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Understanding the issue better

I do not have issues in either people indicating dirty water or ones attempting to save baby. To decide usual questions whether baby is really baby and whether water is really dirty needs nuanced approach. Dislodging of any individual claimant can be just of temporary benefit  because until underlying issues are understood resolved  disputes will continue with some new users every now and then.

Many issues are just not black and white and may have multiple grey shades. To understand from where one's position is coming may need a bit more analysis and understanding of the issues involved.


 * Many Wikipedia users and hence articles are not aware of when to use term Muslim and when to use Islamic. It can very well happen that some Muslim individuals or communities are not in line with some or the other Islamic doctrine and if Wikipedia article or section title is Islamic the religious apologetic claim and come in defense that what one is citing about so called Muslim individual or community has nothing to do with Islam so delete the same from Wikipedia. Prima facie the argument may sound good but may leave other side of spectrum high and dry, how would they depict what has happened or happening in midst of the communities.
 * Many users misunderstand issues of imperialism and Orientalism wrongly and try to write off genuine humanitarian issue as imperialism or Orientalism or Islamophobia even when that may not be the case and real humanitarian issues may be existing.
 * When one sees merit in humanitarian issue, has reasonably logical sources they being asked to surrender on grounds of technicalities is painful reality in Wikipedia.
 * Giving precedence to technicalities over merit is Wikipedia's structural and cultural issue. Users who understand where merit is, get bemused in the web of  technicalities and proponents of both can be seen arguing with each other is an usual scene. I do not see anything  different happening in this case either.
 * Form of female slavery in Muslim societies is not female slavery but just concubinage is a technical defense. Does it really hold the merit ?


 * Women in Islam


 * Systemic bias against factual history of women by not acknowledging sexual slavery part

Examples first paragraph

The Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudama explains that a man is entitled to have sexual relations with his concubines, to employ her service, to hire her out and to marry her. However he is not allowed to sell or transfer ownership of his concubines. Concubines were at times housed in harems which maintained their modesty and privilege. Some harems were guarded by eunuchs..


 * Circassian had class system more analogous to caste, in wars risk of all non sunni women of getting captivated and enslaved was largely similar irrespective of social rank, at other peaceful times higher classes did not bother much of enslavement of women from lower classes. Rather higher classes at times presented women (of non high class) to Crimians to avoid their raids. Slavery in Ottoman Harems was eulogized and later internalized by Circassian communities itself post Russian forced migration. In later recorded period few Circassian women and or their parents willingly submitted to slavery in anticipation better living standard in some Harem. But that is not supposed to mean all captivated young girls accepted enslavement and sexual relations by masters willingly. But the apologetic is present only one suitable side in such a way that all young girls would have submitted to marauders willingly.
 * Now read  innocuous sounding last sentence in above cited para from Women in Islam. "..Some harems were guarded by eunuchs.." . Answer a simple question 'guarded from whom? guarded for whom?' is the Wikipedia article answering the question or is it hiding the answer?  Whether female slaves were allowed to move out without being emancipated if any one of them wished so?
 * Until a nonMuslim female slave did not accept Islam she had no strict religious compulsion to fallow veil/hijab or Purdah. So there is no question that enuchs were guarding non Muslim female slaves in Harem from just stranger men (or were they doing that?).
 * Were any of female slaves presented as gift to other men? If answer comes yes how all of female slaves were concubines of the owner?
 * If many of the owners were selling and gifting some of their female slaves then how one can say before sale or gift they were concubines? So what is the name for that stage of female slave before having a child and accepted as concubine by some master?
 * Every sexcapade does not result in an offspring. So article paragraph sentence "However he is not allowed to sell or transfer ownership of his concubines" is just telling half the truth and hiding quite more. What happens to a female slave whom her masters exploited sexually but those could not bear offspring and remain barren for whatever reason?

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 * Category:Lists of events by venue
 * Wikipedia:Notability (events)
 * Mass shootings and terrorist attacks are generally notable as events, mass sexual assault?
 * That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable
 * If an event is cited as a case study in multiple sources after the initial coverage has died down, this may be an indication of lasting significance
 * Diversity of sources
 * meet the general notability guideline
 * not Routine
 * something further gives them additional enduring significance
 * Coverage of an event nationally or internationally
 * significant or in-depth coverage to be notable
 * In-depth coverage includes analysis that puts events into context
 * significant lasting effect
 * covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards
 * historic or lasting importance
 * historic or lasting importance


 * Last straw
 * Watershed moment

Edited by Cynthia Gordon.

https://www.tilburguniversity.edu/sites/default/files/download/TPCS_221-Al%20Zidjaly_2.pdf

According to Najma Al Zidjaly The corrective actions of  Ex-Muslims open up variety of possibilities, in spite not permitted in Muslim societies, create legitimacy on Social media and kindle cultural revolution