User:Deckiller/archive27

Final Fantasy IX
I would be happy to help! Let me know what problems you think I could help repair and I'm there. Congratulations on Final Fantasy VIII by the way. You must have put in a lot of time playing through it again and working on that article. ~ Hibana 03:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gosh, I haven't played VIII in years. I still have a "super saving" on my memory card, as I do for VII and X, although because of VII's levelling system, I can't say having every character at level 99 is the best situation (Omega Weapon was almost impossible!). I just played through IX for the first time over last Christmas, so it's still fresh on my mind really. ~ Hibana 03:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

FACs
Is it just me or has FAC become a greater outlet for nonsense lately? We've got discussion going on over making guidelines for reviewers (even though we already have some), we've got an individual trying to enforce their personal interpretation of the subjective fair use criteria on every last FAC using images, we've got another user objecting to candidates on the most random and non-actionable grounds possible... what the hell's going on? I'm hoping it's something simple like "The summer's almost over and we've got a bunch of bored kids who will be going back to school soon anyway". Ryu Kaze 14:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that objection's alright. I need to find a source for the colossi turning to earth and we should be good. Ryu Kaze 18:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've actually already gone to Angr's page about it. I did as soon as I'd seen how many FACs he'd placed that objection on.
 * What did you tell me so about, by the way? Ryu Kaze 18:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that happens 99% of the time anyway, really. I'm surprised when it doesn't (like on X-2). It usually takes an FAC before all the kinks get knocked out. Ryu Kaze 18:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean exactly? Ryu Kaze 18:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Well, on the bright side, at least we aren't trying to get VII there, eh? Ryu Kaze 19:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copyedit! Exactly the changes I was about to make. Ryu Kaze 15:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I usually don't doubt your judgement. You should act on it more often. :( Ryu Kaze 15:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, I take the suggestion of "be bold" to heart, I guess. Ryu Kaze 01:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it really all depends on how far you want to go in the political scheme of things. I personally don't care to be anything more than a regular editor, so I place my focus in doing that as effectively as possible. Sometimes it's productive (the reference missions I've gone on, or improving FFX and trying to get it to FA status — though I should have asked for help with that one from the start; we might have gotten it there sooner — or what I did today over on the FAC criteria discussion) and other times it hits a dead end (the mission to eliminate spoiler tags), but I always feel like this is how I'm supposed to operate. Ryu Kaze 01:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

FF Wikiproject Samples
I read your edit summary on the FFWP page, so I thought I'd just comment here- yeah, the Squall page is a lot better than the Cloud one, no worries about bias there. I'd only changed it in the first place because Squall wasn't GA yet. Congrats on getting it there, by the way! --PresN 20:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether or not they can be gotten to FA status, GA isn't too shabby. Squall is a tightly-written piece of work, and the fact that anything that has to do with FF7 is actually GA status instead of a 100kb cruftfest almost gives me a heart attack.  --PresN 20:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

From ANI
. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone
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Re: Idea
It is a good idea, but I'm beginning to feel a little burned out. I might do it, though. I do sort of want to, and there's nothing else I'm going to be working on that I know of. Shadow has made it to FA now and so has X-2, so we shouldn't have to worry about those. What about Chrono Trigger, though? For some reason, Raul didn't think it was ready, I guess, and it's been at FAC longer than X-2 or Shadow. What do you think's wrong there? I also don't predict having too much work to do over on the FAC criteria discussion from this point on. At least nothing that would get in the way of working on another FF page. But, man, this one would face scrutiny like no other. I don't know if it would pass FAC. I'd like to see it make it. I'd really like to see all of them make it, and since we've taken care of VI, VIII, X and X-2, it feels somewhat wrong to leave a gap between those. Ah, what the hell... let's do it. I've only got another couple of weeks or so before I've got to be back to work, and after that, I won't be able to do much, but we might be able to get a lot done in that amount of time. Ryu Kaze 13:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh man. I just looked at Final Fantasy VII and almost fainted. There's a long way to go. Ryu Kaze 13:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * First thing I'm doing: cleaning up the reception section. If that can't be done, then I already know it's a lost cause. I need to get out and find some reviews. Ryu Kaze 13:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's an update for you. I have around a dozen reviews to sift through and multiple websites and magazines containing development-related information. I think we're going to be alright. Ryu Kaze 13:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

XD I'm about to give it up for the night. No worries. I'm just going to fix a couple of references real quick, and then I'll put the rest off until tomorrow. Hopefully the hard part's done. Ryu Kaze 03:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

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Threeway editing
No kidding. I've been here all day, and have worked sparingly on Final Fantasy V (maybe a bit more in the past few hours). But Ryu has gone all-freakin'-out. I told him he should calm down a bit, but I guess featured articles now sustain his lifeforce. :) Yeah, keep up the good work on Final Fantasy IX though. It looks a heeeell of a lot better than it did. ~ Hibana 05:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since he teaches, he didn't have to work this summer. So, he's had a lot of free time. Why he spends it making a joke of the Featured Article system is beyond me. >_< ~ Hibana 05:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * XD This conversation amuses me. Anyway, level with me, Tyler: should I be getting concerned over the length of Final Fantasy VII? It's about to top 80kb. Ryu Kaze 00:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. Do you think it would be possible to utilize a show/hide box for them? Or something else? There is a lot to reference here. Even if I cut everything down to one reference each, there'd still be a ton of the things, probably. Ryu Kaze 03:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly trying to prove anything. XD It's just as I've always said: when I do something, I do it thoroughly. I don't suppose it would be possible to shrink the references even more, would it? We're going to need most of them. Ryu Kaze 03:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I swear, if somebody says "Too many references", that would have to be a Wikipedia first. XD I can't imagine someone claiming that in FAC. Ryu Kaze 03:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Amusingly so, I'm not doing it in response to that. It just worked out this way somehow. I'm not sure how. If IX didn't get FA because of something like that, I'd be shocked. I can't imagine this setting any kind of precedent other than maybe "WTF" becoming a valid FAC comment. Ryu Kaze 03:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it would be quite an honor to set the record for references. Anyway, there actually is an Ultimania for IX now that you mention it. It doesn't explain much, though, from what I've seen. Something specific you were wondering about? Ryu Kaze 03:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a look tomorrow to see if there's some dev info. I know there's an interview with somebody in there. Interviews are harder to translate than straight dissertations, but hopefully I can find something useful for you. Ryu Kaze 03:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know it's bad. :( I am starting to get burned out, but I think the poor prose quality is mainly a result of me just trying to spit everything out, because I know there's so much that has to be covered. Once I'm done getting everything out, I'll go back and tighten it all up. It's a lot easier to work on something after it's established. Though I will partially take your advice and take a break for a few hours. I need to go take care of something anyway. Ryu Kaze 14:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, I won't take it to FAC until you get back. You and I have been there enough now that I'm not personally confident enough in an article I've worked on until I know you think it's good too. Ryu Kaze 14:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for beginning the copyedit for VII even though you're supposed to be on wikibreak. I appreciate it. I know that Tony's technically the copyedit master around these parts, but I'd still rather have you review something first.


 * Anyway, I looked at IX's Ultimania a little bit but didn't see any words that jumped out at me. Obviously I skimmed instead of going for an intensive examination, but I'll look again soon. Before I do that, though, I was hoping you could tell me something specific you'd be looking for. I know you said development stuff, but were there specific aspects of it you were wondering about, or just in general? Ryu Kaze 13:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Break
Take it easy! Dmoon1 20:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Chrono Trigger gets its due
Our efforts have payed off over there. CT is now recognized as one of Wikipedia's best. *puts star in its corner* Ryu Kaze 14:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Copyedit
Glad you're back. May a curse fall upon that place you work for. By the way, I'd argue that the "in order to" in the sentence about Yuffie and her dad is needed. The "in order to" makes it clear that he made his decision so as to protect Wutai's people, whereas it otherwise sounds like it's saying that he chose not to protect them. Ryu Kaze 21:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Does that mean another 20 minutes to finish or another 20 before those evil bastards drag you back to tell people which aisle light bulbs are on? Ryu Kaze 21:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say you're really excelling at this copyedit thing. Ryu Kaze 21:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, do you have an opinion on the discussion of using "Aeris"/"Aerith" in the Final Fantasy VII article? I have to admit, the Guy in Dark Attire swayed me with his argument of using "Aeris" for this article. Since we're quoting the game itself, which used "Aeris", for the sake of internal consistency, we may need to do the same. Ryu Kaze 01:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's because I'm too close to the subject (I wrote the entire article, and after almost 100kb, I guess that's inevitable XD), but I honestly can't see what we could lose from the Plot or Development sections. I mean, the thing is long as hell, yeah, but it does meet the FA criterion of staying tightly focused on the subject. Pesonally, I think if we shortened anything, we'd be losing that comprehensive overview.


 * I mean, looking back through the various Plot sections, I don't see anything we can lose because it's either backstory vital to understanding the rest of it, subplots that have to be touched upon in order to meet comprehensive standards, character design info that we always include and shouldn't cut just on the basis of length (it's technically shorter than VIII's character section anyway), or the major revelations and resolutions of the storyline (and we're still ignoring how much? Rufus gets mentioned one time, we don't mention any specific Turks' names, "huge materia" doesn't pop up, nor does "Sister Ray" or "Northern Cave", Bugenhagen's name doesn't even appear outside of references, all the specifics of Barret, Red, Yuffie and Cid's stories don't even get touched on, etc.). I know there's a lot of content to the article, but there's a lot of content to the game, and we don't even make note of a lot of it. More than most of them have in all honesty.


 * In the Development section, we're able to provide info on the software that was used in the game's development, how many people it took, how much money was spent, what prompted the leap into 3D, the initial 3D experiment (something that resulted in some criticism leveled at Square by gamers, which is mentioned later), the rationale behind some extremely notable decisions that have affected gaming ever since, the difficulties overcome in developing this groundbreaking game, and one of the most intensive marketing campaigns in the history of gaming. Again, I know we've got a lot of content, but this isn't an article about just any game. I know I'm sounding like a Final Fantasy VII zealot when I say that, but it's true. I might not personally worship the game, but it can't be denied its props. This is the World War II of video game articles. I mean, this really is the game that changed everything. Playing video games in the US was suddenly cool, "RPG" became a household name outside Japan, and you could say a game took 60 hours to finish to an awed audience instead of a jeering one.


 * I know there are some people who will oppose on the basis of length alone, but we both know that's not a valid objection. They would have to explain how we got off the subject in the face of us knowing why the information is relevant and able to point it out. There are actually Featured Articles longer this one, such as World War I, Polish-Soviet War, Byzantine Empire and Theodore Roosevelt.


 * I know you also have concerns about the References, but according to Article size, only the main body of prose is supposed to be counted. Reviewers aren't even supposed to look at the references beyond making sure that they're actually referencing what we claim they are.


 * I really feel like it deserves its place as FA like it stands right now. If FA isn't something an article can get just because somebody says "This comprehensive and informative article on a major subject takes me more than half a second to scroll the entire length... and I'm just too lazy to scroll any longer than that" then it's not an honor worth getting. I think we should try it before cutting anything, and only cut if they provide some darn good reasoning. I usually go with your advice, and I won't consider moving the article forward until you agree with me, but this time, I feel sure of our current standing. I really feel sure. Ryu Kaze 13:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the really nice comments and getting the FAC started. I had no idea you thought so highly of it. Thanks a lot. I should probably go ahead and fix that "Aeris" thing now. o.o Ryu Kaze 17:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

1a
Thanks, Deck. Tony 08:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

PS "Dissertation"? Which, mine? A few people have hard copies, and it's in the dungeon in a USyd library; the electronic version died with my hard disk years ago. No back up, damn it. I'm too distracted to publish articles from it at the moment. :-(

Leonhart (a real Lionheart)
I'd would like to thank you infinite times for making FF VIII and FF VI FA articles. May Zell, Sqall, Sabin and Celes help you through precarious situations ! Cheers. Amir85 21:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy IX Ultimania
I can see where they're asking about some of the ideas that were implemented, but I didn't get too deep into it. Are there some specific aspects of development you're still looking for info on? That would make things infinitely easier for me because I could just translate a term like "summons" into Japanese and scan the paragraphs for that term. If it's just general info you're looking for, I'll just take the longer route and do it anyway.

I imagine there's not a lot in English about the game's development since it wasn't as commercially successfull as VII, VIII or X. Unfortunately, like I mentioned before, this Ultimania isn't anything like the Ultimanias for VII, X or X-2. The Ultimania Omegas are the ones with extensive coverage. There's still info in X ' s I don't know about. There might not be a whole lot here, really. Ryu Kaze 20:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's almost like the development team of IX was ashamed to show their faces and claim having worked on it (understandable). Even VIII ' s Ultimania had more development info than this thing. That one had an interview at the end of each section with the team that had worked on that segment of the game. This one's got nothing — except a five page interview with the director at the very back. Poor bastards. Ryu Kaze 20:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel stupid. I've spent the last ten minutes trying to figure out the meaning of one of the terms Itou was using when describing ATB... checking various resources for anything similar... and I neglected to look at the very next line where the guy doing the interview asked him what the term means. XD Ryu Kaze 21:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I felt the same way to be honest. We did overdo it on SotC's talk page. I think we were okay on the FAC, though. Anyway, you're right about the being burned out thing. It's probably good that this is my last big push. And now I'm starting to try translating some Japanese too. XD That always makes me irritable. On the bright side, though, there is a lot of interesting stuff there it looks like. It's just going to be interpreting it correctly. Anyway, take a break for a couple of hours. I'm about to. Ryu Kaze 21:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

GoOdCoNtEnT
I appreciate your intervention; however, Goodcontent has generally been a good contributor. I really think a month block is too harsh. Would you please consider shortening it to the original one week? Raul654 06:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Final fantasy FAC
I appreciate your enthusiasim for promoting the Final Fantasy VII FAC, but there was no need to snap. My message made it clear that I did not want to object and was looking for a reason not to object. Moreover I was approaching the article clean with no previous involvement and was unaware of what had happened in previous FACs. As it happens, I shall not be objecting, and may yet support, but it would aid your cause to take a less aggressive approach towards critics. They can, occassionally, be right. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, forgive me; I wasn't attempting to be incivil, I was just trying to nip any issues in the bud. Ryu and myself have been on the verge of burning out for a while now, so we've been a little snappy to a lot of people without noticing. It was definitely not geared toward you, it was geared toward the concept in general, showing what we were going through without trying to put you in the middle. I wasn't trying to deem you a deletionist, I was trying to explain how we were trying to find middle ground. So while it may have been quite frank, I certainly didn't snap or anything, I was just trying to be upfront :) In terms of taking an aggressive appraoch toward critics, I rarely do so; accepting criticism is one of the things I usually pride myself with. I just tend to state my case, as does Ryu; we were also just tired of the length issues in general ^_^ &mdash; Deckill e r 06:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, no offence taken. Good luck with the rest of the FAC. I really do think it is good work, and I admire your and Ryu's zeal for finding development information on games. I wish the Pokemon enthusiasts would do the same. Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That'll probably be after the star wars reorganization and the Woonsocket Rhode Island push...and the rewrite of the Xenosaga articles....a Wikipedian's work is never done! God, tell me about it. At the current rate of one bird family FA every six months I'll finish them all in 75 years! Wikibreaks are good, I take informal ones all the time. I've been working on seabird for almost 18 months now - I just get fed up and run away to do something else. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll never even make admin. I simply don't care enough about housecleany type stuff (I'll do my share but not really more), and given my occasional long absences due to fieldwork that pretty much makes sure that I'd never get through the rfa wringer. I don't much care though, since all I actually want to do is write, but I sometimes wonder if it is good for the project to have so many admins all picked in the same way rather than a sample of different users. But then I go back to worrying about seabird and forget about it :P ! Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Figured I'd just add my new message down here since it's a related topic. I was thinking: I have a reference from GameSpot for the line about the V/VI skill system combo (I meant to include it when I wrote the line, actually; too many references to remember, I guess). Do you think I should find a way to add that back in, or does it not contribute much? I thought it might add a little something because of the comparison to other games' battle systems. Do you think it might work better in the Critical response section? Ryu Kaze 13:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You know, I honestly can't remember. I'm not quite sure how to nip this one in the bud (you have said that quite a few times lately, but for good reason XD). I'd like to add the Middle Ages line back in, but I'm having trouble finding a nice reference for it. It's really obvious from when you play the game, but I don't want it to get accused of being OR. Ryu Kaze 02:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Gaming Colab of the Week
Just thought I'd give you a heads up, since you're interested in Xenosaga, and it's sort of related- I've nominated Xenogears for a Gaming Collab of the Week. I'm just canvasing for votes a bit. Thanks! --PresN 21:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

edits to WP:WBFAN
Hi - I noticed you made some edits to WP:WBFAN that didn't show up in the new automated run I did. The automated update uses Featured articles nominated in 2006 (and the other by-year articles) as input. If attribution fixes aren't made in these articles they get overwritten the next time I run the update script. If you wouldn't mind, could you update these articles as appropriate? Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars update
I know your busy right now tending to the Final Fantasy VII and Chrono Cross FACs (I thought you were going on a much needed and earned break) so this isn't anything that requires immediate attention.

The Padmé FAC has been going VERY slow, so I used the time to come up with a revisionist draft of the Palpatine article. I noticed on your page that you plan on implementing a Star Wars Anticruft Campaign, and I don't know what your plans are for this, but I decided to be bold and revise one of the more major articles in the Star Wars project. I didn't replace the current Palpatine article. I userfied my draft here: User:Dmoon1/Draft. It is modeled after the Jabba the Hutt and Padmé Amidala articles and is ROUGH (I haven't really copyedited it yet). I wanted a senior Star Wars editor's opinion before I just totally revised and replaced one of the more popular (and guarded) articles here. Dmoon1 01:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright. I'm going to wait until the Padmé FAC is over before I copy and paste it over; hopefully you won't be too busy with FF or Xenosaga when the time comes. Dmoon1 03:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Wangi/RFA
Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy VII copyedit
Hey, it's fine. I appreciate you wanting to leave the bulk of it to me, but if a copyedit was needed, it's needed. I appreciate what work you did perform on it, and the copyedit conducted last night improved the article's prose anyway, so it's all fine. After seeing the changes that were made, I'm surprised no one called it out on the prose before then. Ryu Kaze 14:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyedit request
I'm looking for help on properly copyediting the Megatokyo article, in order to help it pass 1a of the featured article criteria. User:Tony1 (who objected on the article's nomination page) and User:Ryu Kaze (who was already so kind as to copyedit a large portion of the article) have both recommended you, so I felt I should ask if you were up for it. If you aren't, would you be so kind as to suggest someone who I might be able to ask for assistence? Thanks. JimmyBlackwing 20:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, Deck. Glad you're helping out on that one. I've done all I can wrack my brain to do for today, and I've got a big week starting up, so I'm going to be slowly withdrawing from active duty now. As I've gone over all I'm comfortable copyedting on the Megatokyo article, I hope you can catch anything I missed. I really hope that article passes. I'd never read the comic before, but for some reason I've really liked the article since I first saw it on FAC. I think after you've gone over the prose to weed out the remaining redundancies and informal speech, it should be solid. I got rid of a lot of them, but I'm sure I missed some (especially since I worked backwards from Reception through Themes). Anyway, good luck. I'll check in as time allows until FFVII's FAC has ended. After that, I'll probably be done for quite some time. Ryu Kaze 02:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Randallrobinstine is back
I know that you previously blocked his static IP indefinitely, however it was unblocked by Nlu a while ago due to policy limitations regarding how long IPs can be blocked. This has since been changed, and it is now acceptable policy to block static IPs used only for vandalism indefinitely. You might consider re-blocking indefinitely, as doing so could put an end to this vandal for good.--67.67.217.220 03:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Good catch :)
Thanks Judgesurreal777 05:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Siva
Hi there Deckiller. Just wondering if it would be a good idea to get a training program for Siva. There are only a few things that can be easily fixed I think. I think he seems to get unfairly stigmatised too much - a lot of guys never get such a reputation. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

jingles
It's Fowler's term for undesirable repetitions, such as my "case-by-case basis" in one version of the FAC criteria. I thought of using the term for its ability to attract attention ...

Heavy roadwork going on there. Those show/hide examples are fiddly! Tony 03:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Nuclear age
This quote was knawing at me: "The major factor to the start of the nuclear age was that the Japanese gave every non-criminal defensive weaponry". I thought that Los Alamos and the Manhatten project was primarily about beating the Germans to the bomb. Or are you defining the beginning of the nuclear age as dropping the bombs? Besides that are you implying that the Japanese were more effective since they had more 'admins with the tools' ? What about friendly fire casualties? You don't think they would rise? David D. (Talk) 03:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)