User:Chaetodipus/mentor

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=March 2009= {| class="toccolours collapsible collapsed" width=900px align=left style="border: solid 2px #208020; background-color: ##00DDDD;" ! March 2009

Online Times
Firstly, do you think we should establish our online hours? My hours online are about 22:15 UTC to about 24:30 UTC on the weekdays. My weekend times are 14:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC, and 2:00 UTC to 3:30 UTC. Please remember that these are only guesses. Just so you know, my local time zone is PST, or Pacific Standard Time. Please if you have any questions just reply here, or if you need an admin's help, the you can ask Thehelpfulone. --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 22:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I just realized, that currently it is PDT, or Pacific Daylight Time... --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 00:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For a start: Thank you for the Barnstar - I was very much pleased about it! Concerning the online hours: Mostly I'll be online 18:00 to about 23.00 CET Central European Time weekdays. CET is 1 hour ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). The difference between PDT and CET is 8 hours. I think our online hours could overlap weekdays: 22:15 UTC - approx. 23:15 UTC and weekend time: I can try to be online 14:00-15:00 UTC. Kind regards --Rectilinium (talk) 01:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we can be online together during that hour soon. Do you have a day in mind? --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Today (18th) and tomorrow (19th) I'll be online at 22:15 UTC :)... --Rectilinium (talk) 07:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So what do you want to work on?  --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 22:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Charts for example... I saw you allready started with the captains chart...--Rectilinium (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So, whta you can work on is complteing the chart, please... --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I saved the page and it was done. Kudos.  --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * :)... is there a possibility to make the second column a bit wider? --Rectilinium (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If anywhere it would be at Help:Table. --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like I learned something today :). Time to start a new topic.  --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrong article name - deletion or redirecting?
I actually have a question. Im working on another article at the moment. Its a biography. The article already exists, but its just a stub. The name of the article is not wrong but not well chosen. The second forename is missing, and if I type in the full name, Im redirected on this other site. Is it possible to delete the stub-article or to reverse the redirecting? --Rectilinium (talk) 00:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Um... article name. --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 00:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Its actually the biography of Jacob Aaron Westervelt. When I type in this name Im redirected to Jacob Westervelt. But this shipbuilder always was called Jacob Aaron Westervelt, and there are less Jacob Aaron Westervelts than Jacob Westervelts in history. However, I actually need to go to bed. Its 01:30 am and I need to get up at 06:30 am - I hope we "see" us again soon.--Rectilinium (talk) 00:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I will work on it. For me it's almost 6 p.m., so I will be going to sleep early-ish (9:30 PDT).  Night...er Morning. :) --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 00:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

--♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 00:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was the correct article, so I added your work (and credited you) to it. --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 01:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oooooooo!!!! No...!! Big misunderstanding... thats not what I was asking for. It seems my english is really bad, and that you didnt understand what my concern was. As I wrote you in my first posting to this subject: Im working on another article at the moment - that means, Im not at all done with it! I just finished the second section of the article... the rest is still blank. Thats the reason why I work in a test-subpage of my user-profile, and thats why I didnt tell you that you can find the article there: I first want to finish the article in my subpage (and that will still take me a couple of days) before I upload it myself.
 * But the problem isnt resolved: you added my text in the renamed page "Jacob Westervelt (shipbuilder)" and everybody is redirected to this page when he/she types in "Jacob Aaron Westervelt". But thats wrong: the text should be added in "Jacob Aaron Westervelt". I also want to write an article about "Jacob Westervelt", which is another person (Jacob Aarons grandfather). So Im not going to upload my Jacob Aaron Westervelt-article on the Jacob Westervelt (shipbuilder)-site, as this isnt his exact name! The fact is: there is also an article about William H. Webb, and this article isnt called William Webb (shipbuilder). If someone has two forenames, this should be in the title of the article.
 * I was so shocked to see my unfinished article online, that I blanked the Jacob Westervelt-article :O... but someone undid my action and I finally added the old version. Ok then... Ill try to explain things better in the future (Im sorry that this happened because of my bad english)... See you soon... --Rectilinium (talk) 07:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my misunderstanding, but is all it was. Okay, hope you well, ♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * By-the-way, your English is rather good. ♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 23:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi... it seems the Jacob Westervelt (shipbuilder) article was deleted, and the Westervelt-page is reset. So everything is ok :)... I continued to write the article today and will write for one more hour, before I go to bed. Im actually still tired because it was so late last night. But at least I can sleep a bit longer tonight (till 7.30 am).
 * P.S. Im always very insecure because of my en-skills. I actually never lived in a country where the national language is english. I learnt it at school during a couple of years (15-20 years ago), but hardly ever had a possibility to speak or write in english... so nobody ever assessed my skills. I try to do my best, but I am very glad that I have a mentor (you ;)...) now, who can edit my articles. So Im not too anxious to publish my english written articles... --Rectilinium (talk) 23:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Re:English. No, really, for being rusty on English, your skills are really quite good.  For clarification, you speak Swiss-German, or  just German?  P.S., please keep noted that names of languages are capitalized. --♪♫The New Mikemoraltalkcontribs 02:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Swiss-German ("Schwyzerdüütsch" as we say) or Alemannisch is my mother tongue. But we learn German very early at school (starting with 5 or 6 years of age). Absolutely every Swiss (of the Swiss-German part of Switzerland*) writes and speaks German (but mostly with a very strong accent). In fact we understand the Germans, but in most cases the Germans dont understand us. Personally I speak and write German like a native German (I worked for many German newspapers). Germans actually dont realize that Im Swiss when I talk to them.
 * As you probabely know, Switzerland is multilingual and has four national languages: "German", French, Italian and Romansh (approx. just 32'000 speakers), which is quite a lot for such a small country which has roughly 7.7 million people (if you compare with the City of Los Angeles that nearly has 12.9 million residents). I also speak the national languages French and Italian (french a lot better than english and italian by far not as good as english).--Rectilinium (talk) 08:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For me, I speak a little German, but with a very heavy American English accent, some Spanish (just enough to read it a little), and I can use some ASL. -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 22:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ASL... sounds interesting. Is a member of your family or a friend of yours deaf? German is not that easy to learn, isnt it? I think English is much easier. If you wish, I can start to write in German (by using simple words). Do you have German ancestors or whats the reason that you decided to learn German? I also speak/write some more languages, but my knowledges of these other languages are so basic that I mostly dont mention them (Latin, Russian and enough Serbo-Croatian for a simple conversation).--Rectilinium (talk) 11:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ASL: All ?I know is the alphabet really, but ASL words are also spelled out. German, honestly, just because. Ja, so ich lerne Deutsch.  Es ist okay Sorry if my German was poor. -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

By the way...
Jacob Westervelt (shipbuilder), per Rectilinium's work and his request.

Its HER request... ;) Im female... LOL --Rectilinium (talk) 09:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I'm sorry. Sorry, I just used society's norm for pronouns.  Yah for political incorrectness! :) Really, sorry, -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 22:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * gg... no need to apologize ;)... just wanted to clarify it.--Rectilinium (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

New article
Hello mentor :)... Im actually still writing a new article about Jacob Aaron Westervelt, but it takes so much time to finish it, that I decided to take a break and write something else. Now I wrote an article about Robert Kermits Red Star Line. But as I didn't sleep for about 3 days and 2 nights Im a bit confused at the moment. I have no idea if the article is ok. Could you have a look and edit it? That would be great... With kind regards --Rectilinium (talk) 11:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, i'm a little busy until the end of Spring Break, so I will add a few tags then make some minor edits. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 22:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Mikemoral :)... Concerning your question, I didnt understand it:
 * "is the ship the property of Kermit?"
 * Which ship? The Red Star Line is not a ship, but a shipping line. I dont know if Robert Kermits Red Star Line, or Robert Kermit's Red Star Line or probably Robert Kermit Red Star Line is right. I actually found many publications. And if the name was mentioned, it mostly was Robert Kermits Red Star Line.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rectilinium (talk • contribs) 16:49 UTC 1 April 2009


 * So, that can be fixed. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 00:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, sop the main problem is the citations need to be fixed. I will work on that. You may also want a Wikipedia citation tool.-- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 00:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I looked at that page for the citation tool, but have no idea what it is for. Whats the problem with the citations?--Rectilinium (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I dont think that it was a good idea to add Robert Kermit's Red Star Line, and Robert Kermit Red Star Line ... There are already so many names for that line... and I never found publications where the line was written that way. May I delete it? --Rectilinium (talk) 01:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so the problem with your citations was that they were not really citations, but rather footnotes. Secondly I will do that for you (remove the other names). -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 22:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi... thanks for the explaination. I finally understood what I need to do to activate this tool. In the future I'll be using it. But in my Westervelt article (almost 50 kb at the moment) I'll be still using the normal ref-signs (on the help pages I saw that it is not wrong to use them). Furthermore I'll be using the footnote-title in the furture (instead of references). Now a question... how many links do I need to make, before an article is de-orphaned? Robert Kermits Red Star Line is linked with West Point (1847) and with USS Meteor (1819), with Red Star Line and List of ship companies. And I will insert a link from Jacob Aaron Westervelt (finally 5 links). At the moment there are absolutely no other articles that could be linked, because relating articles are still missing .--Rectilinium (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

User page
Now some general questions ;)... Can you tell me how you made your special sigs? I'ld like to try to make one too. And I saw, that you have a section for awards. May I copy the code, so that I can make such an award-section on my user-page too? Kind regards--Rectilinium (talk) 23:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want I can modify your userpage to have the awards section. Make your pick of style. About the sig here, tell me what you would like. -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 00:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Done :)... ok like that? The only problem I had: I was not able to insert your original sigh... grmpf...
 * Concerning my own sigh:
 * colour: #ADADAD
 * text: Rectilinium=n  (Rectilinium= - font "Copperplate Gothic Bold" / and n - font "Vacation MT", which is a sign/woman).


 * Can you make that? --Rectilinium (talk) 01:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ack, you weren't supposed remove my awards. It's okay though. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 01:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

 Rectilinium = n 


 * Whta else did you want, your request is somewhat vague. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 01:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Never mind. I do not know how to format fonts however. -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 02:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooops! Sorry. Because it was on your Sandbox-page, I thought, that you want me to make changes (like i did it with the table on this mentor-page).  Rectilinium  '♥ '


 * You need to learn how to correctly format your signature for Wikipedia. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 02:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Test-- Rectilinium  '♥ ' 05:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Congrats, you did it. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 05:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks :)... one more thing, did you see my question concerning the orphan-subject (above)? I added a view new links to Robert Kermits Red Star Line, and therefore deleted the orphan-tag. Then I saw, that you re-inserted the tag. Thats why I was interested to know, how many links are needed... -- Rectilinium  '♥ ' 06:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


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=April 2009=

Browser
What type of Web browser do you use? -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 03:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I use Internet Explorer, as I had huge problems with Mozilla Firefox. Why?-- Rectilinium  '♥' 15:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Just wondering. I had the actual reverse.  IE for me is very problematic, and Firefox is a godsend. That is quite odd to have problems with Firefox.  Do you know what version it is? -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 15:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi :)... I had the latest version of Firefox, but I finally deinstalled it. Whenever I install Firefox it also implements a Google Toolbar (during the installation I have no possibility to choose if I want it or not, and I can not deactivate the Toolbar - I have no idea why this is). Now if Firefox is on my computer the Google Toolbar Updater is trying to make an update every 12 Seconds (even if I have the most recent version), and therefore uses 100% of my computers performance (my computer is not very new, but the performance normally is ok, even if Im working with several huge programs at the same time - like photoshop, blender, Python, Internet Explorer - and when a Web-TV runs). So Firefox makes my computer very slow. I talked to several friends of mine (computer scientists) and they had no idea why this happens. They said, that I have two possibilities: to reformat my system harddrive and to reinstall all my software again... :O (!!)..., or to uninstall Firefox and work with something else. So I decided to continue to work with Internet Explorer.


 * Oh... one more thing... Ild like to ask you for a favour, but please, please dont be angry! Im really very glad, that you help me to edit my articles. But there is one thing... please dont make any edits, as long as I have not finished an article, and as long as I didnt ask you to edit it (like then when you copied my unfinished article from my Sandbox to the Jacob Westervelt article... even if I didnt ask you to do so). This incident actually was the reason why I opened the new Milamitu account (to be able to work quietly until I have finished the article). I mostly work for hours, before I safe recent changes. Now you added this markup during such a (very long) period, and when I finally tried to safe my changes I got a session-error message and IE hang up... I lost all my edits. Now this was quite painful. I would be very glad, if you could continue to help me whenever I have a problem or a question (because you really are a good mentor) but please dont make any changes in my Sandboxes as long as I didnt ask you do so. If you are watching my steps on Wikipedia, and if you see that I make mistakes and you want to inform me, then I prefer that you leave a message on my talk page or on our mentor-page. This would help me a lot. Thanks, your mentee-- Rectilinium  '♥' 07:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I am very sorry. That is something I truly hate happening.  A little trick I have learned is before a major edit like that, copy the text (all of it), and save.  If that happens,then you paste the text. Yay, free insurance :)!  Also please consider adding the sockpuppet tag, here.  (User Alternate Acct) -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 04:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, I too have a puppet. Also, my vacation starts tomorrow, so I will be using my puppet account. Again sorry. -- The New   Mikemoral  ♪♫ 04:32, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. I didnt know that there is such tag. Thanks for telling me. I'll be inserting it today.
 * Concerning the "insurance". I allready started to copy the text when this happened yesterday... but anyhow, please dont edit my Sandbox, until I didnt ask you to do so. I'ld like to finish an article before someone else starts to make edits. Ok then... have a great holiday.-- Rectilinium  '♥' 05:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Really, I do suggest adding the tag. --MikemoralSock (talk) 02:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I didnt delete the reflist|2 tag intentionally. That happened when copy/pasting an old version of the article. -- Rectilinium  '♥' 04:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

(<--) No, that is not what I mean. I am simply saying you should add it to the page. What it does is it, in select browser (I am not sure which) it makes two columns of refs/notes, rather than a very long list. --MikemoralSock (talk) 05:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah ok. In IE it still makes a long list (and I dont mind that it does - I even prefer it). Is it a problem, when I use both the old ref-markup as well as the new citation-tool within the same article? Within my new Westervelt-article (that I finally finished) I have 65 references/notes and I used both Wiki markups. Is that a problem?-- Rectilinium  '♥' 08:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * By the way, as you are on holliday, I also asked another user, if he could look over my article (because I dont want to disturb your vacation). But of course you may edit it now, if you want. But please DONT move the article from my Sandbox to the page Jacob Aaron Westervelt. I actually want to edit the article before I move it to the public space myself, as I try to avoid, that a copyedit-tag is added to the article. In such cases too many people "put in their two cents", and I already experienced, that this doesnt increase the quality of an article at all. After almost 150 hours of work that I invested in this article, I prefer, that a few people who are really good editors work on it, and when its finally edited I will move it to the public space.-- Rectilinium  '♥' 12:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I will take a look at a little later. When I return, I will give you another award for your very great efforts (150 hrs. wow!). --MikemoralSock (talk) 17:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * My brother said that Im nuts, because I spent so many hours for this article. But most of the time I used for the research (as it is not easy to find informations about Westervelt). And as it is difficult to write articles in a foreign language this also takes much more time then when you write it in your mother tongue. Honestly... I have had my fill of it ;) -- Rectilinium  '♥' 19:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would think something similar as well. :). Actually, for school I am writing a report on the medieval church and its effect on Europe.  I think my favorite part of it is about "Heinrich der Vogler."  So far, I've spent almost 18 hours on it.


 * Sounds interesting... I actually dont know much about Heinrich I. (Ostfrankenreich) and the medieval church is not my field of expertise either ;)... But Im very interested in all kind of historical subjects. When I have finished all the shipping related articles that I have planed, Ill be starting to write articles about Swiss history. What do you study?-- Rectilinium  '♥' 18:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I younger than you expect. I am a high schooler. Now I am studying Western History (basically Europe), German, English, Music, Biology and Math. --MikemoralSock (talk) 03:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I actually thought that you may be a high schooler ;)... but anyway, even if Im much older than you, you're English is much better then mine :)...-- Rectilinium  '♥' 12:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

(<--) Well I have the highest English grade :). --MikemoralSock (talk) 18:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Frame Code
So, that's the code for the frame. The color can be changed with the correct hex triplet. See List of colors. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 21:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The ALL CAPS mean that where input your own text/templates. -- The New  Mikemoral  ♪♫ 21:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

=Sandbox= Captains of the vessel West Point

Templates
Hi. I have a new question. In my article Jacob Aaron Westervelt I used four templates Template:Clipper ships, Template:PreConsolidationNYCMayors, Template:Ships built by Westervelt & Co. and Template:Song about the Margaret Evans. You surely know that kind of templates, where you can click the "show"-link and then some kind of window is opened. Do you know if there is a Wiki-help page that explains the usage of these templates? I actually try to find out, if there is a strict rule where these templates have to be placed (always at the end of an article, or can they be somewhere else too)? -- Rectilinium  '♥' 00:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. There are no strict rules on Wikipedia, see Ignore all rules. If your idea makes the project better, go for it. Plenty of articles have found that collapsed tables are useful to make an article more readable.


 * It's real easy to make things hidden; for example, if you put;




 * You get;


 * I don't know of any specific help files about this; the best thing to do is to experiment in your user area - for example, create user:Rectilinium/test and play with it there.


 * If you do need help, feel free to ask me on my talk page or, even better, talk to us live.


 * Best,  Chzz  ►  01:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note, further discussion about this is ongoing, in User talk:Chzz.  Chzz  ►  16:28, 21 April 2009 (UTC)