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Working Definition:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=SLMGmSbQm4EC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=%22working+definition+of+antisemitism%22&ots=dp1M2HsQ2z&sig=vkPjNH2Rg5cCdi1MLGX7hXPPb5M#v=onepage&q=%22working%20definition%20of%20antisemitism%22&f=false https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Parliamentary+Inquiry+into+Antisemitism+in+Canad&oq=Parliamentary+Inquiry++into+Antisemitism+in+Canad&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Contemporary+Global+Antisemitism+report+to+Congress&oq=Contemporary+Global+Antisemitism+report+to+Congress&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GmVKDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=Alexander+Pollak+antisemitism&source=bl&ots=qOAx0AnYok&sig=8Nnro2FjcW8UHO3N8B9ntyVgMaU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji1sH2oa7dAhXt4IUKHQMrCL8Q6AEwCHoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=pollak&f=false

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GmVKDQAAQBAJ&dq=Alexander+Pollak+antisemitism&source=gbs_navlinks_s

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=O-MoDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP9&dq=%22working+definition+of+antisemitism%22&ots=cqkgcQoreR&sig=xEivb0ZIqo8YH5DtiujLxKND5tc#v=onepage&q=%22working%20definition%20of%20antisemitism%22&f=false https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Anti-Zionism+as+Racism%3A+Campus+Anti-Semitism+and+the+Civil+Rights+Act+of+1964&oq=Anti-Zionism+as+Racism%3A+Campus+Anti-Semitism+and+the+Civil+Rights+Act+of+1964&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Syria/US relations
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/washington/10military.html?pagewanted=all&mtrref=en.wikipedia.org

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/03/09DAMASCUS179.html

Labour and antisemitism
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41806170?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

SWP comment
The following, apparently well-sourced, couple of sentences on major issues facing the party in 2013 has been edited out with the explanation "Removed outdated, now irrelevant speculation": It also formed an alliance with George Galloway and Respect, the dissolution of which in 2007 caused an internal crisis in the SWP. A more serious internal crisis emerged at the beginning of 2013 over allegations of rape and sexual assault made against a leading member of the party. The SWP's handling of these accusations against the individual known as Comrade Delta led to a significant decline in the party's membership. Additional reliable sources could be added easily if the current ones are insufficent. The mainstream sourcing and significance for party membership (including the departure of several noteworthy members ) suggests this is noteworthy, as does on-going reporting    and several mainstream opinion pieces over the years.

The Canary
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 * Comment: I'm having a look at Google scholar to see what academics say about The Canary. It's difficult, because "the canary" is not a very easy search term so needs to be combined with other terms such as "media" and still takes time to find the references. I'm adding some of these to our article on the website. Here are the first few I've found:
 * General reputation for hyper-partisan reporting and sensationalism:
 * Leeds University political scientist Jonathan Dean wrote in the peer-reviewed Sage journal Politics in 2020 that "websites such as Evolve Politics, Skwawkbox and The Canary have aped a more tabloid style, with short, punchy headlines and an often rather sensationalised style of reporting. The Canary, in particular, has faced criticism for its highly partisan presentation of political news stories, with critics often deeming it symptomatic of the rise of so-called ‘fake news’".
 * Three UK media studies scholars from three different universities in 2018 in New Media and Society: "In the fallout from the 2017 UK general election there was much discussion about the growth of sensationalism in online political news as a result of the popularity of new, ideologically-slanted news sites such as, for example, Breitbart UK and Westmonster on the right and the Canary and Evolvepolitics on the left."
 * A 2018 Routledge book on new media and journalism by two journalism lecturers: "If there was a British equivalent of Breitbart it would be The Canary... It is a simplification to say hyperpartisan news is automatically fake news. What unites these sites is a commitment to report stories that they believe that mainstream media ignores. In this respect, they see a role of expanding media plurality and provide a platform for alternative voices. Kerry-Anne Mendoza, Canary editor, states the site's aims: 'Today, a handful of powerful moguls control our mainstream media. As such, its coverage is largely conservative. But we have created a truly independent and viable alternative. One that isn t afraid to challenge the status quo, to ask the hard questions, and to have an opinion.' (Canary n.d.) Their skilled use of social media optimisation when promoting stories on social media has meant their stories are often widely shared. In some respects they share the traditions of journalism, e.g. they usually seek to break exclusive stories and expand the public debate. But with a strong commitment to a particular political cause their reporting is by definition one sided." (chapter 3)
 * Specific examples of misleading reporting:
 * Leicester Uni (and now Kings College London) scholar on digital media Daniel Allington, in the specialist Elsevier journal Discourse, Context & Media in 2018 gives an example of misleading reporting: "both the pro-Corbyn online tabloid The Canary and the website of the Israel-critical organisation, Jews for Justice for Palestinians, presented the research positively but reported it selectively in order to create the false impression that the finding was that only those on the political right were likely to be a problem for British Jews (see JFJFP, 2017, Micner, 2017). This was in effect a denial of racism."
 * Labour Party scholar Tim Bale, professor of politics at Queen Mary University, wrote about the Portland Comms conspiracy theory: "McCluskey suggested that these sinister forces could be linked to the public relations firm Portland Communications – an organisation which he claimed had clear links with Tony Blair and the Labour right. This conspiracy theory was largely drawn from an article published on the pro-Corbyn website The Canary that (falsely, as it turned out) argued that the firm had been directly behind the attempted coup (see Topple, 2016). " BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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Black socialism
George W. Woodbey Hubert Harrison Claude McKay Williana Burroughs Chandler Owen A. Philip Randolph Frank Crosswaith Negro Labor Committee Richard B. Moore Wilfred Adolphus Domingo George Schuyler Ella Baker Orval Faubus Combahee River Collective Bernice Johnson Reagon

Jimmy Dore
[Stranded content:] In 2021, a conspiracy theory which falsely claims that Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez lied about her past employment as a bartender originated on The Jimmy Dore Show. In an interview with Paula Jean Swearengin, Swearengin incorrectly claimed that Ocasio-Cortez was actually the co-owner of the bar she worked at. Following Dore's video, this claim spread on social media and was repeated by other political YouTubers.

CounterPunch
We can find lots of reliable sources, including major scholars of antisemitism, describing at as using dog whistle antisemitism or engaging in the denial and minimisation of antisemitism, including using such terms to describe the editors' own positions and those of books it has published (e.g. by Michael Neumann or Cockburn and St Clair) as well as op eds.  The question is whether this is enough to deprecate. These are just opinion pieces that we shouldn't use for facts anyway and which would not likely be due as this isn't a reliable source. But if there is a consist editorial policy to promote (or even deny) antisemitism that might push into deprecation territory. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. I still haven't !voted and am still unsure how to. The argument for deprecation is that There are two arguments I can see against deprecation. First, several editors have argued that CP is effectively a SPS: an essentially un-edited platform for hosting opinions, where we should take each citation on a case by case basis. I'm not convinced by this argument, as it doesn't publish just anything; it publishes material which fits with its editorial worldview, i.e. contrarian/muckraking/anti-establishment, whether from the left (mainly) or from the libertarian/populist/paleocon right. I think this means it has an active preference for material which might include a conspiracy theory content. Second, some editors have pointed out that it publishes a significant number of contributions from notable authors, some of whom are experts in their fields. Some of this content is definitely DUE for inclusion in our articles, and a couple of editors have given strong evidence here of USEBYOTHERS showing this. I find this convincing, which is why I !voted 3+ rather than 4 in the original RfC. (Of course, not all of the apparent USEBYOTHERS is a "citation" in the strict sense. For example, among the citations Zero has listed above is Anthony Julius, Trials of the Diaspora, Oxford Univ Press, which cites Oren Ben-Dor, ‘The silencing of Oren Ben-Dor’, Counterpunch, 15–16 March 2008, but this turns out to be Julius sharply criticising Ben-Dor as a Holocaust denier and antisemite. Similarly, among the citations on JStor are examples of writers identifying their edited collection The Politics of Anti- Semitism or articles by Tariq Ali among others as antisemitic. Nonetheless, it's undeniable there are CounterPunch articles taken seriously by serious sources.) Here, the question would be the extent to which being deprecated enables careful use of these more noteworthy CounterPunch articles, or if it precludes it and therefore would be inappropriate. I would urge the closer to either keep it deprecated but make it clear that some exceptions should be made for noteworthy (i.e. referred to by RSs) contributions, particularly those by relevant experts, or to rule it generally unreliable, but make it clear that a large amount of content goes beyond normal general unreliability into dangerous disinformation territory so more care should be taken than with typical generally unreliable sources.

Grayzone
Coda Story "far-left news site"; Washington Post "far-left media outlet"; Diplomat "far-left website"; Unherd "far-Left news site" (this is an opinion article on a contrarian opinion site - I would avoid using); Telegraph "controversial far-left news website", Irish Times "far-left website"; Times "far-left website"; MMFA "Far-left conspiracy theory outlet"; Telex "a far-left news website noted for pushing conspiracy theories, ... best known for its support of authoritarian regimes, denial of the Uyghur genocide, and an explicitly pro-Kremlin perspective on Russian events"; WNG "a far-left news site founded by Max Blumenthal that positions itself against U.S. interventionist foreign policy. The site also supports the Assad regime in Syria, questioning accusations of the Syrian president’s abuses; backs Venezuela’s dictator Nicolas Maduro; and claims Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protesters are backed by the CIA"; Jewish Chronicle "known for its pro-Kremlin editorial line and its support for the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and has published content denying that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against civilians"

Katchanovski
Deleted refs to check.

Ukrainian journalists

 * Killed: Oleksandra Kuvshynova, Brent Renaud, Evgen Sakun, Pierre Zakrzewski.


 * Detained/disappeared: Viktoriya Roschina Oleh Baturin, Maks Levin, Mikhail Kumok Yevgeniya Boryan, Yuliya Olkhovska and Lyubov Chaika

SCW belligerents
Pro-Assad:
 * Vanguard for the Popular Liberation War
 * Amal Movement (denied by Amal)
 * PFLP–GC
 * Liwa al-Quds
 * Galilee Forces
 * Fatah al-Intifada
 * Emblem of the Palestine Liberation Army.svg Palestine Liberation Army
 * Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas
 * Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine
 * Free Palestine Movement
 * 🇮🇶 LAAG
 * Liwa Fatemiyoun
 * Hazrat-e Abolfazl Brigade
 * Liwa Zainebiyoun
 * Fulfilled Legion
 * Al-Baggara tribe militias
 * 🇪🇬 Egypt

Engdahl
He has been described by James Kirchick in Time magazine as being a "crank 'historian", by the Genetic Literacy Project as a "conspiracy theorist", and by the Centre for the Analysis of the Radical Right (CARR) as a "LaRouchite fascist" and "Holocaust denier", CARR has documented his close connections to the conspiracy theory organisation GlobalResearch, the far-right Lyndon LaRouche movement and Alexander Dugin's Eurasianist movement.

Maram Susli
WP:ABOUTSELF from LinkedIn (i.e. usable for "uncontroversial self-description.": Freelance gigs listed:
 * She has contributed to publications such as the New Eastern Outlook and media outlets including RT, Press TV, and Al Mayadeen. Susli has appeared as a guest on Satellite News channels France24, SkyNews, Al Mayadeen, Indus News as well as George Galloway’s Mother of all talk shows
 * Conference contributions listed:
 * World Online Conference on Multipolarity (April 29, 2023)
 * 4th Western Australia Computational Chemistry Conference (December 2-3 2021)
 * Schiller Institute Conference (March 20 2021)
 * 2nd Western Australia Computational Chemistry Conference (November 13, 2019)
 * Internationale Friedenspolitik Kongress Brandherd Syrien (October 22 2016)
 * Kongress Verteidiger Europas Forum Linz (October 28 2016)
 * Sputnik, Al-Mayadeen, GlobalResearch, New Eastern Outlook

(WP:RSOPINION)
 * Postol and Susli both appeared on a podcast run by the Holocaust “revisionist” Ryan Dawson


 * Even though there appears to be mainstream acceptance of Postol’s criticism, he also has affiliations with fringe individuals, appearing in YouTube videos with 9/11 conspiracy theorist Ryan Dawson, and (along with Richard Lloyd) assisting Assad propagandist Maram Susli in her attempts to disprove allegations of Syrian President Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons in August 2013. Both also assisted Seymour Hersh in his widely criticized Ghouta articles. When questioned over Susli’s alleged Holocaust denial, Postol said “When I got statements from outside people saying she was a Holocaust denier, quite frankly I wasn’t going to ask her”.


 * On his YouTube channel, Gage has hosted anti-Semitic pundits and white nationalist pundits, including E. Michael Jones, Jean-François Gariépy, Kevin MacDonald, Adam Green, Ryan Dawson, and Tomislav Sunić, and conspiracy theorist Maram Susli.


 * Susli herself has far right sympathies, appearing on podcasts hosted by [David] Duke and having been interviewed by [Richard] Spencer and Lana Lokteff.

(considered RS by fr.wikipedia)
 * Dans une interview accordée au complotiste Ryan Dawson en 2014 au sujet de la jeune blogueuse [Susli], le chercheur du MIT [Postol] lâche sans sourciller : « Je savais qu’elle était chimiste car je la suivais sur Twitter. Je pouvais voir à sa voix qu’elle était une chimiste aguerrie ».


 * Espousing baseless theories about 911 and more, [Susli] has appeared on the podcast of former KKK leader David Duke as well as that of Ryan Dawson, who denies many aspects of the Holocaust, calling the gas chambers 'extraordinary bullshit'
 * Espousing baseless theories about 911 and more, [Susli] has appeared on the podcast of former KKK leader David Duke as well as that of Ryan Dawson, who denies many aspects of the Holocaust, calling the gas chambers 'extraordinary bullshit'

By Ear:

 * (25 citations)"many of the earliest apologists of the Khmer Rouge were leftist academics (Hildebrand and Porter 1976, Caldwell 1978, Kiernan 1977, Chomsky and Herman 1979)."


 * "This is the first book to attempt a comparison of Cambodia and Timor-Leste (East Timor) since Noam Chomsky's and Edward Herman's duets After the Cataclysm: Postwar Indochina and the Reconstruction of Imperial Ideology (South End Press 1979) and Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media (Pantheon Books 1988), neither of which were dedicated studies of comparative analysis nor particularly notable for their objectivity."

Cites Ear and Herman:
"Hildebrand and Porter and Chomsky and Herman were, along with Laura Summers,  Malcolm Caldwell  and  Ben Kiernan (who later changed his mind), part of a group committed ideologically to pro-revolutionary  narratives  focused on anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism and the superiority of communism/ socialism . DK survivor Sophal Ear states,  ‘They were so caught-up in the idea of a peasant revolution that they did not  stop and ask the peasants themselves how they liked the ride.’35 Developing a term coined by Michael  Vickery, Sophal Ear refers to this group’s narrative as the ‘Standard Total Academic View’.  They are  ‘standard’ in the sense of mainstream in their generation of  scholars or journalists in reputable left-leaning publications. (More seasoned scholars such as David Chandler  were of the previous generation,  not part of STAV.)  Historians are rightly critical of the way pre-KR Cambodia was popularly portrayed as ‘ a gentle land’ of peaceful Buddhists, ‘paradise,’ ‘a fairy tale kingdom’ of happy peasants -  an image Sihanouk deliberately cultivated. 38 Yet the STAV  scholars created an equally simplistic  fiction, constructing the KR in   ‘romantic’  terms as brave 1789-style revolutionaries battling the encroachment of American imperialism."
 * Tallyn Gray Justice and transition in Cambodia 1979-2014: process, meaning and narrative PhD thesis Westminster Law School, 2014 "The earliest document readers may have encountered in this debate is a review article by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman for the Nation in 1977. It concerns three books: [Barron and Paul]'s Murder of a Gentle Land: the Untold Story of a Communist Genocide in Cambodia; [Ponchaud's] Cambodia: Year Zero;   and [Hildebrand and Porter’s] Cambodia: Starvation and Revolution.... Rather than investigating the substantive allegations of genocide made by the authors they criticize, Chomsky and Herman use their review to discuss the perceived ideological bias of western media against communist/socialist regimes.  Indeed Hildebrand and Porter’s conclusion... chimes with the view Chomsky and Herman reiterate in Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media - that   anti-communist bias in the western media manipulates, distorts and suppresses information to suit capitalist interests. To that end, tales of communist atrocities serve to discredit leftist ideas. Chomsky and Herman state they do ‘not pretend to know where the truth lies amidst these sharply conflicting assessments.’ However, they denigrate Barron and Paul without independently verifying the facts, and are critical of the  ‘extreme unreliability of refugee reports’ and the interviews with KR survivors by Ponchaud, Barron and Paul.  The fact that Hildebrand and Porter are entirely uncritical of the DK regime appears to escape their notice..."


 * "Writing in an unpublished University of California honors dissertation (albeit given an extra half-life with the advent of digitization), as Sophal Ear (1996) explains, having first read Malcolm Caldwell, the British academic murdered in Phnom Penh on December 23, 1978, soon after meeting Pol Pot, he realized that an entire “community” of Cambodian scholars served as the Khmer Rouge’s “most effective apologists in the West.” True, but however misguided or misled in their understanding of KR behavior leading into the evocation of “killing fields” as was already being exposed by some media, they were also critical of US policy reaching back through the “Vietnam War” and so they should have been. These he labels STAV scholars, and he names them; Summers, Caldwell, Hildebrand and Porter, Chomsky and Herman, Chandler (“briefly”), and Kiernan (“deservedly”). As Ear (1996) declaimed, three works reveal how different facets of the STAV have previously been explored, namely, the first, an essay by William Shawcross (1983); the second, an essay by Stephen J. Morris published in the National Interest (Summer 1989); and the third, Gunn and Lee’s CWDU [Cambodia Watching Down Under, 1991]. As explained, Shawcross focused on the Chomsky-Herman thesis... In particular, Ear cites CWDU on the Sydney-based News from Kampuchea, noting as well the Gunn and Lee proposition that News was published “as a catalyst to the Barron-Paul book Murder of a Gentle Land (1977),” described as “the first English-language book to lambaste the Khmer revolution for its brutal excesses.” As Ear fills in, with News endeavoring “to deconstruct distortions and bias in western press coverage” on DK, it was joined by Chomsky and Herman in letters-to-the-editor, etc. In the Conclusion to Chapter 5, as Ear writes, the early works of the STAV scholars are today “remembered only in a footnote.”"


 * "in the latter half of the Khmer Rouge era, the public debate between French journalist Jean Lacouture and American academics Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman foregrounds moments of violent encapsulation and productive foreshortening. ... In their June 1977 article ‘Distortions at Fourth Hand’, Chomsky and Edward Herman analyse successive waves of scholarship and coeval media coverage around these events, examining the presence of what they term a ‘line’ in the American imaginary. By 1977, Chomsky and other leftist academics sought to pose a different question than that asked in 1975: not can but rather should these reports be believed?... Within and beyond this debate, those such as Sophal Ear identify a determination to undermine the credibility of refugee accounts of Khmer Rouge violence in the works of Chomksy, Herman, Hildebrand, Porter and others. Indeed, the castigation of refugee narratives as ‘unreliable’ or manipulative in attempting to secure survival present in several of these works is not mitigated by the now well-documented Chinese and covert American support of the Khmer Rouge as an geopolitical counter-balance to Vietnam."

Middle East Monitor

 * Jewish News: The CST [Community Security Trust] accused MEMO of peddling conspiracy theories and myths about Jews, Zionists, money and power.
 * Jewish Telegraphic Agency: On Monday afternoon, i24News, an international news cable news network based in Jaffa, reported that Corbyn visited Israel and the West Bank to meet with Hamas officials in 2010. According to the report, Corbyn, then a minor MP, was flown in by Middle East Monitor, a British organization which has accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” and whose rhetoric was described as “strikingly familiar [to] older forms of antisemitism” by the Community Security Trust, British Jewry’s anti-Semitism watchdog.


 * A professor writing for conservative thinktank Hudson Institute reporting MEMO (described as "Islamist-oriented") as promoting a conspiracy theory about red heifers, 2023.
 * The Jerusalem Post saying MEMO was one of a series of Iranian, Turkish and other Middle Eastern outlets ("anti-Israel media in the Middle East") that laundered shady rumours designed to weaken UAE and Israel, 2020.
 * Faith Matters, which I believe is a Muslim-led organisation, has an article about Middle East Eye peddling a conspiracy theory, which mentions the MEE journalist, David Hearst, writing an apologia for antisemitism in MEMO, 2019.
 * The Milli Chronicle saying that MEMO has spread an Iranian-sourced fake story about Saudi Arabia(An article shared almost 7,000 times on Middle East Monitor claims that Saudi Arabia has authorised an incorrect translation of the Quran and implies that it this was done to please Israel. The news was shared far and wide by anti-Saudi blogs and social media pages. The news however, is fake. The article claimed that the Masjid Al Aqsa was changed to “The Temple” which is the Jewish name for the third holiest site of Islam. The claims got even wilder where it was claimed that Saudi authorities allowed the name of, the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (ﷺ) to be deleted from the Quran. The source of this claim is the biggest concern. Middle East Monitor claims their source as “Shehab News Agency”, an extremist blog which was removed from Facebook in 2015 for promoting extremism and anti-Semitic content. More specifically the source is “researcher on Israeli affairs, Aladdin Ahmed” which upon closer inspection leads us to the original article from which the Middle East Monitor article seems to be taken. The Iranian website Iqna.ir which published the same story 28 hours before Middle East Monitor. They place their sources as the same video and the same individuals.) 2020.
 * Moment accuse MEMO of helping to spread a fake story about Israel and George Floyd(There were many others who claimed direct Israeli responsibility for deadly force used against African Americans. The Middle East Monitor (MEMO), a press monitoring organization that has been characterized as a group that promotes Jewish conspiracies and is pro-Hamas, circulated a cartoon of an Israeli soldier instructing an American policeman in a classroom on how to kneel on someone’s neck.) 2020.
 * Al-Jazeera noting that MEMO was one of a few outlets reporting a made-up story about an Islamist flotilla heading for Israel, 2024.
 * [Arab News and Al-Arabiya allege that MEMO published a made-up story about Emirates Airlines without any kind of verification, 2021.

JC use by others
https://archive.is/hVIPG

https://www.forbes.com/sites/imeekpo/2024/05/07/how-kendrick-lamar-challenged-drakes-cultural-identity-in-not-like-us/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68905791

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800486

https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-shut-down-pro-palestinian-gathering-over-hate-speech-concerns/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67053011