User:Daniel Benfield/archive1



 Welcome to Daniel Benfield's first talk page archive on Wikipedia. You know, that free encyclopedia that anyone can edit? That one.

{| style="border-spacing:8px;margin:0px -8px"  Introduction Since my userpage was getting rather cluttered, I decided to make an archive. So long ago... These are all messages I received from my first "season" on Wikipedia (2008-09). Look at them, and see where we've come from and where we headed...and where we're heading.
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(Wow, look at me getting all philosophical like this. :D)

Archives are important, and should never be erased – we lost 106 97 episodes of Doctor Who that way. Daniel Benfield (talk) 16:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)  Other Archives
 * Archive, Summer '09: June 20 – September 24, 2009
 * Archive, Season 2: September 25, 2009 – September 24, 2010
 * Archive, Seasons 3-6: September 25, 2010 – September 24, 2014


 * This page is for archival purposes only. Please don't modify it. Subsequent comments should be made at the bottom of the main talk page, with no further comments made on this page. Thanks.

 Messages

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Articles Related To The Price is Right
You've been adding a lot of great stuff and reorganizing things on these articles--thanks for your help! Sottolacqua (talk) 22:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. Amazing how little there is on some pages, especially regarding significant changes and the nighttime shows. :-) Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Manual of Style
Thanks for your edits to Super Jeopardy! You might want to peruse WP:MOS and its sub-articles before making capitalization changes to section headers. Also, it's important to keep full dates in infoboxes, as the rendering of the date information as an unambiguous range may be arbitrary (i.e. may be something that changes in the future). I encourage you to read the documentation on infobox templates. Cheers, Robert K S (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Re:your edits to Merv Griffin's Crosswords, you might want to check out WP:REFPUNC. Ref tags are placed immediately after punctuation (not, for example, before a comma), with no space in between. Robert K S (talk) 20:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Re: Your edits to Jeopardy!--you are still improperly capitalizing words in section headers. Please refer specifically to the fourth bullet point at MOSHEAD, which reads "capital letters are used only where implied by normal capitalization rules (Funding of UNESCO projects, not Funding of UNESCO Projects)." Robert K S (talk) 19:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. Tend to think that most every word should be capitalized since it's a header. Daniel Benfield (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

"Primetime"
"Primetime" is not a compound word. "primetime" disambiguation page and "prime time" definition. Sottolacqua (talk) 17:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. Tend to think so when you've got a TV Guide next to you a lot. Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

December 2008
Please remember to mark your edits as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a "minor edit". (preceding unsigned comment made by Sottolacqua (talk) 13:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC))


 * My apologies. I tend to forget checking off that box whenever it is minor. Daniel Benfield (talk) 20:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Nighttime Price is Right
I think we need to be consistent when referring to separate runs of the show. Lumping two dates together when the show had a break in its run from 1980-1985 is not good practice. Sure, it's mentioned later in the article, but if it's right in one place, it needs to be right in all cases, not a few. Nicholasm79 (talk) 04:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, however an infobox is supposed to show the length of the run from original beginning to final end (see What's My Line?, for example). Episode numbers and show runs are not lumped in if one or two versions have their own article (such as The New Price Is Right (1994)). Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. That field has always been fishy. It's better to leave it out than confuse the reader with bad information. Nicholasm79 (talk) 23:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * ...Misinformation? "Fishy"? I'm sorry, sir, but I disagree. The run length needs to be in there, and there's plenty of things that cause the reader to go "Okay, they're just telling me the run, and I can see here that it's two separate runs – and they're lumping it together to show me that this is how long the shows have run altogether under this title." Daniel Benfield (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're assuming that everyone knows what we know. That's an assumption you can't make. Not everyone is "in the know" as fans are. Furthermore, if one just read the dates "September 4, 1972 - September whatever 1986", they're going to think that's ONE start date and ONE end date. You can't assume everyone will think the way you do. I refuse to edit the article anymore. Nicholasm79 (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * ...Sorry. :-( Truly, I am. I placed it back in like how you had it to begin with. The first airdates for each version are in the "first_aired" portion while the last airdates are in the "last_aired" portion. I was going to make a counter that it just looked "wrong" to me, however I see your point. I mean no offense to you in any way, and your contributions are helpful. Disagreements are just a part of Wikipedia as agreements, and if there were no disagreement there would be no progress, really. Daniel Benfield (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry too. Everything is OK now. It's always a work in progress on that page. But, I will say this. The pitchfilm is just a pitchfilm. It's only used to sell the show to stations, so, as you've said, it was never meant for air. As far as we know, there's just the (#003N) unaired episode, and that's about it. Nicholasm79 (talk) 00:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Note
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from . When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Politizer talk / contribs 21:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * My bad; I just saw the diff in the infobox making it look like you had removed the year from the start date; I didn't notice that the formatting made that redundant (since the year is also given in the end date). Thanks for fixing that. Politizer talk / contribs 22:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Understandable. I've had several pages I worked on edited for the sole reason that I had removed that redundancy. If a show ran from September to December of a given year, you don't have to put "September 13, 1995 - December 17, 1995" – just place "September 13 - December 17, 1995". Makes more sense, and easier to read – moreso when simplified down into numbers ("9-13 to 12-17-1995"). Daniel Benfield (talk) 22:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

January 2009
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Sottolacqua (talk) 19:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px|]] Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles . Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Sottolacqua (talk) 19:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

March 2009
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. --Ericdn (talk) 04:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Please remember to mark your edits, as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a "minor edit". Sottolacqua (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop capitalizing random words. Sottolacqua (talk) 02:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Date formatting and linking poll
I answered your question. Please ask more if you are still confused. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You might also be interested in this take-you-by-the-hand essay: Why dates should not be linked. Greg L (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hell no I didn’t mean "take-you-by-the-hand" as an insult (offense taken here). As you can see as you read through the essay, I invested a great deal of effort in writing the essay so it had a step-by-step, "take-you-by-the-hand" tone to take editors through the issues and terminology. Jeez, sorry. I certainly didn’t mean it that way. Your wrote Hence, I wish to request a SIMPLE explanation of the issue at hand and the options. I know it regards the formatting of the dates seen in articles and Infoboxes...maybe. My point is, I request a "simple" version of this and future polls for those who know of the subject (and those who don't) and don't know Wikipedia's technical terms, not wishing to look through scores of help articles only to result in more confusion. You also wrote Not "hick/idiot" terms, mind you, just the basic facts and options for the common man. So I thought my essay should be exactly what you were looking for. Greg L (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Pass the Buck
You continue to make trivial and anecdotal edits to articles. The information you are adding is unenyclopedic and makes the page resemble a fan site. Eight paragraphs about random incidents on a show that lasted three months is quite excessive. Sottolacqua (talk) 11:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

April 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, you may not know that Wikipedia has a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Using different styles throughout the encyclopedia, makes it harder to read. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Please stop capitalizing random words. Sottolacqua (talk) 17:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please do not use styles that are unusual or difficult to understand in articles. There is a Manual of Style that should be followed. Please stop adding random capital letters, dashes and semicolons. Sottolacqua (talk) 14:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive or hard-to-read formatting, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Please stop adding random dashes to articles. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing.Tad Lincoln (talk) 18:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing.Simeon (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

About that "edit"...
Hey, don't worry about it. It's not like I'm an admin or anything. I know what it's like to have siblings who screw things up, and I'm sure you won't get blocked over it. Tad Lincoln (talk) 20:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Linking to YouTube videos
If you take a look at the policy at WP:ELNEVER, Reason #1 clearly states that "Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work." I don't think Sony themselves has posted any videos of Pass the Buck or anyone else of any other game show on YouTube. So, as the rule states, no article should link to them, citation or otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholasm79 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Daytime Wheel of Fortune
Hi. I'm not sure it's relevant that the show aired three (or however many) weeks of reruns immediately before leaving the air 18 years ago. The more important date for the show's history is the one when it left the air altogether, September 20, 1991. Also, is there a reliable source anywhere for the exact date that the last original episode aired? The only source you offer is a link to the (very poor quality) YouTube clip (and see immediately above) which is purportedly of the last ep. Can that air date be verified? And I don't know that private tape collections or fansites would satisfy the criteria as reliable sources. Otherwise, Sept. 20 is the only date that can be sourced. Thanks. 71.68.0.199 (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the airdate can be verified. The closing credits of the 9/20/91 episode show the rules of a contest which ceased at the end of July. And yes, when a show really ended its run versus its "final" airing after repeats is VERY important; the most important date for a show's history is when it stopped airing first-run episodes, unless that information is not available.


 * I direct you to Break the Bank (1985) as proof of this statement – it ran for 39 weeks, and we know when it began. Hence, we have a "proper" end date before the Summer repeats. And the YouTube clip I referenced to is NOT "very poor quality" – it may not be the best, but it's the best there is until GSN decides to rebroadcast the Benirschke/Goen runs. Thanks for understanding. Daniel Benfield (talk) 23:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't question that the last several weeks of aired episodes were reruns. I question whether the airdate of the last first-run episode can be verified and reliably sourced. And thank YOU for understanding. 71.68.0.199 (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Some clarification please...
I see that you did not find my contributions to Wikipedia to be necessarily constructive, but I would love to get some input from you as to how exactly my adding the word "human" to entries on human articles constitutes vandalism. Your own user page describes you as a human, so what is the problem with adding that to other human pages? I appreciate your enthusiasm for the progression of a more comprehensive and accurate Wikipedia, but do not threaten me without a valid reason. The editing of pages is allowed to make them more complete and accurate, and all I have done is add facts into them that were not there. The fact that you would take the time to actually revert each entry where I have made pages more complete, and then threaten me for "vandalism", is simply pathetic. Thank you for your time. Toastman451 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)