User:Bgully/vad

members of the clique

 * User:Dbachmann
 * vandalizes
 * misuses administrator rights
 * protects permanently pages
 * lets delete rfc-s by false accusation
 * threating users
 * supports violently dogmas
 * Insults users
 * User Bishonen
 * supports User:Dbachmann
 * misuses administrative rights
 * writes hate comments
 * User:nyenyec
 * vandalizes
 * User:adam78
 * adds repeatedly inappropriate labels
 * user:Lucas_Pietsch
 * adds rassistic hate comments to pages

links
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=13231918&oldid=9512705 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups&diff=40315740&oldid=40314728 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups&diff=41311270&oldid=41301658 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAntifinnugor&diff=10366991&oldid=10191860
 * User:Dbachmann
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups#Protection
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups#protected
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann
 * last year's
 * 1-st vandalismus dbachman
 * 2-nd dbachman
 * 4-th dbachmann
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41796935&oldid=41787689
 * Threat dbachmann:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdam88&diff=41797765&oldid=41791836
 * insulting editors
 * try to spread dogmatic views
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHungarian_language&diff=21575204&oldid=21560585
 * removes arguments from user discusion page
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41798035&oldid=41504910
 * User Bishonen
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=44278801&oldid=44277815
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=44278801&oldid=44277815
 * User:nyenyec
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41700993&oldid=41644214

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41650351&oldid=41644214 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41507116&oldid=41492095 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41333758&oldid=41301935 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41656239&oldid=41504910
 * User:adam78
 * user:Lucas_Pietsch

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann
 * clique let delete rfc against dbachman and clique


 * clique deletes remarks in admin noticeboard about user:dbachmann's vandalization and clique's practices

arguments of the clique
The clique argues, that users not supporting their dogmatic views, are sockpuppets, and are "easily to identify". They have of course not the slightest proof for their allegiations, but can - unfortunately - succesfully delete RFC's handling their activities and also administration noticeboard entries using that argumentation.

They argument, User:Antifinnugor lost in the arb. com. procedure 2005 (last year) against dbachmann is true, but it was last year. A won lawsuit nowhere in the world gives the right the winner to indefinitely
 * vandalize articles, they wanted to delete, but other editors voted to stay
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Critic_of_Finno_Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups
 * pwermanently vandalize articles using redirection
 * misuse admin rights, delete rfcs ad admin notices about their activities- by that avoid open discussion of their behaviour.

impact of such cliques to wikipedia

 * articles are incorrect and contain dogmatic views of small (hate) cliques
 * quality of articles gets worse, important facts remain unmentioned or get permanently vandalized as here
 * donators and potentional donators hear the above practices, and stop donations

tried to explain why their behavior is bad

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups#To_the_redirectors
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41504910&oldid=41492414

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Statement by party 2
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Involved parties

 * User:Dbachmann dab
 * vandalizes
 * misuses administrator rights
 * protects permanently pages
 * lets delete rfc-s by false accusation
 * threating users
 * supports violently dogmas
 * Insults users
 * User Bishonen User:Bishonen
 * massively supports User:Dbachmann
 * misuses administrative rights
 * writes hate comments
 * User:nyenyec User:nyenyec
 * vandalizes
 * User:adam78 User:Adam78
 * adds repeatedly inappropriate labels
 * user:Lucas_Pietsch User:LukasPietsch
 * adds rassistic hate comments to pages


 * (initiator)

Confirmation that other parties have been informed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nyenyec#RFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Adam78#RFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LukasPietsch#RFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bishonen#RFA
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dbachmann#RFA

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups#To_the_redirectors
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41504910&oldid=41492414
 * tried to add rfc that was deleted by the clique
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bgully#Antifinnugor
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41504910&oldid=17017657

Statement by Bgully
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=13231918&oldid=9512705 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups&diff=40315740&oldid=40314728 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups&diff=41311270&oldid=41301658 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAntifinnugor&diff=10366991&oldid=10191860
 * User:Dbachmann
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_groups#Protection
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups#protected
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann
 * last year's
 * 1-st vandalismus dbachman
 * 2-nd dbachman
 * 4-th dbachmann
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41796935&oldid=41787689
 * Threat dbachmann:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAdam88&diff=41797765&oldid=41791836
 * insulting editors
 * try to spread dogmatic views
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHungarian_language&diff=21575204&oldid=21560585
 * User Bishonen
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=44278801&oldid=44277815
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=44278801&oldid=44277815
 * User:nyenyec
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41700993&oldid=41644214

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41650351&oldid=41644214 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41507116&oldid=41492095 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41333758&oldid=41301935 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACritique_of_Finno-Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups&diff=41656239&oldid=41504910
 * User:adam78
 * user:Lucas_Pietsch

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dbachmann
 * clique let delete rfc against dbachman and clique


 * clique deletes remarks in admin noticeboard about user:dbachmann's vandalization and clique's practices

arguments of the clique
The clique argues, that users not supporting their dogmatic views, are sockpuppets, and are "easily to identify". They have of course not the slightest proof for their allegiations, but can - unfortunately - succesfully delete RFC's handling their activities and also administration noticeboard entries using that argumentation.

They argument, User:Antifinnugor lost in the arb. com. procedure 2005 (last year) against dbachmann is true, but it was last year. A won lawsuit nowhere in the world gives the right the winner to indefinitely
 * vandalize articles, they wanted to delete, but other editors voted to stay
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Critic_of_Finno_Ugric_and_Uralic_language_Groups
 * pwermanently vandalize articles using redirection
 * misuse admin rights, delete rfcs ad admin notices about their activities- by that avoid open discussion of their behaviour.

impact of such cliques to wikipedia

 * articles are incorrect and contain dogmatic views of small (hate) cliques
 * quality of articles gets worse, important facts remain unmentioned or get permanently vandalized as here
 * donators and potentional donators hear the above practices, and stop donations

Statement by party 2
(Please limit your statement to 500 words. Overlong statements may be removed without warning by clerks or arbitrators and replaced by much shorter summaries.)