User:Deckiller/archive22

Early editing
Yeah, I think we could probably get it there too. Given that it's my second favorite FF (first being FFX obviously), I'd like to help get it to FA status the same as I helped get it to GA. Overall, it looks quite good, though I'd personally like to work on the Reception section a little bit more to adjust some wording and add some more information. I own the issue of EDGE magazine that reviewed this game (I actually owned it before I got the one that reviewed FFX), so I could add some more information (they totally loved it, actually; more than FFX; they gave it out a 9 out 10). I tell you what. Give me a few hours to eat and see how the war over the spoiler tags is progressing (I'd like to kick those out of the FFVIII page if that's okay with you?) and I'll look over the page. I honestly haven't been watching it too closely in the past couple of months, so I'm not sure how it's been altered. I imagine Hibana, yourself and others have been protecting it, though. It looks largely unchanged from how it was when last I looked at it, though the Reception section is different (meaning it looks better). Anyway, I'll check it out soon and we can try to do this. Ryu Kaze 16:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We definitely should compress the Character section. Preferably before we take it to Peer Review. They'll roast us. Ryu Kaze 20:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we're almost done here. We need to compress the Character section some more if at all possible, and we need to make sure our licensing is up-to-date on the images (I'll take care of that part). I think we can be ready for a Peer Review in another day or so provided we run into no problems with condensing the Character section. Ryu Kaze 22:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, the images are all taken care of now. We just have to shorten the Character section and we should hopefully be good to go. Ryu Kaze 23:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Tyler, I've chopped the Characters section down a lot, and it looks a lot better, but I still feel like it's going to be regarded as too long. So what I'm going to do now is make a judgement call and chop off the "Other appearances" section. It's just too trivia-like, and it's probably sutff better left to character pages.
 * Personally, I'd rather keep the information about the GF designs, Edea's design, and Raijin and Fujin's, but I've chopped things down in such a way that if they still say it's too long, we can drop those paragraphs, retaining everything about the central characters, while still accomodating suggestions about length. We're almost ready to go. Ryu Kaze 00:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Cutting and improvement
Alright. If we had to, I think we could also lose the part beginning "During the game's..." and ending "...early in the game." Ryu Kaze 00:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. It might be best to just drop that little table altogether, really. It's cool, but it kind of presents too much of the suggestion of us trying to plug the game, as though we're only trying to show off positive reviews. And the funny thing about that is that in this case, EDGE had almost nothing bad to say about it, and they're the usually the most hard-assed of video game critics. Ryu Kaze 01:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I suppose we should entertain the concept because it's normal procedure. Great job on those edits, by the way. Ryu Kaze 02:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel pretty good about this thing's chances. How about you? Though I think we better make sure it doesn't get any longer than it is now. We don't want to have add a third paragraph to the lead. Ryu Kaze 17:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Image talk
I don't know if it's happening on your screen too or not, but does the Triple Triad image overlap with "Junction system" by any chance? Also, if we use a Triple Triad image, wouldn't it be better to go with one of game in progress, like this one? By the way, if you want a battle image, how about Quezacotl versus a T-Rexaur? Ryu Kaze 02:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good battle images. Ryu Kaze 02:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I can easily get rid of that ugly "IGN Vault" thing if you want one of these. Ryu Kaze 02:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm getting a 404 error when I click on the link. :( Ryu Kaze 02:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. XD Thanks. Yeah, that one's pretty good. I wish we had one that was more of an "action shot," if you follow me. That one would work if we can't find anything better, and it does have some added value due to it displaying those three in military uniform, as well as one of them summoning. I wish we could get something like Squall diving in with a swing, though. And on a better boss. XD Oh well. Like I say, that one's got enough value to be just fine if there's nothing better out there. Ryu Kaze 02:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. Modem died. Anyway, I just think Elvoret's kind of lame to me, but the image would work well. That won't stop me from trying to find a better one, though. XD Ryu Kaze 03:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way again, is the Triple Triad image okay to you? I've still got that overlap problem. Ryu Kaze 03:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't find anything better, so I guess we'll be going with Elvoret. I'll edit the image and include it in the morning. Ryu Kaze 03:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

A Man in Black discussion
Just wondering &mdash; have you had a chance to take a look at FF8 today? Ryu and myself overhauled the article, and we think it's FA-worthy. It's on peer review right now. Thanks :) &mdash; Deckill e r 06:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking very nice. The criticism is a bit choppy, but I guess that's unavoidable with a game so widely-loved but also widely-derided. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear god, that criticism section is easily the most difficult thing I have ever worked on. Ryu and myself took multiple passes on it &mdash; and he's an english teacher. We may need a third person to give us a hand for that section. &mdash; Deckill e r 06:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, so it's not the most difficult thing, obviously, but it was a tough section to write. &mdash; Deckill e r 06:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not so much the grammar as the "This part is good![1] But it's bad![2] But it's good![3]" and so on. I'm not a big fan of the gameplay/graphics/story division (novels aren't reviewed on story/prose/style, are they?), but I guess it's so pervasive in game reviewing that you can't avoid it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I think it's the most difficult section to write in a gaming article because of all the aspects of the game, and all the polarized reviews. When we try to balance criticism sections, we end up forcing it to be choppy, so I guess we'll have to live with it &mdash; I don't really see a solid solution for that section. Oh well :) &mdash; Deckill e r 06:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Getting closer
I really wasn't feeling like the Triple Triad image conveyed anything of value to someone reading Final Fantasy VIII page itself, so I kicked it off and replaced it with the Elvoret fight. I'm also looking into finding a replacement for the Rinoa image. I like it a lot, but I think something that better illustrated the concept would work better. By the way, doing this has really reminded me of how much I love this game. I think it might beat out FFX for me. It's the only one I bought all the toys for, actually. Ryu Kaze 15:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't either, but I'm not going to worry about it unless Peer Review or FAC tells us it's bad and needs to be reworked. Ryu Kaze 14:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agghh, who am I kidding. Of course I'll worry. I'm going to go toy with the wording some. Ryu Kaze 14:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've toyed with it a little. I think it works better now. Ryu Kaze 15:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, I just noticed that we have more images on Final Fantasy VIII than we do Final Fantasy X. I didn't even realize it. I think it's because they all feel so relevant. We've really got some good ones in there, I think. Ryu Kaze 17:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a lot more to my edit than just the "also" thing. :( Ryu Kaze 18:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand that part, and trust your judgement there. I was just wondering why all my recent edits were bad. Ryu Kaze 18:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, it was an edit conflict. Ok. XD Nevermind. Ryu Kaze 18:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I fixed the non-"also" version of the Limit Break line, and then made one for the GFs. See what you think. Ryu Kaze 18:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking good. Nice compressions with the story section. Ryu Kaze 03:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC) I understand. I never did like how we had to cut out so much of the story from FFX in the first place.

Story overhaul
I'll try to help with fixing it. Ryu Kaze 12:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You did a good job on the whole, by the way. I'm going to take care of FFX first, and then I'll head over to FFVIII. It might be a while. Ryu Kaze 12:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've fixed up the Plot section for FFX, but the Different versions section is looking more and more like dead weight. Especially now that our kb count is above 50. I'm thinking we should lose it, especially since we're looking for new gameplay screenshots. I'm going to go ahead and drop it. If you think I'm making a mistake, feel free to rever it. Ryu Kaze 15:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Images
What's with the page's layout? It's all shitty. My field map image should be in the Gameplay heading and the Junction image should be under "Junction system." D: I bet it's the infobox. Well, how does it look to you as it is? Have any better ideas for it? Ryu Kaze 18:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can live with that. Good job. Ryu Kaze 18:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * "Today"? You mean ever. XD We've had to do major overhauls on FFX and FFVIII and we haven't even gotten to FFVIII's FAC yet. D: Ryu Kaze 18:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. If people complain about length again, I'm not going to be so eager to please as I was last time. There's a hell of a lot to a 50-hour game, and we're still omitting a few things as is. Ryu Kaze 18:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I meant to ask: is dropping the merchandise section in FFX a decision you personally would have made? Ryu Kaze 19:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

You know, I thought about that, but then I also thought "Well, what am I going to say? 'It inspired a lot of merchandise'? You could say that about most of them, and in VIII ' s case, it inspired at least as much, but probably more." Maybe I'm just running low on imagination juice. Ryu Kaze 19:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Possibility for a problem I see
When you hold the X and VIII pages beside one another, they mirror each quite effectively. But there's one little issue I'm just now realizing: we're lacking a bit in development details for FFVIII. I'll try to find something, but I don't know if I can. I think they did some motion capture work for it (based on the credits), but I don't have a reference for it and don't know how extensive that was. Ryu Kaze 19:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I might have found us some useful stuff after all! I haven't looked through all of it yet, though. Ryu Kaze 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What I said about not having a reference for motion capture? Forget it. I've almost got the development section ready. Ryu Kaze 21:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

What next?
I'm kind of feeling like working on Final Fantasy X-2. It needs some help once again, but I think -- given what we've done on Final Fantasy X -- it would be a pretty simple matter to fix this one up. Ryu Kaze 00:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. Glad to see you're interested in X-2, as well. I'm going to get some sleep for now, but tomorrow, we can work on gettings this one up to snuff. I think we'll be able to pull it off pretty easily given how seasoned we're becoming at this.
 * P.S. Obviously, the voice list has to go. XD Killing it now. Ryu Kaze 04:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So the best thing we can do is just keep doing our work and ignore it unless someone actually does it, right? Ryu Kaze 21:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

FFX FAR
I obviously think it's wonderful as it is, but more than that, I certainly don't think we should extend an invitation to these political guys to argue out the matter while they use our work to make an example one way or the other. Ryu Kaze 21:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I think we should leave well enough alone and only worry about it if somebody makes an issue out of it. Ryu Kaze 22:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Where was this? And why? It's not like we didn't follow his suggestions. Ryu Kaze 22:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you're concerned about it, go ahead and do what you think is best. I'd rather you feel comfortable about it, though I still think it might be an unnecessary invitation to the inclusionists and deletionists. As mergists, we see the futility of such disagreements, but the same can't be said for everybody. Ryu Kaze 22:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So how does this minor review thing work? Oh, and thanks for stopping by FFX-2. I think most of it's ready to go. The Gameplay section is still to be done. I saved it for last because I wasn't looking forward to it. D: But I've also got to get some development info. I should be able to find something. Ryu Kaze 00:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. So, should we be concerned? 01:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Aye. XD The scenery in our party's not half as nice, though. No offense, of course. Ryu Kaze 01:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, my hair's only about shoulder-length. If I let it get any longer, it looks kind of awkward. Try imagining Russell Crowe's hair in The Quick and the Dead. And, yeah, I also disagree with Flooch's edits. Like, a lot. I'm going to get something to eat before addressing anything, though. Feel free to field this one. Ryu Kaze 01:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the musical score needs to be above the Reception section. Ryu Kaze 01:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. You got it, I see. I'm fine with the changes he made to the merchandise section, though. Looks better, actually. Ryu Kaze 01:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't tie it back. It doesn't feel right to me and doesn't really look right either, I keep it at just enough of a length that it doesn't really get in the way like this either.
 * When I was younger, I never had it long, but as I got older, I tried it out and found that I like it, but that it's also a lot more to take care of. Which is another good reason not to let it get much longer. But I'm sure you know as well as I. XD Ryu Kaze 01:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Tyler, Flooch just pointed out to me that the TFA page has some rather redundant wording. I changed it on the main FFX page, but -- being that the TFAs are fully protected -- well... I don't suppose you could work your magic, could you? Ryu Kaze 01:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

FFX-2
Hey. I was wondering if you could look at X-2 ' s page and see if I made the plot section too long. I didn't expect it to be as long as it was, and that's with including only the major plot details involving the Crimson Squad, Shuyin and Lenne. I didn't include any of the other stuff, and it's still that long. I wasn't expecting this. Ryu Kaze 22:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I don't think I made it too long considering that I'm completely ignoring the unnecessary side-plots (and considering how long FFX is, with X-2 obviously having comparable setup that needs to be addressed), but I thought I'd ask for your advice. Ryu Kaze 22:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day
Michael 02:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Happy First Edit Day you stud of wiki you!  Darthgriz  9  8  20:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Have a Happy First Edit Day. Enjoy! Mr. Turcotte  talk  00:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Wind Waker FAR
Hey Deckiller, I just wanted to say thanks for helping me out with the FAR on Wind Waker. The article has really improved lately, it was great to finally get some help with it. I'll try to help you out with FFVIII if I can.  Pagra shtak  02:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

FF6 FA push discussion
I could use some help from you guys. I am looking to expand the plot section, similar to the FF8 version. I've added a setting section like you said, but it looks like the Plot section needs to be longer. Any help with what to add? I was thinking we could submit this and FFVIII together. Crazyswordsman 21:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy Wikipedia Anniversary

 * Hey Tyler. I wish you happy wiki-birthday, though one day late. I just missed the party. All the best! --Bhadani 17:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a pleasant surprise to receive your message right now. I was reading your user page - this time with rapt attention. I found that you deserve a better position. I wish you all the best and when you decide, I will be around you. --Bhadani 17:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

VaughanWatch

 * Hey, just wanted to give you a heads up that CheckUser has confirmed those two IP's as VaughanWatch socks. Thanks for all your help! - pm_shef 15:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA
I appreciate the sentiment, Tyler. Though I'm also not too sure that it would pass, even if the spoiler discussion has become more civil than ever and everyone's actually begun getting along (the previous developments are probably not a good mark on anybody's record but yours).

Anyway, I don't know that I'd be a great choice for it given my opinionated nature and lack of scruples with regard to voicing my opinion. Which is not to say that I can ' t control myself (I did so just fine when I was an admin at adventchildren.net; I even enforced spoiler warnings there, given that it was part of policy), but I just usually don't care if I piss someone off if they need to be told to stfu. While I can control myself just fine and will recognize/enforce policy to the letter, I'm not sure if you'd really want somebody who isn't a natural... pacifist, I guess?

I'm just not too sure if I'd be the kind of material you guys would want. I've never really been the kind of guy you'd see in the driver's seat of any operation except one involving executing a person (figuratively speaking) or idea (literally speaking). I can take charge and that sort of thing just fine if it involves getting something started and being relentless until it's done (probably the main reason I've ever gotten anything done here), particularly if there's a powerful push for a concept involved, but more often than not, I'm just the guy in the background, really. In the offline world, that's pretty much who I am. It's usually only been online that situations have been presented where I was in a position that looked like I'm a take-charge kind of guy. I'm really just the person you'd hold in reserve until you wanted a jungle of ideas razed to the bare rock with counterpoint napalm.

If you still think I'd be good for it, I'd be willing to go along with a nomination when you felt like it was a good time, but you'd need to know what you were getting. I can do what's asked of me as well as it could be hoped to get done, but you gotta ask yourself if you want somebody who can do things like be patient with vandals or idiots just because they can, or if you want somebody who would do it because it's their nature. In either case, I do certainly appreciate the compliment of confidence such a sentiment expresses. Ryu Kaze 17:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Request
Oh, sorry. o.o;; "Mi'ihen" is used in every other article though, so I didn't really understand his edits.—ウルタプ 19:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Chicago Bears FA push discussion
I've worked on this article for months and have previously nominated it for feature status twice only for it to be rejected. I would like your help since you were apart of the Patriots FA article to check out the Chicago Bears article and tell me what other improvements should be made to this article. --Happyman22 22:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

RfAs
Wow! Thankyou so much for your message. It was very nice and very much appreciated. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 23:53, 16 July 2006 (UTC)