User:Catamorphism/Archive August 2005-March 2006

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It seems a bit offensive that you make fun of autism on your user page.70.48.181.101 15:44, 30 April 2006 (UTC)Jordan

Your work on No true Scotsman offends me. No true Wikipedian would know anything about sex, let alone sexuality. --Flata 03:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Your mom wouldn't know anything about sex or sexuality. Catamorphism 03:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Featured article for December 25th
I noticed you have listed yourself in Category:Atheist Wikipedians. That said, you will probably be interested in my suggested featured article for December 25th: Omnipotence paradox. The other suggestion being supported by others for that date is Christmas, although Raul654 has historically been against featuring articles on the same day as their anniversary/holiday. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-11-28 08:07

stub
Thank you for sorting the Jack and Jill bedroom page into a correct stub category. Im not too familiar with all of the catagories and didn't want to search through the list for an appropriate one. Also since I'm leaving you a message I have to plug my Classic rock survey. If you like classic rock I hope you can participate in it. There is more info on my user page. Thanks a lot. 01:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Stub sorting
Hi. I noticed you put a Comedy film stub tag on Duchess of Idaho but this is inaccurate as the movie is a musical. I can't seem to find a musical-film-stub tag, however. Do you know if one exists? I'm going to be creating a few more Eleanor Powell-related film articles in the near future and such a stub tag would be handy. Thanks! 23skidoo 16:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Great Job with the Folk musicians
A few requests: Jack Hardy (singer), Edie Carey, Frank Christian (folk musician), Anne-Marie Akin, Divine Maggees, Al Grierson, Meg Christian, Bryan Bowers, Jim & Jean, Jamie Anderson (singer), Margo Hennebach, Sally Fingerett

Stub sorting Anglo Norse Society
This is a small UK charity, it does not match the definition of International organisation that the template links to. --David Woolley 21:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of 'liberals wikipedians' category
Hi. I saw you're (like me) listed in this category which is up for deletion. Hoped you'd like to vote in favor of keeping it... Thanks! Larix 23:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for voting! Larix 16:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Catamorphism, I would like to thank you for your help on the Conscience Clause page, especially with Grammar and links. So Thank you, Chooserr 06:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

6yy
to put pornography in wikipedia is vandalism to! have you lost your mind? you cannot do only that you want! Thank you --Daniel bg 19:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

we3
wikipedia is universal and this images don't. please i don't want to talk more about this. --Daniel bg 19:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm reporting what I've heard
Not what I think.

Pro-choice edits.
I think your edits to Pro-choice to clarify which woman is being referenced are a great idea, however I know that in the past on abortion-debate related articles, there have been attempts to avoid the word "mother" as it introduces POV feelings for some, when referring to a woman who is pregnant but has not given birth to a child. That may be where the ambiguous wording using "woman" comes from, and I don't know if there is a better term to use that's concise and well-understood. JFYI. I've seen this discussed elsewhere, but I can't cite a link. --juli. t ? 22:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

cisgender
taking out usually from that bit where you just did makes the bit where it's a term of disparagement seem irrelevant, and the best fix following your "simplify" suggestion is to remove it completely, but i think it's too important to the subject to leave out.

Bisexual Chic
Catamorphism: would you review my changes to Bisexual chic and let me know what you think? I'd like to get the "disputed" tag off there lest somethiing happen to a worthy article.

By the way, we have a lot of common interests (Board Games, Laurie Lewis, Bisexuality, what not)... I'm sure we'll see each other around. Thanks! Iamvered 07:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Feminism
Hi, I've noticed the very good temper with which you're meeting Nathaniel's edits (and borderline stalking) on Talk:Feminism. Keep up the good work, and don't feed the trolls too much!  An An  22:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it's good to get some positive feedback once in a while! Catamorphism 23:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

CSD A7
The "or groups" bit from A7 doesn't include companies. AfD won't bite you if you nominate a few articles there. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 03:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see it was speedied. Sometimes admins &mdash; and I admit I do it myself in really clear-cut cases &mdash; play fast and loose with speedy deletions, without regard to policy.  It's more a bad habit than a source of inspiration, I feel.  And you may like to re-read your comment before complaining about mine.  Fair play, we were both being rather condescending in this little exchange.  Truce? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 07:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh noes!
Congratulations; you're the first person whom I've met IRL that I've run across in Wikipedia. Woi. --moof 18:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Fuck truck edits

 * thanks for the edits. the official name is definitely helpful. I suspect that many of this articles infitmities can be dealt with through constructive edits. I included the lesbian language largely because it paralleled the Rolling Stone article. the implication was really nothing about lesbians other than the idea (discussed in that article), that lesbians at an all-female school would probably not have the same need for the shuttle's services as heterosexual women. I know this is a somewhat borderline article, but, as I've expressed on the deletion debate, it does seem to cross the line into notability. Just know that I am not trying to be funny -- I really do just sincerely believe that wikipedia tends to be overly harsh on good faith but provocative postings. Interestingstuffadder 05:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I am enjoying the healthy debate, I can't help but think that if I would not have added that link from the Wellesley page, fuck truck would be enjoying a long, undisturbed existence. Oh well. However, as I've said, should the page make it through the deletion debate (and it is looking that way, isn't it? there sure doesn't seem to be a consensus for deletion), it will do so as a much better page because of your efforts. Actually, I am starting to think I would be willing to accept renaming this article "Senate Bus" if you would agree to support keeping this it on condition that there would be a redirect from "fuck truck" and you would support me in adding links to the Wellesley, MIT and Harvard pages reading "Senate Bus ("Fuck Truck")" or something along those lines, as the term "Fuck Truck" is just so much better known, so that if this additional info was not provided next to the link users familiar with these institutions would not know its significance. Interestingstuffadder 04:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * At this point, it is very hard for me to see how the outcome could be anything other than no consensus for deletion (if, in fact, the outcome is fair). Interestingstuffadder 04:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that this was not a majority vote but a consensus building process -- that is, I was under the impression that strong Keep support from experienced users, even if not a numerical majority, is enough to keep an article on Wikipedia. Am I wrong? You obviously know the rules better than I do. Plus you are the PhD candidate-- I am just a lowly law student ;) .Interestingstuffadder 04:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand. I was just trying to see if we could get ourselves on the same side of this debat through a little compromise. Good night -- it's bedtime on the east coast. Interestingstuffadder 05:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Safe Sex
I noticed you removed the Uganda comment, and discovered that the current version was pov. This is the diff showing how it was at first. I think the Africa reference is important in giving the article a bit of a world view... thanks, -- Colle || Talk -- 01:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, but maybe this is better? I agree that it's important to give a worldwide view, I just felt that saying "abstinence programs in Uganda have been successful" in the next breath from "religious organizations have been criticized" was POV. Catamorphism 01:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying I like my version here: (on the left) . See the recent discussion on the talk page, there is an über religious guy who tries really hard to get his views on the page. I made that version to solve the NPOV and geographic bias, but it lasted 2.5 seconds. Also, that pov statement he made about abstinance being the reason for sucess is a complete fabrication. I was hoping you might help me, I left that discussion... I get too frustrated when I feel people just humouring me... You know, you get the feeling that no matter what you say, the person is going to continue putting their point of view into the article...-- Colle |[[Image:Locatecolle.png]]| Talk -- 02:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've seen Chooserr's edits before and know his POV-pushing. However, I'm going to leave the article as it is for now, because I think your old version was also somewhat POV (though it could be improved by citing sources) Catamorphism 02:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Really! How do you find it POV? My intent was avoid rhetoric such as "immoral" or "safe sex movement" and replace it with a factual representation of the situation. -- Colle |[[Image:Locatecolle.png]]| Talk -- 02:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "Some religious conservative organisations", "Proponents of safe sex programs agree" -- these are weasel phrases. It would be better to have citations that say exactly whose views you're describing. Catamorphism 02:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How is that any more weasily than what is there presently. It still says "some conservatives" and "proponents of the 'safe sex' movement"-- Colle |[[Image:Locatecolle.png]]<b style="color:grey;">|</b> Talk -- 02:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * True. I don't have time to improve the entire article, I just think that reverting to your earlier version wouldn't make it any better unless citations were added. The best thing you could do would be to find citations and add them. Catamorphism 02:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats impossible, especially on the safe sex side. This is something that is centred in the grass roots, in Africa.  I have no idea how I could find appropriate citations.  I might be able to cite some catholic website that supports abstinance, but that's already talked about in the article...-- Colle <b style="color:grey;">|</b>[[Image:Locatecolle.png]]<b style="color:grey;">|</b> Talk -- 02:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's an essay on the topic... -- Colle <b style="color:grey;">|</b><b style="color:grey;">|</b> Talk -- 02:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Safesex 2
Hi,

High risk behaviour doesn't necessarily mean just sex. It can also mean sexual contact which isn't explained, or other things such as drugs.

Also since you have restored the section on the virginity pledge which doesn't seem to belong at least be kind enough to cite sources for your claims. Chooserr 07:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I apologized publicly on the pages talk for that comment...I wasn't too focused sorry again, and I guess I was unfair to say you readded the section, but you seem to support it so that it feels like you do. Sorry if I'm overly accusative (?) I just am a bit passionate about such issues. Chooserr 07:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Fuck Truck survived the deletion debate...
But please continue helping me keep an eye on this article. Your contributions have been invaluable. Interestingstuffadder 23:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia should be censored
I King Vidor feel that wikipedia should be censored to protect the children because it's wrong that we have free encycopedia that is often a visited site in schools has images such as on the oral sex article and the like...What say you on this issue?--King Vidor 02:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Parental notification
Chooserr has continued to revert the same low-quality version of parental notification repeatedly, and I don't want to violate 3RR. Please jump in. Alienus 18:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Have you guys heard the term wheel warring? Chooserr 18:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I'll let a few of the adims decide if they are inclined. I have been trying to talk it out on the talk page and have revised my version if you were to compare two of them. Chooserr 18:18, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, Catamorphism. I realize you probably have a life or something, but Chooserr is back at it again. He's given up on his original attempt, but is now trying to inject POV in medium-sized doses instead of wholesale. As usual, the work is sloppy and full of language errors on top of the content problems. So when you have a chance, come join us and add your input. Alienus 22:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages
I wouldn't mind if you'd take a keek at the talk page of parental notification - I've given a link citing the sources that while not 3rd party discusses my comment on what the 1st party believes. Chooserr 18:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Well I replied to your comments think that you'd be monitoring the page, but you might not be so I will state here that - I don't want to even attempt to make my sources fit for it would most likely be considered a violation of the 3rvt rule. I do find it queer though that you'd start out saying I don't care about the article because I didn't catch minor spelling mistakes, and you flat out refuse to reinstate certain bits of information (with a link now) that were there before Alienus and I ever reached the page. Information that tells the reason the idea of a parental notification is so strong. Maybe my reference to "child" was misplaced, but I still think it conveyed that these people were not emancipated, and had not reached an age of being independent from their parents (19 - 20?). It would be 15 or 16 year olds this applies to - minors, children. Chooserr 19:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I guess that should be before Alienus reached the page, because I started it. Despite that minor inaccuracy, the main point is that we should include the reasons behind it. If you'd like to view the part of the history prior to Alienus coming, before his major rewrite you will find that I attempt to out line the reasons for both sides. Against: women no matter their age have a right to an abortion. For: minors should have to consult their parents before making such dramatic choices - especially since they still require parental approval for immunisation, medication, having a tooth pulled. Chooserr 19:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it doesn't say much for you if you say I don't care about wikipedias articles, only wanting to inflict a POV, before turning around and saying, you aren't interested, when I outline the reasons why we should include this content. Any way, I will refrain from making any other comments on your talk page. Chooserr 20:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Supported your wikiquote contributions, but sage advice nonetheless
I weighed in on the issue, supporting all of your contributions, but my advice will benefit you too.

Perma-link diff: http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mr._Grace&diff=180908&oldid=180514 (Scroll to the bottom, since I can't seem to get a table of contents to work on this page.)--71.101.159.100 05:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Oral sex
The overwhelming majority of human beings are heterosexual. Please respect this fact by not insisting that the homosexual images remain on the oral sex article.--128.235.249.80 13:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Lay off the fellatio page, cumshitter.

My mistake, the initial impression given to me by your profile picture was that you were a (nerdy) male.

I was not removing, but repairing. Depictions of homosexuality are repulsive and homosexuality is unnatural. Be gay all you want but don't shove it in my face, especially when I'm using an "educational resource" like wikipedia.

Parental notification
To call my edits (and me) paranoid is a personal attack, which is unacceptable. I never insult you, and it isn't unlikely that you could have found another way of expressing that the edits weren't suitable for wikipedia without personal attacks - not that I agree to that fact. Chooserr 02:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

What is a Catamorphism
I am a student of informatic science and a absolute haskell beginner. Also I'm trying to get familiar with attribute grammar systems (working the following tool: http://www.cs.uu.nl/wiki/HUT/AttributeGrammarSystem). The term "catamorphism" has appeared more than once, but always without an explanation. I already know, that "foldr" is a catamorphism, but what is the definition (always referred to haskell, not to abstract f - algebra or something like that). I know, that this term (here in wiki) isnt in your point of interest, but after all it is your name (first hit on google). Also I would be grateful, if you could help me (or show me, where I can get some help) So it's up to you (if you can spend some time), explain your name ! ^^ Many thanks shadruel (at) gmx.net PS: Sorry about my bad german-school english


 * Hi, I've written a short stub on catamorphisms. Cheers, —Ruud 12:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Another front
Catamorphism, thanks for your contributions on Parental notification and the ongoing struggle with Chooserr. I ran into another article that is locked in an edit war, this time on the topic of gay rights, and was wondering if you might be interested in contribution there as well.

The article is Objectivism and homosexuality, where I've been documenting the hostility Ayn Rand had towards homosexuals, feminists, LGBT rights and the LGBT rights movement, but have met with opposition from supporters of Ayn Rand who wish to make her seem more gay-friendly than she ever was.

If you're interested, you might want to start by reading this, which is the last version with my name on it, then go on to the most recent reversion. I do understand that you may well not be interested in getting involved in this mess at this time, and would in no way hold it against you if you preferred to stay out of it. Alienus 22:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Catamorphism, you were wise to avoid this mess; they've got a biased admin on their side. Alienus 18:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Catamorphism, turns out the admin wasn't so much biased as simply mistaken. Also, the page is now Protected, so the edit war is over but we could use more people commenting on the content. You're invited but, as always, no hard feelings if you pass on it.

Also, I have a question for you on an entirely unrelated matter. My LISP is extremely rusty and I never did properly learn lambda calculus in school, although I did pick up some afterwards from Hofstadter.

As you may have heard, the next version of C# explicitly supports lambda calculus, which means I need to get back up to speed on the subject. I was wondering if you could recommend an online tutorial on lambda calculus, perhaps even something with an interactive simulator so I could get more of a gut feel for the subject. Alienus 03:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

ESP Game
How in the world did you find this? Whispering 01:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Round tuit
Heh heh and I thought I was the only person who knew about a round tuit. Whispering 03:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

New Wiki
Hi. I see you have a depression userbox on your page, so I wondered if you would be interested in a new wiki I'm trying to set up. It's about depression (of course) and aims to be a real resource for people suffering from the condition and a wiki community too. It's very new, and there isn't much there yet, but it could grow into something good. It's over at Wikicities (a project started by Jimbo and Angela) and the url is http://depression.wikicities.com. Hope you can have a look. -- sannse (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Bisexual actors
Hi, there is a bit of a debacle occuring in relation to bisexual allegations in Tyrone Power's article- I would appreciate your viewpoint at Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-03_Tyrone_Power. Thanks Arniep 16:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)