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Alternative viewpoints that might deserve some coverage in the future

Coates -- https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/the-myth-of-western-civilization/282704/

"Values aren’t a birthright: you need to keep caring about them. Living in the west, however you define it, being western, provides no guarantee that you will care about western civilisation. The values European humanists like to espouse belong just as easily to an African or an Asian who takes them up with enthusiasm as to a European. By that very logic, of course, they do not belong to a European who has not taken the trouble to understand and absorb them." Appiah -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/09/western-civilisation-appiah-reith-lecture

Bulliet -- https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-case-for-islamo-christian-civilization/9780231127967 -- note that in some other contexts "West" actually means "Islamo- Christian" (astonishing given the current political rhetoric in English)

Judaic side-eye given to "Judaeo-Christian" viewpoint:

--Jacob Neusner 2001 (American rabbi): [] -- overview "the idea of historic Judeo-Christian harmony ignores, amongst other matters, a 2000-year narrative of theological antipathy and a millennium long narrative of violent persecution of Jews in the name of Christianity." (from Australia: [])

--Arthur A Cohen 1969 : []

(note: atheist authors of Jewish background have also savaged the "Judaeo-Christian" moniker as an attempt to both cover up two millennia of oppression of the former by the latter, and to buttress the Christian chauvinist claim that Christianity is some sort of rightful heir to Judaism)

["Jewish Americans want nothing to do with 'Judaeo-Christian'"]

Even more Jewish criticism of the term: [][] [] [] []

Also relevant -- Hila always has interesting and thought-provoking views even if I'm not sure I agree completely -- [][][], I mean she's really interesting []

Douglas Hartmann on the origins of "Judaeo-Christian" []

More Jewish criticism of Judaeo-Christian, this time arguing that behind the term lurks Christian chauvinist ideas that Judaism "progressed into Christianity" []

Nirenberg -- Western tradition based on anti-Semitism (and, I suppose, Islamophobia) -- -- not that I agree totally but relevant.

(personal commentary at this point: from personal experience I know my Muslim friends obsess over "Judaeo-Islamic" too, in a way that almost mimics the "Judaeo-Christian" discourse. I've always found both of these hyphenations incredibly bizarre given history and etc etc, but I guess it should be flattering even if it's a bit ridiculous?? In any case that view is still relevant to the debate)

"Judaeo-Christian" as "dog-whistle" []

probably beat hte point to death by now, but... []

(my tangent continues -- Frantzmann in JPost argues that Israelis, although knowing the benefits to "aping" a Western identity, see the West as foreign [] )

Hila argues B Shapiro is identity colonized []