User:Begonia Brandbygeana/May 2013

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because... the article is about a blatant hoax, but it is not a hoax article and is sourced content. --Guru Noel (talk) 01:39, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have reliable sources to support your claim that it's a hoax? —C.Fred (talk) 01:41, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I don't have any reliable sources for any chemical weapon attack either. Neither do the British, U.S. or Turkish governments, much as these news articles seem to be implying they have, so I can only really see it as a conspiracy theory at the moment. Guru Noel (talk) 01:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * No, you can't, not without sources. At best, the article is flagrant original research and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. —C.Fred (talk) 01:49, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The Reuters source say "UK Government suggests 'very likely' Syria has used Chemical weapons" in the title of the headline of the article. This both shows that the UK government is both a) conspiring against Syria b) has a theory that Syria used chemical weapons. I think the terminology of conspiracy theory technically sound. Perhaps you can suggest a more appropriate terminology? Guru Noel (talk) 01:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It does show b), that the UK alleges Syria has used chemical weapons. I don't think that story alone is enough to say that the UK is conspiring against Syria: to do that, we'd have to wait for journalists and other secondary sources to string together enough evidence to make the claim. Wikipedia cannot make the claim on its own. —C.Fred (talk) 02:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, can we settle then and just call it a theory? Guru Noel (talk) 02:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * At this point, what I call it is not notable enough for its own article. —C.Fred (talk) 02:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess it can wait until tomorrow morning, but this theory is getting all over the news everywhere right now.    ...I could go on. Guru Noel (talk) 02:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)