User:Bakasuprman/Archive4

Archive numero quatro

Mimamsa Sutra
sorry man, i cant help you here. I didnt even edited mimamsa. i have just a brief knowledge of that school and wiki already has a better article than my knowledge.--nids(&#9794;) 16:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

West Bengal
Thought it could be made into a Featured Article. See other featured articles on Indian states (Kerala, Goa, Sikkim). And also see recent changes made to West Bengal. It is not a difficult job, with great guidelines in WikiProject Indian states. I upgraded History, Government and Politics, Demographics lately. Will take time though. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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Swami Ramdev
Thanks for your feedback and tips (they were definitely helpful) ! I thnk the copyright issue seems settled. Wikipost 20:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC);

Rubbish in Dalit Voice and V.T. Rajshekar

 * Hi. Could you monitor these articles (I am too). I think they contain a lot of nonsense. I have tried to fix them up with NPOV and some references of the anti-Hindu orgs but, in case they are reverted by the editors...

Hkelkar 02:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What is Awaaz Qaeda

 * Awaaz-qaida is a better source than the Pioneer?TerryJ-Ho 21:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Its called a pun-Bakaman Bakatalk 21:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Mughalstan
You have created an empty article Mughalstan, although there is already an article call Mughalistan. I will redirect your article to that page. Thank you -- Mar de Sin  Speak up!  22:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. But I have another concern that the first link on the page does seem to exist.  Mar de Sin   Speak up!  22:24, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I search the link on google, and it came with a cache which supports the statement- so I guess the link's fine. Mar de Sin   Speak up!  22:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

IP Address : 58.68.75.66
Lol, that was me when the browser cookies were knocked out :D Leafy 16:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Temple of King Kangsa Narayan
Do you have more information about the temple? Unfortunately, Banglapedia doesn't list any ... I was wondering if you had any more info. I'll write to people from the region that I know if they have pictures of the temple.

You might also look into Dhakeshwari Temple and Kantaji Temple articles. I've managed to get free-licensed pictures of the first, but not of the 2nd. Also, both articles could do some expansion / enhancement as well. Since you are interested in this area, please go ahead. --Ragib 16:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I found some great photos of the temple (also called Kantanagar temple) at Flickr, but the photos are copyrighted. I've mailed the photographer for permission under Creative commons or other usable licenses. Please look up other freely usable sources too. Thanks. --Ragib 04:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

To-do list
Kantaji Temple - Satyanarayana Pooja - Kahneeta - Make NBA stats infobox - Chanakya - Jayavarman VIII

Rider
What I wanted to bring to the notice of discussants that before RigVeda was put in text, it had a long oral tradition. Quite mundane. Aupmanyav 17:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Dalitstan
Calling an organization "Anti-Hindu" on the first sentence only would work if the organization claims itself anti-Hindu. Dalitstan is more pro-Dalit than anything else, and saying its anti-Hindu right on the first sentence is something you need direct proof for. Until you give citations for it, I'm reverting. Mar de Sin  Speak up!  21:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I'm gonna edit it to say that is is associated with anti-Hindu organizations, and put the main tag as anti-Brahmin, which I think you would agree is more appropriate. Mar de Sin  Speak up!  21:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * See if my edits are OK. Mar de Sin   Speak up!  21:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If possible, give links to the blocked pages evidence, since citation will prove the point better. Mar de Sin   Speak up!  21:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

User:TerryJ-Ho & possible defamation

 * I believe user terryJ-Ho may have engaged in defamation of RSS without unrefuted evidence.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh&diff=72466320&oldid=72094707

I warned him for what I believed was defamation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATerryJ-Ho&diff=72388411&oldid=72368862

He deleted the request. Then he further engaged in defamatory attacks here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh&diff=72466320&oldid=72368617

While whether this is defamation or not is questionable, can we at least follow procedure to let an admin discuss the matter? I am rather new to wikipedia so don;t know what to do. You seem like a veteran user. Can you plz advise in my talk page? Thank you very much.Hkelkar 21:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Please can you take this case further TerryJ-Ho 18:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Sock accusations
Thank you for letting me know.

For what it's worth, the reason I suspected that RSudarshan was a sockpuppet of Subhash bose is that his third edit ever is a message on my Talk Page identical in wording to a message that Subhash bose left on the Talk Pages of two other editors. That particular mystery remains unsolved.

But unlike them, you've been reasonable, so I figured I'd give you an explanation.

However, let Subhash bose know that if he continues to casually throw around inflammatory accusations like "White Nationalist," "Fundamentalist Muslim," "Marxist," or "racist"—especially when the only provocation is being asked to produce a source—then my characterization of HIM will be proven and MY actions will be justified. CiteCop 02:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If someone is cool with me, like you've been, I'll be cool with him. End of story.


 * But your little pal Neta? If he didn't get blocked for sockpuppetry—even if it didn't turn out to be true and at the time I sincerely believed it was—then he was going to get nailed for incivility or something else. If this is how he's always behaved, then I'm sure he has a list of infractions a mile long, any one of which he could have been blocked for.


 * btw, re: Chanakya? That Thomas Trautmann book? I highly recommend it. He goes through all of the primary sources for the Chanakya legend and makes the differences between them pretty clear.
 * CiteCop 19:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Leh
Bak,I was not in 'anyway' trying to protect leh from "missionaries' ; the only point of contention was about the inclusion of number of families of a single community.Btw, Mr.tan edited it out himself, and now for the time being it looks ok. Bharatveer 04:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the Christian missionary paragraph? I can't really why the number of christian families is POV, just because the number of families of Buddhists and Muslims and not being included. I can't read anywhere NPOV that this is against the rule. Could you analyse why, if possible? Thanks. Mr Tan 12:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You might want to see Bharatveer's talk page on the source you are asking for; I have posted the same answers on this discussion. To sum up, my source is obtained from the lonely planet travel guide I have cited in the further reading section. Do you think I should include the number of Christian families in Leh, which Bharatreever opposes? As I have asked, I can't determine where I have violated NPOV's policy just because the number of families of Buddhists and Muslims and not being included. Do you have any suggestions, if otherwise? Thanks. Mr Tan 16:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

May need help

 * Hi.I may need some help fending off Holywarriror in the Kancha Ilaiah article as he seems to have gone on a rampage, questioning sources etc with no merit. I believe he may start another reverting spree.Hkelkar 11:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The suggestion given above is against wikipedia policy and both of you would be liable for 3RR TOGETHER. HW 11:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Liability"? Is that not a legal threat??? Is that not against wikipedia rules?Hkelkar 12:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * see WP:Spam and Gaming the system.Thanks. HW 12:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Chanakya
Trautmann isn't one of those 19th century scholars who shoehorn everything into a biblical timeline.

In fact, he's still alive and the book I'm referring to was published in 1971.

In any case, there are so many different versions of the Chanakya story that it would be disingenuous to present only one and not acknowledge the others. CiteCop 19:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Mandir
I've given it a touch-up. I've also provided the new usage alongside. Check the Vadakkunnathan Temple article for a preview. Feel free to change the colour. I just chose one at random. Cheers!-- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph 06:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the orange color, showing up in Hinduism templates can be used? --Ragib 06:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I changed it to orange. -- thunderboltza.k.a.D e epu Joseph 06:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Remarks
Thanks. Hornplease 07:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not leave warning templates on people's talkpages accusing them of vandalism when they have clearly justified their edits. That is not an appropriate way to disagree with content.
 * Please tone down your level of aggression, it is clearly excessive.

Kantaji temple
I looked at the quoted/commented out text, but it is always better to write it in your own words (I'm sure you can do that). The temple is simply awesome (have you looked at the flickr link?). I mean, Dhakeshwari may be the nationally known temple, but Kantanagar temple beats any other in bd in terms of beauty. So, please do a google search, and perhaps add some more info from sources other than banglapedia. I'm now expanding the corresponding article in Bangla wikipedia, and am looking for a free-licensed photo. Thanks --Ragib 17:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

dab
Yes, I have had prior discussions with dab. It is unnecessary to mention the nationality, culture or religion of editors when discussing edits. To gratuitously mention such attributes of editors in the course of criticizing edits has all the appearances of being an insult to those of the mentioned nationality, culture or religion -- it has the appearance of an insinuation that faults an editor may have are somehow related to that editor's nationality, culture or religion. Whether an insult was intended or not, civility dictates avoiding mentioning such attributes. At least that is my opinion... --BostonMA 21:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sakta Pithas and other places
Hey, I thought you'd be interested in writing about the Sakta Pithas of Bengal, and Bangladesh. More information can be found here. I don't know much about the Shakta religious rituals and pithas, so perhaps you can add more, or ask others in WP Hinduism to help out there.

Also, there is a place called Langalbandh in Bangladesh which attracts the largest snaan's of Hindu devotees in Bangladesh. More info on that here. Perhaps an article is due ... I've started it, but you can help in expanding it with info from other sources.

Sitakunda (in Chittagong) is another place. I don't know much about the mythology, but it seems like the naming has something to do with Sita. Of course, that'd be interesting, because Chittagong has a large Hindu population, but also a very large Buddhist population, and was one of the last bastions of Buddhism in the Subcontinent until the resurgence of the last century.

Hinduism in Bangladesh definitely has a long history. Too bad most people are ignoring that, and focusing on writing only about the recent negative events. So, if you have time, please help out forming these articles.

Thanks. --Ragib 17:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added a link to a conference paper, you'd find a lot of info inside it. Besides, this is the most credible reference added to the article so far ... academic papers hold more weight than websites. --Ragib 18:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, it turns out that there is already an article called Shakti Peethas, which has more information, but not the references. You can redir this one to Shakti Peethas, and copy the references there. Thanks. --Ragib 18:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Muang Tum (and boxen)
Hi, I'll try to get around to doing something on Muang Tum soon. I'm afraid I'm not a fan of the box- it's a bit ugly, and most of the Khmer temples have rather complex histories involving both Hinduism and Buddhism, which don't really fit into simple box categories. HenryFlower 19:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Several issues.  Temples such as the Bayon were remodelled several times over a long period, so to state one 'creator' or date is misleading.   'Primary deities' changed with each change of use, often several times (and in any case, Buddha is not a deity).   And the orange colour associates the boxen with the other Hinduism boxen, which is hardly appropriate for the substantially Buddhist temples (and it's ugly). HenryFlower 19:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1. I don't see the relevance, but since the sites had been inhabited for centuries before these temples were built, it seems unlikely. 2. A 'first completion' is hardly a completion, and is certainly not a completion of what one sees today. 3. Yes, but a deity and an idol are not the same thing. AFAIK Buddhists don't regard Buddha images as idols or deities anyway. 4. It was constructed as a Hindu temple, but has spent most of its existence as a Buddhist temple. (Mount Meru, incidentally, also occupies a rather significant place in Buddhist mythology).  Trying to categorise it as Hindu or Buddhist is a gross oversimplification.  5. It is. HenryFlower 19:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello…
…who are you? JFD 01:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Is "collaborate with Bharatveer" a nice way of saying "meatpuppet gang-up edit war"? JFD 04:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Good lord, there's messages on this page from just about every Indian nationalist on Wikipedia! Do you guys coordinate or something? That explains SO much! JFD 04:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and your information on Angkor monuments is really, REALLY off, by the way, but it looks like Henry Flower's already pointing that out to you. JFD 04:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks For the kind words, I know he did vandalize a lot of pages regarding Indian history. I'll see to it that he does'nt do the same in Indian martial arts. Freedom skies 01:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

moved from user page
dude - leave my discussion page alone... it is getting longer and logner... and further,,, why don't you tell freedom skies to quit blanking his page... but i will leave my page alone as i did not know of this supposed blanking policy Kennethtennyson 02:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

have you any idea what you are undoing?? unless you are an administrator - you don't seem to understand that the indian nationlism page is compiling a book based around the dispute that the whole section around history and beliefs is false... so quit undoing my disputed tags...Kennethtennyson 02:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Further... you have been blocked multiple times before and you will be further if you continue to mess with my discussion page. Kennethtennyson 02:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

please leave the dispute tag at the head of the article... that is the convention for most tags.. leaving it in the middle of the article merely hides the existence of the tag... so leave it alone please... and yes, if i can tell from your archives you've been warned multiple times by administrators....Kennethtennyson 02:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev
Hello and Thanks for your assistance.

Regarding this article - I posted my reasons for justification as to why there is no copyright violation. I also wrote this to Sfacets on his page. I have still not received any reply showing me why this reasoning is invalid. I think you have a situation here where Sfacets has unilaterally decided that there is a copyright violation.

Consequently, I believe a rewrite is not justified for two reasons:

just rewording an article does not remedy the problem zap an article and cause a whole lot of work for somebody else
 * In the legal sense, if indeed there is a copyright violation (one which as I state before has not been proven)
 * An individual's "feeling" that there may be a copyright violation should not suffice as reason enough to

A civil and just procedure would suggest that:


 * Sfacets provide his objective justification negating the validating items that I mention or
 * If he strongly feels a rewrite is necessary - he should commit the effort to pen this rewrite himself

Else, this forum becomes much more a dictatorship than a democratic forum that it is meant to be.

Once again, thanks for your assistance and look forward to hearing your thoughts

Wikipost

PLEASE NOTE:

My comments do not relate to the Early life section, as I did not write this. I refer to the content in the "Swami" section

STuff
I'll definitely take a look. It seems that the Netscott issue has blown up again at WP:ANI and also people asking me to have a look at it - for the last hour. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Fairness
Kennethtennyson: why don't you tell freedom skies to quit blanking his page

Bakaman: ''If he did blank it, I will warn him as well. I'm not unfair.''

Freedom skies did blank his talk page, again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

So…are you fair? JFD 04:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you're so fair, will you please explain to Freedom skies that attributing the decline of Indian martial arts to the British Raj without citation amounts to original research?

And if you're so fair, please explain to Freedom skies that when I have a book published by a university press by a professor that has written four books on Indian physical culture and the professor says that "mallayuddha" is a merely a synonym for "pehlwani" and "Bharatiya kushti" and Freedom skies says that it's a distinct and ancient martial art that my book by a university professor published by a university press is a better source than those piddling websites he's so fond of citing.

If you're as fair as you claim, that is.

If you're not, then never mind. JFD 04:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Muang Tum redux
Hi, I've added a bit more to the article, although I'm now approaching the end of my (or my guidebook's) knowledge. Thanks for pointing it out to me. HenryFlower 09:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Taxila
UNESCO calls Taxila a "Buddhist centre of learning" and I was citing UNESCO. Take it up with them. CiteCop 17:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I was merely cutting and pasting the message I left on Talk:Indian nationalism and User talk:Subhash bose.
 * I apologize if I have offended you, who have been nothing but respectful in our dealings.


 * Yours sincerely,
 * CiteCop 17:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The material in that bullet on Taxila you just re-inserted into Indian nationalism is already covered by another bullet that uses the name "Takshashila". Even Subhash bose agrees.
 * CiteCop 18:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No one told me
That I was'nt not supposed to blank talk pages, someone asked me that before but I thought the talk pages were like personalized mailboxes on wikipedia and genuinely wanted to keep "my mailbox" clean.

I did'nt even know it was'nt right till a couple of days ago, then I saw crazy kennethtennyson mentioning me and that I blanked my page and that's when I realized talk pages were supposed to be left alone. I will leave them alone now. Freedom skies 17:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I will. Very Soon. Freedom skies 17:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL
I'm sorry. You've warned Freedom skies about blanking his page and have thus demonstrated your fairness on that issue. However, I feel obliged to point out that Rama's Arrow already warned Freedom skies against blanking his page in early July and, to be frank, Freedom skies could use a word about civility as well.

Perhaps he'll be more receptive to someone he regards as a friend and ally. "Not assigning motives to users" is an issue that you might particularly discuss with him.

I was not accusing Rama's Arrow of being a sockpuppet of Freedom skies, nor you of being a sockpuppet of Subhash bose. I was pointing out how Rama's Arrow felt that, whatever else they had in common, Freedom skies needed to be reined in, much as you felt that Subhash bose needed to be reined in, despite whatever else you may agree on. JFD 18:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you Bakasuprman for informing me, and for JFD for clarifying himself. The level of tension here is most disappointing, but I hope now that JFD has clarified his statement, you guys can resolve this properly. Just calm down guys, your dispute will not bring the end of the world. WP:CIVIL at all times! Rama's arrow  18:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Civility
Hi - forgive the lengthy reply but verbosity is a disease that I am condemned to suffer.

Your improvement over civility is very good and encouraging, but the disputes are long-standing and intricate. Your comments are still tense. Its ok to feel outrage, but its not good to bottle it up. I can talk to you man-to-man about civility, but I just recently blew up at user:Rlevse, so its not like I can judge you or be a role model. I was bottling stuff up, so when he came along I couldn't keep it in even though I knew it was wrong. Although we universally stand against POV and incivility here, I know its pretty hard to control oneself.

You should study the way Blnguyen and Akash operate - these are the most civil people I know. They do a lot of work here, and are able to keep their emotions under full control despite many provocations. A good idea I can recommend for you is to take 2 weeks off, completely. I know its hard to not think about stuff happening on Wikipedia, but you can divert such temptations into something you love to do. Simply sit back and analyse what NPOV really means, not just here but in the real world. I did the same thing in October-November 2005, in order to find the correct way to end a very messy dispute I was in with Gurubrahma. I did a lot of wrong stuff a year ago, and it was pretty hard to turn myself around but I did.

NPOV has many important implications in the real world, and working according to Wikpedia's goals can change the way you look at the world. It was very difficult, but I did succeed in changing my behavior and enjoy my work here. I know you feel a slight sense of loyalty to Subhash bose (which is ok, nothing wrong in that), which should help you help him. But you should relax generally, and the quagmire you're in is very thick. Take a short wikibreak. Then come back and work under the flag of WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPOV. Hope this helps, Rama's arrow  19:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well its possible that Hindu politicians was voted to be deleted before Muslim politicians was voted to keep. Nichalp re-deleted the cat in August to uphold the previous decision. But if Muslim politicians exists, then obviously Hindu politicians is justified. I know it appears unreasonable, but Nichalp is a very good admin. Another point to take care of - you shouldn't have made such a comment, becoz it appears as if you are questioning his integrity becoz he's an Indian Christian. Please be careful, Rama's arrow  19:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yes I know you didn't mean to insinuate anything. But this is the kinda thing that causes misunderstandings. Rama's arrow  19:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)