User:Bakasuprman/Archive6

Stubs
No, but there's a Caribbean-bio-stub Guettarda 04:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannada vs Hindi
No dear,I dont hate Binguyen.I have not taken it personally.But ideally shouldnt all of those who behave in uncivil manner are to be blocked?Why ONLY me! Anyways,do u have any information about Rashtrakuta?Sarvagnya and his Kannadi vandalisers are creating havoc by kannadisation of each and every article possible.mahawiki 03:17, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah,U know what, i dont have any personal grudges against him.But he's surely gave in to those Kannadi vandalisers and he surely thinks I am a mindless roudy vandaliser!I feel very bad when he is being partial.mahawiki 04:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks for fixing the WP Bangladesh template, and adding it to several places. I also noticed that you've added your name to WP Bd... welcome there. Perhaps you might do some googling and work on some temples of BD? We have only 4-5 temple articles now ... but there should be more to represent the others.

To get you started with something related to Bengal and Bengali renaissance, how about Kaliprasanna Singha? He is credited with one of the first Bengali prose "Hutom Penchar Noksha" (Recollections of an owl?). That's sort of a collection of essays on contemporary events in the 1850s Calcutta ... I've read it and it's interesting. What might interest you is that he is also credited with translation of Mahabharata into Bengali prose form. --Ragib 08:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Since you are removing Bogus warnings please start with these. and please do look up the users posting these as they have a history of doing this. ( for which you have been warned in the past). as well of others and. Incidentally these involve you and subhash, since you are so particular to remove what in your opinion is bogus warning on Subhash's page, kindly do clean up all the bogus warnings he has issued. It would really add to your edit count too as the number would be huge. Haphar
 * Just ignore the stuff about you being Subhash's sock.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

POV additions to 2006 blasts at Malegaon

 * I believe that the recent edit done by TerryJ-Ho to this article is POV (per my revert summary of his edits).I could perhaps use another pair of eyes to look at it if you wouldn't mind. Thanks:

TerryJ-Ho's diff (reverted by myself as of now): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2006_blasts_at_Malegaon&diff=75269584&oldid=75269401

Hkelkar 11:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You are not a sockpuppet
Your editing patterns are not at all similar to that of Subhash bose or Hkelkar, so I would not support any sockpuppet accusation against you. BhaiSaab talk 01:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you ever thought that perhaps Subhash bose learned some lessons from his old account and decides not to show incivil tendencies in his other account? BhaiSaab talk 01:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Where there's a will, there's a way and we've seen that Subhash bose has the will to use sockpuppets. BhaiSaab talk 01:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's actually a very good question. I will check for similarities in the usage of non-English phrases. Thanks. BhaiSaab talk 01:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Baka, i want to know that if i use Nien mein freund, will i be accused of being Subhash's sockpuppet too.nids(&#9794;) 01:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Nein mein freund.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure. I also edit similar articles. And i guess i became active when he was blocked. (As he is generally blocked for more time than he is active.)nids(&#9794;) 02:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannada literatureDineshkannambadi 02:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I did not quite understand your message on Kannada literature. Did you mean to say you will create a page for it containing the names of poets? or their works? or both?. There is already a page for Kannada literature. I had created a page called Karnataka literature that contains both Kannada and Sanskrit scholars from the Karnataka region. Is this the page you were writing about?

Dinesh Kannambadi

Will you pl. see the India Today article?
Will you pl. see the copy-pasted article of India Today on talk pages of Swadhyay Parivar along with my comments?

Swadhyayee 12:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Lo.. thanks for trying... actually Fundy Watch was never meant to be an explicitly anti-Muslim/anti-Pakistan cabal. It came along most due to childish vandalisms by User:Siddiqui. I believe Wikipedia has become needlessly bureaucratic. Admins have this habit of seeing Hindutvadis everywhere.. their behaviour infact encourages certain POV pushers. I'll be busy this year with A Levels and hence i wont be able to contribute regularly to wikipedia. Yet do mail me if you need any help.. esp. with POV articles...

अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from Turkey
Hello, this is Bahar from the Turkish Wikipedia. If you don't mind, I was going to ask you something. A Turkish user 'Tembelejderha' (lazy dragon) is asking what his user name is in other languages. If you can write its' Tamil and Hindi to my talk page below the title of "Translations for Tembel ejderha", that would be great. Thank-you very much. Bahar (means spring in Turkish)

Kerala School
OK, why are you telling me? ...And Beyond! 01:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? Where did I threaten to delete it? ...And Beyond! 01:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think you're confusing me with another editor. ...And Beyond! 01:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannada worksDineshkannambadi 02:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Ideally, we want to have three fields if we could. One for the name of the work, 2nd for author and third for the date. But, what you suggest would be a good start.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Tamil ??
Are you from Tamil Nadu. Doctor Bruno Talk  02:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC) Special:Emailuser/Doctorbruno

Mani Shankar Aiyar
Hi I believe you are an administrator hence am paine dto report vandalism on the above mentione darticle by Asprakash.He clearly is an ardent devotee,a relative or a diehard Tamil form what he has been doing to the article time and gain.You may recall he had deleted the Controversies section altogether and you had reverted it.He has done it again.Heis panegyrations for Aiyar are transgressing all parameters of objectivity.Time and again I had to stop him from using weasel terms like 'brilliant' and I find his comparision of Aiyar with Gandhi laughable for its total absence of balance.I have tried to expain to him that I am a Tamil myself(and an Iyer) but to support someone just because he is aTamil goes against the very spirit of Wiki.However he seems bent on it despite advice by Deepujoseph.I think time has come for some strong action.I leave it to you f you wish to revert the deletion all of which was referenced.(Vr 06:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC))

Relax man
if you are thinking so than i must clarify that I am not a hardline Atheist like, say Salman Rushdie. And we are not claiming that there are hindu atheists (though there are), we are just saying that even an atheist can be a hindu. This is important in the intro section as it is something unique to Hinduism. We are just talking about the philosophy part, so we dont need to have evidence for atheists among contemporary hindus. The other statement is this, which claims that majority of contemporary hindus are vedanta followers and they worship Even vishnu and Shiva in a form of cosmic spirit called brahmana. I guess it is completely wrong. Because this is just a view of Advaita vedanta and if there is a census, they wont find more than 1% followers. You would also be knowing that none of the vaishnavites and shaivites regard their gods as a form of cosmic spirit.nids(&#9794;) 07:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Aryan/Dravidian controversy and your unfounded attack
HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF HAVING AN AGENDA TO DISCREDIT HINDU CULTURE! I may be Pakistani but that does not mean I'm here to discredit it or I'm naturally biased. I'm stating what most academics accept as the truth. To tell you the truth, I'm ONE OF THE FEW PAKISTANIS ON THIS BLOODY ENCYCLOPEDIA THAT STILL ACKNOWLEDGES THE FACT THAT PAKISTAN AND INDIA WERE HISTORICALLY THE SAME CIVILIZATION. ASK User: Freedom Skies FOR PROOF. I'VE RECEIVED HARSH CRITICISM FROM MANY PAKISTANIS ON HERE FOR "ACCEPTING INDIAN POV" UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ACCUSE ME OF BEING INDIAN! YOU ARE FOOLISH FOR MAKING SUCH ASSERTIONS! With regards to this theory, I think you've looked at the original version way too much and have completely ignored what modern mainstream academics show. The modern, updated version of this theory states that a linguistic group of Eurasian nomads who may have referred to themselves as "Arya" but were perhaps a tribal confederation of several old racial stocks speaking a common tongue, migrated to the subcontinent gradually in family groups. They gradually displaced the local population, driving them either south or absorbing them into their own society via the caste system. From genetics, it is proven that the majority of the migrants were probably male, so they intermarried with local women extensively. As a result, ALL SOUTH ASIAN PEOPLE have a common mitochondrial base dating back to the earliest homo sapien migrants to the subcontinent 30,000-50,000 years ago. It is in terms of y-chromosomes, that differences appear. Upper castes and northern indians tend to exhibit greater quantities of Eurasian genes in their Y-chromosomes. The greatest frequency, in fact, comes from the Punjabis, whose y-chromosomes are 40%-50% derived from ancient Eurasian nomadic migrants and invaders that came within the last 3000 years and later. The same is true for Kashmiris and other north indian groups, but it gets lesser as you go down the country. The languages, however, are known to have spread greatly beyond the genes, into Bengal, Assam, Maharashtra and the central regions, where probably only a few "Aryans" came and mingled with a mostly indigenous population who took on the languages. The same is true for the Sinhalese and the Maldivians. ( I think I butchered the latter nationality's spelling). This was probably more to do with the cultural influence of the Indo-Aryans and how their cultures spread through trade and acquisition, rather than through further population replacements. Thus, the peoples of the subcontinent are greatly mixed, yet all are the same and have the same mitochondrial ancestors from the dawn of human habitation in the subcontinent. Nevertheless, in the north and south, there do exist racial types that wouldnt be found in the other region. Many Punjabis in Northwest India and Pakistan have prominent, Afghan-influenced faces that wouldnt be found in say Tamil Nadu. Kashmiris have a racial type that most definetely would not be found anywhere within the south (except maybe Hyderabad where alot of Muslims came from similar regions anyway). You see, being located where it is, Indians and Pakistanis have a color tone that varies depending on how far or close you are to the equator. The closer you are, you will be more dark. Likewise, the more south your traditional homeland is in India, the more closer to the equator you are, and of course, you will be bound to be darker than someone from further north, such as a Kashmiri, Punjabi or even a Pashtun. Nevertheless, most Indians having the same mitochondrial base, also have similar genes in their y chromosomes, mixed in of course in varying degrees with invader ones, leading them to look more or less the same with variations. Now with regards to Hindu culture not existing outside of India. Actually, the modern version of this theory (which has archaeological and genetic proof)does not say in any way that Hinduism was brought to the subcontinent. It says that the nomads had a culture of their own that had several nature-based deities such as Indra and Varuna, and this religion mixed with the local Dravidian and tribal religions to form Hinduism. All the scriptures were written in the subcontinent, all the developments in the faith were made in India. The only foreign element are the Rig Vedic gods of Indra, Varuna, Agni, Mitra and others. And there is archaelogical proof showing these gods were worshipped outside of India, with no predating Indian contact. The Mitanni, an Indo-Aryan people who went west instead of going to the subcontinent, carried these deities with them to what is now Syria and Iraq. There is a treaty a Mitanni king made with the Hittites, that has been discovered that invokes these deities. Also, some of the verses in the Rig Veda (not the entire Rig Veda itself) are known to have come from the outside, as the Iranian Aryans used them in their Zoroastrian holy book, the Avesta. Also, discoveries in BMAC have also shed light on Indo-Aryan/Iranian practices being followed outside of both Iran and India. Nevertheless, what is now Hinduism is entirely rooted in India, most of its core concepts, such as Karma, reincarnation, yoga, and Dharma, as well as the main trinity, are rooted in the Dravidian civilization in the Indus Valley. Case closed. Afghan Historian 22:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

About Godhra Train Burning
Please read the older version of the article again. I think if you will think about the deleted text, you will agree that it included important details.

--Vikramsingh 03:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Copied from my talk page
"POinting us to pages that talk abt mathematics in India doesnt answer the point that none of these mathematicians did work that was specifically Hindu, which is the only way in which this cat can be kept as per policy. Nobody in this debate has answered that point. Unless someone does, this cat must be deleted. Hornplease 06:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)"

They called the people "Hindu mathematicians". Good job not reading the source.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Errr.. that the pages merely popped up as a result of a google search for the phrase doesnt mean that they support the arguments that were being raised, namely mathematicians doing work that was specifically Hindu. Could you think about that for a moment, please? Thanks. Hornplease 07:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Its merely mathematicians that are Hindu. Of course not reading the sources and asking questions where you will dispute any answer even if its verified or even (gasp!) correct doesnt make you look smart. Nobody cares for academic jargon, its about common sense. They're mathematicians, theyre Hindu, sources back it up. Done.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Not done, I'm afraid, whatever your sadly overestimated 'common sense' might tell you. Nobody doubts that they were Hindu. However, I suggest you now recuse yourself from the discussion, since in spite of being told about thirty times, you still haven't understood that that is insufficient for the cat to exist, as per policy. Hornplease 13:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Hornplease again, Sigh!

 * He has deleted the addition of a cited section in 2006 Malegaon blasts. I have argued that there is ample precedent on wikipedia for such additions (see my edit summaries). I undid my revert of his vandalism else there is the possibility that I might get framed for a fake 3RR violation by some users who may have curried favor with admins (I've seen such things done to wikipedians by certain other wikipedians). Please peruse the edit and offer a perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2006_Malegaon_blasts&diff=75857622&oldid=75844545

Regards,

Hkelkar 09:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Do have a look at my reply to similar allegations on the article's talk page: . I think its best if we leave all columnist reactions out of it, as ensuring balance will lead to undue bloating. We can concentrate on the reports for now. I think that's reasonable. Also, I have no intention of reporting anyone for 3RR if they simply discuss things on the talk page. I dont want the investigation section of a current news event to have an npov tag on it, and its best to try and avoid that by scrupulously keeping to reporting. I am sorry if I am being a bother.Hornplease 22:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I nominated this ridiculous nonsense article Neo-Brahmanism for speedy deletion
I cited reasons there. Can you offer a perspective (maybe on the talk page)?Also, could you put the article in your watchlist for developments (in cse you're interested, of course)? Thanks for your attention.Hkelkar 19:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Article just got deleted. Wow Wikipedia sure is fast :).Hkelkar 19:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ayurveda

 * An anon Hesperophile messed up the article with a lot of nonsense and POV, confusing Ayurveda with homeopathy and adding irrelevant references demonizing a harmless and often effective practice. I have removed most edits that failed verification and tried to fix up the section somewhat. However, I could use another paid of eyes to look at it and check for unsourced or poorly sourced POV. Bear in mind that similar articles on Traditional medicines like Acupuncture or Reiki have no such bias and proper criticisms.Hkelkar 06:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Admins
Hi! All the Indian admins are listed at Category:Indian Wikipedia administrators. A good number of them are on wikibreaks. You can try contacting Sundar, Samir or Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington for help. And of course, there is WP:AN/I-- thund e rboltz(Deepu) 07:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Saw your message on Deepu's page. Any admin would do. You do not need an Indian admin. Also, most of the Indian admins (and Indian editors) are busy with real life. I just noticed that Ganesh is back. You can contact him for help. - Aksi_great (talk) 07:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev
Hello Baka:

In regards to your note, sorry for the late response - have been busy. Wanted to emphasize that I have no concerns regarding your contribution on Swami Ramdev's page. In fact, before my updates on copyright I wrote on your page to thank you for your efforts in trying to rewrite the page. Am not very familiar with Wiki - so am not sure if I posted incorrectly. Either way I definitely appreciate you contributions. Once again, Thanks Very Much for youe efforts.

Wikipost 03:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

... And Beyond
has reincarnated as User:TDL31 --BostonMA 02:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * sorry I posted on you main page instead of your talk page. --BostonMA 02:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:DYK
Hi - see Template:DYK and its talkpage. You should write a new article and propose an interesting fact from it on the template talkpage (it should be interesting in the eyes of others) - the new entries are listed there. Make sure that the article is of a proper size (not a stub, but no need to be too lengthy), layout and without grammatical and spelling errors. Clear references must be provided and no POV. All entries hang around for 5 days, during which admins that manage DYK will decide to put it up for display. Rama's arrow 20:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Check out the DYK articles written by Blnguyen, Akash and me as examples on what your entry should look like. Its quite an easy method to get your work to the mainpage. Rama's arrow  20:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Rana Bhagwandas is an excellent entry (almost certain to be displayed). I suggest you provide as many references and external links as you can. The size and content is stubbish, so that needs to be expanded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rama's Arrow (talk • contribs).


 * Sorry for the delay in responding. Go ahead and nominate the article - it looks good, but if you can find more data it will help significantly. Good work! Rama's arrow  23:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Rana Bhagwandas
I redirected the article. BhaiSaab talk 22:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for enhancing the article. May I bring to your attention another such article .That is Hercharan Singh     Shyamsunder 17:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment culled form my user page
Wikipedia

THIS IS NOT NON SENSE U MOTHER FCKER, LEAR ABOUT CASTE SYSTEM BEFORE U BECOME THE ONWER OF THIS PAGE. IGNORANT, GANDHISM/NEHRUISM HISTROY BRAINWASHED SELF HATING HINDU. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SLAVE OF CONGRESS PARTY, AND SONIA. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.161.138 (talk • contribs).

from this diffBakaman Bakatalk 00:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Simply idiot
This guy Bakasuprman is a simple idiot —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.59.240 (User talk:59.92.59.240 talk • contribs).

Mani Shankar Aiyar
Hi

I think this vandal is upto his triks gain -the article has been vandalised after your warning!Is this time to report this?Regards(Vr 10:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC))

2 Requests

 * Could you create a cat Category:Riots in Pakistan per precedent in Category:Riots in India? I'd like to add some articles on the Ahmaddiya riots and Mojahir riots in Pakistan there.


 * Could you expand the Direct Action Day article? I'm also working on it (there was a bunch of anti-Hindu POV there which I corrected). I have 2 books that I cited there and am reading from them but I'd like your help if you can get access to them and read them for input I'd be very grateful. Thanks.Hkelkar 23:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Your message
Hello. I do not know much about your edits or about you. I just come to respond to your message:. By the way, we are an international virtual community, and there are many types of elements and clashes of ego. We have to work within constraints to make the Project a success, and do not fall prey to those who claim to have "ownership" of all "sum total of kowledge" relating to India and Indians. --Bhadani 02:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

"Hate Attacks"
You seem to be getting quite a lot of malicious "hate attacks" lately. BhaiSaab talk 02:47, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
I don't know what made you think that I characterised you as a newbie. Let me clarify that this is the first time I'm encountering you in Wikipedia and there's no way I could've called you a newbie. My comment was about "real" newbies whom I've seen raise the same issues that were resolved earlier. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. The mix-up stands cleared now. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:DYK
Hi Bakaman, thanks for your message on my page. The Rana Bhagwandass article has turned out very well and is a real good DYK.

As for myself, I usually skim through stubs of my interest (mostly history and geography of India) and try to get them in decent shape. Along the way, every topic throws up something really interesting.

Its great to see your efforts. All the best and let me know if I can help in anyway -- Lost (talk) 08:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * DYK candidates are only the newest articles, which must be nommed within 5 days of creation. Rama's arrow  02:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Bakaman, I see you're on a roll now!! One more advice. While creating a new article, try to do it in a single day so that the nomination can go out the same day. It increases the chances of it getting into DYK. Plus you get more time to respond to objections during the nomination. If creating within one day is not possible, then create it in your sandbox first and then move it to the actual article. Will check out the Nanavati article as soon as I have time -- Lost (talk) 06:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Poverty
I agree wiht you that the article is encyclopedic and the people that have worked on it are doing a really good job. Sometimes we just need to be careful with the way things are phrased so that they don't have unintended meaning.--Peta 01:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the change. Peta's version is excellent. btw I was going through the article it reads very well. Cheers. --Antorjal 01:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Gizza
Yeah, I know that but DaGizza is still a good guy who helps edit the Indian articles. By the way, if you have time could you take a look over Indian cricket team which I am hoping to submit for FAC soon...Even if you don't know much about cricket, User:Nichalp recommended me to get someone that doesn't know much about cricket.  Noble eagle   (Talk)   01:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I definitely wouldn't pass, just being buds with Indian users doesn't cut it. I've been labelled a problematic Hindutva propagator. Dbachmann refers to users like me when he says  It is easy to clean Wikipedia of childish graffiti and ill researched misconception, but it is not worth my time to protect its integrity against this sort of orchestrated nationalist propaganda.  Noble eagle   (Talk)   02:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Good to see you writing fine articles like these. Keep it up! --Srikeit (Talk 18:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats on your first DYK. I see more is in the queue ... keep it up. --Ragib 18:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Great job Bakaman. Congrats!! -- Lost (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Baka for improving
So you are online too. Thanks Baka for improving.

Swadhyayee 01:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Block?
Are you in position to block the ip vandalising Swadhyay Parivar page?

Swadhyayee 01:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Protection
Thanks. It would be good if the page is protected.

Swadhyayee 01:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

DYK
"Reply - congratulations to not reading the article. The sentence right before states the system and calls it feudalism. As I recall, you put it up for deletion, and it was strongly rebuffed. Don't attempt to sidetrack the article's success for POV.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)"
 * Congratulations on not looking at the time of my comment. When I made my comment there was no source for "feudalism", and if you care to look over the history of the article, I removed the deletion template once it was expanded. Perhaps you need to learn how to assume good faith. BhaiSaab talk 02:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

IP Address belongs to
IP address 66.30.205.119 used for vandalising Swadhyay Parivar page is of Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc RW2-NORTHEAST-6 (NET-66-30-0-0-1) 66.30.0.0 - 66.31.255.255 Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc BOSTON-9 (NET-66-30-0-0-2) 66.30.0.0 - 66.31.255.255

Have any idea whether this is a IP service provider or an business organisation? Just to get the idea who could be the person?

Swadhyayee 03:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Kathanar

 * He has been making defamations and violeting (or close to violating) 3rr on Kancha Ilaiah. Could be a sockpuppet/meatpuppet of User:Ikonoblast.I tried to fix his edits up but am not sure...Hkelkar 16:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Both of you should see this Talk:Hkelkar/Archive_2.  zephyr2k  18:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Nanavati commission
Hi Bakaman, regarding the above and Jagdish Tytler, I only know what was in the papers and on the net, but if I can help please give me a shout. Perhaps as a Sikh I should know more but I try and stick to reading only a minimum in connection with politics - you can never know who is telling the truth and who is lying. Further, it is a very ugly and depressing part of India's history for which all Indians are embarrassed and uncomfortable with the whole hideous sage. The whole affair should never have taken place and for a nation with such amazing moralistic leaders it brought a terribly low point in its history and all the Mahatma Gandhis, the bhagats, and saints must be "turning in their graves" --Hari Singh 18:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Tipu_Hero
See my comment on Blng's talk page. And first of all I dont understand what hinduvavadi or whatever means. I dont know which language that is and I am certainly nothing that I dont even understand. In any case, if he has been making anti hindu comments, it is bad and he should be pulled up for it. So unless you are bluffing and crying wolf like Mahawiki always does, post the relevant links to the relevant diffs. Sarvagnya 22:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * hmm.. well now i know what hinduvavadi(did i get that right?) means... looks like it is somebody's personal definition of hinduness. Well I have my own definition for 'hinduness' and it works fine for me.  I dont believe in wearing my 'hindu' identity on my sleeve as I see no point in doing that.  As for hindi, arent you the guys who make movies in urdu and pass it off as hindi movies?  arent you the guys who make movies which is financed by terrorists and acted in by murderers?  arent you the guys who support the terrorists and murderers by promoting such movies in the name of hindi?  hmmm... questions questions.. Sarvagnya 23:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * what makes you think i am acting incivil?  is there anything in my prev reply(above) that is factually untrue?  Please point out.  as for tipu, you're helping coz, in all fairness you ought to anyway.  That you have your own agenda, seems to be the real reason though.  If you are so bent on supporting me, support me against Mahawiki.

Mahawiki has been bluffing all over wikipedia that I(and DK) are 'kannadi vandalising' or 'kannadising'(whatever that means) various articles. I am sure you would have seen him claiming that in many places.

So do me a favour, go through all those articles he is mentioning and point out even one single inappropriate edit by me. If you cant point out anything, stop supporting him blindly and spoiling the atmosphere on Wikipedia. I dont even remember how you entered the pic in (in me vs mahawiki) and why you are supporting him.

being a hindutvavadi(did i get it right?) you might be interested in a glorious 'hindu rashtra'. I have also heard that people from your school of thought wish to have an akhanDa bharata or something. if that is the case, why are you driving a wedge between kannadigas and marathis for no reason. if you keep doing this maybe by the time you guys annexe all the lost territories(like pak, afghanistan) etc., you might have ended up breaking up into pieces the hindu rashtra as it stands today. Sarvagnya 23:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Support against Mahawiki!
Dear Baka, As u have understood by now,the above user is only capable of bitching and badmouthing others.He calls names like bluff,shameless,troll etc etc.I cant belive one can be so arrogant and incivilised.He is asking everyone to stand against me so that he can push his state's POV everywhere.He has problems with Hindi Marathi Tamil Belgaon Kaveri etc etc etc!He doesnt love Hinduism or India,he is all for his beloves state Karnataka!

I do think u should feel closer to Thackeray as he is not a pseudo-secular like that Gowda who is good for nothing!In fact,Gowda has pronounced that Tipu was hero and he will break the alliance with BJP if they dont adhere to secularism!

One more thing I must add,I simply detest Bollywood movies.I am not exactly in love with Hindi and Tipu has not united Maharashtrians-Kannadis as they are against Tipu just because 'he used Persian instead of Kannada'language in courts!Intresting na? mahawiki 04:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Nationalism
Baka, The user Sarvagnya is just hellbent on badmouthing Marathi people and non-Kannada people. He doesn't even spare Tipu Sultan, who as far as I know, wasn't against any Hindus. I know he came to Marathas (Nanasaheb Peshwa was the ruler then), and the Marathas declined support to him. But still he is against Tipu just because "he preferred Persian to Kannada". It shows his mentality. He has also been stalking us, me and mahawiki and bringing troubles in development of our Marathi-related articles.

Secondly, I am proud to be a Hindu, but I am even more proud to be a Maharashtrian. My primary identity is Marathi. As it is, I am a Marathi first and I can never compromise on my Marathi identity. I still feel that Thackeray made a mistake by embracing Hindutva and putting Marathittva in the back burner. I think Marathittva should come first. The Marathi identity is more closer to me. So, Marathi Muslims and Marathi Christians are more closer to me than North Indian Hindus. An identity is based on Shared Culture. An identity based on Shared Religion is farcical and is bound to fail. Simply because, as a Hindu, I have been told that "All paths lead to same Destination". Thus all religions lead to the same "Spiritual Palace".

Thirdly, Tipu hasn't united Maharashtrians-Kannadis, because his being anti-Kannada means nothing to us.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 05:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly.To be frank the attitude of fellow Indians have depressed me.In fact just see Wikipedia.U will know how 'few' guys are insulting Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj (who is an idol of Hindutvawadis too) Maharashra and Marathi culture.U have urself encountered Hindi haters.Tell me wont we feel bad?Our Marathi brothers in Belgaon are opressed by so called Hindus itself. I do respect ur views on Hindutva.I hope we Indians shall biting each others first and then only we can come under one umbrella.Its sad if Tipu was anti-Hindu but I dont feel enraged over the fact that he chose Persian over Kannada. mahawiki 05:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

will start work soon
yeah, actually i was quiet busy recently. Will start working soon. Have a bit of backlog, so would prefer to clear that first.nids(&#9794;) 23:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes i saw that. You and Hkelkar did a good job on poverty in Pakistan. I may not be too helpful to you, but will try to remove blatant Anti-Hindu edits on some articles of wiki.nids(&#9794;) 23:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove the link to jewish winners.nids(&#9794;) 15:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Tipu Hero
Good morning. Have a nice day. --Bhadani 23:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your immediate response and maturity shown. I shall not withdraw my good morning, but add a good evening. This (Good morning/Good evening) reminds me of wikipedia (in a lighter vein) - adding and deleting, and doing a Merry-go-round. --Bhadani 00:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

tip
Hey Baka - you did great with the DYK. A tip - always use an edit summary after making an edit. A practice considered as courtesy by other editors, it also helps distinguish from possible vandalism. Cheers, and do write many other DYKs! Rama's arrow 23:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Jayadratha
Hi, Baka I made a comment in the Jayadratha article: It is interesting to note that this is the only incident in scriptures in which Lord Shiva did not grant the devotee his wishes; it was impossible to defeat the Pandavas as they were protected by Shri Krishna. what do you think?

Raj2004 00:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC) No problem —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raj2004 (talk • contribs).

Indian Nationalism
You have reverted my demands for citations on the above page with an edit summary saying that it is 'racist'. This is a violation of WP:NPA as well as being almost extraordinarily absurd even by your standards of editing. Please do not revert again without a reasoned discussion on the article talk page. Also, please explain why indicating that Gautier is 'interested' in Indian culture and 'sympathetic' to Hindutva is OR when that a cursory reading of the attached samples of his work backs the statement up. Baka, this is your third mmonth on this encyclopaedia, and you are yet to improve in terms of editing and confrontationalism. You are no longer a newbie, and I will no longer treat you as one. Please pull your socks up. Hornplease 01:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Wake up call!!
Hey Bakaman, whats happening?? The Nanavati article is already 3 days old and still not at DYK??? How are you going to catch up with Rama's arrow and Blnguyen at this rate? Take it to DYK today!!

On the second issue, I need to actually go thru the statements before I can comment so give me some time for it. -- Lost (talk) 03:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Swadhyay
Hi Bakasuprman!

The word "Swadhyay" is a Sanskrut word. That is what I want to tell. What you are trying to focus is Swadhyay practice and what I am trying to do is give the meaning of Swadhyay. I had elaborately explained about the connotation of Swadhyay but someone removed it and at leisure I want to write it again.

There is difference in self-study and study of one's self. Self study is an individual effort to study any subject whereas study of one's self is related to learn about one's self even in a group.

Swadhyay is not a central idea of Jainism. "Swadhyay" goes back to thousands of years back history. I am not knowing period but Jainism is comparatively few hundred years old religion. Swadhyay means Swa+Adhyayan.

Should I correct your last edits?

With Regards,

Swadhyayee 09:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I have replied to Ragib on discussion of "Swadhyay"
Pl. see if you wish talk page of "Swadhyay". It's a reply to Ragib's suggestion.

Swadhyayee 10:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Your points
Hello. I thank you for your last message to me detailing a number of points. For the time being, I am giving a general response: A general response. --Bhadani 02:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you. --Bhadani 14:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

History of Pakistan
Please see my comments here on this article. It needs a lot of help.  Noble eagle   (Talk)   08:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sometimes our contents really look bizarre vis-à-vis the reality. It is just a passing remark, as I have lost interest (for the time being) in many pages of wikipedia and their contents. However, my commitment to building the project and its emergence as an encyclopedia in the true sense remains intact. --Bhadani 14:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: POV tag - thanks!
Thanks for letting me know you agree! Mattisse(talk) 14:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Image of Ranganathaswamy temple
Hi Bakasuprman, thanks for adding the info box for Ranganathaswamy temple. Unfortunately, it makes the image larger than the resolution of the original. This is especially noticable in the lower left hand corner where you see little squares. Is there a way to adjust the size in an info box? Alternatively, I have a high resolution pic that I could upload. Never did because there was already a pic online. Please let me know what you think is best course. (Sorry to be a nitpicker for little details). --BostonMA 14:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Yes, you could have checked that.nids(&#9794;) 15:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Stop Living in a Fantasy
Just simply typing stuff without actual sources to back it up does not count. Stop modifying history. Its a wonder why the ambassador of the U.S. in 2004 on South Asian Affairs stated that "India, the land that brought us genies and elephants". The world is still confused about India, because it is they who keep modifying their own history... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Indrancroos (talk • contribs).

Bakasuprman vs. Peter Pan
You are absolutely right. The Ramayan and the Mahabharat have not been revised, nor do they mention of any kingdoms which are in Tamil Nadu, or Kerala. As a matter of fact in Mahabharata it mentions of the 16 Mahajanapadas. The southern most was in the Maharashtran state and parts of Central India called Assaka. The Ramayana mentions of how Hanuman crossed over to Lanka, true in the mythological story. Homer's Iliad speaks of the Trojan war between the Athenians and the Trojans. Does that mean that Troy was part of Athens at the time? Just because Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Java and Bali Indonesia dance the Ramayana or have arts depicting the Ramayana, doesn't mean they are part of India. Just because Islam is practices all over the Middle East, does not mean they are one country either... Stop living in a fantasy... Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Tripura, Mizoram, Pondichery, Assam, and Nagaland became part of India through the British. When the British left, they gave the princely states a choice to be part of India or not. Those who chose not to be part of India, were over run by the Indian army and taken over. A so called Indian Super Power, which is acutually a World Super Market for cheap labor... Wake up and smell the coffee...Indrancroos 01:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Here are some more facts for you:

1. Mizo Hills were formally declared as part of the British-India by a proclamation in 1895.[] 2. The State of Nagaland was formally inaugurated on December 1st, 1963, as the 16th State of the Indian Union.[] 3. The 'Tripura' is a small state within the union of India. It was an independent country till the merger with independent India in 1949 A.D.[] 4. Manipur was not a Part of India. It was forcibly annexed by India. In 21 September 1949 the king of Manipur was forced to sign the Marger Agreement.[] 5. Pondicherry becomes part of India in 1963. []

These are not the only states which did not become part of India until the arrival of the British or after the British left. If India was actaully one Empire during ancient times, how come there are over 23 distinct languages, and thousands of dialects? Why are there three major families of ethinic groups Dravidians (of African/ Australian roots), Indo-Aryans (of Persian roots - and of course where the name India came from), and the Mon-Kmher (of Burmese/ Cambodian roots)?[]

"Come with me to Never Never Land" - Peter Pan

Indrancroos 02:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Bakasuprman Strike's Again
''There is but one race in India. The Aryans. The whole concept of a Dravidian race was invented by the british to   help Christian missionaries. The only reason Asssamese look like Chinese is because they have more Mongoloid blood in them than Aryan.''

To Bakasupran: You are sounding like a Fascist Nazi now. As far as religion is concerned, isn't it true that Northern India got invaded left and right by the Greeks, Moghuls, British and lost their true heritage while we have retained ours? Our temples are still standing throughout Southern India. How about in Northern India? Why are there so many Muslim mosques in Northern India if it is supposed to be a Hindu state? Are you saying that the Dravidians never existed? Exlain to me the African and Aboriginal features of the Dravidians.[] Also, please explain to me why the Northern Indian scripts use the Devanagiri script vs. the Dravidians using the curvey scripts.[] Can you also explain to me why their is a sharp difference between the Indo-Aryan languages of Northern India vs. the Dravidian languages of Southern India?[] Lastly, since some of you "power tripped" guys are fond of taking our history and claiming it as yours, can you explain to me why some of the Southeast Asian languages have certain Dravidian words?[] Here's a good one, can you tell me why Southeast Asian scripts resemble that of the Dravidian scripts instead of Sanskrit or other North Indian scripts?[]

Please educate me since I am so ignorant of the history and culture of the Indian sub-continent. I am sorry that I am not as good as you to back up what I say...

Indrancroos 02:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

review
Hi Baka - please find a little time to visit Editor review/Rama's Arrow 2. I need your advice and criticism. Rama's arrow 17:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Students Islamic Movement of India

 * The user User:Katakatshot who had messed up the article befre with anti-India POV (all unsourced) has been at it again. I reverted his changes, but might want to take a look.

The diff is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Students_Islamic_Movement_of_India&diff=77691285&oldid=76242897 Hkelkar 23:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Answer
In response to your question on my talk page -Are you familiar with the Swadhyay Parivar? We need another set of eyes on the article. Bakaman Bakatalk 14:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)-  I am somewhat familiar with the Swadyay Parivar, but hardly and expert. With that caveat, I would be happy to lend a hand. rhmoore 02:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

To Bakasuprman
"Fascist Nazi" - Congrats to making yourself look like a Troll

Does it ever occur to you that there is a growing trend of people who make you out to be a Facist, racist, Ignorant, Fanatical, Vandal, Brahmin, Hater? So far, I am the second one who has classified you as a Facist. I was going to make number two in regarding you as a Brahmin. But I see someone else has accused you of that too. How did I know you were a Brahmin? I wonder... hmmm... I so happen to have a couple of Brahmin friends, unlike yourself. You give Brahmins a bad name. It's a shame that a majority of Brahmins so happen too... Why do you praise Sanskrit so much when it is not even your mother tongue? I understand that everyone has a right to their opinions... Here is mine, stop calling yourself a Tamil!

Indrancroos 05:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Gautier
Baka, first of all, if you want your talkpage semiprotected, you should ask someone. There seems to be a bit of ethnic anger directed at you in the above posts by new users. Secondly, I notice you again reverted Gautier; in particular the line which says he is "sympathetic to Indian culture" and to Hindutva. Why is this a problem? The links at the bottom of the article go to pages that say (chosen at random) "There is no doubt that under Prime Minister Vajpayee, India had entered her Golden Period, her second Renaissance. But will the BJP remain faithful to its original aspirations, or will it become 'Congressized' as Nostradamus has predicted?". There are many more. Would you like to suggest an alternative line that can summarise the fact that (a) Gautier is interested in Indian culture and (b) Gautier is sympathetic to a certain political viewpoint? Thanks. Hornplease 06:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject West Bengal
Created WikiProject West Bengal. Please join, add, enhance. --Ragib 06:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

To Bakasuprman (round two)
Can you show any sources that Tamil was not even a language until the second millienium. I will tell you what brand of Tamil you are, you are a modern-day confused Brahmin. They have a tendency to discredit Tamil and to uplift Sanskrit. Why, because they lost power in Tamil Nadu during the early 1900s. By the way, can you tell me when the Tolkapiyam was written? This is one of the earliest forms of Tamil grammar and literature. Let me quote:

"In the earliest Tamil Grammar extant, which was composed by a Brahmin named Tholkappiyan, in the first or second century B.C."

Source: Pillai, V. Kanakasabhai (1997)The Tamils Eighteen Hundred Years Ago New Delhi; Madras: Asian Educational Services p. 116

I do not use blogs as sources, but only to upload documents from legitimate sources. I have a good question for you. If the Tamils did not introduce Hinduism, Buddhism, and other customs into Southeast Asia, then who did? Freedom fries? Hey, guess what! Did you know that it was the Tamils who not only introduced Tamil, but also introduced your Dorai's language of Sanskrit into Southeast Asia too... The reason why "Indian" history is so shadowy is because there are a lot of Nationalistic Ding Dongs modifying their own history just to look big. Why? Because of a diagnosis of inferiority complex...

Here are a few charts on the similarities of Tamil and Malay words. By the way, these were scanned from an actual book. and the only way to get this onto wikipedia is to upload it to Geo-Cities. Enjoy... 

Here is the source of the material:

Arokiaswamy Phd., Celine W.M. (2000) Tamil Influences in Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. Manila: Mary Martin p. 52-57.

Brahmins in the past have contributed to Tamil, however, they are now in the trend of discrediting Tamil. Parrots can say they are Tamils too. So, what does that mean that you are a Tamil? When the "Northern Indians" run out of ideas to discredit Tamil, they always have the so called modern-day confused Brahmin Tamils to do their dirty work for them. Just like amongst the Afro-Americans, there are those that they consider sell-outs amongst their people "Token Blacks", you are no different. Yes you are a Tamil, a "Token Tamil". There are three types of people in every culture. They are the good, the bad, and the ugly... I assume that you are not a bad guy, nor are you good...

Indrancroos 07:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Category Assamese people
I do not think the discussion has ended. Kindly revert your changes to the category People of Assam. Chaipau 05:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion
With the language dispute raging, you should file an RFC/RFA. That should cool it down.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps persons involved are capable of sorting out the issues without any one's intervention. As such, I am requesting them to resolve the issues themselves, and failing that they may initiate further action at a better and at the proper place. I am not a party to the dispute, and I am also not interested in taking the role of a mediator as I do believe that editors involved are capable of resolving the issues themselves. Moreover, my knowledge of the "things" they are talking about is very limited, and an expert is required to deal with the contents. As regards civility and language, such things sometimes happen, and editors learn to talk nicely in the long run or face the consequences. I also thank you for your suggestions. Regards. --Bhadani 13:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Hi... Thanks for the compliments on the DYK. I've noticed your DYKs too and they're pretty awesome. I wish there was better India-related coverage on wikipedia, but until there is, I guess we just have to keep churning out articles! Take care. :-) --Antorjal 15:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)