User:Crouch, Swale/NC v PT

How much should the actual title of an article affect primary topic determination?

In favour

 * Per WP:IAR, allows titles to be at an undisambiguated name particularly when WP:2DABPRIMARY would apply.
 * WP:SMALLDETAILS
 * Most readers probably aren't newcomers, WP is well-known and popular meaning many readers will at least have some idea of our NC (eg plurals).

Against

 * While familiarity with NC may alter PT#1, it doesn't alter PT#2.
 * Surprise of confusion will occur if someone doesn't know an article title NC (such as PLURALPT) and lands confusingly onto the wrong page.
 * SMALLDETAILS deals with situations where the names of the subjects are unique (such as Attack Attack!, American band and Attack! Attack!, Welsh band) but where confusion is likely, not in cases where a topic is known by multiple names (such as Defamation).
 * WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT explicitly states "The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary.".

Discussions

 * Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)
 * Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)/Archive 19
 * Talk:Cars (disambiguation)
 * Talk:Hats (disambiguation)
 * Talk:Bookends (album)
 * Talk:Postcards (disambiguation)
 * Talk:Bulls
 * Talk:Shai Hulud
 * Talk:Nosedive
 * Talk:Bathwater (song)
 * Talk:Steven Morrissey (footballer)
 * Talk:Rushcliffe
 * Talk:Adulterers (film)
 * Talk:Billie Frank (Rude Awakening)
 * Talk:Ginger Snaps (film)
 * Talk:Collect
 * Talk:Peanuts
 * Talk:Roulettes
 * Talk:Novae (fortress)
 * Talk:Murder in Texas
 * Talk:Nightcaps, New Zealand

Examples of this

 * Would Microsoft Windows be primary for Windows if WP used plurals for nouns? Its highly likely the part of a building would be primary and there would be a direct link for Microsoft Windows since its unlikely we would move the article to Window (structure) (or similar). Both Category:Windows and Commons:Category:Windows are about the part of a building.
 * Would Apple be about the fruit if WP used plurals for nouns? Its likely that (similar to Windows) the company would be at the base name with a direct link to the fruit.

Examples of incoming links
These are links in the article mainspace (excluding redirects and DAB pages) that there fixed, only full matches (unless there were links for a non mull match) that were on the DAB at the time of the link fix are listed.

Bray
There were over 500 mainspace links to Bray, see Talk:Bray, most were for Bray, County Wicklow (pop 32,600) but 15 were for Bray, Berkshire (pop 9,110) and a few were for other places.

Danbury

 * Danbury remained a redirect to Danbury, Connecticut as a result of Talk:Danbury (disambiguation).
 * Danbury, Connecticut (pop 84,992)-39
 * Danbury, Essex (pop 6,500)-10
 * Danbury, Wisconsin (pop 172)-1
 * Danbury, Iowa (pop 338)-0
 * Danbury, Nebraska (pop 97)-0
 * Danbury, New Hampshire (pop 1,164)-0
 * Danbury, North Carolina (pop 186)-0
 * Danbury, Ohio-0
 * Danbury, Saskatchewan-0
 * Danbury, Texas (pop 1,780)-0

Dowland

 * Dowland remained a redirect to John Dowland as a result of Talk:Dowland (disambiguation).
 * John Dowland-11
 * Dowland, Devon (pop 267)-5
 * Dowland (crater)-0

Kenton

 * Kenton the DAB was moved to the base name and the place in London moved to Kenton, London as a result of Talk:Kenton.
 * Kenton, London (pop 12,133)-69 (there were probably more that were fixed by others since I wasn't sure which Kenton but they were likely for the London one)
 * Kenton, Devon (pop 3,087)-9
 * Kenton, Newcastle upon Tyne (pop 11,605)-6
 * Kenton, Suffolk (pop 237)-2
 * Kenton, Ohio (pop 8,195, also a county seat and thus clearly important)-1
 * Kenton (cigarette)-0
 * Kenton, Delaware (pop 265)-0
 * Kenton, Manitoba-0
 * Kenton, Michigan-0
 * Kenton, Oklahoma (pop 17)-0
 * Kenton, Portland, Oregon (pop 7,272)-0
 * Kenton (surname)-0
 * Kenton, Tennessee (pop 1,219)-0

Hartwell

 * Hartwell the DAB was moved to the base name and the place in Buckinghamshire was moved to Hartwell, Buckinghamshire as a result of Talk:Hartwell.
 * Hartwell, Buckinghamshire (pop 100)-30
 * Hartwell, Northamptonshire (pop 1,875)-5
 * Hartwell, Georgia (pop 4,505, also a county seat and thus clearly important)-1
 * Hartwell (1787 ship)-0
 * Hartwell, California-0
 * Hartwell, Cincinnati (pop 4,640)-0
 * Hartwell, Indiana-0
 * Hartwell, Missouri (pop 16)-0
 * Hartwell, Staffordshire-0
 * Hartwell (surname)-0
 * Hartwell, Victoria-0

Riseholme

 * Riseholme was moved to Riseholme (fictional village) and Riseholme, Lincolnshire was moved to Riseholme as a result of Talk:Riseholme (disambiguation), 5 were for Riseholme (fictional village), the rest were for the real village.

Somerton

 * Somerton the DAB was moved to the base name and the place in Somerset moved to Somerton, Somerset as a result of Talk:Somerton.
 * Somerton, Somerset (pop 4,697)-99
 * Somerton, Oxfordshire (pop 305)-4
 * Somerton, Victoria-1
 * Somerton, Arizona (pop 14,970)-0
 * Somerton, Newport-0
 * Somerton, New South Wales (pop 277)-0
 * Somerton, Norfolk (pop 289)-0
 * Somerton, Ohio-0
 * Somerton, Philadelphia (pop 33,931)-0
 * Somerton, Suffolk (pop 212)-0
 * Somerton, Virginia-0

Wendling

 * Wendling the DAB was moved to the base name and the place in Grieskirchen moved to Wendling, Grieskirchen.
 * Wendling, Grieskirchen (pop 838)-3 (probably 4)
 * Wendling, Norfolk (pop 313)-10
 * Wendling, Braunau am Inn (pop 109)-0
 * Wendling, California-0
 * Wendling, Oregon-0
 * Wendling, Salzburg-0