User:Capitals00/Highstakes00

Sockmaster
Since this SPI has been revisited again, I would like to post the issue and gather opinion of others regarding the actual sockmaster of these all paid editors.

This SPI went irrelevant since filing from November 2015, after Bbb23 moved the SPI of Sockpuppet investigations/Khocon to Sockpuppet investigations/Highstakes00, and any more SPI filings after that remains irrelevant to Highstakes00. In this November 2015 report, no evidence was provided that the accounts are related to Highstakes00 or his socks.

A few important points, that prove how Khocon is unrelated to Highstakes00:


 * Highstakes00 had nothing to do on Wikipedia, except pushing a nationalist Pakistani POV usually in military articles and Wikihounding Darkness Shines. While Khocon and his all socks are exclusively paid editors, making promotional edits for companies. Khocon has nothing to do with POV pushing on Pakistan articles or Wikihounding anyone.
 * The great difference in timings.
 * Khocon was registered in 2009. Highstakes registered in 2012. Highstakes00's last sock was TheSawTooth, that was blocked in January 2015, way before CU could make a connection in November 2015.
 * There is no overlap between Khocon and Highstakes00.
 * Khocon had a much better English, than Highstakes00.
 * Highstakes00 has never made anything like these edits:, his interests and editing skills were far different.
 * Highstakes00 was based in Islamabad, while Khocon was based in Rawalpindi.

I had suspected a sock last time, (having same timings and interests) and the SPI was closed for two reasons; first that I rejected relation of new suspect with the most socks in archive, and second was insufficient evidence, while latter is easy to fix, we need to fix the first one. CU always checks the last accounts of the SPI with the latest suspect, obviously none of these Khocon's socks are related to any socks of Highstakes00, and this is how this SPI is only obstructing efforts to catch any actual disruptive socks of Highstakes00, because any suspected socks of Highstakes00 of them will be matched with socks of Khocon, who is unrelated to Highstakes.

Pinging involved admins to review this issue. Given the remarkable differences, I would suggest moving all filings from November 2015 and after, to a new SPI: Sockpuppet investigations/Khocon, that currently redirects to this SPI. Capitals00 (talk) 04:58, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Both Khocon and Highstakes00 are paid editors, but they are very much different people. Both are still active on the job sites - Khocon has had several jobs this month, but Highstakes has been far more active recently. I haven't had a chance to check in detail, but Khocon (not Highstakes) was recently hired to add a new book to Dave Crenshaw, if that helps clarify anything. - Bilby (talk) 12:37, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Good that you treat them as different persons. I would like to see diffs of paid editing from Highstakes00 though it seems that his sock, TheSawTooth, had engaged in undisclosed paid editing per which is too old and he is a nationalist POV pusher too. Hopefully I would still welcome more opinions and see if patrolling admins of this SPI agree that these are two different persons, one based in Islamabad while other based in Rawalpindi. I am fine with filing here though. Capitals00 (talk) 15:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have records of paid jobs by TheSawTooth (and socks) and Khocon - if needed, I should be able to email some, although it is late here so it may be a bit before I can. However there's a bit more confusion. I've just checked the older records, and the earliest job I have TheSawTooth down for is from early 2014, (which doesn't mean much, as my older records are hard to dig up now), and that is the same user as I have flagged as coming from Rawalpindi (noting that I have no doubt of TheSawTooth being a paid editor, and still active through socks). Khocon I have records from a bit earlier, but that account I have as originating in Pabna and, once again, I am very confident is paid and active, but not as much as TheSawTooth currently is. I haven't identified either as being from Islamabad. - Bilby (talk) 15:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * What Capitals00 is proposing isn't going to happen. There is a possibility that Khocon and Highstakes are two different people, but this case is going to remain Highstakes. Some of the statements by Capitals are flat-out wrong technically. For example, they believe that the two users edit from different parts of Pakistan. There is no proof that either edits from Pakistan. Even as far back as 2012, Highstakes used almost exclusively proxies, which, of course, hide his true location. The accounts that are found to be socks of Highstakes currently use proxies. Whoever this person is who is prolifically creating socks, whether you call him Highstakes or Joe Schmo, these accounts are all operated by that person. I can close off discussion at the SPI because of what I believe to be Capitals's good-faith but disruptive crusade, but if editors want to want to spend their time here on the Talk page, that's up to them.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * As long as you also agree that these two different persons and allow filing, then it doesn't matter what is the name of this SPI. I proposed merging SPIs because I thought that people think they are all same person but after reading comments of Bilby it seems that people already believe that multiple people are involved. When I was deciding location of Highstakes00, I was mostly focusing on block of this IP, which was highlighted on this SPI, the same IP had been also abused by TheSawTooth and I had provided evidence of its abuse in my last filing. I can see that there is mass proxy abuse, but I hope that it doesn't means that a sock of Highstakes00 will always hide their location. Capitals00 (talk) 16:30, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't put words in my mouth. I don't necessarily "allow filing". If you create an SPI in this case, it will be evaluated as all reports are, i.e., whether you've presented sufficient evidence connecting the accounts to the characteristics of the accounts in this case. If instead you try to show that the suspected puppets are related to this other person, it will be rejected.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I will get back to you sooner or later, and most likely ping on this talk page whenever I have sufficient evidence. Capitals00 (talk) 16:52, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Interpreting this contradictory evidence is hard. There is something funny going on with these Highstakes accounts IMO. The technical data and the behavior seem to be telling different stories. If you read this exchange between me and bbb maybe it will be clear. Add this to Bilby's note that different people are turning up in the SPI. Not sure what it all means yet. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Talk pages of sockpuppet investigations cases create a maintenance headache for clerks. I have moved this page to Capitals00's user space so that you can continue discussing if you'd like. Please feel free to move this page anywhere more convenient for you but do not move it back to the talk space of SPI. Thanks. courtesy ping, I believe watchlists follow page moves but ping'd in case I am mistaken. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ivanvector. After this revert I emailed . We can discuss any content of SPI here from now and in email if it's really private and also put evidence here for the next SPI that I am planning. Capitals00 (talk) 14:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC)