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Lossiemouth work
Hi! I was just reading through the article on Lossiemouth that you've done so much work on and I wanted to commend you on the quality and amount of work that you've put in to it. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! -Kuzaar 18:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Lossiemouth
Bill, you seem to be having fun with the Lossiemouth article! Could I advise that you should seek not to include in the article content which should be (and often is) on another article. This would refer particularly to the Notable Lossie-ites section, where I think you should have a bullet point list of people (start each entry with a * ) each entry of which is a link to the self-standing article.

I've taken out a lot of whitespace. You have many images in the article: I suspect you need to start rationing yourself, or else put together a gallery of images somewhere at the foot of the page, or the end of each section, using

Please do not leave lots of whitespace (i.e. multiple blank lines) in the article. There's no good reason for doing so - it merely points to a poorly formatted article.

Have fun! best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * And looking at what you;re doing now, I'd advise a as line one of the article to get rid of the Table of Comments, until you get the format & sectioning better under control. As I said, adding lots of blank lines is not an option. I can think of no other article on the wikipedia that has to resort to this expedient, and it is making the page look decidedly odd.


 * And you might think of moving the text from the articles on the types of boats out to their own articles, and listing them on Template:Sailing vessels and rigs. (Ditto the disaster paragraph). The point here is that articles should be on the subject matter of the title. Thus we do not expect to find descriptions of sailing vessels on the Lossiemouth page, but instead pointers from the Lossiemouth page (e.g. over the centuries many types of boats were used in Lossiemouth, such as A, B], C &c) to the substantive pages on these vessels. Similarly, we do want self-standing articles on each of the ship types. You follow? --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * Thanks Bill. You've put in an enormous amount of work, and I take my hat off to you for this. I hope it will span over several articles. And the photos are very welcome, too. Other than galleries, I've never seen a really satisfactory solution to displying lots of photos on a page; and the infobox on the top left of the page is very much in the way when it comes to photos. I think you are exceptional in having made about 400 edits to a single page, and about 4 to other pages; time for you to branch out :) I take it you're familiar with how to make a new page (e.g. by inserting a link to it in the Lossiemouth article, to form a redlink which can then be followed). Best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * Put the line at the top of the page. It's obscure, but it works. --Tagishsimon (talk)

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 * Looks like OrphanBot errored. Your image was tagged . Who knows. I've let the Bot's owner know .Meanwhile, congratulations on the recent changes to Lossie & to the Scottish fishing article into which you decanted the fishing vessels. I've put the RAF Lossiemouth / HMS hood info on the RAF Lossiemouth page, so you might want to trim that bit back. And the Stotfield (?) Disaster ... I'd advise you to make a new article of that - gives you more space for lossie images; and you can point back to it from the Stotfield (?) section in the Lissie article. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

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 * When I asked about this, I got the response "OrphanBot is correct. The image needs source information (who created it, when, and when it was published) in order to verify that the PD-old tag is correct." And I think what they're pointing to is that you've uploaded the image, used a PD-old tag for it, but have not supplied any information on where the image came from, to corroborate the PD-old tag. If you know, perhaps the best thing to do would be to cite the source of the image - the book it was scanned from, or whatever, in the image description page. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Scottish Fishery articles
Hello Bill, I see you have been doing some excellent work on these articles, good to see. I have been toying with the idea of working up some new articles on the Skaffie, Baldie and Zulu for some time now. There is already a decent article on the Fifie. I suspect your knowledge in this area is infinitely better than mine so I wondered if you would like to take the lead on this?

Also, as Tagishsimon pointed out, there is some duplication in your articles with the content of other existing articles such as the Fifie. In such cases it is useful to keep content to a summary level, and provide a link to the main article by using the template main. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on articles for the other boat types. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  10:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Bill, fishing is not really my area of expertise, but from my research so far I think it's probably correct that the Skaffie and Fifie were the two predominant fishing boat types on the east coast, and further tinkering with designs produced the Baldie and Zulu towards the end of the 19th century - correct me if I'm wrong. My thoughts at the moment are that the Fifie article is perfectly good to stand alone and the Skaffie is probably worth breaking out into it's own article. The other two could probably remain in the Scottish east coast fishery article in the Fishing Boat Development section, I'm not sure that there's enough information to warrant separate articles. Thoughts welcome. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  17:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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Lossie
Bill, you blanked the talk page on Lossie. Apparantly that's bad form; talk should not be blanked or deleted, but left as a history. And archived if the page gets too big. I've reverted it.

FYI, these "source and creator" messages you're getting. There does seem to be a move to specify on the image page what the source of the images was (e.g. self-taken), to weed out images where people are "borrowed" a copyrighted image and stuck a CC or GFDL licence on it. You'd be advised to revisit your images and state their origin, lest they start getting deleted. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)


 * It's the images listed on this page that orphanbot is whinging about, not the census stuff. And the same will apply, I guess, to all of your photos.

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Pages listed on Categories for deletion
Discussion on CFD - proposal to merge all subcats of Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Scottish constituencies up into the main cat. Relevant categories which would be deleted are:

I think that this is a rather important discussion for editors interested in Scotland-related articles, especially Scottish politics and Scottish biographical articles (particularly local history). Please have a read and ponder, and contribute to the debate if you like. Thanks. --Mais oui! 17:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It would also be relevant in this context to consider the discussions in the parent category for the UK parliament: Category talk:British MPs. I find it regrettable that Mais oui! has engaged in a restructuring of that category without entering into the discussions there.  --BrownHairedGirl 18:02, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Scotland

 * Pre-script: we are currently undergoing peer review, see: Peer review/Scotland.

I am beginning to think that the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board is not the best vehicle for pushing up the quality of the Scotland article (we ought to try to get it to WP:FA, in order to get into Version 0.5, or, failing that, Version 1.0), and the other key Scottish articles. It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that we really ought to start up the long-mooted WikiProject Scotland.

Most of the stuff at the notice board (at least on the bottom half) is actually WikiProject material anyway, and the Talk page is really being used as a WikiProject talk already! The notice board should be just that: for bunging up brief notices and signposts. I am thinking of launching a Wikiproject and correspondingly radically clearing out, and chopping down, the noticeboard (a re-launch if you like). The Scotland Portal concept is fine (but currently mediocre/undynamic content), but in stasis: it needs a good kick up the jacksie.

For comparison, have a look at:
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And, if you are at a loose end, have a look at: Thoughts? Please express them here. --Mais oui! 20:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
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 * Hi. Thank you for adding a more specific tag, however you still haven't stated a specific source, i.e. the url. I've replaced the nosource tag. Mark83 15:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Stats error?
You say fishing accounted for 0.01% (362 individuals) of the full-time employment of Moray. So there are 3,620,000 jobs in Lossie. Big town... --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * Simon, thanks again for for your input. the 0.01 should have been multiplied by 100. However I have made about Lossie now rather than Moray.

How far?
You say Inverness Airport and Aberdeen Airport offer a wide range of destinations. You might want to say Inverness Airport (30 miles away) and Aberdeen Airport (45 miles away) offer a wide range of destinations.. Clearly you'd hve to have a clue as to how far away this pair is. --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * Again Simon, good point - comment above was me but forgot to sign it! --Billreid 18:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I guessed ;) --Tagishsimon (talk)

Timeline
No problem; thanks! I had always wanted to use the timeline functionality, and your GIF timeline was an open invitation. I'm thankful to you that you adopted it & sorted out the issues in it. I'm sure we'll do more business together on Lossie - it's good but it certainly isn't there yet. I'll tell you what I'm thinking when I've thought it through - but in essence I'm sure there's more info that could be added. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Elgin, Moray - Experimental re-ordering of paragraphs
I've reordered the paras in Elgin, mainly to get the big tables to the bottom of the page, and promote the history section. Revert it if you like, or apply it to Lossie. Or tinker. Or whatever --Tagishsimon (talk)
 * Yep, I think History needs to be promoted so I have made first main section now, but the placing of the Climate and Demograhics just don't feel right right down at the bottom below Sport etc, so I've taken them up again. I will also move the History at Lossie up as well. Cheers --Billreid 15:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

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Following a successful period of consultation WikiProject Scotland has now been launched. As a participant in the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board I wonder if you may be interested in this new endeavour too? If so, please sign-up here. The WikiProject will be replacing some of the functions of the notice board, especially those in the lower half.

While I am here, please also have a look at the new WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scotland and give it a "Watch". It was started up by User:Visviva a few days ago, after long being mooted at the notice board, and effectively replaces all the AfD listings at the notice board. Being a transclusion of all the on-going discussions it is a much more useful tool.

Even if you do not want to spend too much time on the WikiProject, please give it a "Watch" and feel free to contribute to Talk page discussions: the more contributors the merrier.

All the best. --Mais oui! 11:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxing
I am thinking of using your "Moray" 'stand-alone' (template-independent) infobox model in other articles about Scottish council areas, "Highland" and "Western Isles" (sorry - that last ref is via a redirect) to start with. Generally, I am less than happy with the template-dependent infoboxes that tend now to appear in council area articles - because they assume or impose a sense of a degree of uniformity which does not really exist. Also, I am a bit busy elsewhere just now, and I guess I really wouldnt mind if you (or whoever) got a bit ahead of me on creating stand-alone infoboxes in council area articles. Laurel Bush 13:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC).

Google books
Just a head's up, if you;re short of info for Lossie or Elgin. I've started mining Google Books - e.g. for some of my articles. There might be some gems of interest to you. Or not. The "full view books" are all out of copyright. --Tagishsimon (talk)

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Scottish Fairground culture editathon
Hey there! As a Wikipedian in Scotland I thought you might be interested in the Scottish Fairground Culture editathon taking place on 7 May at the Riverside Museum - drop me a line if you'd like to know more, or if you'd be interested in taking part remotely! Lirazelf (talk) 13:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, linkfail! Here's the correct one... Scottish Fairground Culture Editathon Lirazelf (talk) 09:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)