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Statements by Editors
BD2412, just a note regarding the ongoing dispute you're involved in. Editors may now leave their statements. Israell (talk) 05:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe I have already said everything that I needed to say there. BD2412  T 19:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Failure XfD
A 24-hour head count is no way to make a decision, especially given that most of the replies were by idiots. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to take the matter to WP:Deletion review. Irrespective of any issues with the article that may be resolved by editing and improvement, I stand by my WP:SNOW close. BD2412  T 19:34, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Louisiana Fairy Tale
I found some recordings and images at the Internet Archive. Adding media to pages is not my specialty, so I have posted the links to the talk page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! BD2412  T 19:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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My message to Supernova58
Can you please take a look at my message to this user here. Do you think the RM closes I pointed out in the message are justified? Why or why not? Interstellarity (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see how either of those could have been closed otherwise. BD2412  T 22:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Radio Mango AfD
Hi, you closed this AfD citing WP:BCAST as the reason. BCAST is neither a guideline nor a policy and does not have the support of the community. NCORP is the appropriate guideline and none of the Keep !voters provided references that meet the criteria for notability. Can you take another look? Thank you, I know its a hassle.  HighKing++ 21:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have looked further into the entity, and I believe that it is well-enough reported. If it is not kept as a separate article, it should probably be merged into its parent company, Malayala Manorama, which may be an alternative worth proposing. BD2412  T 22:44, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

What to do with Meryl Streep?
There's someone else wondering about her inevitable demise and aftermath today, at Talk:Deaths in 2020. You two should probably talk. The news suggests she's currently fine, but it's never too early to hammer out a basic consensus on a famous actress' Best Three Films, y'know? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I'll pass on that one. BD2412  T 03:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * A fine choice! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation
There are up to 8 entries in Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation which might benefit from a swift WP:C1. (I've recently unpopulated 2 of the 10 empty categories, which had zombie-like reappeared.) Narky Blert (talk) 20:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cheers! BD2412  T 20:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

about article
Hi, can you help us ,and Create an article about famous person I mention you, can see the detalis Stay safe,regards Mevlut Bin Omar (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have my hands pretty full. Why don't you create a draft of the article in userspace or draftspace? BD2412  T 03:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,User:BD2412 how are you ? I created the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mevlut_Bin_Omar/sandbox Can you convert it to the article and thank you after reviewing it Regards --Mevlut Bin Omar (talk) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have moved this to Draft:Ali Mahmoud Al Suleiman and tidied it up a bit, but it still needs work. BD2412  T 14:58, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much,User:BD2412 Can you tell me what I need to do in order for the draft to ready for Article? Can you please tell me what the edits to do to make them an article then And I tell you to please convert it to an article

Regards You Are So Kindly Stay safe Mevlut Bin Omar (talk) 16:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Robert H. Boyle
Your thoughts - is it ready for a co-nom GAC?? Atsme Talk 📧 12:20, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Want to hear something crazy? I've been here for 15 years, and made over 1.5 million edits and over 5,000 articles, and I don't believe I have ever yet gone through the GAC process. I'm up for it! BD2412  T 14:26, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're kidding, right? SMirC-chuckle.svg Well, let's give it another once-over and then tomorrow, if you agree, you co-nom us and get your feet wet in GA country. How could anybody have over 1.5 million edits!! Day-em. Atsme Talk 📧 14:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am kidding about no part of it. Let's rock. BD2412  T 14:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hugo T. Wedell has been accepted
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Your submission at Articles for creation: William West Harvey has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 19:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks! BD2412  T 19:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jay S. Parker has been accepted
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Sturgeon
Here's something to think about...Wikipedia staying on the cutting edge as the sum of all knowledge. - the article, Sturgeon - What if I donated the following segment to the project for inclusion in that article? 4:00 - 7:10?? And possibly close it with another clip (54:00 - 56:00) before the credits roll? I've mentioned the use of video in various discussions over the years but never pushed it because some of the trial articles would include my contributions of clips from programs I produced back in the 90s. I don't want the focus to change from the benefits of having video integrated into our articles to potential COI discussions about me, if you know what I mean. Anyway, see how Everipedia is utilizing video in their articles. The difference in our situation is that the videos would be hosted with our article instead of sending readers off-site to YouTube. Atsme Talk 📧 20:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The Bill Murray part? BD2412  T 21:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, leading in from Bob to Bill. It's a 3 min clip from a one-hour program. I'd be giving away (donating) about $7k worth of footage to WP. SMirC-cool.svg Atsme Talk 📧 22:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I would think that the segment after Bill Murray from 7:11 up to about 9:48, discussing the kinds of sturgeon and their characteristics, would be more apt for the article. Bill Murray is a bit flip, and talks about some non-sturgeony things. Did I ever tell you that I made a proposal at Wikimania about five years ago that Wikimedia should get into the business of collaborative documentary filmmaking? It hasn't been followed up on, sadly. BD2412  T 22:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, you didn't. Was it a formal proposal? Atsme Talk 📧 23:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I gave a talk on it. The reception was very mixed, but basically I said that we have people within the community who are able to find or make all the pieces that would go together to make a documentary on just about any natural history topic. All we need is a collaborative video editing platform. BD2412  T 23:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, next chance we get, let's put our heads together and make them an offer they can't refuse...especially considering the technology we have available to us today. At least Alexa reads the lead, which is why we need to be extra careful that our leads closely adhere to BLP policy & NPOV. Atsme Talk 📧 23:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I do like a challenge. Sometimes the only way to prove to the doubters that a thing can be done is to buckle down and actually do it. That, incidentally, is how I came to write the article on Size, because other editors thought that the topic was so abstract that it couldn't be done. I couldn't pass that up. BD2412  T 04:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Ars nova
BD2412, not sure what to do here. I want to split the Template:Ars nova into two seperate templates of "Ars nova" and "ars subtilior" since at the moment it contains both for some reason. At the moment Template:Ars subtilior simply redirects to the Template:Ars nova so... do I nominate the redirect to be deleted (is that even a thing?) and make the template... or put up the split for discussion somewhere? (WP:TDF seems to only be for deletion and merging but I could be wrong) I doubt the split would result in any opposition since Ars nova and Ars subtilior are separate articles and movements. Also, I'm glad to see you're continuing to watch the Isleworth page (and editing it too!), the previous conversation did admittedly get a little hostile, but I'd like to think we all resolved it to some extent... Best - Aza24 (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and split the template out. Let me know what you think. As for the Isleworth, I am still knocking that around the back of my mind. I am not a fan of Wikipedia appearing to take sides in authorship disputes, and prefer the "teach the controversy" approach where we merely point out what arguments and counterarguments are made by who, and let the reader draw their own conclusions from that data. BD2412  T 23:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the split, I tweaked it a little but it looks good. Normally I would be with you on your view of how to present controversial topics, but the fact that this is a Leonardo makes things more tricky. That is to say, in preparation for gradually working on the Leonardo da Vinci article (to eventually reach FA, hopefully...) I've been collecting more sources and they all address many paintings by Leonardo or those attributed to him. The issue with the Isleworth is that not a single one of these sources even addresses (a couple mention it in passing) it's potentiality as an authentic Leonardo. Some of the books are the opinions of scholars and others, like Zollner and Marani attempt to display the art community's current consensuses on individual works. Controversial works like La Bella Principessa and Bacchus that have sometimes been attributed to Leonardo are discussed by these authors, but with far more attention and consideration than the Isleworth. That's the core of the issue, no leading Leonardo scholars even play with the idea that it's authentic (or partly), and the people who do push its authenticity the most are past owners of the painting or an organization that was literally founded to prove its authenticity (they weren't even founded to "investigate" or "consider" the authenticity, it was simply to prove it...). The other issue is that online sources are equally unreliable, I've seen some claim that "most experts are skeptical" and others that "the vast majority of experts agree with a partial attribution" but who are these experts? I just can't fathom how I have books by the world's leading Leonardo experts but none of them even explore the attribution as a possibility, so how can there be even close to a majority that supports the attribution? The shady (alleged) connections between the foundation and owners of the painting is also troubling. I hope I'm not just repeating to you parts of the conversation from the talk page since this message (imo) better explains the issue as a whole. Aza24 (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a fascinating topic, but likely a conversation for another day, as my attention is primarily on other projects at the moment. I certainly think that in such cases, it is worth lining up the the identities of the people who argue one side, and those who argue the other side, and note their asserted qualifications and affiliations. Of course, with scientific disputes (is the Earth flat, do vaccines cause autism), it is also possible to bring in scientific studies and replicability of experiments, which makes these things more clear-cut. I'm glad the template split worked out. Cheers! BD2412  T 05:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

G-Log
BD2412: I just noticed that the page G-Log was deleted last year after a formal nomination process. I believe this company still to be relevant, because it had a notable product as recognised by Gartner. In the Magic Quadrant for Transportation Management System, 13 April 2010, by C. Dwight Klappich (Gartner RAS Core Research Note G00174077), the following was mentioned: “OTM has a mature and stable product development team that Oracle inherited when it acquired G-Log. Oracle has impressively been able to keep this team intact and add to it four years after the acquisition”. If you need more information or evidence to justify re-opening the page, let me know what you’re after. Thanks - Landriesse (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have restored the article to Draft:G-Log, but it will need substantial improvement to meet WP:NCORP. BD2412  T 20:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks I will collect materials with the founders, Landriesse (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Make sure you find sources that meet WP:RS and WP:NCORP. BD2412  T 14:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, we'll do. Would the page Manugistics be an example showing the requested improvements? Landriesse (talk) 23:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, the sourcing for that one is rather awful, and I have therefore nominated the article for deletion. A better model would be something like Abacus Data Systems. BD2412  T 23:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Ali Mahmoud Al Suleiman
Hi, How are you ? They banned me from editing and even in discussion they ignore your words I hope you restore this page Why this injustice that they are doing on me!? Wikipedia is not property of anyone This is a shame for them No Name Any More (talk) 11:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You have abused my trust and violated Wikipedia's terms of service, and I have blocked you for it. BD2412  T 14:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Invite to discuss
I am not sure if you are an expert on geography and / or navboxes. Though as an an respected admin and colleague of some interested projects I welcome more opinions on professional editors here if you don't mind. On a personal note I also thank you for for all the adaptation of superhero work. Finally one on Hugh's Logan I see. Nice! Jhenderson 7 7 7  18:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have commented in the discussion. BD2412  T 04:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion
Why did you delete the Luca film page? EverestMachine 4001 (talk) 03:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/Luca (2021 film). BD2412  T 04:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Wissam Al Mana
Why did you delete the page for Wissam Al Mana? He's one of the wealthiest businessmen in the Middle East who was married to Janet Jackson. Wikipro43245 (talk) 04:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This article was deleted because a company called Wikiprofessionals, Inc. claimed on their website that they created this article for undisclosed payments, in violation of Wikipedia's terms of service. See the investigation at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 160 and the deletion discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive322. If you believe that this deletion was in error, please file a request to have the article refunded to draft at WP:RFU. BD2412  T 14:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Eilean Glas (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Eilean Glas (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is an orphaned redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

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 * ✅. Cheers! BD2412  T 14:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Wissam Al Mana
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wissam Al Mana. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Wikipro43245 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice, I have commented there in favor of refunding to draft, given the circumstances. BD2412  T 17:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tim Smith (DJ)
Please revert your supervote at Articles for deletion/Tim Smith (DJ). No one suggested draftification, and I don't see anyone volunteering to improve it and restore it to mainspace. Draftification is not a backdoor route to deletion, especially when there is a consensus to keep the article. – bradv  🍁  02:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There are no secondary sources in the article, and no immediate indication that secondary sources are available. The subject, as such, does not meet the GNG no matter how many "keep" votes there are. Thus, the only plausible outcome other than deletion, for which there is, as you point out, an absence of consensus, is to move the article to draft space until such time as sources develop or are located. Of course, I could go through the motions of closing the discussion as delete and then self-refunding to draft, or closing it as keep and then speedying it to draft, but that would merely be an exercise in bureaucracy. BD2412  T 02:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So your reasoning for ignoring consensus is that you could just go through the motions and then ignore consensus anyway? – bradv  🍁  02:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I'm being less than charitable. But this is not the job of the closer – if this is how you felt about the article you would have been better off as a participant in the discussion rather than a closer. I'll take it to DRV to get more input. – bradv  🍁  02:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Closing discussions is not an exercise in counting heads, but in weighing policy-based arguments, of which none were valid here. Yes, editors nakedly invoked the GNG, and stated that references in the article sufficed, but this is objectively untrue since there are clearly no secondary sources in the article. BD2412  T 02:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tim Smith (DJ)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Tim Smith (DJ). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. – bradv  🍁  02:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have commented there. BD2412  T 17:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Bruce Wayne (1989 film series character)
You might want this in your watchlist. Some editors feel it belongs, others don't. A possible discussion might arise in it. Anyways I reverted to it back as an article because I think it has potential. Jhenderson 7 7 7  11:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Watching it. BD2412  T 17:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Eisenhower family tree
Hello, BD2412,

I was looking at Susan Eisenhower's bio because there was a question about her children. According to the sources, she does have three daughters but only one is listed in the family tree. Two additional names were added to the infobox of a previous revision of the page but I can not verify them. I'm not sure how to edit a family tree...is there a way to include 2 additional children without being able to confirm their names or dates of birth? Liz Read! Talk! 18:30, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about the template formatting to answer that question. However, the listing need not be exhaustive, and this is not urgent to deal with. BD2412  T 18:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

New Category
Hey BD, thanks for creating Category:Content moved from mainspace to draftspace; I added the polluted category template to the category, but I am not sure if that will be enough to prevent User:DannyS712 bot from commenting out the cat per WP:DRAFTNOCAT. You may want instead to create a template, say drafts moved from mainspace, and have the template implement the new category, rather than adding the new category directly. Let me know what you decide. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have asked User:DannyS712 to make the adjustment. I'm not seeing the bot taking them out now. BD2412  T 20:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Drafts moved from mainspace
out of curiosity, why was this created? Starzoner (talk) 02:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See the above section. There's a bot that goes around removing categories from drafts, and until that bot can be taught to ignore the new category for drafts moved from mainspace, a workaround is needed to keep it on the page. BD2412  T 03:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

"Category:Heroes (TV series)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Category:Heroes (TV series). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 15 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Gonnym (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

William A. Smith (Kansas judge)
Hey, just an FYI for your lists/tracking William A. Smith (Kansas judge) now in main-space. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, we are moving them at a good pace now. I'd like to knock out those last two Florida justices, actually. BD2412  T 18:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've bookmarked them... I'll try and progress them. KylieTastic (talk) 20:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. I'll have another look at them too. BD2412  T 21:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/1989–90 Newport A.F.C. season
I'm not sure I understand your closure statement here. Why mention NSEASONS at all - it's clearly not met. And of course, if it fails NSEASONS and passes GNG, it must be kept. Also, I don't know why you mention "locally reported", as I added national references. How is the Guardian article local? It's an in-depth, detailed, independent, secondary source. As is the FourFourTwo one. Nfitz (talk) 01:25, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is nonetheless a consensus that this is not an independently notable subject. It is quite adequately addressed in the article to which this title now redirects. If you would like to expand that section, I'll be glad to restore the deleted content to your userspace. BD2412  T 01:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've got too many projects on the go now ... someone can just get it out of the edit history. Wait ... why delete the edit history? And why do you talk about locally reported, when that was absolutely not the case? Nfitz (talk) 01:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "Locally" is relative. I see nothing of substance about this topic outside the UK. BD2412  T 01:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Outside the UK? I'm flabbergasted ... some of the sources are from a different nation! And the Guardian is a national paper! Apparently to post here, I have to agree to sort out things here ... but how do I not go to DRV on this? FourFourTwo is on newstands across the planet! Nfitz (talk) 02:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * FourFourTwo is published in the UK. If you'd like, I can modify the close and remove "locally reported", but that won't affect the consensus for deletion. BD2412  T 02:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That aside, it's still a bizarre definition of local. You'd say a New York Times article about an event in Boston because is local? Nfitz (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Very well, I will strike the comment. BD2412  T 03:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But that takes away my aghast ammo at RFD. I'm still surprised by the comment about it being sparsely sourced ... particularly given the final AFD exchange, when I said I'd tried to avoid WP:REFBOMBING it with sources from national papers ... and the recommendation that I do so ... which I had no time to do before the AFD was closed. Quite frankly, I thought there was clear GNG, and I would have added more sources if I thought there were questions ... and I've had problems editing lately with an overly broad bizarre IP block, that made it difficult to edit in a timely fashion. Nfitz (talk) 03:53, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The discussion was open for approximately 20 days. My offer to restore the deleted content to your userspace stands. Sleep on it, if you'd like. BD2412  T 03:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Why have you deleted the edit history? Nfitz (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There was a consensus for deletion in the discussion, and that is how it is generally carried out. I have twice offered to restore the content (which would include restoring the edit history) to your userspace. BD2412  T 19:16, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for refund
Hi I'd like to request a refund to my userspace for the recently deleted article Articles for deletion/Comparison of Internet Relay Chat daemons per your offer. Thanks.  // Timothy ::  talk  22:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. It is now at User:TimothyBlue/Comparison of Internet Relay Chat daemons. BD2412  T 22:24, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 *  // Timothy ::  talk  06:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Iselworth Mona Lisa
Just wanted to say I wasn't trying to edit war. My only issue was that guidelines on BRD and consensus were not being followed. I am more of a process person than a POV-pusher. I really don't care what is ultimately decided for the page as long as it is NPOV. My only issue was the process not being followed which gets my blood boiling at times. So.......sorry about that. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries, I am familiar with your proclivities for sticking to the process and contesting POV editing (even where the other party doesn't realize that their views constitute a POV). This is a very interesting topic. Looking deeper into the field generally, there are actually very similar disputes with respect to many, if not most, paintings attributed to Leonardo–theSalvator Mundi, La Bella Principessa, La Scapigliata, and the Madonna Litta all have similar sets of experts advocating for one side or the other, and they all come laden with accusations of shady motives and biased assessments. There are even plenty of theories that the Mona Lisa in the Louvre is not really by Leonardo. Of course, many of the same experts are involved in evaluating all of these, and their opinions are rather scattershot when it comes to agreeing on any contested point. BD2412  T 17:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

"Gas masks in conflict" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Gas masks in conflict. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 17 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll have a look. BD2412  T 18:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 19:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks. BD2412  T 19:39, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately failed to find any significant opinions which is always desirable (more in the papers about his holidays) but good enough - leaving just one.... Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, I already moved that last one to mainspace, although it is still stubby. BD2412  T 19:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Closure of Novel bunyavirus
Hi, I think you misread the consensus and would encourage you to relist rather than close as the quality of the keep votes is poor, the sources were shown to be insufficient for verification and this has not been adequately rebutted, the sources were largely clones of Global Times story which is considered to be unreliable as a source for factual claims and none of the sources are reliable for medical purposes, this leaves the article with no legitimate sources for any claims. The keep !votes do not adequately explain why MEDRS should be suspended. Wikipedia's coronavirus article followed the World Health Organisation's article and would be the norm for an outbreak, the keep votes do not demonstrate the sources are reliable. And indeed another user has now realised most were actually just clone stories. PainProf (talk) 00:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * An outbreak of disease is a social event as much as it is a medical one. Thus, we can have an article on a reported event even if the reporting of the root cause turns out to be erroneous. This happens to be within my bailiwick—it has never been suggested to me, at least, that MEDRS-compliant sources were required for the articles I have written on the 1916 New York City polio epidemic, 1990–1991 Philadelphia measles outbreak, 2018 United States adenovirus outbreak, 2019 United States hepatitis A outbreak‎, or 2019–2020 dengue fever epidemic‎. BD2412  T 01:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I would dispute that an outbreak exists in this case. The original NEJM paper which is not clear about whether its the same disease describes a tick virus with an annual incidence, to call it an outbreak is standard tabloid bait, in each of those cases undeniable MEDRS sources do exist as the outbreaks were confirmed by the Centres for disease control, here we have no corresponding notification by the Chinese CDC, its most likely to be routine tick related illness. Instead it is entirely based on the Global times article, an outlet renowned for virus conspiracy theories and inaccurate reporting. PainProf (talk) 01:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If the issue is that the existence of an outbreak is disputed, that doesn't undo the fact that an outbreak was reported, and the report was disseminated to some degree. The solution, which seems to already be suggested in the AfD, is to fix the content of the article, and possibly rename it to something like Alleged 2020 SFTS virus outbreak. BD2412  T 01:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Its unclear what content could be included, I don't consider any of those sources independent from the Global Times, the articles are identical. Its just churnalism so a misrepresentation of multiple sources when only one exists. This isn't something that can be fixed, and this makes it seem as if there is still not a consensus, but I'd encourage you to vote if you decide to relist as it does seem you had an opinion influencing the closing. PainProf (talk) 01:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear, the close reflects the consensus, and will not be relisted. There are a number of ways that the alleged deficiencies can be addressed. You could, for example, propose to merge this content somewhere relevant where it would be better presented in context. You accusation of bias on my part is incorrect, but noted. BD2412  T 01:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not bias, I wouldn't like that characterisation, this is more based on your "This happens to be within my bailiwick—it has never been suggested to me" which could suggest you held a pre-conceived idea. Alas, there is nowhere to merge to, I'm not convinced of any part of the reporting given, they can't agree on the virus name, they misname the virus multiple times, and no reliable source allows us to claim its SFTS virus (in which case I would merge there). In contrast to the other cases, reliable sources such as the CDC were available to describe molecular testing and determination of the virus. We'll agree to differ on this matter though. I suspect another nomination in two months might be more successful. PainProf (talk) 01:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That may be the best course of action. BD2412  T 01:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

"Matrix (name) (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Matrix (name) (disambiguation). The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 18 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have commented in support of deletion. It's a relic from a less enlightened time. BD2412  T 16:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

BD2412bot
I'm not sure if this is considered malfunctioning, but I noticed your bot seems to be doing tasks that give itself more work to do. See Draft:Exist for Love (I might have moved or deleted it by the time you read this): BD2412bot added the "drafts moved from mainspace" category to the page, then a few hours later replaced that category with a template to do the same thing, then a day later dated the template. That could all be done in one edit, couldn't it? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It was a novel situation. I created the new category for sorting purposes, and added it. Afterwards I found that there is another bot that goes around removing categories from drafts, so I changed the category to a template importing the category to avoid this removal. Another editor then helpfully added a parameter to subdivide the new category by month, so I added the new parameter to the now-existing templates. BD2412  T 15:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Content moved to draftspace
Two issues: (i) it looks like you're using a bot account unapproved for this task? (ii) the page was actually draftified in July, not in August.

I think we can do this systematically. The page history of User:JJMC89 bot/report/Draftifications/monthly can be parsed to add the template with the correct dates. SD0001 (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Since the categorization scheme has just been established, the important thing is to get everything into a category at all. Perhaps it would be more accurate if the August 2020 category said "by August 2020" rather than "in August 2020", but the point is to establish a baseline at all. The important thing is that months for future moves will be correct going forward. If someone else wants to parse the August list to capture earlier draftifications, I certainly won't object to that. As for the bot, I could accomplish exactly the same thing with AWB manually, but that would lead to a rather gratuitous edit count. BD2412  T 17:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think there's still value in getting the dates right, as it helps people to identify which of these drafts are about to become G13-eligible, and to organize review. To that end i've filed a BRFA at Bots/Requests_for_approval/SDZeroBot_5. Cheers, SD0001 (talk) 11:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hazon afd
Hi I saw that you !voted delete for the above article. I have since then improved the article and added a considerable number of sources but I'm not 100% sure it passes now. I wondered if you could have a look and tell me if the changes are sufficient to meet the notability guidelines. Cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ BD2412  T 18:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Mysterious paid-editing tip
I do hope that this can get a follow-up at COIN. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Right now I am in the mode of preserving evidence so that the suspects can't later cover their tracks. I'll email you. BD2412  T 21:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Sent, so we're on the same page. BD2412  T 21:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about old debate
I wanted to ask you what the current status is surrounding articles using the term European-American versus white or caucasian. I've noticed the use of this unusual term occurring in more and more articles and other places. See latest search results that show over 4,000 hits.

The reason I'm asking you is because I saw your Talk:Supreme Court of the United States/Archive 6. Mitchumch (talk) 03:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe the issues raised in that discussion remain valid. The U.S. Census continues to use "White" and does not use "European American" (by contrast it uses "Black or African American"); "White" and "Caucasian" remain the terms predominately used in scholarship on race in America. This is probably an issue to take up at a broader forum, perhaps with the WP:MOS. BD2412  T 03:04, 23 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I attempted to initiate a conversation surrounding this issue in section "European American vs. whites, white people, white Americans, or Caucasians" on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style, but nothing. Any suggestions? Mitchumch (talk) 04:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've pushed it out there a bit. BD2412  T 05:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Frank Doster has been accepted
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 * Perfect. BD2412  T 17:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Admin intervention
I notice Superman (Salkind films) is getting an edit war and I think an admin needs to intervene with the conflict. Jhenderson 7 7 7  21:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking. BD2412  T 21:55, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Which is better
To send the sandbox article to review for approval, or can you simply move it into namespace? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 03:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'd say it's 100% ready for namespace, but it probably wouldn't get deleted once there, so I'll go ahead and move it. I can peck at it a bit more in a few days. BD2412  T 03:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I got sidetracked with another article I created and a lead-fix request but hope to add more content tomorrow. Thank you for your amazing help!! It's always a pleasure - <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 03:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is indeed! BD2412  T 04:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of St. Joseph Academy (Adrian, Michigan) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article St. Joseph Academy (Adrian, Michigan) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/St. Joseph Academy (Adrian, Michigan) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  07:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have responded there. BD2412  T 18:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry I posted this on the wrong page. I thought I was here and didn't know I had published. (too many tabs :) <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;">  // Timothy ::  talk  18:37, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not seeing anything that appears to be errantly posted. BD2412  T 18:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question
hi, I know you have a bot so I was wondering if you could use your bot to do so. Basically, I have several thousand pages in my subpages that are dedicated to plants. I was wondering it can be used to change  to   and add a talk page with WikiProject Plants on them. The second part is whatever but the first is requested. Its mostly to avoid flooding recent changes and polluting categories. Thanks. Starzoner (talk) 12:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a list of these? BD2412  T 12:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm doing a trial run for seating out the categories. I don't know if I can create the talk pages, but I'll give that one a try later. BD2412  T 21:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi sorry for the late reply. Basically, if you look at List of the largest genera of flowering plants, and see the individual genera, there will be lists of those plants in red links. For example, I have a ton of Allium page drafts in my userspace, such as User:Starzoner/Allium asarense. Like, if you search in AWB’s prefix index search, yu would be able to find them. I am hoping these pages can have their corresponding talk pages created in bulk. I know its a lot of work to do and a lot to take care of, and lot to do, so feel free to completely ignore and say “no”.

Starzoner (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe I was able to do the category seating-out task without great difficulty. I should be able to create the talk pages as well. BD2412  T 18:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I believe the task is now done. Please check my work. Cheers! BD2412  T 14:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * wow, you are an MVP. :D. One more question thought, according to User talk:Starzoner, someone said the talk page should be . Is that a possibility? Starzoner (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose. Give me another day to set it up. BD2412  T 20:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I believe that task is also now done. Cheers! BD2412  T 16:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Kudos
I know Ignore All Rules approaches aren't necessarily great when it comes to admin actions, but credit for basically realizing this move discussion was going to rot on the backlog for a decade without some sort of executive decision.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm glad responses haven't gone the other way. BD2412  T 21:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I feel like your close being the opposite from your !vote has you covered there, but I should know by now to never underestimate the human capability to get angry about things...--Yaksar (let's chat) 22:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Thanks, it was my pleasure! BD2412  T 21:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Comparison
Ok, I think this version (but use tables instead of raw lists at the bottom) makes a much better article for the pedia than Timothy Drury. What do you think? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 21:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking, everything needs to be cited. Conceptually it would be an improvement. BD2412  T 21:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It all begins at conception. The birth certificate comes later. SMirC-chuckle.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 21:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you going to nominate Eric Barry Wilfred Chappelow for GA? Suggestion before you do - shorten the article name to Eric Chappelow instead of that name being the redirect - or you could use Eric Chappelow (poet). As it is now, it's too long a name for Alexa or Siri to find.  Oh, and check your email. SMirC-wink.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme  Talk 📧 22:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I was going to sit on it for a few days before going forward with any process, but there is certainly reason enough to rename it. Plenty of sources use "Eric Chappelow". There is no need for a disambiguator, as there do not appear to be any other notable person by this name. I'll move it now. BD2412  T 22:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Bot edits
While looking at some pending BRFAs, I came across, and noticed that your bot's been making quite a few edits that aren't within the purview of the BRFA it was approved for running. Please cease running these tasks until you have an accepted BRFA for them. Primefac (talk) 23:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have asked, but I may well finish the task manually if the bot deliberation process is slow. BD2412  T 23:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You haven't transcluded a new BRFA. Primefac (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I decided to finish the task manually. BD2412  T 15:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay. Primefac (talk) 21:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

"Arts nova"
Gosh I feel so stupid. Was making an ars nova composers category and accidentally made it Category:Arts nova composers instead of "Ars nova composers" – could you please correct the spelling? Thanks... Aza24 (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅, though any editor can rename a category, I believe. BD2412  T 15:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m fairly certain I couldn’t, although looking closer it looks like I could have just put it up for speedy renaming. In any case, thanks for the help - Aza24 (talk) 16:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether category removes require a special permission - perhaps they do. BD2412  T 16:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Page mover rights are required to move categories. See Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 18. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 18:13, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Bare notability
Hi, please check this page for bare notability. HitomiAkane (talk) 02:41, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the article for deletion. BD2412  T 02:56, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: William D. Jochems has been accepted
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 * Prefect, thanks! BD2412  T 22:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)