User:DJS24/archive1

January 2008
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
As it appears your first edit was to revert verified material, I will give you a warning and explain that you do not remove past starring cast members from an Infobox. Infoboxes address all stars, see Charmed and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series) or All in the Family as examples. Infoboxes are for knowing who starred in a series at any given point of the show, do not remove names and do not leave hostile hidden comments. This is grounds for blocking. If you feel the need to experiment on Wikipedia, feel free to do so in the sandbox. Thank you. KellyAna (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes
After a short bit of research, this issue is easily resolved. Per consensus, with the fiction is written in present tense policy as a guideline, all actors to star are to be listed unless the list is excessive in cases such as Lost or ER or other long running series. For television infoboxes, this was decided almost a year ago. What was also decided was years not be listed. The years at Las Vegas have been removed but all actors are listed. See for any questions. As the Las Vegas list is not excessive, all names are to be listed based on prior consensus. Thank you. IrishLass (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your statement on removing the years the stars starred in. However I don't agree with keeping the former stars in the infobox. Isn't the infobox for current information? When I look at the site right now, I see "James Kaan" under starring. When in fact, he's no longer on the show, theres a new main star for the show. To me, that's false information. Shows such as ER(Anthony Edwards; George Clooney; Noah Wyle), CSI(Jorja Fox, which I see you recently added), Criminal Minds (Lola Glaudini;Mandy Patinkin); The "Law and Order" Series, and much more don't include their former stars but only the current ones. Now when the show goes off air, then you would add ALL the stars that starred in that series. Please get back. DJS24 (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me attempt to, again, explain present tense. Fiction is about the moment, not about tomorrow or yesterday.  Anyone who ever starred is a star of the show because all shows run parallel.  You are looking through a pigeon hole, not outside your world.  In some areas, the show is just starting to air.  You see Wikipedia as only applying to your world.  It doesn't.  Present tense means the here and now.  As for the other longer running shows you've addressed, ER has a notation but they also have an extensive table for former stars.  All that's lacking is a "see below" but it also says "Season 14" above the starring.  If you look at the template guidelines, it does not say "starring on this day" it says "starring" with no indicator of timeline.  The talk page consensus is where the information is found, information I've link you to.  If I turn on CBS Thursday night and Jorja Fox is on but not in the infobox, who's wrong?  Wikipedia is if her name is not there.  If I turn on Las Vegas on TNT tomorrow morning and Marsha Thompson is on, who's wrong?  Wikipedia is if that name is not there.  The concept of present tense can be initially confusing but if you think of a television series as a book, it's easier to understand.  When Charles Hamilton died in Gone with the Wind, he wasn't removed from the list of characters in the book and he wasn't not acknowledged in the credits of the movie.  You have to think broadly, not in a box.
 * Your thought process of backtracking to add prior characters is also faulty. It makes for more work for editors and it allows for errors.  Additionally, when you go to a show page at another entity other than the official home page, you often see all the stars listed.  That is reliable sourcing and verifiable information.  What you are saying is that fiction should be past tense, and it is not.  That's MOS for Wikipedia.  Fiction is present tense.  Just because other articles are wrong, doesn't mean others can't be right and it doesn't mean they should all be wrong.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  IrishLass (talk) 20:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My two cents here: I don't know if I'd say this has been well-settled as Wikipedia-wide consensus. Irish points to a discussion with some limited involvement that addresses the issue but consensus can change over time.  With respect to the Las Vegas show, though, I think it's fair to say that most of the editors of that article think that current and former stars should be included in the infobox; the change to remove them has been reverted by several editors at this point.  It would be up to you to convince them otherwise.  Mango juice talk 21:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * IrishLass, I do understand what your saying, but I still disagree with adding the former stars. I have been using Wikipedia sites for TV information for years, and I have never seen former stars in the current infobox until I saw the lack of knowledge by "KellyAna", when she added former stars and the years they starred. Let me point out, that she was already wrong about adding the years on the infobox. Now, getting back to Irishlass w/ your present tense, you sholdn't be putting the old stars in the infobox. Now even with the shows airing old episodes like ER, Las Vegas, and Without a Trace on TNT on the mornings, you still wouldn't put their names in the infobox. Their names would be included in the former stars section of the site, with the years they starred in. In my opinion, what ever name comes first under starring, is the main character. Now, I'm not quite sure who has the main spot now on Las Vegas(Tom Sellect or Josh Duhamel), but Irishlass's theory would never give the new star their spot light. Now, I have a solution to fix this dispute; That we add Season 5 next to Starring, with the current main cast under it. That way, it states the current cast, with the former cast members mentioned in the "Former Cast" section. DJS24 21:45 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way I haven't heard much from "KellyAna", who had me blocked and disputed this issue with me for months. DJS24   21:48 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "Months" but you are a new editor and all the concession made to you have been because you are new. And depending who you are, I've, what is it, "disputed" this issue with you too.  I'm in the history too and certainly would have reverted removing the names.  Sorry, but, again, you are not understanding "PRESENT TENSE" and are at the point where you are being difficult for difficult sake.  And KellyAna didn't get you blocked, you did that to yourself with your round and round reverting.  That was all you, she didn't have anything to do with it.  You've been given reasons why things are done, you need to discuss the issue further on the talk page and not take matters into your own hands in the future.
 * Out of curiosity, how do you expect KellyAna to say anything to you when she has no clue this issue even exists? I didn't tell her and I'm pretty sure she's not psychic.  Lastly, check the edit history before tossing accusations.  I know for FACT that KellyAna wasn't the one who originally added the former stars and she originally disagreed they should be there until fiction writing was discussed with reference to soaps.  FACT.  Go through the edit history, you will see that is a blatant falsehood that she added them originally.  See here:  and here  and here  where a completely unrelated to the issue editor added them back in; and here  where Marsha was added.  So watch the accusations, KellyAna never added anything, she defended others' additions.  It's in the edit history, for anyone to review. IrishLass (talk) 13:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What were you trying to hide by removing my reply to your questions? IrishLass (talk) 17:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me point out, that your being just as difficult as I am. Also let me point out, that there is only ONE show that goes under your theory of "present tense"(by the way I don't need a English lecture, I know what it means)and that show is LAS VEGAS. Just about every other show, goes under my theory, of only adding current stars. Shows such as CSI, CSI:NY, Law and Order Series, Brothers and Sisters, Grey's Anatomy, Desparate Housewives, Ugly Betty, and just about every other show still airing new episodes. Now unless you plan on going and re-doing EVERY TV show with your theory and can't dispute this issue anymore. I'm being difficult because I know I'm right. Now as far as your message above is concerned, you have only been disputing this with me for two days, KellyAna has been removing my edits for the last 2 months, so she knows whats going on. If you read the history right, you would see that buddy. Also, thanks for pointing out I'm new, my name "DJS24" is the only new part, I've been editing TV pages for years. Don't make the mistake of thinking I know nothing becasue I'm new in name. You didn't mention anything about my proposed solution in your recent message, as instead you were defending your Days of Our Lives friend KellyAna. In regards DJS24 DJS24 18:45 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No one needs to defend me. I can speak for myself.  As far as I can tell, you're double talking as you've said "argued with for months" and then turn and say "I'm new."  Come on.  Get it straight, please.  I've read through all of this and you seem to definitely being difficult.  You call me out on here but how was I supposed to know you even wanted to me address this issue.  And HOW DARE YOU say I got you suspended.  You did that yourself with all your reverts.  As IrishLass pointed out, I was just maintaining what others have put into place which is correct.  I notice one of your first moves was to go immediately to IL's page and cause problems the minute your suspension was lifted, which is actually how I even found this.  As for your comment, you don't anything in regards to how people know one another so don't presume.  Calling IrishLass "buddy" is rude and uncivil.  You're wrong about so much but you so aren't worth it. KellyAna (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed and she's not my "Days of our Lives" friend. I noticed the first thing you did upon getting unblocked was to violate my page with this discussion.  Keep it in one place.  I've addressed your thought process and since you have no one backing your thoughts, I'd say that majority at this time is on my side.  I suggest you read about writing about fiction and get a handle on how it's done.  You edits have been reverted as you are the only one removing the information and as evidenced, several other editors have put the information there. IrishLass (talk) 13:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * KellyAna, You're wrong about so much but you so aren't worth it? ouch, a bit unvicivil don't you think?. Irish, just because i think this discussion doesn't merit my seconds doesn't mean i am not against adding Fox to the infobox, i made it pretty clear, so don't go saying that DJS24 is the only one that wants her out of the infobox because that's just not true, the name has also been removed by anons by the way. I really don't see why you want her in the infobox so much, i even noticed you are now watching the page, why? so no one removes her from the infobox? that's just crazy. If you are so intereseted in the well being of the article why don't you do more useful stuff like start adding some sources to the music section? or copy editing the cast section?--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 13:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion should be in the CSI talk page.--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 13:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This is actually about false accusations by DJS24 more than anything. I'd be a little pissed too if someone falsely accused me of getting them blocked.  And the conversation isn't even about CSI, it's about Las Vegas.  DJS24 has leveled a lot of harsh accusations at both myself and KellyAna so feelings aren't warm and fuzzy.  As to whatever pages I may watch, I have my settings defaulted to add any page I contribute to.  Is that a problem? IrishLass (talk) 13:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It certainly is when you bring unstability to an article i'm planning on renominating for GA soon.--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 13:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The way I understand infoboxes, they reflect the current cast of the show if the show is still on the air. For example, I've contributed extensively to the article for Last of the Summer Wine, which has been on since 1973 but the info box only lists the cast from the 2007 series. What I do to avoid confusion is add current cast: to the top of the infobox above the cast listings. Redfarmer (talk) 13:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This was between C24 and I and had nothing to do with the CSI page. Who cares about CSI, I care about the false accusations and the claims of things that don't exist. IrishLass (talk) 14:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh great! since you don't care about CSI i can remove Fox from the infobox?--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 14:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do whatever you want, she's already been removed and OH, I didn't put her back. You've only caused more problems rather than solved any. This was about one thing and you made it a much bigger deal than it needed to be. But I would like to know why you care what's on my watchlist. IrishLass (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Made it a much bigger deal? i am not the one that complains to an admin about nonsense and takes every comment the wrong way. By the way, the only thing I care about is the CSI article, do you really thing i've caused more problems than solutions? this is what the article looked like before i started editing on it. I'm over the drama, i won't be replying to you anymore in any of the 4 talk pages.--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 14:40, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't complain to an admin, I asked him what was common practice (but I'll note that as another false accusation). The problems you caused was bringing an unnecessary discussion to a third page and got some poor sole caught in the fray for now reason.  I feel bad for Redfarmer, he did nothing wrong and got caught up in all of this when he didn't need to be.  The poor man. This discussion was about Las Vegas, CSI should never have been brought into it. IrishLass (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, I see you deleted my comment on your talk page, Irishlass, did I saything wrong? And from what I reading now, you seen to be causing a lot of problems on other TV pages besides LAS VEGAS. Let me point out once again, that your the ONLY one under this present tense theory, and that I have NEVER seen it on any other TV page. I getting tired of explaining this issue to you over and over again. As I read, I see there is other people that agree with my theory. I also see that, that you deleted every little edit I made on the Las Vegas page. Are you the page manager, should I check with you before I change something? With my changes, I also put my reason for it, but you seen to not care about that. Finally, let me point out I'm getting tired of YOUR difficult behavior; you're wrong about so much but you so aren't worth it.(LIke that one KellyAna). Now that I got some other readers, my solution to this problem is very simple. In the infobox, next to starring, we put (Season # Cast) with the current cast under it. Thats what I did on LAs Vegas, that Irishlass decided to get rid of. TV sites, such as ER, Law and Order, Criminal Minds, Boston Legal, and all the other TV sites use. They also ONLY contain current information. Can someone please comment on my solution!!

User:DJS24 (talk) 11:23 16 January 2008
 * Your comments were considered personal attacks. If you want I can leave them and report you.  That's fine by me.  Your grammar was also unreadable.  If you want to behave in the manner you did, fine, but personal attacks are not allowed and that was a personal attack. IrishLass (talk) 16:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, this seems to be getting a little heated. I was directed to this page by Yamanbaiia because she thought it was relevant to the CSI/Jorja Fox issue. I have started that discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject CSI franchise, so I suggest that we do not mention it again here. If anyone wants to comment on this specific issue, go there to do so. Thrash out your differences amicably here, and let's not have a mention of CSI again in this section. Including that last one. If this is a wider issue about how to lay out infoboxes and character information for TV shows, then I suggest one of two things:
 * Drop a message at WP:TV and open a discussion, or
 * Leave it to the discretion of individual projects or task forces where available, and discuss the issue on article talk pages in a constructive and CIVIL manner. Jeez.
 * Editus Reloaded (talk) 17:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The more people that come in to this, the worse it gets. DJS24's first edit after being unblocked was to hit my page with personal attacks.  I've asked the admins to step back in which I think is the best course of action since they were involved from the beginning.  The more people getting involved the worse it is getting.  Even KellyAna tried to stay out and let it resolve itself, but DJS24 insisted she come and speak.  This never did have anything to do with CSI and the attempt at making this part of that issue has caused a bulk of the problems. IrishLass (talk) 17:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any thoughts on my solution? I have asked you to address this three times. Like I said before, doing it this way, shows that the cast being shown is the current cast for the current season. As mentioned before, other TV shows, that I don't need to name again, use this theory. If we can add "Season 5" with the current cast under it, I wouldn't complain about it anymore. As for the episode page, why is your information anymore reliable than mine? I trying to update the episode section of the site. I'm a little upset that you take it upon yourself to delete everything I do. As your reverting everything like your accusing me of. In regards DJS24 User:DJS24 (talk) 12:34 16 January 2008
 * So are you saying you are also RobinPowell? Your solution is unacceptable.  Have you not listened to a word I say?  I've given examples of several people who think the entire cast belongs.  The list is not extensive or cumbersome so there is no reason to delete people from it.  Present tense, keep all things as if they happen now.  Think of it as a book, maybe that will help you understand.  As to edits to the episode list, all unsourced information, including crap from futoncritic.com can be removed without notice.  Wikipedia has guidelines WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V and futon critic violates both.  Not reliable and predicting the future, both against Wikipeida policy.  Adding false information or unreliable information is grounds for removal of the information.  It's not a hard concept.  None of it is.  You are choosing to make it an issue and you are the only one removing the cast members from the infobox.  IrishLass (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Who is RobinPowell??User:DJS24 (talk)19:19 16 January 2008

Edits
Changing any section while a consensus discussion is in progress is a bad faith edit. Do not change the box again until actual editors who aren't having a check user run on them comment. Your edits are disruptive and go against what has been said during the discussion. Additionally, trolling for people to help you with the discussion is against the rules. KellyAna (talk) 04:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In case you are wondering what a check user is, it's when you believe an editor has created an account to be a sockpuppet or meatpuppet made for the purpose of supporting one's own position. I'm asking for one to be done on CarGm5. KellyAna (talk) 04:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * May I ask, what your talking about? --DJS24 (talk) 05:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * CarsGm5, the person who got rid of the trivia section on the Las Vegas page? Confused??--DJS24 (talk) 05:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OH! I see, well don't get mad at me because they laid the smackdown on you. Then again it doesn't surpise me that you would take these actions because of someone agreeing with me. Maybe I should do a check on you and Irishlass!! --DJS24 (talk) 05:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free. I can guarantee you that Kelly and I do not have the same IP address and we've both been around more than 6 months and we both have over 3000 edits each.  Far from new and far from the same person.
 * The issue was you made changes without benefit of consensus and based on a new users agreeing with you. The point of consensus is to have many users with a history involving the article to comment.  You need to wait for consensus and discontinuing making your changes.  IrishLass (talk) 14:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Adding Removed Comments
I'm adding the following back into my talk page, as I feel its related to the discussion on the Wiki. admin notice board. I removed this information earlier today....

- I would first like to thank Mangojuice for stepping into the discussion and pointing issues that needed to be addressed. Mangojuice also calmed the issue down as it was getting out of hand. I joined Wikipedia to help contribute my knowledge of television and NASCAR to the Wikipedia sites. I was also under the impression that well knowledge people worked on these sites. I found out otherwise over the course of these past days. I have been dealing with the most disrespectful, disrupted, and uncivil users that I have ever seen on an internet site. Irishlass and KellyAna have been nothing but difficult during this entire discussion. I have pointed out all my reasoning, examples, answered questions and have supported my thought process. You will see all that if you read my comments on the Las Vegas TV site. None of that was being shown at first because KellyAna and Irishlass were deleting my comments. I had to request an admin. to come in and review the situation, as you will see Mangojuices's comments and solutions regarding this issue. I'm not going to sit here and address what the actions of KellyAna and Irishlass were, as CarsGm5's comments obtain that issue. Of course right when we we're making progress with this dispute, KellyAna accused CarsGm5 and myself of being the same person, as a last resort to keep her solution standing. I hope someone looks into this matter as when they do, they will find NO connections between Cars and myself. After that dirty play by KellyAna, I have decided to no longer contribute to the Las Vegas TV Site but instead contribute to other Wiki. sites; sites that will have rational, well knowledge editors that argue discussions that right way by showing facts, not by taking dirty actions. With that said, I hope this discussion regarding the infobox stays open and other editors/admins contribute to the discussion, as my comments are noted and shown to help move the process alone. I will also make sure my comments stay posted, as hours of debating with troublemakers, shouldn't be removed. I will also make sure this message stays up under a different heading, as I want the reason I'm no longer contributing to that page shown to the admins looking into the issue. Once again, thank you Mangojuice/CasGm5 for stepping in and taking control of the issue. I hope to see you on other Wiki. sites. DJS --DJS24 (talk) 09:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC) -   -   -    - Just wanted to let you know that copyrighted images (like Image:HendrickMSLogo.gif and Image:Brothers & Sisters title card.jpg) cannot be used in userpages, you have to remove them. By the way, sorry for not helping you out with the whole Las Vegas thing, i just really really hate discussing with editors that don't want to discuss, so i usually try to avoid that kind of drama. Anyway, welcome, keep on editing and i assure you there are a lot of nice people here.--Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 20:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC) - ::I'll get rid of them, thanks for telling me. Yeah, I'm just tired of dealing with those two on that site. --DJS24 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC) - :::Just walk away, there's no need to get stressed out about it. :) --Yamanbaiia (free hugs!) 20:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC) - ::::I need to agree, there are several users that act 10x better than those two. Keep editing, and don't let them get to you. They are just low class people trying to cause problems. CARS! --CarsGm5 (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hope it helps --DJS24 (talk) 06:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:2235153860.jpg
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FCYTravis
I wouldn't worry about it; FCY is a good admin and surely won't block you based on "spite" due to a discussion he's been pointed to without at least looking at the discussion. I'll add a link to the archived discussion for his convenience. Mango juice talk 14:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, I noticed you've posted your email address on your user page, but you don't have an e-mail address specified. Personally, it's one of my favorite features of Wikipedia -- if you go into "my preferences" you can specify your email address there.  Wikipedia never contacts you, only editors who want to contact you via the "e-mail this user" link.  And the nice thing about this is that then your address is protected: people can only use the "e-mail this user" link to contact you if you haven't ever written to them.  Plus, you can't use the "e-mail this user" function without specifying your email.  Mango juice talk 17:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah its taking me some time, but I'm slowly changing my userpage around. I'll work on it.--DJS24 (talk) 17:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you know, but is there a template for a userpage border? I looked around but couldn't find one. I'm looking to add a border around my entire userpage.--DJS24 (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say, go find someone's userpage and rip off the code. If there's a template for it, I have no idea what it's called.  People probably just use   or wikitables.  Mango juice talk 17:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikiproject Xbox 360
Copyrighted non-free images such as product logos and promotional materials may not be used outside of the article namespace. You may link to these images by including a colon before the image name, as in image:image.jpg, doing this will prevent the image from being rendered. For more information on non-free content and why it can't be used on WikiProject pages, please see Non-free content criteria exemptions and the more general WP:NFCC guidelines.

When using photographs of consoles or console accessories, bear in mind that you can only use free licensed imagery. Replaceable images from press kits are not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. Luckily, there's a treasure trove of free images you may use from the Wikimedia Commons. These are located at commons:Category:Xbox 360 and commons:Category:Xbox.

Since the images used in the 360 wikiproject violate Wikipedia policies, I have removed them or replaced them with free alternatives where available. I've also removed the Microsoft logos from the relevant userbox. If these were duplicate or orphaned images, I will delete them. You are welcome to create copyright-free replacements for any deleted image, provided that they are not derivative works or trademark infringements. Please let me know if you have any further questions or if you need help with procuring free images. Regards, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 04:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the Xbox and Xbox 360 logos are intellectual property of Microsoft, you can't make free-license versions of them by taking a photograph or sketching their likeness. Wikipedia policy allows editors to claim fair use on copyrighted product logos, but only in articles about the products themselves. I'm afraid you can't use these logos in the WikiProject, on your userpage, in a template, or anywhere outside of specific articles. If you have questions about how to set up an Xbox 360 wikiproject, the best place to ask is probably at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. If you'd like to create an icon to identify your wikiproject and use in related templates, try asking . David made a wonderful icon for the Halo wikiproject (Image:Wikihalo.png) and he might be able to help you design a free alternative to the Xbox logos.
 * To learn more about Wikipedia image policies, take a look at WP:IUP. When using non-free content (claiming fair use on others' intellectual property), remember to follow the Wikipedia non-free content criteria and include a fair use rationale. Good luck and happy editing! ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:2950582604.jpg
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Not trying to take over
Just so you know, I asked Blackwatch21 about building the Xbox 360 portal and he said it was ok. Just wanted to make sure you knew what I'm doing; I'm not trying to take over your invention. Regards. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 05:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you want the project's featured article formatted like it is in the portal? or did you want it formatted like a normal section. (Maybe we could make a featured article div or something). Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  15:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this ok? (You'll have to scroll down to it) Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  16:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it and I'm sure DJS24 will too. I appreciate all the work you have been doing. Best wishes.--Blackwatch21 (talk) 16:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, why don't we try doing the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Xbox 360 so we can keep all sides of the discussion together. I'll post there. Thingg &#8853; &#8855;  18:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

About the images on Wikiproject Xbox
Just so you know, I think that admin was doing what had to be done when he removed those images from the page. I can't remember for sure, but I think that only free images are allowed on non-encyclopediac pages. (fair use policy) I added existing images for the consoles, and I'm not sure that the "Made by Xbox" logo violates free-use, so I put that back as well. I'm not going to remove that pic or the "Tom Clancy's EndWar" pic on the portal, but don't be too surprised if someone else removes them again. (I can't remember if non-free images are allowed on portals.) Anyway, I asked the admin to be a little more prudent in the future when removing images, so hopefully if images get removed again, it won't wreck the whole page. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 17:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, do you have any thoughts on this logo? (which I believe will qualify as a free image) Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855;  17:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Images/Logos
To reiterate: you may not use non-free images outside of article space. Use of X360 logos in userboxes and the WikiProject is in violation of policy. Please stop. I have nothing against your project, but I regularly monitor Wikipedia uploads for potential copyright violations. I understand that your attempts to illustrate the project page were made in good faith, but if you are going to be dealing with non-free images, you need to familiarize yourself with the WP:NFCC. Thanks, ˉˉanetode╦╩ 23:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Need Help?
I'll ask you, as I see your the creator of the Wikiproject Xbox. Is there anything you want me to do on the page? I have have a lot of free time to contribute to the page. Thought I ask, I don't want to ruin anything on your project. Noah!--Noah Baurer (talk) 19:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Noah - I appreicate your offer to help, our page is still being developed right now. I'm opened to any ideas you may have regarding the project, I would also suggest that any suggestions/ideas you may have, you post them in the project discussion page so everyone can see them. Thanks for the offer DJS. --DJS24 (talk) 19:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I would ask Blackwatch21 or Thingg, if they need anything done on the Portal Page. Those two handle that page. They might need help. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 19:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: xbox template
As far as I know, I removed it from all the pages that is shouldn't have been on. If you want to doublecheck to make sure, this page lists all the pages on wikipedia that link to xboxp. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 03:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Little FYI, no biggie
I saw the "rumor" at Las Vegas but didn't remove it because it was hidden. It's cool that you did, I have no problem with that. I'm just avoiding LV because the user that reverted to his edit 6 times is now actively accusing me of being a sock puppet and totally ignoring yours and Tj21's reverts to LV. And...have you heard they might just cancel Las Vegas after this season? IrishLass (talk) 20:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Your source question to KellyAna
I'm stopping by your talk page to state that I answered your source question, which you originally addressed to KellyAna. It's there on her talk page, of course. I'll see you around. Flyer22 (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

UGH at Las Vegas
What is with Bleek25 having to have the article "his" way? He keeps adding stuff just because it's been reverted by you or me. What is up with that? Anyway, I'm bordering on 3RR, can't do more today. If you see him revert again, can you take care of it? KellyAna (talk) 23:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. I started a conversation on the show talk page if you'd care to comment. KellyAna (talk) 23:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment
You are doing an amazing job wit Wikiproject Xbox. Its grown to 19, and if we keep this up, who know what we can accomplish! Anyway, expect more logins by me in the future.1yodsyo1 Talk! 21:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Seinfeld.
Hello DJ. I came to see if you are still interested in working on this project. Me, Joelster, Inkquill and Gprince007 are hard at work here and could use some help. Two questions: Do you still want to do it and why? Respond to me as soon as you can. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:DJS24 message
I wanted to talk you about this as I don't think it belongs in the Template namespace. Couldn't it just be moved to a subpage of your userpage and subst'd from there? xenocidic (talk) 19:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just the fact that you created a single-use personal template in the template namespace. You could've accomplished the same by creating a subpage of your userspace, or just pasting the code right into the top of your talk page. If you'd like I can perform the move and show you what I mean. xenocidic (talk) 19:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I double checked with an admin and it seems it didn't belong in the template userspace. He fixed it up for you. xenocidic (talk) 22:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Las Vegas dates
Ending run date for characters is still the year the show stops production. Even though it is in syndication, 2008 is the end date for the characters. "Present" refers only to filming, not shown on air. Thanks for understanding. IrishLass (talk)

WikiProject Council roll call
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KellyAna
Well, I wouldn't be the right person to apologize to. :) However, if you'd like, it would be a mark of maturity if you would review your past comments and delete anything which you think was uncivil or an attack. As for KellyAna's comments to you, I don't review every single thing she says, so if you see her saying something that is uncivil, the best way to deal with it is to point it out, either on the page where she says it, or to post on her talkpage with a diff of what she said.  Or look at it this way.  If you said something to someone else (I'll call him Joe, just to have a name), and Joe thought you were rude, how would you want him to deal with it?  To be rude back at you, or to go to an admin and demand they did something to you?  Or would you want Joe to just come to you and tell you that he had a problem, and give you a pointer to the exact thing you said, so that you'd have an opportunity to review it and try to work things out with him? I think most people would want that last option. --Elonka 01:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Articles

 * We need to start going through Xbox articles and rating them as to what ones need improving. I noticed we're getting low with articles that need improvement and I sure there are tons of articles that need work. NOAH! --Noah Baurer (talk) 14:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I don't have the time. I would suggest posting your above comment on the project talk page. That would let other project members see it and maybe contribute. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 15:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I'll add it to the project talk page. NOAH!--Noah Baurer (talk) 15:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

24 WikiProject
Hello there, I see you are on the 24 WikiProject. It's been quite dead for some time now, and me personally, I intend to revive it. I considered maybe even a 24 Portal, i see the project founder hasn't been on Wikipedia for nearly a year. What are your thoughts on the project? Are you still interested in it? And would you help revive it? Let me know, I would intend to help out a lot, maybe "take over" the founders position, well not take over, but possibly help lead the project? Was just a thought and I wanted your input. My talk page would be the best place. Cheers, <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 19:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Note, the above message is what Steve Crossin asked me to say to you. The  Helpful   One  (Review) 18:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Also a note, I've created a portal. But we should focus on the project first, I think. Just wondering, was it you who redesigned the page? Not bad. :) <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 01:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I have a lot of ideas, I kinda do things without asking. I hope you don't mind. Thanks DJS --DJS24 (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I don't mind. Just don't do any page blanking, OK? :P But, there are a few things I'd like to change with the project, it's all to improve the article quality, there's a list in "Goals". <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="red">Steve Crossin (talk) (anon talk) 01:45, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Holly.jpg)
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Signature
Based on your instuctions, I made your signature. 1. Go to peferences 2. Enter this into signature bar: ' DJS ' 24   3. Save BW21. -- B lack W atch 21  02:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Not Bad. Thanks --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

My statements on KellyAna sockpuppet case
Here. Flyer22 (talk) 20:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Project Logo
Did they give a main reason for deleting the logo? I couldn't find the link to the deletion report. NOAH! --Noah Baurer (talk) 21:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they didn't like the "X" and the circles. DJS --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 21:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * re: Thingg's absence - it was just today that he announced his indefinite wikibreak, so I don't know when/if he'll be back. Noah, the deletion request log is here. xenocidic (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Found something
I found something that might be useful to our logo dispute. . BW21. -- B lack W atch 21  00:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you send it to the deletion admin? --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 00:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

New Xbox logo
I'm sorry about that little thing yesterday. I've been kind of stressed out in RL and the image being deleted and that admin requesting that the lists of funny vandalisms be deleted kind of put me over the top and I overreacted. I am now back and I'm sorry about that. I will try to make a new logo that looks similar to the old one but is not copyrightable. It won't be quite as good, but it's better than nothing. I'll probably have it up sometime this weekend, but I'm not sure exactly when because I do have some stuff going on in RL. Regards. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 23:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC) P.S. I'm also posting this on Blackwatch and xenocidic's talk pages. P.P.S Just wanted to say that the admin on Commons was correct in deleting the image. It did count as a derivative work. I just wasn't sure where the line was drawn and apparently I guessed wrong.

Hello Again
Can you please review this RFC and make comment. There is a campaign to harass me from editing, and I believe my edits are being mis-represented. If you have a moment, can you please have a look.

Thank-you. Wageslave (talk) 23:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for responding.


 * What is happening, in brief, is this: I spent some time trying to clean up the Xbox 360 technical problems article. This created a lot of fuss as some editors wanted it to remain as "attack" as possible.  Then, I dared to try and get some balance of opinion about MGS4 (and the subpage on the online feature) added -- I dont know if you've seen it, but recently Kojima came out and said some pretty wild things about the game and the PS3, and the Online Beta was a debacle as konami distrubuted broken access codes, their servers crashed and people complained about the multiple accounts required to signup (instead of using the regular PSN-ID -- I provided top quality citations and organized the material.  But the editors there just blocked its inclusion -- they refused, but I persisted -- this ruffled *a lot* of feathers of people who wanted the MGS4 articles to remain Positive POV, even though these things were about as wikipedia worthy as any material could be.


 * Well, trying to add any non-positive information to mgs4 stirred up a hornets nest. I've been wikistalked and have had (most) of my edits mischaracterized in an RFC.  And, I'm trying to defend myself as we speak.


 * The best place to look is here on the beta debacle and MGS4 - both are the talk pages.


 * My user page is where the "Debate" is taking place.


 * Your insight would be much appreciated.


 * Wageslave (talk) 01:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Wow! Thanks a lot! I have to admit I never expected to get that barnstar.... I really appreciate it. Regards. Thingg <sup style="color:#33ff00;">&#8853; <sup style="color:#ff0033;">&#8855; 01:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Xbox Barnstar
Thanks for the barnstar. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  01:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Logo
Graphic Lab/Image workshop. Bottom of the page.-- B lack W atch 21  17:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism warning
Please read WP:DTTR. I accept we may disagree on the edit but issuing me with a vandalism warning is at least violating WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. If you have a problem with an edit then I am always open to reasonable discussion. If you are interested in resolving this issue amicably (as I know I am) then handing out warnings over good faith and perfectly reasonable edits, is not that way to go about things. (Emperor (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)) Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. That template is not needed or required. Showing that template, shows your looking for help or trolling for users to support your concensus. Please see WP:TrollBrian Boru is awesome (talk) 21:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay
Over and out, big guy. lol. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  05:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. – xeno  ( talk ) 16:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just saw it; thanks for informing me. --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 16:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Shut up
Shut up Dan, oh by the way definite movie to see. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  20:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Wpxboxlogo.png
It's just you. But besides that I, of course, looked at the discussion before deleting. This was a hard decision but in the end I was more convinced of User:Suntag's comments than the others. Closing a discussion is not about counting votes and I have no reason to care about the fact that Suntag's account is no more then a few months old. Also, of course it had an open discussion, so I went to work at PUI, closed the discussion as delete and accordingly deleted the image. Where exactly, besides the fact you don't agree with the result, is that against policy? That is how every discussion gets closed on Wikipedia. Where exactly was the discussion that a Commons administrator has no problem with the image? I did do some homework before deleting and saw this debate at Commons, I assume about the same image. That discussion also closed as delete. Garion96 (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Banfield
Bummer if you got your feelings hurt, but frankly, listing Banfield as Mr. Banfield when you know he's got a first name (and I question that you did despite your assertion to the contrary) is just silly. Characters' names are always listed first-and-last. If you don't know them both, leave it for someone who does. I've also reverted your petty revision of my editing (get your own back, did you?) since you took a grammatically correct sentence with Wyle's name as a subordinate clause and changed it to a grammatically incorrect one. I'd suggest, again, that you check what you're doing before editing, but I don't want any more fuss over this. Drmargi (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said my feelings were hurt, you put a personal attack in your edit summary (as you did above too) against a correct edit I made to the ER page. As for characters' names are always listed first-and-last, I guess I'll see several corrections done to that section then. As many are listed as Mr. or Mrs., if they even have a name at all. --<b style="color:black;">DJS</b><b style="color:navy;">24</b> 20:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm with DJS24 on this. "Be kind to newbies" applies even if he/she isn't a newbie. Civility rocks. Dave Golland (talk) 17:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Uhh... procedural question
User:Phonelabel vandalised Suspected sock puppets/Klaksonn (2nd nomination)... not sure if I should revert. Mild vandalism, admittedly - he changed my name to a boy's name and added something in the Conclusion section -, but sort of idiotic to vandalise a sockpuppet case page about your User handle... He now also listed his handle as "retired", though that remains to be seen.  the Ogress  <sub style="color:#BA55D3;">smash!  19:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)