User:Bratsche/Archive05

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Alerts
Oi, could you order it so it's Leaving->Break->Stressed? This way the most urgent stuff is on top. I was gonna do this, but edit conflicts suck.... Thanks :) R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 03:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, good job on the page! :) It looks great. Tito xd (?!?) 03:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Block
Yes, I know not to block indefinitely, but it was the fourth IP he had used, and I was getting sick of it, so I just indef blocked him knowing that it would be unblocked later. I guess it was just a cathartic thing, but thanks for blocking properly. Tito xd (?!?) 04:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Viola Jokes
A viola player is returning from a gig, and feeling tired, decides to stop at a roadside cafe for a rest and a cup of coffee. Halfway through the cup he remembers he's left his viola on the passenger's seat of the car. He rushes outside, but it's too late. Someone has broken the window and put two more violas on the rear seat.
 * What does a viola player do so as not to look ridiculous? He puts his viola into a violin case.
 * Why are viola jokes so short? So violinists can understand them.
 * "Haven't I seen your face before?" a judge demands, looking down at the defendant. "You have, Your Honour," the man answers hopefully. "I gave your son viola lessons last winter." "Ah yes." recalls the judge. "Twenty Years!"
 * A man says to his wife "Oh baby I can play you just like my viola." his wife replies, "I'd rather you you play me like a harmonica!". Knowledge Of Self  |  talk . 07:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cookies but wheres the milk? I leave jokes to people I know enjoy them, and to people who are helpful to me. If you'd like me to leave ya jokes, let me know. (Unless you only enjoy viola jokes I only know a few more, and you probally have heard them) All of that is one one condition, you get me a glass of milk before those cookies get stale! :-D Knowledge Of Self  |  talk . 03:29, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza
Thank you very much for the warm welcome. The Esperanza project is a promising one, and I look forward to being part of it. All the best! Brisvegas 09:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite (talk) 04:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Shauri
Dear Bratsche. I saw your message on Shauri's talkpage. Her Wikibreak is working wonders and she will be back one day soon :).--Wiglaf 07:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind remarks
Hi, Bratsche. Many thanks for your kind comments on my talk page. Yes, I'm interested in being nominated when I have 2,000 edits, which will probably be in the next two weeks. And by the way, I have Private Butcher's page on my watchlist, so I've noticed (and appreciated) your kindness to him! Regards, Ann Heneghan (talk) 02:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Greetings and how do I?
Since it was you that welcomed me when I first started editing you get the question. I've expanded a stub Kenji Tomiki and fixed up a page that was marked as poorly written Iwama. How do I get the designations changed or reviewed - is it done automatically. The help section wasn't clear. Finally I think someone has messed with one of your links - there is some vandalism in your message to me - but I can't remove it. Cheers. Peter Rehse 10:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks much. I thought the designations were the domain of wiki-gods or the like. So I'll happily remove myself.Peter Rehse 01:26, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thanks Bratsche! I appreciate the Barnstar :-D I'm glad I did what I did. Alex Schenck (that's Linuxbeak to you) 21:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for joining the vigil...
... but it wasn't really needed! I'm way too addicted to quit, as I've just found out. :-) the wub  "?!"  00:15, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL, of course I want back in Esperanza! Kind of sad how many others there are in the former members section though... the wub  "?!"  13:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire or Ivory Coast?
Hey mate,

You might want to take a look at Talk:Côte d'Ivoire. International usage on all major English speaking medias, as well as WP Manual of Style and NCs, suggest that that page should be at Ivory Coast. I proposed that it be moved. A lot of people insist that whatever the evidence most English speakers use Côte d'Ivoire and oppose a move tooth and nail. Given your commitment to actually using professional encyclopædic standards on WP, your opinions would be more than welcome (in fact are earnestly sought). Best regards, Jtdirl

MentCom
Yes, please, join. And get on IRC, as we have the bot there. R e  dwolf24  (talk) 04:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Question?
Can I ask you a question? Well I just recently logged on to my account here on Wikipedia and I saw my user page looked very strange. Things were all out of place and everything. I just wanna ask you, does it look that way for me or does everyone see it like that? (What I see is signs and everything all over my page. I also checked the edit history to see if someone was messing with my page and it came up that I was the only one who has been editing on it. Please help me. — M o e   ε  22:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Have a great break


Have a great break from the fun and frolics of Wikipedia. But don't forget to come back, now. We need sane contributors to balance the insane ones. lol Slán User talk:Jtdirl 03:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I just love that comment. lol. And so true. User talk:Jtdirl 03:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You know where to find me :) R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 03:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Peace profound. encephalon  03:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * We'll meet again. Now, who said that? Tito xd (?!?) 03:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Please do resume regular editing at some point at the future, but enjoy your break nonetheless :).--Sean|Bla ck 05:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Enjoy your break, and come back soon! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 21:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

More jokes as promised
There are two people walking down the street: one is a viola player...The other doesn't have any money either! :-D
 * Why don't viola players suffer from haemorrhoids? Because all the arseholes are in the violin section!
 * (one not relating to violas!) What happens when you play a blues song backwords? Your wife comes back to you, you get out of jail, your dog comes back to life...
 * Whats the definition of a gentleman? Someone who can play the viola, but doesn't!
 * Last one...How do you get the viola section to sound like the horn section? Have them miss every other note!


 * P.S. Hurry back to the wiki Knowledge Of Self  |  talk . 07:53, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi there Bratsche. I would like to thank you for your kind words on my talk page. I am back and editing again, much refreshed. Thanks again, hope you wont be gone too long. Cheers  Ban e  s  10:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for kindly welcoming me into Esperanza. I'm looking forward to being an active contributor when I am more able to take the time. Cheers! – ClockworkSoul 15:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

re: Welcome to Esperanza!
Thanks for the informative note. I joined up because Esperanza kept me within the project a wee bit ago, and more importantly, showed me that other editors thought well of my contributions to the project. It's a fine idea... I'm glad to be a part of it. Thanks again, Blackcap (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Validation?
Hi! You said on TFD that "a validation Mediawiki feature is in the works, and should be deployed soon". Do you have some more information on this? Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 00:08, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention and your courtesy. Tom Haws 02:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your nomination and your kindness
Hi, Bratsche. Just want to say a big thank you for nominating me and also for the kind things you wrote about me. I was amazed at how much support I got from people with whom I disagree! I saw from your page recently that you weren't going to be around much, so I was very glad to see your congratulations on my page this morning, because I particularly wanted to thank you. Hope you'll be around a little more than you have indicated, and that I'll be able to help you some time. Thanks again. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 12:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

WP:MIND
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Happy Thanksgiving!



 * — M o e   ε  18:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Hello, Bratsche. You haven't been here the last few days, so you basically missed a really sad day in Wikipedia. Essjay quit. :( He left instructions to start the Esperanza elections for both Tranche B of the Advisory Committee and for Admin General very soon. There is currently some discussion going backstage at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/December 2005 elections, which you might be interested in seeing. Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 01:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Babel
Could you consider adding this template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Viola Joke
Hi, Bratsche...don't want to bother you, so just reply when you get time.

I wanted to know if you had heard this viola joke: During a rehearsal, the conductor takes out a piece of music and says, "Let's begin at measure five." First chair violist replies, "Sorry, Maestro...we don't have measure numbers!"-- Violin Girl ♪ 23:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! That was a really funny joke, I hadn't heard it before. (The idea behind mine is that violists can't count up to five! :) Ok, have a nice day!-- Violin Girl ♪ 17:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Administrator abuse
Hello, first of all, this is isn't about you! I'd like to know if you could check Zatanna article. I've been blocked for no reason because of a stupid content. The administrator blocked me as you can see  in here User talk:Red-skinned femme-fatale black-latex-clad b-tch from Hell. Thank you in advance! 200.162.245.104 16:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
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EffK is forced to Abandon a Corrupted Wikipedia
I refer you to my response of a few moments ago at 15 December [],http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/EffK/Evidence#3_December_2005 EffK 03:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza
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thanks
thanks for reverting that dumb vandal by that gay fool:P
 * you are an admin an't you?

&gt;x&lt;ino 05:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I seem to have caused trouble
Hi, Bratsche. It's always good to hear from you, even when the subject of your message is one that I don't feel particularly comfortable about :-( and I'm glad to see that you seem to be contributing regularly again.

I did not know Essjay particularly well, but was unhappy with his Catholic Church of Wikipedia (now moved to User:Sam Korn/Catholic Church of Wikipedia), and I sent him a polite note a few months ago, pointing that out. He made it clear that he would be happy to userfy it, and that if it came to a vote, he expected that the members would vote to keep it, those who opposed would vote to delete it, and others would vote according to their conscience.

When you kindly nominated me for adminship, Essjay voted to support. (I don't know whether or not he had forgotten my name as one who had complained about his "church".) When my RfA was successful, I began to thank people, but got quite busy with assignments, and had to interrupt my thank yous. I still logged on occasionally, and during that period, Essjay's church did come to a vote. I voted to delete it., and he put a message on his user page (later deleted) saying something like "If it goes, I go. Permanently." I felt a bit embarrassed, knowing that he was one of the people I still had to thank, and that one of my first actions as an administrator had been to offend him, but I did not in any way regret having voted to delete that church. Then, although the vote had not closed and was very much looking like a "keep" consensus, he did a heavy edit on his userpage (now deleted), changing examples of "I am" to "Before I was martyred, I was". He also put Image:Wikistress3D 4 v3.jpg on his page, quoting underneath, as the caption, the words of Jesus from the Cross: "It is finished". He wrote on the church page: The Wikipope has been martyred. Support messages came flooding in, with remarks from his supporters about the people who hadn't been nice to him (presumably meaning those who had voted to delete his church). The wub posted to the vote for deletion page linking to that massive userpage edit (now a broken link because of the deletion) with "Congratulations!! Look what you did." A few people made snide remarks about his departure. I had no part in those remarks. The church was moved to Sam Korn's user space, and Sam edited with a remark about people "not being nice to one another"

When my college pressure died down a little, I resumed my thank yous. Having seen this, I decided not to thank Essjay. I did, however, thank Redwolf24 (who had been, as far as I know, a good friend of Essjay, and who had clearly supported that church), trying to explain the reason for my vote. I have not received a reply.

The next step in this saga was that Essjay came back, saw that R. fiend had edited an article and had then reverted three times, and mistakenly counted his edit as a revert, and blocked for making four reverts. I was sure (and am still sure) that there were not four reverts. I asked for advice here, and was told it would be appropriate to unblock. I did so, almost simultaneously with Sam Korn. Essjay came back and saw what we had done, reinstated the block, extended by twelve hours because R. fiend had reverted non-vandalism with the rollback button, left an indignant message on my talk page, another at Sam's, and another at R. fiend's. I saw this when I got up in the morning, but was rushing into work, and just left another message at WP:AN/3RR, hoping that someone else would deal with it. It was getting more and more embarrassing for me. I unexpectedly had a free period at work, logged on from a staff computer, saw that nobody else had handled it, so unblocked again. Another admin, Extreme Unction, left a message saying that it was clearly not a 3RR violation, and that he was going to unblock if nobody else had done so. When I got home, I left a message for Essjay, which I have now copied to my own talk page, in case he deletes his. Sam also left a message for him. When Essjay saw the new messages, he deleted his own user page with the block log summary "Taking the hint".

I'm frankly stunned at the amount of ill feeling that this has caused, and certainly don't want to make matters worse by making lengthy comments on his reaction. Since he is getting so much support from his friends, I assume that he has done a lot of good here, and I did notice his kindness (and yours, by the way!) to Private Butcher. I will say, though, that I think his reaction has been unfair on me, as it seems to imply that I should have refrained from voting (politely) to delete something which I and many other Catholics found offensive, simply because my vote might make someone feel unappreciated, and that I should have left an incorrect block in place for the same reason. (I would not have unblocked if I had felt that a block was over harsh; but this one was based on a miscalculation of the number of reverts.) I did not intend the unblocking to be seen as criticism, and am quite shocked by what he wrote on his user page afterwards (no diff, as it's been deleted):


 * My Wikipedia career came to an end in November 2005 after a number of stressors were capped off by a vitriolic and hateful attack against my work. Additional controversy arose on December 16 when a minor admin action (taken after reading a story on Yahoo! News about attacks on Wikipedia) received heavy criticism. As I obviously am unable to take even the slightest action without being attacked (by one of those who wanted me gone in the first place), I won't make the mistake of contributing again.

(I did not heavily criticize him; I did not attack him; and I did not want him gone in the first place.)

I note that the heading of your message to me was "request", but you didn't actually make a request. Did you want me to leave a message for him? I think the wisest thing for me is to stay well away from his talk page. I have already explained to him why I didn't originally leave a message to discuss the block. I could not in sincerity express regret for having voted to delete his church, or for having unblocked R. fiend, and I think that a message saying that I don't regret what I did but that I regret that he's upset would offend him even more. If there is anything that you'd like me to do, please don't hesitate to suggest it, though.

Apologies if this very long message is cluttering up your page. In a way, I'm using you to get all this off my chest! It has been very unpleasant. Having managed to avoid major disputes on Terri Schiavo, Ordination of women, Pope Benedict XVI, and abortion, I was not expecting this :-(

Thanks again for your message. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
Glad to see you back. Hope you had a good break and that you have a happy holiday season.-- Dak ota  ?   e  02:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
I would like to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year. Guettarda 18:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy Crimbo!
Have a Proper and Merry Crimbo. , in fact here is a pressie from the Doctor to you. Ho. Ho. Ho! Dr. McCrimbo 23:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy holidays!


Hi, Bratsche! I hope you have an enjoyable and relaxing winter break. :) Take care, Sango  123   (talk)  00:05, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!
 M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S , ! Hope it's a wonderful one! (happy New Year, too!)-- Violin  G  irl ♪ 15:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

My RfA and Merry Christmas
Hi Bratsche! Thank you for your kind support on my RfA. -- Szvest 17:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;

RfA thanks from Deathphoenix
Hi Cmd. Bratsche of the Barnstarium Army,

I just wanted to thank you for supporting me in my RfA and for your offer of congratulations afterward. To tell you the truth, I was surprised by all the support I've gotten. I never saw myself as more than an occasional Wiki-hobbyist.

My wife sends her curses, as Wikipedia will likely suck up more of my time. She jokingly (I think) said she was tempted to log on to Wikipedia just to vote Oppose and let everyone know that she didn't want her husband to be an admin.

I'll make sure your trust in me is founded. --Deathphoenix 14:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

awb
Thanks, but as you use the program it seems to be corrupting some text, like here, are you using windows 98? Martin 10:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, ME is pretty much the same as 98. you have actually done me a massive favour, as now I am certain of what the problem is. Unfortunately I don't know if I can make it so it does work on 98/ME, hmmmmm. Thanks a lot. Martin 16:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Paul Preissner and protection
Hi Bratsche, thanks for the note & advice. --Deathphoenix 18:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza members
Hi there Bratsche. I noticed a few mistakes on the Esperanza members list and since you edited it earlier, can I point them out to you? Only two mistakes made. First is KingTT is added to the current members and the inactive members. He is inactive so please remove him from the active. Next is the mistake to, well, my name. I left Wikipedia a while ago and someone put me under the former members, I would like to be readded to the active members if it's not to much trouble. Thanks! — M o e   ε  22:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Scratch that last statement about my name, Tito took care of that. If you could take care of the KingTT mistake for me? Thanks! — M o e   ε  22:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

2006
Hello, I wish you and your family a prosperous and happy New Year 2006! We shall surely remain actively involved in the Project Wikipedia. --Bhadani 17:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Thanks for voting for me in the Esperanza elections. I've been appointed to the Advisory Committee, thanks to your show of confidence in me. I'll do my best to make you proud, but please feel free to ask me for help at any time or to give me tips as to what you would like to do. Thanks for being an active member of Esperanza! I'll see you around. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 00:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
  Hello ,

I wish to thank you for your vote on my RfA. It has passed with a final tally of 59/0/0. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Knowledge Of Self  |  talk  04:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
 Bratsche 

Thanks for voting for me at the Esperanza Elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask me. Thanks again, Fir  e  Fox  11:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The Return of the Pope Infobox
You may want to to keep an eye on Template:Infobox pope. User:Netoholic is trying to redesign it in the form that was rejected in the vote some months ago. (Note: under an arbcom he is prohibited from doing more than 1 reversion by page per day. Under the arbcom ruling here if he oversteps the restrictions on him, block him immediately.) He has already forced through one ugly change to it. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 15:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Message from the coordinator
Hello, Bratsche. Rune.welsh signed up for our Admin Coaching program, and I was thinking about taking two volunteers per signee so we could be more useful. How about we take Rune Welsh, and Karmafist and Mysekurity take the next one? What do you think? Tito xd (?!? - help us) 01:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * But we are the happy cabal! :P. Nah, jk. Actually, I think you're right, we do need to proceed with caution. However, I think that just combing through the contribs may not be enough; we should try to teach them the relevant policies behind adminship, but definitely not nominating them ourselves. After all, if we do a good job, they will get noticed and nominated by someone else very quickly. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 01:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

The NPA Issue
I disagree, at least to an extent. While it would be nice not to be a "lobbying group", acting as a cohesive unit towards making Wikipedia a nicer place, and I don't know about you, but I think if we could reduce on personal attacks, that would greatly assist in making the project a nicer place to be. However, we're going to have to realize our potential as a political force on Wikipedia before we can effectively reform WP:NPA to the point where it is enforceable, because right now it definately is not. However, I hope we can figure out a solution to present to the general community internally first, and perhaps eventually create a new consensus gaining procedure that can be adopted by the general community, which would be just as valuable as reforming NPA itself, as evidenced from the rancor today at Requests for comment/Kelly Martin... which occured largely because policies and guideline are vague to the point where they are either not enforced, are too slow to react to our dynamic project or can be easily manipulated to serve personal goals. karmafist 05:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't state my intent clearly it seems. For one, no, Kelly Martin's rfc is largely about disrespect of policy in regard to her actions, which I believe is largely due to the vagueness and unresponsiveness or policies and guidelines in general, particularly NPA, which is almost never enforced except by the arbcom.
 * This happens because it's not clear. Let's take your example. What if Joe was a registered member of the Nazi Party? Is it still a personal attack calling him a Nazi? What if he edits Nazi related articles with a pro-Nazi POV? Is it a personal attack then? What if a user acted with beliefs of a socially conservative, nationalistic, economically socialist slant? What if he had a userbox on his talk page saying he's a Nazi?


 * To me, an NPA is in the intent, not the words. However, for others it's different. And ultimately, that's the problem. Even though it says a few word saying general things roughly related to this, not only does it not hit upon any of these things precisely, but many users are at the point due to things like Kelly's recent actions(she's at the highest level of Wikipedia, and she acts that way, how are the rank and file people supposed to act?) where any meaning of policies and guidelines written on the page aren't trusted since they can easily be ignored or changed without any real reason other than an individual's intent to get their way.


 * I completely disagree with you in Esperanza's role in this. We can still be an oasis in the desert from all of this, but I'd much rather prefer getting rid of the desert altogether, and we can only do that as a group. I've made something of an experimental template here in regards to this. Please feel free to dismiss the entire idea if you'd like, I hope at the very least that this method can be used for gathering a clearer consensus in regards to policies or guidelines overall whether users on Esperanza agree with you or with me. I'd also like to thank you for your opinion in this matter, and I hope we can spread out the mutual respect we no doubt have for each other in these conversations to other users outside of Esperanza in one way or another. karmafist 06:20, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Re Admin Coaching
I'm ready when you're ready :-D When do we start? -- Rune Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; | Esperanza  11:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)