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Scotland map
I have looked at the above and think I have got everything where it should be. Can you confirm that the dot is where it should be. Pressing edit forces a cache update I see. Regan123 12:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Burghead etc
Apologies for messing about on Burghead - I must have had two pages open at once and managed to revert myself! I notice the red spot is still swimming with the fishes. I've been admiring your contributions to Elgin Cathedral - ( I once met a churchman in Moray with a name similar to yours btw). Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Medieval cathedral
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Early Douglases
Thanks for that bit of gen, Bill. I seem to remember something on a similar vein, in a chat relating to Bishop Brice a few months back. I've looked at the Canadian site that User:Deacon of Pndapetzim put up on the MS Noticeboard, that includes Innes' version of the RoM. Unfortunately they seem to be having difficulties and I couldn't access it. I'll try again in a day or so, but if I fail, you might be the only hope for a ref. or two as I don't have access to any hard copy. Regards Brendandh 00:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You may be interested in....
Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing 2    Ben MacDui (Talk) 16:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Slink Pink
Actually he pretty much founded it on his own - but no, I have no idea what happened to him. Shame, as he seemed like he had his head screwed on. Edward Waverley 16:00, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Lauder
You may or may not wish to add your scholarly knowledge to Talk:Lauder. It may bring back memories of a certain discussion about the history of certain Caithness Normans and a Forth island. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 03:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW, you should take the advice on the talk page of Elgin Cathedral. You've done already 90 to 99% of the work needed to get that article past a FA vote. Regards,


 * No worries. Congrats on the GA. Opened a start on Alexander Bur, since I know you've been waiting. Wanted to get around to it, but you know, I'm either interested in doing it and free, or I'm not. Feel free to expand it. If you don't, hopefully I'll get around to it. All the best. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 11:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Bishop's Arms
Bill, further to the very splendid seal that you put up on Bishop William Lauder of Glasgow, that must be his ecclesiastical seal rather than his personal seal, as the latter are in several books and in several places in the cathedral. Regards, David Lauder 12:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bill, further to your enquiry, there is a brilliant article on Lauder Arms in the latest 2007 edition of the Scottish Heraldry Society's journal The Double Tressure, which I received today. ISSN 0-141-237-X and it may be available on-line but I have not looked. David Lauder 11:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the message, Bill. Wiki will hardly miss me at all for those articles when you and Angus are about. I've just been saving you two some work. Be sure to put Elgin Cathedral up for FA. Best regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 21:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Map
Bill, hi! I note your comments on Template_talk:Infobox_UK_place about needing a map for Scotland. I've done four. this one uses colors as per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps, this one uses colors as per Image:Europe_location_N-IRL.png, this one adopts a uniform green coloration and this one adopts the island convention (contiguous/other land masses and seas ignored). Choose whichever one you wish. They are all Mercator projection and details are on the image pages. Mercator is linear and all the longitude and latitude lines are straight lines (good), but I think vertical distances become greater the further North you travel (bad). Equidistant cylindrical projection would have been better, but I lack time. If you want me to convert one to that projection, just say, but it's laborious. If you need other maps in future, or are dissatisfied with the present options, you may wish to go to WikiProject Maps, Wikipedians/Cartographers or WikiProject_Maps/Requested_and_orphan_maps and put in a request. As you have no doubt found out, maps for locator maps are not easy and projection selection is important. I should imagine Scotland, with its multiple islands and fractalesque coastline poses some challenges, but I assume these challenges will have been encountered before (cf Bangladesh, which has an extremely complex southern shoreline). Incidentally, you might be looking for a new map for the Scotland article: it would be relatively easy to do one for you in the manner of Image:Europe_location_WAL.png, since just tonal changes are required (in fact, one might already exist). Regards, Anameofmyveryown 05:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And there is one! See here!. Hope that helps, Anameofmyveryown 08:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you'e going to use a cut-off version for Shetland then you'e going to need more detail. To that end, I have uploaded Image:Scotland_locator_map_23_August_2007_-_bordered_island.png. It's not something I find appealing, (black borders are somewhat hoony) but it's a quick way to give you the detail for the Shetland Islands: you can now zoom in on Shetland and it'll look OK-ish. The original non-bordered version is still on Image:Scotland_locator_map_23_August_2007_-_island.png. As for your question about would a cut-off version still work, er I don't know the answer to that: I assume JZA84 could help you (I know nothing about calibration). Let me know which one you choose in the end. Incidentally, the original map was done by User:SFC9394, and he (?) may consider my reworking presumptious. Please advise him that this was not my intent: I just changed the projection. Hope that helps, Anameofmyveryown 00:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bill, hi! If you don't need the other images, tell me and I'll take them off Wikipedia: no sense leaving them on if unused. Incidentally, to show the scale of the problem, I've uploaded a comparison of the original image and the Mercator version here. You can't get from one to another by rotating it (if you rotate anticlockwise to make Sutherland fit, then Edinburgh ends up in the middle of the Forth and Dundee ends up some way inland) or uniformly squishing/stretching it (similar problem), or any combination of the two. Individual parts have to be stretched at different rates to make the one match the other. It's like keys: they may look the same, but to make key A match key B will require a rasp. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 23:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Andy Murray
I appreciate your support on the issue of Andy Murray's national identity. A moderator was throwing his weight around to push his own agenda and threatened me with a ban if I reverted Murray's description to "Scottish". 82.40.19.192 19:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Scotland map
Hi - not a problem that the map needed altered, the benefits of a wiki! A couple of comments on the altered version - the background would be better transparent - that makes it easier to use in different situations (if the infobox background is a different shade, for example). From a personal POV Loch Ryan appears to have disappeared! The projection change may have squashed it a bit, but it would be nice if it still showed the loch! My original projection should have been WGS84 - if anyone needs a very high res to work from in the future then when I first made these I uploaded a VHR that can be scaled/modified. SFC9394 09:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi! Thank you for the above. I'm afraid you're going further than my technical abilities allow me to follow, and my responses are as follows-
 * I agree with u that the background would be better transparent, but unfortunately I did the reworked map in Microsoft Paint, which can't do alpha channels, so this is something I can't do (if u can do this, then great!).
 * As for the data, I'm not sure you can take WGS84 data straight and produce a map from it without distortion. Take a balloon. Draw a square on it. Divide the square into quarters, so you've got a square with a cross in it. Now burst the balloon and look at your drawing. The cross in the middle has got 4 90-degree angles, which is what you want. But the angles in the square's corners, which were 90 degrees when the balloon was blown up, are now less than 90 degrees when the balloon is burst, and the square is no longer a square, it looks a bit like a 4-pointed star. WGS84 data is geodesic - which would make it the shortest surface distances between two points on the surface on a globe (well, the reference geoid, but you know what I mean), analogous to the lines on the balloon: if you just plot it straight, you get distortion. I think the WGS84 data needs to be projected to be usable as a locator map. The Wikipedia article on geodesy recommends a UTM projection, which stands for Universal Transverse Mercator (or, as I prefer to think of it, OMiGodYetAnotherProjection). Again, all this is beyond my software pricerange, tho this tells u how to do it and even provides a spreadsheet. Oh joy.
 * As for Loch Ryan, however, easy peasy. Done and reloaded here.


 * It occurs to me that I might be telling you something you already know, so apologies for the presumptiousness. Grandmother-egg-sucking-lecture not intended.


 * Hope that helps, Regards, Anameofmyveryown 02:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Wouldn't go so far as to say I'm back. Felt like writing a couple of articles, so I did. Look forward to seeing your work on Dryburgh. I have no pictures of the abbey. Shamefully, I've never even been to any of the south-eastern abbeys save only Holyrood. But I know where you prolly can pinch some images:


 * The monastic annals of Teviotdale : or, The history and antiquities of the abbeys of Jedburgh, Kelso, Melros, and Dryburgh
 * Dryburgh Abbey in the light of its historical and ecclesiastical setting

Of course, there is this important book: It has abbots seals in it (and prolly other illustrations) that can be taken free of copyright. Best regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 12:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Liber S. Marie De Dryburgh

Andrew Moray
Hey Bill, thanks for the kind words. The recognition that someone thinks what I'm doing is useful is much appreciated. I am trying to fit the work in between writing a book, doing my day-job and the hassles of a very bad-tempered laptop. But I hope to get it finished soon. I agree with the need for references and I will add these soon. I hope you'll like the finished article, which I hope cam attract GA or even FA status, and also the interest of the Scottish Mediaeval Group. --Jaygtee 20:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Article now extensively rewritten and refrenced.--Jaygtee 19:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Renewable energy
Thanks for your help with this Bill. Glad you are not feeling too stretched timewise - a very wise approach. Perhaps if you have a spare few minutes you could ponder on the following observation? You obviously hang out with the Scottish historians, who are a formidable bunch. I imagine if you stuck your head above the parapet and took a history related article to the FAC room (and right now I fear it is something that might impinge a little on your confident assertions of having time!) one or two of them might choose to engage with the process. I suspect that if I were a member of WikiProject Pokemon my chums might also turn up and offer supportive comment (or at least some comment). Right now the silence from WP:Scotland is deafening. Was it something I said? Is everyone afraid of the big bad FAC wolves? I am off to civilised parts for a couple of days to buy a new book - perhaps on computer games. 'See' you soon. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Mac, yes, I really must change that caption but I do spend more time in here than is good for me. Would you believe I am actually considering putting up Elgin Cathedral to FAC but its the hassle that's putting me off and I'd probably duck down below that parapet again quicker than you could say 'Mel Gibson'! As one who has worked in both power distribution and environmental management, your excellent article resonates with me but I suspect that the deafening silence your hearing is because folk in general haven't yet connected with the technologies and concepts and so don't feel able to comment. As for buying books, I bought a few from Amazon about a month ago and would you believe the very ones I was after were being sold at a large discount, postage free and delivered two days after ordering - not bad, eh. Em, how does a mountain get to civilisation?;-)  --Bill Reid | Talk 11:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your support. I didn't know you had prior convictions in the energy field. You are probably right about WP:SCO but my contributions are so eclectic I can see it's going to be tricky getting others through the hoop too. Right now is probably not the best time for me to recommend FAC or otherwise, but its certainly a bit different. I am in visiting an old friend of course (Arthur's Seat) and they have computers here and everything although the cash is running out! BM —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben MacDui (talk • contribs) 18:17, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks to you. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

British monarch's forebearers
Hello Billreid; I agree about the List of English monarchs article (it should end at 1707, with Queen Anne). However, I've ran into resistance there. An editor is claiming -England overtook Scotland- in 1707; where in fact England & Scotland were united as 'Great Britain'. GoodDay 14:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Scotland locator map: the saga continues...
I've read Template:Location map and it says an Equirectangular projection map must be used. To that end, I've sqwooshed SFC9394's map some more and come up with this, which is equirectangular. Conversely, u might want to consider the same projection from NASA's Visible Earth project, which can be found here. Both maps are equidistant cylindrical projection maps of Scotland from -8W to 0E, 54.5N to 61N and both are suitable for use as a locator map of Scotland using the Template:Location map. This is about as far as I can go technically: anything more, and you'll have to get some experts in. Hope that helps, Anameofmyveryown 04:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC).
 * Your reply [here]
 * If by "the last one I did before this" you mean this Mercator one, then yes, it would still render inaccurate red dots. I thought Template:Location map could cope with Mercator projection. It can't. My apologies. As for this equirectangular one, it would work perfectly, but I take your point about it looking funny. A version you may find more acceptable can be found here: it's an equirectangular projection stretched 150% vertically. This 150% vertical stretch is the solution adopted for the Russia location map, and an example of its usage can be found at Cherepovets. Since the distortion is constant (unlike Mercator), I think Template:Location map will cope. I've written all this up and you can find it at User:Anameofmyveryown/Gallery/Scotland. Hope that helps, Anameofmyveryown 05:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC).
 * Your reply here
 * It's quicker to do than to explain. So I changed the map, using the 150% stretch. I've checked Lewis, Lerwick, Kirkwall, Dundee, Brodick and Aberdeen. They all work. See for yourself. If you can't see the red dot, there's a Commons cache problem (see here), and you have to press this to get the red dot from commons. Hope I don't get in trouble for the unilateral map switch, but I've been working on this for 6-7 weeks now and I wanted to get it fixed before my Internet access expires at the end of Sept. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 04:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your reply here
 * Please see here for my response. If you wish to respond, please do so there instead of on my talk page. Anameofmyveryown 00:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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Yeah its a shame, but I'm not to worried, sometimes a fresh start can be a good thing! Jonathan Oldenbuck 08:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Of course. Great work on Dryburgh Abbey btw. You didn't get any pictures from those books btw? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 19:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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HMS Lossie deletion
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Clarify
Why ain't I allowed to re-indent my own posting, at Royal Burial Ground? What have I done wrong? GoodDay (talk) 18:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't know fixing my indent had such an effect. I adjusted my indent so our three posts wouldn't seem as one. Ps- No need to apologies (I wasn't upset), though it was swell of you. Thanks. GoodDay (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

the son of a dog has own article
I finally decided to kick that son of a dog Karl Hundason out of Macbeth and into an article of his own. I think you have some tucked away somewhere on Karl. All yours! Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Rollback?
Hello Bill, Happy New Year! There's a new (well, new to non-admins) rollback feature that makes it easier to revert vandalism. Would you like me to enable it for you? Just let me know, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Albin
Thanks for that. I'd had actually thought I'd seen the back of that article, but someone nominated it for GA, and I had to work on it again. Currently trying to work on Walter de Coventre, a bishop of Dunblane. BTW, do you have a copy of Watt's Fasti Ecclesiae? If not, I can write a list of the Deans of Moray ... which I notice are absent from the Elgin Cathedral article. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 21:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Went and created the article, Dean of Moray. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 00:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Andrew Forman
That info was added in this edit by User:Davidforman. The specific date and the phraseology "Baron John Moncreiff" suggests he got it from somewhere. Maybe he was doing primary research, who knows. Nothing in Keith, Dowden, Liber S. Marie de Dryburgh, Balfour Paul,etc. I've looked for it in all the normal sources, nothing, though Janet appears now and then. On biographer writes
 * "There is, too, in the archbishop s will, which named no relative who was his son or daughter, a testimony, if indirect, to his decency of conduct" The archbishops of St. Andrews (Volume 2) (1907-1915), p. 220.

The ODNB says "He had an illegitimate daughter, Jane, recorded in 1519, but his heir and executor was his brother Robert, to whom he had earlier transferred the commendatorship of Pittenweem". So it's quite possible that loads of authors miss Beatrice/Beatrix, but if they omit it, then wikipedia should feel comfortable omitting it too. Better to omit than risking misinforming. Regards. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 03:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So, are you saying that Jane (Jonet?) is not necessarily his daughter? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 10:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Janet is "little Jane"; not sure about late medieval Scots, but in many languages these forms are interchangable (c/f Ronaldo and Ronaldinho). My competence for Scottish historical matters after the reign of James I is severely limited, but I'll have a look for you in the sources I do have. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 10:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Tried and failed so far. I've got a brother called Adam Forman, standard-bearer of the king at Flodden (The archbishops of St. Andrews (Volume 2), p. 6, n. 1), a brother called John (Ibid, p. 13), and a brother called Robert (Ibid, p. 219), all of whom you presumably know about already. The ODNB says he was the son of Nicholas Forman of Hatton and Janet Blackadder, so if Christine McGladderty is reliable, our citation shy wiki editor is not. There was a Nicholas Forman who was Archdeacon of Teviotdale who got provision to the archdeaconry 1478 × 1479 (is this his father?), but died before the papal letters got issued (Watt & Murray, Fasti Ecclesiae (2003), p. 230). Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 11:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Bill, I see you're working on a list of secular colleges. Needed indeed. In case you don't know, virtually all the info you seek is in Cowan & Easson, Medieval Religious Houses (most details), Watt & Murray, Fasti Ecclesiae (provosts), & Cowan, Medieval Parishes of Scotland (parish allocation; hard to get hold of, but irreplaceable). You may know this already, but I just thought I'd say. Good luck, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 11:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that. I've actually got Watt's Medieval Church Councils, and funnily enough I've was just reading it the other day. I don't think it'll give you much relevant info in regards to that article, but it's interesting nevertheless. Regarding tweaks, atm I'd say the dates and founder should have different columns. Are you, btw, planning to have articles for each of these colleges individually? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 16:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Holds
Thanks for letting me know that. Of course, in my opinion the changes necessary aren't substantive but more cosmetic, things to make the article more readable. If you know somone from a related wikiproject who would be willing to take on the work, we could get them promoted much faster. Let me know if someone takes it up...otherwise, I'll leave the hold for fourteen days instead of the customary seven. -- jackturner3 (talk) 16:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: [edit] Alexander Bur
The 2003 edition? You should know that is full of typo-errors introduced by the update, even over old things. I have to keep the old edition along side and mark mistakes with a pencil. Very frustrating! Anyways, in this case the info is the same in both editions. In the Dictionary, Watt says that he was "prov.[ided] by pope, 23 Dec 1362 ... he cannot have been consecrated at Avignon as remembered in Moray tradition (Moray Reg., 359-60; c/f Dowden, Bishops, p. 153, n. 2). His argument is that he can't very well have been consecrated a week before his papal provision. Looking at Dowden, the dating of Dec 23 depends on which day St Lucy's day fell in 1362. Dowden puts it on a Tuesday, giving Moray Reg. date as Dec. 17, but he also implies it could have fallen on Wednesday, which would put his consecration on Dec. 23. Although Dowden's reasoning goes beyond my knowledge, that would put his consecration on the same day as his provision. Unfortunately, a papal document dated Jan 4 1363 still styles him "Bishop-elect". A comprehensible ref for this is in Dictionary, p. 68 ... but those familiar with Fasti Ecclesiae can figure this out too from the Fasti Ecclesiae ... it's the reason for Jan 4/9 in "cons. by pope 4/9 Jan. x 7 Feb., from which those translating Watt's concise style into English will also work out that Feb 7 is the date when he is first attested as a consecrated bishop (presumably Jan 9 is an alternative pos. date for the Jan 4 document!). :) The tradition in at the time the Moray Registrum was composed doesn't compete with contemporary Avignon based papal records about an event at Avignon, but anything's possible I suppose. Thanks for the GA nom. request btw! Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 21:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. Didn't appreciate that the new Fasti was so inaccurate but that explains why you always use the 1969 2nd draft version! Cheers,
 * That's more to do with the fact that I didn't get the 2003 edition 'til a few months ago! Sorry 'bout that penalty btw ... was really unfortunate! Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 20:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Branderburgh and Stotfield articles
I agree with you about the Articles realting to Branderburgh and Stotfield. I just thought I would link to them from the Lossiemouth page so someone would notice they exist and give them the chance to improve them before I requested their deletion. Darryl.matheson (talk) 22:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you are right about some articles needed to be deleted for example Ashgrove, Moray. I thought when I created the Moray places template It would be perfectly simple to list all the places in Moray, there are however numerous places I have never heard of and some I have heard of like Stotfield which I knew were not really still in existence, but they are still listed as places here So I don't know whether they should be on the template or not and that is without mentioning the numerous places like Unthank, Moray which are in existence but which have very short articles probably because they are very small places and probably not really worthy of note, maybe this template should only list larger places. I was just wondering what you thought because I don't know which to list and which not to. Darryl.matheson (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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Lossiemouth
Hello,

Just wondered if you'd considered taking Lossiemouth to WP:GAC? It looks like it has the potential. I've taken Neilston through GA and now at WP:FAC. Lossiemouth is comprehensive but a little jumbled; I think WP:UKCITIES could help with organisation. Just thought I'd give you a nudge about it! Hope that helps, -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:David
If I remember correctly, the Inverness thing is uncertain. From memory, there is no explicit evidence of the place's existence until William's reign. See note 116. That only covers the burghs of course ... but I assume the assumption is that one goes with the other. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 15:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Unthank, Moray
Among my messages on the talk page, yours slipped by. The coordinates on the article are accurate. Click on them, then click on the OS get a map, use the tab to move out one level of view and there she is in all her glory, courtesy of Her Majesty's Government. Cheers, Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

As you saying that the OS's map is wrong? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Did you zoom out one level? It's there. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You are prolly right ...
... when you said He does spend far too much time in WP than is good for him. Only this night I had a dream that I was applying to do a PhD at the "University of Moray" and you were the admissions officer. You rejected my application because I thought Freskin was Flemish! When that starts to happen, I think one has serious issues! Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 07:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no "University of Moray" either, just a dream. I thought you'd changed your mind about it anyways. Just put it down to my sub-conscious being a bit loopy. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 18:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Morayshire Railway
I see you've replaced the Reference contents with shorthand templates. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that I'm using a system of in-line citations with shortened references to the books. Your system doesn't allow this so the citations have become meaningless - unless that is there is a way round this that I don't know about. Also you've replaced the with the less good. Would appreciate an explanation. Rgds, Bill Reid | Talk 19:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * See the previous discussion at Talk:Morayshire Railway. As you have substantially expanded the number of references, I have put the back. I have no idea what it is meant to do and why it is better and there is not effect on what I am seeing displayed.


 * Surprised by your citation method, as the usual (as I have seen when writing technical papers) is Author + date, followed by page. Short form title is definitely a new one on me. I do not agree that the citation have become meaningless. --Stewart (talk) 21:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Templates required tweaking - now done - although your citation method is not a common one. --Stewart (talk) 20:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sorting this out for me. I note that someone has pointed out the reason for  .  It not only sets up the number of columns you want but it reduces the font size slightly.  If, as you are, are using IE then it shows up just as does, so no harm done.  The citation method used is fairly commonly used by some historians where they list an abbreviated version of the citatation in a table either at the beginning of a book or at the back. Rgds, Bill Reid | Talk 10:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Buchan & the Wolf
I like your map and the way you're improving your Elgin and Wolf articles. Regarding the map though, am I not correct in thinking that the earldom of Buchan had been pretty much torn to pieces by the time the Wolf got it? I think the earldom of Buchan in that map reflects the Comyn era earldom rather than the more recent one. I'll need to investigate further though. Did the Companion to Britain in the Later Middle Ages give that territory? All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 15:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I checked on the Atlas of Scottish History to 1707, p. 203 (author Sandy Grant), and the earldom of Buchan in 1405 consists of three dots. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 17:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I got the impression somewhere a while ago that it'd already been pretty much done before the Wolf, and that the bestowal of the title on him was just to glitz him up. Thanks for the Fasti. Will investigate! Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 13:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: User page
No problem! Mine is borrowed from elements of about 4 user pages I liked anyway. It's far from original! Thanks for the contact though! -- Jza84 · (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Translations of Castles
Hello. I am participating so that we get a better Scotland Portal on the french wikipedia, by translating a bunch of articles from the english one (I translate it better than I write it hopefully...). So far, I have translated around 15 castles (basically we had only 5 castles for the whole Scotland before...) and I keep doing some more from time to time. I was wondering if you could just leave me a message whenever you know that there has been some nice improvements on the page of a castle, so that I can maybe modify the translation accordingly. That would also be great if the people contributing on the english wikipedia could have their photos of castle in the Commons, so that I can use them directly in my translations.

On the french side, you can find my by searching Utilisateur:Philippe Giabbanelli. Then, you can just gimme the names of the castles for which there has been changes in the Discussion part. Thanks if you can take the time to do so!

''Thanks. I was already based on the list of castles that you gave me, but it's indeed a good source.''

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.31.206 (talk) 08:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Neilston
Thanks!

It was hard (being a rather dull village) but I had to get it to FA! I haven't been there for well over twenty years too, although I think it gave me the chance to look at it a little more objectively.

I have roots in Strathblane and Tarbert and I may think about tackling them too in a simillar way in the not too distant future. Thanks again though, it's nice to have the work recognised! -- Jza84 · (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Bishop David de Moray
David de Moray was a brother of Sir Andrew de Moray of Petty and Sir William de Moray of Bothwell, and an uncle of Andrew the younger, the victor of Stirling Bridge (not, as you said in the revision of the Andrew Moray article, an uncle of Sir Andrew de Moray). The source you cited stated this, but not what you inserted into the article. It's an easy mistake to make - with both father and son being called Andrew - and I have revised the article to present the correct relationship. Jaygtee (talk) 23:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

RE:Elgin Cathedral
I hope some good copy-editor comes along for it. You could maybe ask User:Malleus Fatuarum nicely to copy-edit it, or look over it. He's pretty good at that. As for old Walter, well, not getting much attention. In fairness, it's prolly the most boring B+ article I've written. The guy is of little historical important and did little interesting compared with, say, Jocelin or Clement. So I'm not surprised it's not filling the FAC crowd with adrenaline. Happy Easter btw. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 08:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No probs. If you've no time to rush, then it'll be ok being left at LoC for a while. BTW, do you think Bernard of Kilwinning is at the right location? Tough one to dab you see ... mmm ... Best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 12:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I start - though only when very tired - giving your Elgin article a c-e in my userspace last night. One near immediate problem I spotted was the Cathedral church at Elgin section, which has a sentence about David, then goes straight to Sandy Bur. Has a paragraph got lost somewhere? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 10:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It was lost, good! I'll add the restored material to my userspace. I'm gonna give it a good copyedit later in my userspace. It actually needs it more than I thought. I'll also leave some comments after I've copyedited it. All the bestest, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 12:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: My doppelganger account
Hello. I'm deleting user pages for users that don't exist. (WP:CSD) When you "created" these doppelganger accounts, you forgot one key step -- registering the accounts so no one else could. : - ) If the accounts are created, I can either restore the pages or you can simply re-create them. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)