User:Cornellrockey/Archive05

'''This page is kept for archival purposes only. To leave a message for User:Cornellrockey, please use his talk page.'''

Thanks a lot
Thank you for your contributions to my article White Hawk (ecovillage). Your help is greatly appreciated. :) --jmeeter 03:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

ComponentOne
You marked the ComponentOne page for removal. I am not, nor have I ever been, an employee of ComponentOne. I created this page because ComponentOne is an important third-party component developer for the Microsoft Windows platform. Cayuga (talk) 14:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for the welcome, but I'm not exactly a new member. ;-) Let's Go Red!  Beeeej 13:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Looking for some help...
Hi, I am attempting to build an article on the Sphinx Head Society at Cornell University and the article has been flagged for deletion. As someone that has made substantial contributions to the Cornell University page. I was hoping that you could offer some support to our addition. Thank you very much. Cornell1890 (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Sphinx Head
The only proof of their membership would either be Cornell Daily Sun ads or pages in the Cornellian yearbook. Are those sufficient? I would look at other secret society pages for the same inconsistency (just to be fair). GoBigRed1865 (talk) 03:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

ComponentOne
Hi. I have been trying to establish a page for ComponentOne, but you keep knocking it down. Please explain to me the difference between the page I created for ComponentOne and the existing (and accepted) page for Developer Express. -Pete —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cayuga (talk • contribs) 22:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:David J Skorton.jpg)
Thanks for uploading Image:David J Skorton.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BetacommandBot (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

United States Senate election in Mississippi, 2008
If you have time I would like to hear your comments on this page Talk:United States Senate election in Mississippi, 2008. Gang14 (talk) 17:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Utica NY issues?
How in the world is my adding a link for a BETTER view of what Utica is a bad thing?

How is it not: Art? Media?

The newspapers make money. The TV stations make money.

So far, I have not sold any images to people because of the website, they ALL meet with me to discuss things and generally I HELP them.

I have contacts in the Mayors office, the landmark and historical society. If they can have links, why would my links be removed? Again, if someone comes here to look into Utica for whatever reason, what does visiting my site HURT, more than HELP?

I know what you are trying to eliminate, but I am not going that route. My connections run much deeper locally and I do not need this, but I really think it is a very nice FREE service to look at images we take for the city.

Bottom line, there is NO fee to visit our site. Nor are we pushy about buying images.

Please contact me @ D~at~theshadowman.com

Well, otherwise, I hope you had a wonderful New Year!

Wiki: D the Shadowman

speedy deletion
Hi. Please do not nominate articles for deletion without first offering your explanations on the article's talk page. You will find that by doing this you discover much more of the relevant information. This will also keep you from writing off an article for deletion solely because you believe it is not notable. After reviewing your edit history and talk page, I feel obligated to ask you to please not do this awesome encyclopedia a disservice by unscrupulously and pejoratively editing WP articles. I welcome your qualitative contributions to WP! 11:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guessture (talk • contribs) 11:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of residents and natives of Ithaca, New York
An editor has nominated List of residents and natives of Ithaca, New York, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 15:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you ever going to respond to my Utica NY post below? Man up please.
Please handle this in a mature and professional way, rather than deleting my edits then ignoring me..

D —Preceding unsigned comment added by D the Shadowman (talk • contribs) 22:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup in Ithaca?
I will be attending Reunion on June 6-8, and I thought we could organize a Wikipedia gathering. Perhaps immediately following the Quill and Dagger and Sphinx Head breakfasts on Sunday morning. Are you interested? I am also willing to meet in DC. Racepacket (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. You do not have an email on file, so I can't email you.  Affix a .com for my email and I would like to meet you. Racepacket (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Kayla Festa, Corning NY
I added the "citation needed" link after your reinsertion of Kayla M. Festa. For a person to be called "famous" I'd assume that they should at least appear in a web search. You may know something that I don't about this person...

I also did some research on the Ginger Snap and learned that Ginger Snaps have been around since the time of medieval fairs. If she is truly the inventor she should be listed and referenced from that wikipedia page as well.

Please let me know if I'm wrong.


 * Kayla M. Festa, Inventor of "Ginger-snaps"

^^^Thanks for the quick response. Tech70a (talk) 05:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)tech70a

How do you archive
My talk page is getting really cluttered up. I know there are bots that automatically archive talk pages. How do you get them to archive your own? Saksjn (talk) 13:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll do that as soon as I can. Saksjn (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cornell Endowment Number
The current source for the endowment in Cornell University's infobox states the number is $5.5 billion. If it is currently $6.5 billion than a more recent source is needed to reflect that. Bashen (talk) 20:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

American Football
I'm not into RV battles. The reason I changed the Ivy League article is because the phrase Ivy League is known internationally (mainly because of movies). Internationally the phrase Football is used differently in different countries. Take a look at the football article. In fact, What you call soccer really called association football. I hope you understand and agree to revert the change to the Ivy League article yourself. KevinCarmody (talk) 12:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You have a very good point, and yes, I do know that the rest of the world plays soccer without helmets and a somewhat more spherical ball:). However, articles for Pacific-10 Conference and Big Ten Conference, (homes of Michigan, Berkeley, Stanford: all world recognized schools) reference football in the opening sections, but refer to it as plain Football, wikified to link to American Football.  I've tried searching around WP for precedent on this, but cannot seem to find anything.  My gut feeling is that it is proper to refer to a polysemic term in the vernacular of the country the article is about; so in this case, just football.  What are your thoughts on this? Have you come across any relevant policy, either way, we should be following?  cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 13:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a tough one this. If we look at the article American Football we see two key points. That American Football is a derivative and that calling it football is a nickname (see infobox). In that case I would have thought that it should be referred to by its proper name. Is there precedent? Well, American article will tend to be edited by Americans, where the more common nickname is inevitably going to be used. To be honest, I suspect this is far bigger than between us and I'm not going to spend my time trying to convince American Wikipedians to refer to their sport in a way that suits the rest of the world. To summarise, I'm going to leave you Yanks to it :) KevinCarmody (talk) 14:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Asking for your opinion
Do you think that this band is notable enough for an article? Several newspapers have mentioned it and they have played in some major festivals. Saksjn (talk) 23:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment on Terra Terra Terra. They're trying to get selected as the opening act for a warped tour concert right now, and that might give them some notability. I haven't seen the mini-series because I don't have cable. It looks really cool though and I hope I can either catch a re-run while I'm visiting family, or rent a DVD or something. I absolutely love US history and the Gadsen Flag is one of my favorite flags. Hope things are going well! Saksjn (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Ivy League
Did you start the Canadian Ivy League article?

If so, a few comments:

(1) I'm a Canadian student and have never heard the term being used. (2) Nothwithstanding (1), if you are going to create this article, at least represent the evidence you have provided correctly. Read the paragraph you cite from David M. Thomas' book. He talks about Queens, then Western. THEN, he says, "ALONG WITH A FEW OTHER long-established universities such as Dalhousie...McGill...Toronto." Clearly the list includes FIVE schools. Furthermore, there is no way to argue it includes Queen's and not Western based on what he writes. (3) Something to keep in mind. He also says "In so far as there was ONCE a Canadian 'Ivy League'". He is not saying there is one now, or that this phrase has ever been used. What he is saying is that if this terminology ever existed in the PAST, then these are the five schools that were included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.71.30 (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism of the Eamon de Valera page
Hi Cornellrockey, As the teacher of some of the students who chose to mess with the above article earlier today, I would just like to apologise for their conduct. I will be dealing with the students tomorrow and will make known my unhappiness with their interference. Thank you so much for being so quick to spot and correct the vandalism. 78.16.30.80 (talk) 23:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Schoellkopf field
I got your message saying that my addition of an interactive map with other Ivy League stadiums somehow violated the TOS of Wikipedia by being an inappropriate link. I beg to differ.


 * Is the FCS stadium map accessible to the reader? Yes.


 * Is it proper in the context of the article? Yes; it provides a Google (satellite) map of Schoellkopf field, maps of other teams that Cornell plays in football, and provides a way to get directions.  All this is information that is germane to Schoellkopf field and is above and beyond what the page itself provides.


 * Is it functional, and will it continue to be so? Yes, I maintain the site and intend to keep it up.


 * Are three whopping external links "dwarfing the article and detracting from the original purpose of Wikipedia"? Hardly.

I fail to see how the FCS Map site fails to meet these criteria. My website is not link spam. Yes, it does say in the TOS to avoid linking to a website I "own", and yes, I do put Adsense on the page to provide some meager money stream. But merely because I own it IMO is not reason enough to bring it down since I can prove easily that it provides additional value above and beyond the Wikipedia entry.

If I should present the external link in another way, please, I'm all ears.

Cgburton (talk) 03:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question, the provides the following:
 * A map where you can click on the school and see the Google Maps' satellite view of the stadium
 * On this map, you can click other FCS schools that this school would most likely play (other Ivy League/Patriot League schools)

There is some duplicated information from Wikipedia, but the key content it shows is the Google Maps satellite image, and a way to easily navigate between all of them.

There are a lot of other stadiums that have the same fuctionality that I have on my interactive FCS Map on other stadium links: Cramton Bowl (shows Geocoordinates of stadium and external links to a tool) O'Brien Stadium (links to "Maps of OVC stadiums", another home-grown Google tool) Michigan Stadium (links to "MichiganFanSite.Com Stadium Page")

That's why I was surprised that it was taken down as linkspam. I'd like this to be reconsidered.

Cgburton (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:David_J_Skorton.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:David_J_Skorton.jpg. I noticed the description page specifies that the media is being used under a claim of fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first non-free content criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed media could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this media is not replaceable, please:


 * 1) Go to the media description page and edit it to add, without deleting the original replaceable fair use template.
 * 2) On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on [ this link]. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Rettetast (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

help please
hello friend.

We saw that you took out the recent addition we did for the tailgating page and quite frankly we're a little bummed out. we worked hard on it. My wife who is from green bay was super excited about the fact we could add her cherished green bay packers tailgating buddies to the page. Understand that we meant no offense and we know that you started the page so we didnt' mean to step on your toes in amy way or shape. I am actually a member of a very large group of tailgaters down here in Houston and we live for tailgating. really. we woudl love to have you over any time you want and show you how we tailgate down here.

that said, i saw your comment about our addition being advertising. I can assure you that i do not get cut backs from either FOX6 milwaukee nor the tailgater magazine. i do watch and subscribe avidly to both and so are my other 85 tailgating buddies. Having our very own magazine last year has been enormous news to tailgaters all overt he country. really. not having them mentioned in the media section is just nuts. our own dedicated tailagting magazine? finally after so many years? that is way worth mentioning in wiki. Same with the Green and gold gang guys landing the tailgater of the year award. that was a huge story in green bay, was all over the news, TV, papers and bars. again not having them being mentioned on the wiki tailgating page is just not right my wife told me, we even added the video bit from fox milwaukee. i dont' see how mentioning john madden's book, espn and other guys in the above paragraph doens't qualify as advertising, and mentioning that the very unselfish and good-doers green and gold gang woudl be hurtful to anyone? they are really an awesome bunch of guys that everyone sees on tv at every single packer game.

we just think that the page needs to really show the nature of what we call a sport. we are really passionate about tailgating and so are hundred of thousands around the country. we even have our own superbowl of tailgating. we were going to upload a bunch of pictures as well to really show people what tailgating is about. Now, i am not going to lie to you sir, i don't have a history degree from Cornell, but i tailgate every week end, all my friends and family tailgate every week end. we know tailgating. we just want to share it with the world. if there is any way you can help us, or guide us or mentoring us in a way that isnt' offensive to you? we actually tried very hard to be very informative and not offend anyone or team or supporters. that page need a lot more information and we will be more than happy to contribute in any way we can.

i thank you in advance for your help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aegis27 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

PS: got your note. thank you for getting back to me. how do you propose i mention an award given by a magazine without mentioning the magazine? how does anyone mention the ESPY awards without mentioning ESPN?

how am i supposed to mention a bit on TV about the award without mentioning the tv station? i thought sourcing the info was a key to wikipedia good reference policy.

please help me be a better contributor

aegis27

Your reversions of additions to Tailgate party
I fully support your removal of this text. Please see my comments on the Talk page and those on the vandal's. Viva-Verdi (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:2ndlogo.gif)
Thanks for uploading Image:2ndlogo.gif. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

What the???
Who do you think your are? The current representation on Wiki is a minut amount of info on the Tailgating lifestyle. Why would you delete stuff that you know nothing about. They all had references. There are some things that need to be added like:

The Tailgate Guy Tailgater Monthly Magazine TheTailgater.com The Ultimate Tailgater YourTailgateParty.com Quest for 31

and alot more. I am planning on getting these all back up. What are you gaining by keeping the tailgating lifestyle sites and experts off of this site? These are the main sources of information that tailgaters across the country depend on each and every week. The information on this website is outdated and inaccurate. ie. Tailgating is baked beans and cold salads... Very seldom. Gourmet food is the trend the past couple years. Please message me back and help me add the information that is missing from this page that will not violate the wiki guidelines... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seahawk37 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Reversing Doolittle photo
The photo of Col. Doolittle and his crew is not shown properly. The photo is the reverse (mirror image) of the way it is suppose to be. The original photo on the AIr Force Link (as well as other websites) shows Doolittle as second from the LEFT. The correctness of this can be verified by enlarging the Air Force photo which will allow one to read the names of some of the persons. Can't read the names in the Wikipedia photo. Mr. Cornellrockey, can you correct this? Paa123 (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm new at this so please bear with me. The photo that needs to be reversed is attached to the Widkpedia article Doolittle Raid. The caption on the photo is: Lt. Col. Jimmy Doolittle (second from right) and his crew pose in front of a B-25 on the deck of the USS Hornet. The Original official Air Force photo is located at www.af.mil. (Click on Photos, then Observances, then on Doolittle's Raiders, then on Page 4.) The array of photos on this page show group photos of 11 of the 16 planes that participted in the raid. Doolittle's crew is shown as Crew 1 and Doolittle is shown in the photo as second from the LEFT. Enlarging the photo will allow reading the names of Lt. Potter (on the left), Doolittle and Lt. Cole (second from right). Nice to chat with you. Paa123 (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Doolittle Raid Photo
Hi Cornellrockey, I just checked out the Doolittle Raid photo and it appears that while the CAPTION has been changed (and now reads "..second from left"), the photo itself hasn't been changed (i.e., it still is a mirror image of the original). The photo has to be reversed so that Col. Doolittle will appear second from left. Also, the associated "Image: Doolittle raiders.jpg" needs to be changed; both reversing the photo and changing the caption. (I don't mean to be such a nudzh.) Thanks for your help. (Paa123 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)).

Doolittle Raid Photo
Hi again, I just checked out the photo again and it's right now. Sorry about not being able to explain explicitedly the "reverse/mirror image" notion about the photo. Apart from that, however, there is a generic problem with the way the Air Force posed the crew members which has caused other problems down the line. It's difficult to pick up from casually looking at the group photos of the flight crews, but the Air Force posed the pilot and the co-pilot slightly ahead of the remaining three crew members (navigator, bombardier and gunner). This arrangement is consistent throughout the pictures of the 16 flight crews that took part in the raid and must have been some sort of military protocol of highlighting the "commanders" of the aircraft. This results, however, in a "Front Row" and "Rear Row" arrangement which makes it cumbersome to identify individuals by name. (I hope I'm making sense here.) But this is not a problem for discussion here. Many thanks for helping on this. I like the Travel section of your page; the flags really catch one's eyes. Paa123 (talk) 11:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Chris Kanik nightmare
Not sure why - but JohnCD and Cornellrockey have decided to gang up on Chris Kanik's wiki page. Not sure what the problem seems to be. Everything is cited and referenced. Please be specific with what the issue is. Every achievement of his can be tracked back to a wesbite - and he is listed on the Cornell alum directory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've replied at length on his talk page. I think myself the article is probably headed for AfD. JohnCD (talk) 09:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Verifiable references.
It states, Chris was on Carmen Sandiego. there is no better way to prove that than with footage that is present on youtube. The Youtube videos also show his MySpace tour - there is no other place that someone can reference this.

The footage that is present on his pages show everything.

You ask for citations and fairly absurd things. For example, a reference that he can speak Spanish and Turkish and that he was born un Union City, NJ? If you watch his stand-up you will see that this is all accurate. Would you like me to contact Chris and ask for his birth certificate and for him to take a language test?

The MTV site is an outside source and so it the Acapella website which highlights his South Africa tours. Both those sites are credible. Chris was featured on MTV - again - the footage is on Youtube. The Bamboozle website has been changed to show the 2008 list of performers - however, their wikipedia has him listed as a performer. Moreover, t-shirts were sold with his name on it at Giants Stadium during the concert. i own one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Both the outside websites - MTV's and the South Africa website speak about Chris right on the front page. have you seen this? Have youa ctually seen this? He's on the front page of the MTV site as a top ten for the Real World. He is also ont he front page of the South Africa show. Please re-check these. The South Africa website even has a short bio on him. read that before you question the "reliability" of his south africa performance and his appearance on MTV. As a Cornell alum, Chris is no Bill mahr but that is not to say he will not be on the same level of celebroty one day.

As for Finding Tom - there is no way to "reference" this without a youtube video. Yes, it is just a video on a website - but it is footage from his actual month long trip in which he tried to do something revolutionary. Carmen Sandiego has been off the air for nearly 15 years. He tells jokes about this in his stand-up - and has the footage posted. Further more, Finding Tom was a roadtrip that he broadcasted over the internet. The only way to prove the trip is through the footage he has posted on his Youtube which chronicles the trip from NY to Los Angeles. Myspace even featured a few videos on their homepage while it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 20:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

In response to MTv and South Africa
Both the outside websites - MTV's and the South Africa website speak about Chris right on the front page. have you seen this? Have youa ctually seen this? He's on the front page of the MTV site as a top ten for the Real World. He is also ont he front page of the South Africa show. Please re-check these. The South Africa website even has a short bio on him. read that before you question the "reliability" of his south africa performance and his appearance on MTV. As a Cornell alum, Chris is no Bill mahr but that is not to say he will not be on the same level of celebroty one day.

As for Finding Tom - there is no way to "reference" this without a youtube video. Yes, it is just a video on a website - but it is footage from his actual month long trip in which he tried to do something revolutionary. Carmen Sandiego has been off the air for nearly 15 years. He tells jokes about this in his stand-up - and has the footage posted. Further more, Finding Tom was a roadtrip that he broadcasted over the internet. The only way to prove the trip is through the footage he has posted on his Youtube which chronicles the trip from NY to Los Angeles. Myspace even featured a few videos on their homepage while it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 21:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You are a vandal
Did you click on the picture?

He was featured on MTV as a candidate to be a housemate. Click on the pic and go to his site - the profile states his gender, hometown and age. It also offers a slew of videos which were done by Chris. Further, this site is monitored by MTV - everything on there is accurate. They would not have allowed him on television if it had not been.

We can keep going at this all day long. Not sure who you are or why you have decided to make this your internet crusade. I will personally contact Chris and let him know that you have a problem with him. All he has to do is send out a bulletin to his Myspace fanbase - and everyday you will have to deal with another fan. You can silence me - but you can't silence thousands of us. And why? Because you claim that these clear sources are unreliable? jesus - if you are really from ithaca - walk over to the registrar's office and ask about Chris Kanik. Would you like tickets to his next show? I'll contact him and ask him to get you free tickets the next time he's in Ithaca. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.140.4 (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Sigh
I was about to say that this guy is only acting in good faith, but then I saw his edit above this one. I'll warn him for threats. Hopefully this will simmer down; I do have one request for you. You've done great 'til now, but just don't snap (retaliate with threats, template him excessively, etc.) or else this just gets messier. Thanks, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  21:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, and take it easy! Take a bit of a break from WP or something if this is stressing you. And if there's anything else I can do feel free to let me know. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! :)  21:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)