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Osborn supports raising the national minimum wage, guaranteeing access to abortion, facilitating union organizing, protecting gun rights, securing the border and exploring ways to legalize some undocumented workers

the legalization marijuana in Nebraska (initially forfor medical use), nationally, guaranteeing access to abortion,  protecting gun rights,  facilitating union organizing. He condemns the inflation of the Biden era, but blames corporate greed and price gouging. He speaks of the U.S. border in distinctly Republican ways.

“Without borders you don’t have a country,” he said, though he added that once the border is closed, Congress should explore ways to legalize some undocumented workers already in the U.S.

Early in Israel’s war in Gaza, campaign advisers told him to put out a statement staking a position. He refused, saying that it was not an issue he wants associated with his campaign. “Dan has to get a message out that transcends political lines and goes to their pocketbooks,” said Josh Josoff, an ally with the International Union of Elevator Constructors. “Don’t let the wedge issues pull you away.”

On the one issue he most certainly will not be able to escape, the presidential campaign, he seemed genuinely befuddled. Nebraska is overwhelmingly behind Donald J. Trump, as is Ms. Fischer. Mr. Osborn is not, a potential campaign killer this November. But he is not backing President Biden either.

“I think they’re both too old; I think they’re both incompetent,” he said, finally settling on a position. “There’s a good chance I won’t vote for president.”

List of mayors of the 50 largest cities in the United States WikiProject Cities/US Guideline

Wikipedia:ALLORNOTHING describes the different paths for eligibility, expediting the process for various types of office holders (who are pressumed to have met the GNG requirements).

NPOL says NOTHING about who in politics qualifies for an article and who in politics does not qualify for an article, so yes, you are incorrect. It simply and straightforwardly describes who gets "presumed notability" based on the level of elected office. Nothing more and nothing less and certainly not all the other things with which you wish to endow it. NPOL is subordinate to GNG, and so your claim that it isn't and suggested attempt to supersede GNG, are also incorrect. It's nonsense to say NPOL itself would be entirely meaningless because nobody would ever have to be measured against it at all anymore. Yes, they would, by the clearly written criteria and they would pass it or not. Oliver has been measured against that criteria and he doesn't pass, and therefore, does not 'automatically' qualify for an article based on NPOL "additional criteria". That he does not fulfil the clearly written criteria does not disqualify him for an article, so yes in a way he's exempt from any further NPOL discussion because a determination has been and very simply it is no longer is relevant to him or the discussion. The sourcing/references about him are being reviewed based on GNG, as is appropriate. And since this AfD is about Oliver (and not about every candidate in every election) your argument in it:


 * Please provide proof of your claim that Reason (magazine) is not independent of the subject and other sources in the article.
 * Please see Trivial mentions to understand what is meant by significant and trivial at Wikipedia and back up your claim that full length articles on the subject are the latter.
 * There's also ROUTINE and

The libertarian-leaning publication disqualification and the convoluted "curiosity piece" criteria are not described nowhere in Wikipedia (except above) and not supported by it guidelines. Despite the disingenuous description the full length articles in major national publications that are about and fully feature Oliver are reliable sources that determine that he garners enough attention that goes way beyond ordinary election coverage and satisfy the policy guiding notability. Their dismissal is simply an expression of I just don't like it.

Now moving on and adding other convoluted criteria mentioned nowhere in Wikipedia is no helpful or useful. All of the independent (of the subject) publications (libertarian of otherwise) from across the nation are curious enough to write full length articles that feature Oliver as a person (so why not call them all "curiousity pieces", whatever that is supposed to mean, editorial staff demonstrated enough curiosity to assign the articles). that discuss elections but focus on him. Those reliable sources have determine that he garners enough attention to satisfy the the policy guiding notability. They have determined that he is notable. The coverage (above and in article) is national and significant and sustained.

“The totalitarian phenomenon,” the French philosopher Jean-François Revel once noted, “is not to be understood without making an allowance for the thesis that some important part of every society consists of people who actively want tyranny: either to exercise it themselves or — much more mysteriously — to submit to it.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arizona/articles/2022-04-24/developer-studying-the-potential-for-wind-farm-near-tucson

The platted town is per this above unmentioned reference is legally recognized, which is a presumption of nobility per Geoland. (since there are likely offline sources. This third, also unmentioned above about the dam is not a database, but an extensive description. Primary sources support facts for verifiability.

No, their explanation is very specific in its supposed "cutoff" about types of cities and heights of buildings, an attempt write guideline, and goes onto say The consensus here represents a definition that the city for this list is below that cutoff. It's not a courtesy, it's overstepping and is in conflict with the role of a closer. Djflem (talk) 04:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, combined with others that provide adequate coverage that would satisfy

https://hudsonreporter.com/2022/03/23/hoboken-presses-for-new-vision-of-yards-redevelopment-plan/ https://hudsonreporter.com/2022/10/05/officials-break-ground-on-hoboken-connect-redevelopment-project/

There were also proposals to include a cannon.

Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the ... Congress, Volume 61,Deel 2 Auteur	United States. Congress Uitgever	U.S. Government Printing Office, 1921

While there are numerous quadripoints in the USA (three Indiana counties quadripoints (Starke Marshall/Pulaski/Fulton; Porter/LaPorte/Jasper/Starke; DeKalb/LaGrange/Noble/Steuben) few other appears to be named/memorialized such as this one was more than one hunderd years ago. Looking at Category:Quadripoints and higher with 15 entries worldwide the phenomen seems highly unusal, specialized, and notable. So Four Presidents Corners would be among that very select group.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=psQwwyHRfwoC&q=Four+Presidents+Corners,+Indiana&dq=Four+Presidents+Corners,+Indiana&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1npjprpf6AhUjhf0HHRTuA944ChDoAXoECAYQAg

Auteur	Allan Wolk Uitgever	T. Nelson, 1977 Oorspronkelijk uit	de University of Wisconsin - Madison Gedigitaliseerd	18 mei 2010 ISBN	0840765622, 9780840765628

A new and complete gazetteer of the United States: giving a full and comprehensive review of the present condition, industry, and resources of the American confederacy

A New Universal Gazetteer



The right is very upset that they are being judged by their character and not the color of their skin.

https://www.porterco.org/DocumentCenter/View/266/Precinct_1_Jackson_01?bidId= by Isaac C. B. Suman (1831-1911) who had served during the Civil War as Colonel and commander of the 9th Indiana Infantry Regiment

Suman Farm and Mill, Jackson Township

Historians hear of the Ghost Towns of Duneland

Porter County, Indiana, GenWeb - Biography for Isaac C. B. Suman

An article published on February 3, 1959, in The Vidette-Messenger [Volume 32, Number 178, Pages 1 and 6] provides detailed information concerning General Isaac C. B. Suman, founder of the town of Suman in Jackson Township. In this article it is also mentioned that "When the [Baltimore & Ohio] railroad came in 1872 Gen. Suman established a townsite which prospered for a time. Gen. Suman was postmaster there for several years, and he promoted a number of civic enterprises, not the least of which was the Suman Cornet Band, which in those days, was a necessary adjunct to every nearby celebration."

under extreme Republican gerrymanders—some, like those in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Ohio, still in force although the state judges have said they are illegal—

Throwing out bunch of guidelines and essays to see if any any of them stick is not arguing positively in a AfD. Clarifying how they may not be applicable. Conveniently ignoring a guide:

What does" "but the real notability is coming from GNIS, because there are plenty of places it doesn't name which also have routine real estate coverage"..."And yes, there's longstanding consensus that GNIS doesn't confer notability mean? That real nobility comes from GNIS, but GNIS does confer notability?

NY Harbor
1979 definition Port Series New York Harbor is at the mouth of the Hudson River where it empties into New York Bay near the East River tidal estuary, and then into the Atlantic Ocean on the east coast of the United States. It is one of the largest natural harbors in the world, and is frequently named the best natural harbor in the world.

Although the United States Board on Geographic Names does not use the term, New York Harbor has important historical, governmental, commercial, and ecological usages. It has been used to refer specially the Upper New York Bay, which is enclosed by the New York City boroughs of Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Staten Island and the Hudson County, New Jersey, municipalities of Jersey City and Bayonne. or all of New York Bay including the Lower New York Bay. It is also used entirety of the New York

Mr. Perry; Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio; Representatives Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar and Debbie Lesko of Arizona; Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama; Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida; Representative Jody Hice and Ms. Greene of Georgia; Representative Louie Gohmert of Texas; and Representative Lauren Boebert of Colorado.

Annual Report of the Director of Locomotive Inspection to the Interstate Commerce Commission

Annual Report of the Director of Locomotive Inspection to the Interstate Commerce Commission, Volumes 21-32 Auteur	United States. Interstate Commerce Commission. Bureau of Locomotive Inspection gepubliceerd	1932

When writing about geography, in this case a populated place, any encyclopedia should include certain information such as name, location, population, size, water/land surface area, altitude, etc. It can also include other information on demography and governance. (In the English Wikipedia, Verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source.) Therefore it is useful and wise to review an article to see how sources are being used particularly in infoboxes which if well done contain pertinent facts.

Actually the delineation and establishment of geographic borders of known, recognizable unincorporated places with which its population identifies is work done by local and state bodies in conjunction with the Census Bureau.

Bellevue Lake is a reservoir in New Castle County, Delaware north of Bellevue State Park near Bellevue. Created by the impounding of Stoney Creek in 1936, it has a capacity of 100 millions gallons of water. Bellevue Lake is a remnant of the Old Bellevue Quarry, which was allowed to fill. (The harvested stone was used to build the Delaware Breakwater ) It is 0.2 mi miles across and covers 11 acre. The reservoir supplied the Wilmington and Suburban Water Comopany, which was founded in 1933 and has since absorbed into Suez Water. Located in a mostly suburban area north of Wilmington, it is surrounded by forest and is one of the last natural places in northern Delaware.

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As seen in lists of CDPs by state recording CDPs is one of the features/functions of a gazetteerthat Wikipedia performs. While that coverage has remained fairly constant and increased archives show that since 2018 there have been approximately 30 articles for deletion nominations discussions involving CDPs. The outcomes of those nominations are represent by a broad base of Wikipedia editors. As seen in the +/- 17 resultant redirects there is a clear community-wide understanding of Wikipedia:PLACEOUTCOMES:Smaller suburbs are generally merged, being listed under the primary city article, except when they consist of legally separate municipalities or communes and GEOLAND:If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it., where the redirect target CDP is the general article of recognised populated place. (One can also note that there have NO redirects to the incorporated county in which a CDP is located).


 * Wikipedia's level of consensus

That said, CDPs appear to all under the of the Wikipedia weasel word phrase 'informal' places, because they are not incorporated. They are 'communities that lack separate governments but otherwise resemble incorporated places. They are settled population centers with a definite residential core, a relatively high population density, and a degree of local identity." and

CDPS

 * Census designated places (CDPs) are communities that lack separate governments but otherwise resemble incorporated places. They are settled population centers with a definite residential core, a relatively high population density, and a degree of local identity. Often a CDP includes commercial, industrial, or other urban types of land use. Before each decennial census, CDPs are delineated by State and local agencies, and by tribal officials according to Census Bureau criteria. The resulting CDP delineations are then reviewed and approved by the Census Bureau. The Census Bureau has used slightly different definitional criteria for CDPs, depending on their geographic location; such specialized criteria reflect the uniquely different living conditions or settlement patterns found in certain areas and the relative importance of settlement size.
 * Census designated places (CDPs) are communities that lack separate governments but otherwise resemble incorporated places. They are settled population centers with a definite residential core, a relatively high population density, and a degree of local identity. Often a CDP includes commercial, industrial, or other urban types of land use. Before each decennial census, CDPs are delineated by State and local agencies, and by tribal officials according to Census Bureau criteria. The resulting CDP delineations are then reviewed and approved by the Census Bureau. The Census Bureau has used slightly different definitional criteria for CDPs, depending on their geographic location; such specialized criteria reflect the uniquely different living conditions or settlement patterns found in certain areas and the relative importance of settlement size.


 * The commission has defined 'communities' as geographically identifiable population groupings. Generally, if the community is incorporated or listed in the U.S. Census, that is sufficient to satisfy its status.
 * The commission has defined 'communities' as geographically identifiable population groupings. Generally, if the community is incorporated or listed in the U.S. Census, that is sufficient to satisfy its status.


 * CDPs are statistical geographic entities representing closely settled, unincorporated communities that are locally recognized and identified by name. They are the statistical equivalents of incorporated places, with the primary differences being the lack of both a legally-defined boundary and an active, functioning governmental structure, chartered by the state and administered by elected officials.
 * 1. A CDP constitutes a single, closely settled center of population that is named.
 * 2. A CDP generally consists of a contiguous cluster of census blocks comprising a single piece of territory and containing a mix of residential and commercial uses similar to that of an incorporated place of similar size. Some CDPs, however, may be predominantly residential; such places should represent recognizably distinct, locally known communities, but not typical suburban subdivisions.
 * The CDP name should be one that is recognized and used in daily communication by the residents of the community. Because unincorporated communities generally lack legally defined boundaries, a commonly used community name and the geographic extent of its use by local residents is often the best identifier of the extent of a place, the assumption being that if residents associate with a particular name and use it to identify the place in which they live, then the CDP’s boundaries can be mapped based on the use of the name. There should be features in the landscape that use the name, such that a non-resident would have a general sense of the location or extent of the community;
 * The CDP name should be one that is recognized and used in daily communication by the residents of the community. Because unincorporated communities generally lack legally defined boundaries, a commonly used community name and the geographic extent of its use by local residents is often the best identifier of the extent of a place, the assumption being that if residents associate with a particular name and use it to identify the place in which they live, then the CDP’s boundaries can be mapped based on the use of the name. There should be features in the landscape that use the name, such that a non-resident would have a general sense of the location or extent of the community;

''The Census Bureau did not receive any comments in response to the proposed criteria published in the Federal Register on February 15, 2018 (83 FR 6934). As a result, the proposed criteria are adopted as final criteria without change.''


 * The CDP concept and delineation criteria have evolved over the past seven decades in response to data user needs for place-level data. This evolution has taken into account differences in the way in which places were perceived, and the propensity for places to incorporate in various states. The result, over time, has been an increase in the number and types of unincorporated communities identified as CDPs. This also results in an increasing consistency in the relationship between the CDP concept and the kinds of places encompassed by the incorporated place category, or a compromise between localized perceptions of place and a concept that would be familiar to data users throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Island Areas.
 * Although not as numerous as incorporated places or municipalities,[4] CDPs have been important geographic entities since their introduction for the 1950 Census (CDPs were referred to as “unincorporated places” from 1950 through the 1970 decennial censuses).
 * According to the 2010 Census, more than 38.7 million people in the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Island Areas lived in CDPs. The relative importance of CDPs varies from state to state depending on laws governing municipal incorporation and annexation, but also depending on local preferences and attitudes regarding the identification of places.
 * According to the 2010 Census, more than 38.7 million people in the United States, Puerto Rico, and the Island Areas lived in CDPs. The relative importance of CDPs varies from state to state depending on laws governing municipal incorporation and annexation, but also depending on local preferences and attitudes regarding the identification of places.







FL

 * The Division of Library and Information Services - Florida Department of State lists cities, towns, and CDPS; it does not list census tracts.




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 * NOTE An review of WikiProject Deletion sorting for Geography Archive from 2018-to date reveals the community-wide response to AfDs for CDPs:
 * 1. There have been 7 keeps of CDPs
 * 2. There has been 1 keep of a CDP specifically segregated in a bundled nomination
 * 3. There have been 17 redirects/merges of neighborhoods/unincorporated communities to CDP which is targeted primary article of recognized populated place
 * 4. There has been 1 redirect of a former CDP (disambiguation)
 * 5. There has been 1 deletion of former CDP (article split
 * 6. There have been 2 no consensus to delete CDP*
 * The two no consensus to delete show that:
 * here 5 of 8 participants (including nominator, 1 redirect) stated the CDPS should always be kept
 * here of 4 participants (including nominator) 2 stated that CDPs should be kept

Wikipedia:PLACEOUTCOMES:Smaller suburbs are generally merged, being listed under the primary city article, except when they consist of legally separate municipalities or communes and GEOLAND:If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it., where the CDP has the primary article or recognised populated place or administrative subdivision) Template:Lists of CDPs by state

CDPs have a form of "official recognition", by the Census Burueau, and, are not as claimed: "often simply accounting units used in the census, they are not required to have any centre or any actual community associated with them" or that they are "purely for statistics and planning." The actual definition is better taken from the reliable source, rather than opinion such as above. That definition is detailed in that clearly states that CDPS are geographic entities (as well as statistical equivalents of incorporated areas), and are identified as communities by the population associated with them. (One cannot help but to observe that four of the five editors who !voted for deletion are the same parties who are promoting deletion here. To suggest that they represent a community-wide consensus is beyond absurd (especially when considering the fact they also tend to be avid AFD nominators and/or deletion !voters.)

which states:
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenilworth, Erie County, New York (contributor, delete because it not CDP)
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midway Corners, Indiana (2nd nomination) changing opinion
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tremont, Fishers, Indiana what's this?
 * They are the statistical equivalents of incorporated places, with the primary differences being the lack of both a legally-defined boundary and an active, functioning governmental structure, chartered by the state and administered by elected officials.

Francis S. Gabreski Air National Guard Base New York Skyports Seaplane Base Little Ferry Seaplane Base

Cradle of Aviation Museum Rockaway Airport Rockaway Naval air station 

The Dunning-Kruger effect: in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.

Representatives Jim Jordan, Scott Perry (R-PA), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Louie Gohmert (R-TX), and Mo Brooks (R-AL), who wore a bullet-proof vest to give his speech at the Ellipse on January 6, were all actively involved in the attempt to interfere with the peaceful transition of power, a core element of our representative democracy.

Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Lauren Boebert (R-CO), Mo Brooks (AL), Madison Cawthorn (R-NC), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Louie Gohmert (R-TX).

RECONNAISSANCE? Jim Jordan (GOP-OH) Matt Gaetz (GOP-FL) Lauren Boebart (GOP-CO) Marjorie Taylor Greene (GOP-GA) Paul Gosar (GOP-AZ) Andy Biggs (GOP-AZ)

In the 2008 Heller case, the Supreme Court acknowledged that the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not allow a person to “keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

Civic group formation

Republican leaning typhoid in 1948

The homes were marketed as being FHA-approved.

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Neither the nomination nor the above ivotes appear to be based in any Wikipedia policy or guideline, or for not following the guideline which pertains to this article, namely GEOLAND which specifically states: If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it.

Wikipedia:Neutral point of view relates how material is presented in Wikipedia articles and to the point of view of sources, namely that the Wikipedia can report on the point of view, but not adopt it. There's no begging the question, it's a direct question about the use of primary sources, asked at the top of this discussion. (It is not about whether people liked living near highways or anything else in the long-winded aberration above nor is it specifically about the example given, which as is mentioned is resolved.) It is a broader question about careful use of primary sources, which seems to been answered with: "I think it's reasonable to include a brief mention of AC based on this source".


 * Opinions are personal point of view, which should be set aside when approaching AFDs. To claim that all suburban communities are the same and thus have no room for inclusion is misguided. They may have similarities, as do cities, as do Levittown and Llewellyn Park, but they have their own distinct topography, history, architecture, population, design, governance, identity, etc (documented or not). The knee-jerk reaction appears to automatically assume suburban developments should be automatically deleted instead of being properly researched. The most basic, essential 'feature' or 'element' of gazeteer is to document places, and that is the feature Wikipedia has adopted with the caveat that if "article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the informal place should be included in the more general article on the legally recognized populated place or administrative subdivision that contains it".



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They issue at the article you mentioned was resolved exactly as you suggested. All the other stuff about living near the highway etc etc etc etc etc is not the question here. The question is whether advertisements/advertorials can be used to verify a fact such a above when used in such a way.

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It is irrelevant that the CDPs and other unincorporated communities in NJ are part of an incorporated municipality. They represent clearly identifiable, recognized, named places, sections, districts, areas, neighborhoods, areas, etc. (Some more well-known - (Iselin, Ocean Grove, Radburn, for example - than others.) While some neighborhoods might be debatable, CDP's are very clearly defined settlements (see above Census Bureau definition).





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I know people have been highly critical of the Trump presidency. But to be fair, President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate,” lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis “very fine people,” suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries, called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation,” claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people,” claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a “stone cold loser,” falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus,” hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear, called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas,” used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters,” threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors’ inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ,” threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,” seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, “ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks,” forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings,” allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a “super-duper” secret “hydrosonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “Fuck tha Police” at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment. But other than that. .

RECONNAISSANCE?
 * Jim Jordan (GOP-OH)
 * Matt Gaetz (GOP-FL)
 * Laurn Boebart (GOP-CO)
 * Marjorie Taylor Greene (GOP-GA)
 * Paul Gosar (GOP-AZ)
 * Andy Biggs (GOP-AZ)

Why is it TP people (who seem to think they are so smart/intelligent) don't know the difference between a “Social Democrat” and a “Socialist.”

It is so simple—A Social Democrat wants to keep our market-based capitalist economic system but wants to have a lot of federal government social programs such as Social Security and Medicare to help the people. A Socialist wants to abolish capitalism and have a socialist economy. What is so hard to understand about this? They are not the same thing.

How can someone be a socialist when they want to keep capitalism?

And, if supporting a social program such as Social Security makes someone a socialist, then that would make Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, and John F. Kennedy socialists. Really? With that line of thinking, most conservative-Republicans are socialists. Who has said that they want to abolish our market-based capitalist economic system and replace it with a socialist economic system? NO ONE HAS. Not Joe Biden. Not Bernie Sanders. Not AOC. What is not to understand?

It is ridiculous and absurd to claim that anyone and everyone who is to the political “left-of-center” is somehow some kind of a socialist or a communist or a Marxist, or a radical-leftist.

Sound familiar?
 * America, love it or leave it.
 * Elections have consequences.
 * Show respect for your new President.
 * Your side lost, deal with it.
 * This is God's plan.
 * Triggered much snowflake?
 * The American people have spoken.
 * You're just mad your side lost.
 * Fuck your feelings.

We do not have coalition governments. In Michigan, Trump (R) defeated Hillary Clinton (D) by 10,704 votes, while Stein (Green Party) got 51,463 votes In Wisconsin, Trump margin over Clinton was 22,177, while Stein garnered 31,006 votes. In Pennsylvania Stein (Green Party) total of 49,485 votes was slightly smaller than Trump’s victory margin of 67,416 votes

Lists
Lists of (tallest) buildings of cities offer a lot of information list format that provide readers a basis for understanding the development, growth (patterns), skyline, streetscape, economy, architectural and cultural history, etc etc. of the place.


 * 1) Policies and guidelines specific to lists (as detailed above) clearly state that notability as group are not required for lists of this type.
 * 2) HEY applies here: August 15 <> August 25 substantially improved.
 * 3) Of 18 buildings listed (15 extant, 3 demolished) 5 are on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Montgomery County, Alabama which speaks to their notabilty.
 * 4) Of 18 buildings listed (15 extant, 3 demolished) 5 are "blue-linked", with individual articles on Wikipedia; that is oft-used reason/logic for @ AFDs for keep. (as is the converse). So claim in nomination is now incorrect.
 * 5) While it was a ridiculous argument to make other stuff arguments keep coming back, and far enough as guidance:
 * 6) No consensus has been been developed with some AFDs (mostly all poorly attended) for lists of this type: They have been, kept, deleted, merged or redirected.
 * 7) Of the Category:Lists of buildings and structures, 125 of these lists for American cities already, which demonstrates an interest in lists of this sort (very many absent of the "unrequired" notabilty as group.

Rank
Absent a consensus, editors seek guidance from the guidelines specific to lists outlined above, which you have not addressed. LISTN explicitly states: There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists...Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.) While editors are urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists, it is not a requirement, but simply "one accepted reason" why "List of Xs" are allowed. (not, please note, the specifically mentioned "Lists of X of Y"). Editors can also take guidance from practice on Wikipedia, where having such lists is standard.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RSA Tower RSA Dexter Avenue Building

HEY applies here: August 15 <> August 24

\==Tallest== Downtown Revitalization | City of Montgomery, AL Construction starts on high-rise student housing

As clearly stated in Notability: There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists...Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.... Please refer to Category:Lists of buildings and structures.Djflem (talk) 05:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Vacant downtown building to become hotel with 4 restaurants, rooftop bar https://eu.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/11/15/vacant-downtown-building-become-hotel-4-restaurants-rooftop-bar/864107001/

Talk:List of tallest buildings in Gary

I would suggest that your citation of IINFO is in itself indiscriminate since this list is not any of the things mentioned there, but rather as detailed above fulfills: SALAT, Wikipedia:LISTPURP, Wikipedia:CSC, LISTCRITERIA and LISTN. (And since Other stuff exists is again mentioned, I refer you, to Category:Lists of buildings and structures, which is replete with "Lists of X of Y" of many cities of many sizes and and the other pile: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Tirana (merge), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Columbia, Missouri (keep), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Fort Lee (merge), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in New Brunswick, New Jersey (redirect),Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of buildings and structures in Metro Moncton (keep) & Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Metairie (redirect), which clarifies that some articles are kept, some deleted, and some are find Alternatives to deletion).

Wrong. I did not counter the keep or delete arguments of other people, or dismissing them outright, by simply referring them to this essay by name in my initial keep vote; I parenthetically referred to it. I will strike that since it appears to be a distraction and allow what I clearly stated (and cited): satifies SALAT, Wikipedia:LISTPURP, Wikipedia:CSC, LISTCRITERIA and LISTN" to stand on its own and give you to the opportunity address it, which you have not yet done. Djflem (talk) 19:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

As someone who's been around awhile, I've read the opening paragraph of Other stuff exists, which states:

''In Wikipedia discussions, editors point to similarities across the project as reasons to keep, delete, or create a particular type of content, article or policy. These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid... When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes...Trouble arises when legitimate comparisons are disregarded without thought or consideration of the Wikipedia:Five pillars...As this essay tries to stimulate people to use sound arguments related to existing notability policies and guidelines in deletion discussions, and also to consider otherwise valid matters of precedent and consistency, it is important to realize that countering the keep or delete arguments of other people, or dismissing them outright, by simply referring them to this essay by name, and nothing else, is not encouraged...''

Interesting how you've used my mentioning the essay as an attempt to validate your argument. Is one to suppose that by doing so you don't actually consider it so ridiculous at all? One can note that that the reference to the essay is parenthetical & not the basis of the rationale, and that in the reply other points provided have been conveniently ignored.


 * SALAT: This list fulfills objective as it is limited in size and topic and is not trivial and is encyclopedic and related to human knowledge
 * Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1: This list fulfills requirement because the list structured around a theme and is annotated.
 * Wikipedia:CSC: This list fulfills this criteria explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. The lack of a parent article in which it can be embedded does not exist and there no need or requirement for it to exist in order for the list to exist.
 * LISTCRITERIA: This list fits this criteria because listed items fit its narrow scope and are topically relevant making it encyclopedic, comprehensive (and possibly) complete.
 * LISTN: This list fulfills this because as it is discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, items in the list do not need to be independently notable, it is not a large list, it is informational, and there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists.
 * LISTOUTCOMES: This list is in accordance with consensus of outcomes because it is limited in scope, based upon concrete criteria for inclusion, has verifiable content, and has a logical reason for its construction.

LSP
Caven Point is a 22 acre 22 bird sanctuary adjacent to the golf course and connected to it along the Hudson River Waterfront Walkway. The owners of the park would like lease the land to expand of the course with additional holes. The proposal would require the "privatization" publicly- owned=land and disruption of the fragile ecosystem. Proposals to protect the land have been made in the New Jersey Legislature to specifically protect the park from commercial development without a severe vetting process and public scrutiny.

Candidates
An adequate BEFORE would have revealed the the coverage of the subject is NOT ROUTINE (What is and is not routine coverage), but as shown in this case. Wikipedia:AUD [] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carrie Tergin Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jo Rae Perkins Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annamie Paul Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Kennedy Jamaal Bowman


 * There's no a claim not being made about "inheritly notable" or any of other gobbledygook about local libraians. the What is clear hear is that the subject of this article has received significant and sustained coverage in accepted high quality state-wide, regional, national and academic Reliable sources (the last of which, the above editor has conveniently continued to ignore) which clearly, no matter how ones "talks around", - passes WP:BASIC.  (People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below, of which NPOL is one), there is no need to

Despite assertions to the the contrary that contravene policy guidelines:

If there were as being being asserted an "extra" inconclusionary policy NPOL were in anyway based in policy (if so, please provide link), clearly states that would not matter here either because the subject's significant and sustained coverage.

Cresitello
county jail use https://fairimmigration.org/press/morris-county-jail-doesnt-want-to-contract-with-ice

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Serge Brisson (2nd nomination)

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Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and assertions:, but when opinions clash it is wise to refer to Policies and guidelines for clarity. Wikipedia is silent on the specifics of the above. Clearly the The New York Times, The Star-Ledger, The Bergen Record, Rutgers University Press, and are secondary sources.

Wikipedia:SNG Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denis Law (politician)

Vancouver,WA
James "Jim" Godfrey Justin (November 28, 1932 – December 7, 2009) Justin was born in Portland, Oregon and attended the University of Portland. He served for three years in the United States Air Force, retiring with the rank of colonel. While serving in the Air Force, Justin became friends with Royce Pollard, who served as Mayor of Vancouver from 1996 to 2010. Justin remained a member of the Air Force Reserve for 30 years. After Air Force, Justin moved to Vancouver where he helped his parents operate their small business, Photo Mart. Justin later sold the store and became a real estate agent for Coldwell Banker. Prior to serving as Mayor of Vancouver, Justin was a member of the Vancouver City Council. In 1980, Justin was listed as an interested party in a feasibility study of the Columbia River Bridge, commissioned by the Federal Highway Administration. Justin also provided testimony to the United States House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.

Portland
Iannarone is a community organizer, educator, and former restaurateur. She was program administrator at Portland State University, where she recieve her Ph.D. in urban studies and planning. Originally from New York, she moved to Portland in the 1990s. From 2005-2018 she was co-owner of Arleta Bakery and Cafe (which later closed as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic in Oregon) Iannarone ran in the 2016 Portland mayoral election and placed third in a field of fourteen, receiving 22,417 votes or 11.76% of the vote. Iannarone' public safety program would curtail armed police at schools, end the bureau’s Gun Violence Reduction Team, and explore a police residency requirement. It would end "sweeps" of homeless camps and decriminalize sex work. Is the only candidate who qualified for public campaign funding. In an 2019 interview in Playboy she has said that she supports Antifa activities and engagement in electoral politics.

Cliffside Park
User talk:Spartaz == Wikipedia:NOTEWORTHY

At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayor of Cliffside Park, New Jersey

Gravel Switch/Jessup
With regard to Gravel Switch, I briefly mention on talk page, the station at the locale later became known as Jessup; not sure if I want to bring this up at current AFD

\https://books.google.nl/books?id=hQANAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA8-PA135&dq=one+fourth+mile+southeast+of++Illinois+Central+station&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-sNW2j8jpAhWODuwKHdDjDNsQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=one%20fourth%20mile%20southeast%20of%20%20Illinois%20Central%20station&f=false

Series 6: Geologic reports, Opseg 31 Opseg 31 iz Series 6, Kentucky Geological Survey Series 6: Geologic Reports, Kentucky Geological Survey Izdavač	Kentucky Geological Survey, 1929

https://www.google.nl/search?hl=hr&tbm=bks&ei=nA_IXr3bFsyWkwWGlIWgBw&q=Kentucky+Geological+Survey%2C+1920++gravel+Switch&oq=Kentucky+Geological+Survey%2C+1920++gravel+Switch&gs_l=psy-ab.12...14887.22356.0.25098.26.25.1.0.0.0.108.1431.24j1.25.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.140...33i10k1.0.-xDWoinBQ7A



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https://books.google.nl/books?id=nu4i3W_zB9cC&pg=RA2-PA1&lpg=RA2-PA1&dq=Census+designated+place+administrative&source=bl&ots=SBupjdvFJn&sig=ACfU3U2t6vU4WLDKeLOv1gJ4rO_vKqIxMA&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjN0be60dToAhWOjKQKHbhDAZYQ6AEwD3oECAsQQg#v=onepage&q=Census%20designated%20place%20administrative&f=false

https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/02/this-rookie-democrat-is-now-a-shoo-in-for-re-election-dc-political-experts-say.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/business/economy/immigration-economy-mulvaney-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

To further add to the confusion, this describes CDPs as being as "Unincorporated community, concentration of population, housing, and commercial structures, identifiable by name, but not within an incorporated place", the logic being that townships are not "incorporated places".

Baptist churches
Wikipedia:Viability of lists

Draft:List of Baptist churches in Leicester
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features)

Would seem that G.T. Rimmington an Honorary Visiting Fellow, Centre for the History of Religions and Political Pluralism, University of Leicester from 2000-2019 (who has written extensively about Baptist and other church buildings in Leicester) would include information in his (3rd above):, which does not appear to be available online.

https://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/archaeology/research/previous-research-projects/mapping-faith/Faith%20Trail%20booklet%202012-print.pdf https://www.le.ac.uk/emoha/leicester/goddardchurches.html

While I would agree that List of churches in Leicester is a fine idea and would certainly assuage any NOTDIR arguments, it may like List of churches in London, (an exhaustive well-defined list), it may get too long and like the London get an Template:Very long. References show that there number over 350 churches to be included in the Leicester list. It appears this and similiar lists for Anglican, Baptist, Catholic, and Methodist churches in Leicester were already SPLIT.

If it will assuage your concerns about zillions of possibilities, there is a Category:Lists of churches, which includes many (maybe hundreds) "Churches in X" and "X churches in Y" that satisfy Wikipedia policies and guidelines. There is no Category:Lists of factories. There is a small Category:Lists of restaurants, which does indeed include random, indiscriminate collection of lists of restaurants that have blue-links, which would which be better described as Category:Lists of restaurants with articles on Wikipedia, since the only criteria for them existing seems to be having an article Wikipedia, which is a indiscriminate, random, non-encyclopedia, non-academic, self-referential Wikipedia-world rationale for a parameter. That would be similiar, if one correctly reads Bduke's suggestion that an article "that lists all the churches in Leicester that have their own article" be created, to List of churches in Leicester (with articles on Wikipedia) to which Churches in Leicester would be properly redirected. But rather than speculate or fret about future worries, the matter at hand is this AfD, and as you are likely aware, which should be dealt with on its own merits. This list as a whole has been well vetted and clearly undeniably meets notibility and verifiability as provided by the reliable sources and should be evaluated in that context. That may help to expedite its closure.

Regarding the prolongation of this AfD pleasse note that was closed as Keep on 22 January 2020, but was reverted following a request by the nominator to do so, with acknowledge about the hazy wording for the rationale. In the conversation the closer stated that s/he was correct in both cases (referencing a related AfD), didn't think administrator intervention was necessary, didn't think would make a difference in the result, that it was not quite a SNOW. S/he did so to respect the process. and would seem as a courtesy. It appears that the prolonged discussion has produced no consensus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:John_M_Wolfson&diff=prev&oldid=937065854

As has been pointed out above, lists containing with "bluelinks" to articles with items which are independently notable is a reason to keep the whole list. While such bluelinks are not a required by SALAT,Wikipedia:LISTPURP, Wikipedia:CSC, LISTCRITERIA, or LISTN, each of the articles about churches is Leicester contains them

Status of articles in this AfD and other AfDs mentioned
NOTE:This was closed as Keep on 22 January 2020, but was reverted following a request to do so.

Have appropriately added the above note as a simple statement of fact about the history of THIS AfD and placed in the appropriately place, namely the section in which the history of status of all articles mentioned in this Afd is kept. It is certainly relevant to this AfD and certainly much more-so than this unsigned, un-date-stamped edit about the history of ANOTHER AfD.

NOTE The above comment (@8.20 26feb20) was made after message sent to editor the nominator (@07:4826feb20) and may have been prompted by it. Could this be considered an instance of inappropriate canvassing?

As has been pointed out above, lists containing with "bluelinks" to articles with items which are independently notable is a reason to keep the whole list. While such bluelinks are not a required by SALAT,Wikipedia:LISTPURP, Wikipedia:CSC, LISTCRITERIA, or LISTN, each of the articles about churches is Leicester contains them. it is correctly observed that it does follow Wikipedia's common practice to keep those lists which do have blue-links as is the case with the aforementioned pages. This article contains at least four entries which are independently notable as listed buildings. The creation of those articles would thus bring it in line with other articles and remove the concern/original claim of the nominator who stated that this is "a list with no notable entries". They are:
 * Main Street Evington
 * Melbourne Hall, Evangelical Free Church |
 * Narborough Road, Robert Hall Memorial Baptist Church
 * Belvoir Street

As a encyclopedia, Wikipedia should strive to be as complete as possible. Since it is NOTPAPER it affords the opportunity to have exhaustive fintie lists. They should take it's cue from the real world and the verifiable encyclopedic information available and to avoid creating haphazard incomplete lists with random entries, especially when it doesn't have to. That said, such lists can get too long, as seen in List of churches in London, where a tophat to Split has been added and where. and the as you can see from top hat. In order to be complete (exhaustive) as a encyclopedia should be. This exhaustive (as in finite)

Unclear how WP:CLN (and its component)WP:AOAL, which discuss the synergies.between the Categories, lists, and navigation templates is relevant here (particularly since there is no correpondent cat or navtemplate). This list does not contravene LISTN in any way.

Note is a simple statement of fact of the history of THIS AfD. It is certainly relevant to this AfD and is not misleading as is this un-date-stamped edit to the history of ANOTHER AfD and claim made in it.

It is a good observation to note that a page entitled List of Baptist churches in Leicester is indeed an list and not article. One would be wise to also note that at WP:DIR that #6, like all , target points is clearly proceed by Wikipedia articles are not: and does not speak to lists at all is in and of itself mute on the point and  does NOT preclude lists of this type. It would also be wise to consider Policies and guidelines which provides the information as to how to proceed with lists, which WP#6 does not. As clearly stated the at the incorrectly dismissed GNG, there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists. DIR#6 merely touches upon the subject without the clear direct statement made in GNG, which is that lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Any attempt to disregard the guidance offered is not wise and does not appear to demonstrate a clear understanding of the purpose of policies and guidelines.Djflem (talk) 10:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * 1. Finite is relevant in that does indeed contribute to the fact that the list is "well-defined" and yes, "indiscriminate" doesn’t mean infinite, it means done at random or without careful judgement, which is not the case with this list.
 * 2.Real or feigned ignorance of Policies and guidelines strikes me as being ill-formed, and unaware of the how policies and guidelines (rules and their application, theories and their practices, laws and jurisprudence, etc) interact and are intertwined at Wikipedia and in the real world. That is tiring and tedious.
 * 3. KEEP is an AfD option, NOT KEEP is not an AfD option.

"Finite" is irrelevant here, "indiscriminate" doesn’t mean infinite... Not violating NOTDIR 1-5 and 7-8 doesn't mean anything for a keep argument when the other arguments are about NOTDIR6 This article is a clear application of NOTDIR6 (a policy that supersedes LISTN and GNG which are guidelines) which says "Wikipedia articles are not: Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, such as "people from ethnic / cultural / religious group X employed by organization Y" or "restaurants specializing in food type X in city Y"." This is the same type of article as those examples. Nobody says “Not keep” = “delete”, and “not keep” certainly doesn’t mean “keep”.

Comment Doncram wrote in screaming capitals that other editors should not comment here but appears to have taken special dispensation to do in order to entangle the destiny of three distinct AfDs, and suggest what happens at one somehow be applied here and elsewhere. The well-known fact is that all unbundled AfDs (as was pointed out earlier) are separate and can and should have their own outcomes and that any closer must abide by that.

Comment
 * Despite the claim and attempt to disparage, this list and NOT RANDOM or indiscriminate. It is tightly focused and finite.
 * There are Wikipedia:Reliable sources and the Verifiability they provided to page. Several editors believe satisfies. :Notability. Currently only those sources which are online are given used. Since such coverage exists online, it can be presumed that there are more sources which are not digitalized including those are offered in source list.
 * Mapped - University of Leicester Archheology and Ancient History Mapping Faith and Place is indeed a database created by the University of Leicester (Archeology Department) as the result of a broader project to record all (types of) churches in Leicester, which clearly establishes the interest making it academic, encyclopedic, and notable.
 * As per criteria, Wikipedia should not contain indiscriminate lists and only certain types of list should be exhaustive. While notability is often a criterion for inclusion in overview lists of a broad subject, it may be too stringent for narrower lists; one of the functions of many lists on Wikipedia is providing an avenue for the retention of encyclopedic information that does not warrant separate articles, so common sense is required in establishing criteria for a list. This list is exhaustive, and common sense is keeping the complete list, which is not likely to change.


 * Though it not necessary that there be any blue links, a common standard used for lists on Wikipedia is that when a list has at least one blue link the whole list is kept, a practice not being applied here. There are at least two, if not more, entries which would merit their own article (not shown as red links, but could be).
 * Wikipedia:NOTPAPER and inclusion of this material not in any way undermine Wikipedia's goal to document human knowledge, but rather supports it.
 * Citing DIR violation without a explanation is vague and frankly useless to the discussion because this list is NOT a list or repository of loosely associated topics; is not genealogical entry; a telephone directory; a directories, directory entry, electronic program guide, or resources for conducting business; a sales catalogue, a simple listing without context. DIR#6 is in itself is vague and does NOT by any means preclude lists of this type. As clearly stated the GNG, "there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists." DIR#6 touches upon the subject without the clear direct statement made in GNG, which is that lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Any attempt to ignore this and state that one vague policy trumps another very clear guideline is disingenuous. It also ignores the fact that Wikipedia does indeed have Category:Lists of churches, which contains exactly the same type of lists, despite what appears to be willful attempts to ignore them. (Any comparison of this list with something like Chinese restaurants in Atlanta is nonsensical garble.)
 * Merging into an article List of Churches in Leicester or Churches in Leicester (currently a re-direct) (which would dispel any concerns about DIR#6) would produce a page with over 350 entries, which would then lead to SPLIT. There is no reason to go through that process, when the split has already taken place.


 * NOT KEEP is not a AfD discussion option and does not, should not, and cannot be taken to mean DELETE.
 * Community consensus per LISTOUTCOMES states that a list such this is kept because it is limited in scope, based upon concrete criteria for inclusion, has verifiable content, and has a logical reason for its construction.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/236-leicester-buildings-protected-historic-1372327 Several have been listed by as local landmarks.

\https://www.leicestershirechurches.co.uk/directory-a-z/

without
HEY since the initation of AfD, the list has been worked on. To be considered (bold mine)
 * SALAT: This list fulfills objective as it is limited in size and topic and is not trivial and is encyclopedic and related to human knowledge
 * Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1: This list fulfills requirement because the list structured around a theme and is annotated.
 * Wikipedia:CSC: This list fulfills this criteria explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. The lack of a parent article in which it can be embedded does not exist and there no need or requirement for it to exist in order for the list to exist.
 * LISTCRITERIA: This list fits this criteria because listed items fit its narrow scope and are topically relevant making it encyclopedic, comprehensive (and possibly) complete.
 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#1: This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a loosely associated topic and its entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic.
 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#7: This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a simple listing without context information and it contains information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information added as sourced prose.
 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#6: is in itself is vague and does NOT by any means preclude lists of this type. As clearly stated the GNG, there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists. DIR#6 touches upon the subject without the clear direct statement made in GNG, which is that lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Any attempt to ignore this and state that one vague policy trumps another very clear guideline is disingenuous. It also ignores the fact that Wikipedia does indeed have Category:Lists of churches, which is filled with exactly the same type of lists, despite attempts to ignore them. (Any comparison of this list with something like Chinese restaurants in Atlanta is nonsensical garble.) One could even suggest that Category:Lists of tallest buildings somehow violates this, but would?
 * LISTN: This list fulfills this because as it is discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, items in the list do not need to be independently notable, it is not a large list, it is informational, and there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists.
 * Other stuff exists: The list follows the precedent of List of X churches in Y, of which there are likely hundreds, many of which are much more complex and cross-categorizational. as seen in Category:Lists of churches
 * LISTOUTCOMES
 * This list is in accordance with consensus of outcomes because it is limited in scope, based upon concrete criteria for inclusion, has verifiable content, and has a logical reason for its construction.

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HEY since the initation of AfD, the list has been worked on. To be considered: This list fulfills objective as it is limited in size and topic and is not trivial and is encyclopedic and related to human knowledge
 * SALAT
 * Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1.The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.
 * This list fulfills requirement: the list structured around a theme and is annotated.


 * Wikipedia:CSC: #2 Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles: for example...Such lists are almost always better placed within the context of an article on their "parent" topic. Before creating a stand-alone list consider carefully whether such lists would be better placed within a parent article.
 * This list fulfills this criteria because it was likely created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. The lack of a parent article in which it can be embedded does not exist and does not need to in order for the list to exist.


 * LISTCRITERIA (excerpt) Criteria for inclusion should factor in encyclopedic and topical relevance, not just verifiable existence. While notability is often a criterion for inclusion in overview lists of a broad subject, it may be too stringent for narrower lists; one of the functions of many lists on Wikipedia is providing an avenue for the retention of encyclopedic information that does not warrant separate articles, so common sense is required in establishing criteria for a list.
 * This list fits this criteria because listed items fit its narrow scope and are topically revelant making it encyclopedically comprehensive (and possibly) complete.


 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#1.Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic. Wikipedia also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are permitted.
 * This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a loosely associated topic and its entries are relevant because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic.


 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#7. Simple listings without context information. Examples include, but are not limited to: listings of business alliances, clients, competitors, employees (except CEOs, supervisory directors and similar top functionaries), equipment, estates, offices, store locations, products and services, sponsors, subdivisions and tourist attractions. Information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information should be added as sourced prose. Lists of creative works in a wider context are permitted.
 * This list does not contravene this policy as it is not a simple listing without context information and it contains information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information added as sourced prose.


 * LISTN Notability guidelines also apply to the creation of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable, although editors may, at their discretion, choose to limit large lists by only including entries for independently notable items or those with Wikipedia articles.
 * There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists, although Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Non-encyclopedic_cross-categorizations|non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations are touched upon in What Wikipedia is not. Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists.
 * This list fulfills this because as it is discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, items in the list do not need to be independently notable, it is not a large list, it is informational, and there is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists.


 * Other stuff exists (excerpt) When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes and to consider otherwise valid matters of precedent and consistency.
 * This list is follows the precedent of List of X churches in Y, of which there are likely hundreds, many of which are much more complex and cross-categorizational. as seen in Category:Lists of churches


 * LISTOUTCOMES
 * This list is in accordance with consensus of outcomes because it is limited in scope, based upon concrete criteria for inclusion, has verifiable content, and has a logical reason for its construction.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Leicester+church+schools https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Leicester+church+schools https://books.google.nl/books?id=FCwbDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT90&lpg=PT90&dq=leicester+churches+buildings+schools&source=bl&ots=T287QkwZ0h&sig=ACfU3U0FOH28Gvi3knUwPZ_SMO8Fw4I_kA&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTsIXlnIPnAhXCPOwKHZ0UDz8Q6AEwEHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=leicester%20churches%20buildings%20schools&f=false

In the 19th century Leicester was a center of Nonconformist religions and many churches and chapels were built, including those of the

Can you cite the specific part of Overcategorization to which you make reference when citing WP:DIR#6:Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. You seem to be suggesting that the following lists, similar in title & scope, should be deleted. They appear to be very encyclopedic:
 * List of demolished churches in the City of London,
 * List of Catholic churches in the United States,
 * List of Catholic churches in India
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the English Midlands
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the East of England
 * List of Catholic churches in Salvador, Bahia
 * List of Anglican churches in Melbourne
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the English Midlands
 * List of churches destroyed in the Great Fire of London and not rebuilt
 * List of Church of England churches in Thurrock
 * Greek Orthodox churches in New South Wales
 * List of Coptic Orthodox churches in Australia
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Southeast England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the East of England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Southwest England

Or would the consolidation of List of Baptist churches in Leicester, Congregational churches in Leicester, and Methodist churches in Leicester, etc. into Churches in Leicester, or List of churches in Leicester (w/ appropriate demomination sub-headers) alleviate your concerns about what you perceive as non-encyclopedic cross-categorization? I believe it would be too long, but that would address the issue, wouldn't it? Djflem (talk) 20:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Not an indidvidual's work. Created Wikipedia:Consensus by more than 50 editors and is often used in AdD discussions, isn't it? Wikipedia:NPOL So we do agree that it does not violate NOTDIR#7. It does not violate #6 either: There is no Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. Even if there were a Category:Congregational churches in Leicester, that would not apply since a list of List Congregational churches in Leicester would be more than than appropriate for inclusion along with any individual item that had its own article, as is precedent and common practice, and would be included in Category:Lists of churches in England. (e.g. List of GS1 country codes>Category:Lists of country codes>Category:Country codes)

Clearly a thorough Wikipedia:BEFORE has not been conducted. Otherwise descriptions with RS about the items in the list would have been added making it a annotated list. The policy cited says simple lists are not Wikipedia, but that annotated lists are Wikipedia). This has been clearly demonstrated at a similar AfD for Methodist churches in Leicester, where, indeed, information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information as sourced prose has been included. I don't like

The bold is mine:
 * From:guidline Wikipedia:LISTPURP#1The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.
 * From: guidline Wikipedia:CSC#2Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles.
 * From: policy Wikipedia:NOTDIR#7. Simple listings without context information...Information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information should be added as sourced prose.
 * From: essay Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions: Wikipedia:SURMOUNTABLE "Articles for Deletion is not cleanup"...Wikipedia is a work in progress and articles should not be deleted as punishment because no one has felt like cleaning them up yet...Wikipedia has no deadline.

Djflem (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia:LISTPURP #1.The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.
 * This list fulfills requirement: the list a theme, and it is annotated.


 * Wikipedia:CSC: #2 Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles: for example...Such lists are almost always better placed within the context of an article on their "parent" topic. Before creating a stand-alone list consider carefully whether such lists would be better placed within a parent article.
 * This list fulfills this criteria because created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. The lack of a parent article in which it can be embedded does not exist.


 * Wikipedia:NOTDIR#7. Simple listings without context information...Information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information should be added as sourced prose.
 * This is is not simple list; it is an annotated list with "encyclopedic information" written in prose.


 * Wikipedia:SURMOUNTABLE "Articles for Deletion is not cleanup"...Wikipedia is a work in progress and articles should not be deleted as punishment because no one has felt like cleaning them up yet...Wikipedia has no deadline.


 * WP:CSC#2Every entry in the list fails the notability criteria. These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles: for example...Such lists are almost always better placed within the context of an article on their "parent" topic. Before creating a stand-alone list consider carefully whether such lists would be better placed within a parent article.
 * This list fulfills this criteria because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. The lack of a parent article in which it can be embedded does not exist.


 * Where does it suggest, as you claim, that these article should not be created? It doesn't. FYI, this is an example of the situation being referred to:Mayor of London, which is a parent article & subsequent list. Djflem (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:DIR#7: A thorough Wikipedia:BEFORE has not been conducted. Otherwise descriptions with RS about the items in the list would have been added making it a annotated list. The policy cited says simple lists are not Wikipedia, but that annotated lists are Wikipedia. This has been clearly demonstrated at a similar AfD for Methodist churches in Leicester, where, indeed, information about relevant single entries with encyclopedic information as sourced prose has been included.

WP:DIR#6: Can you cite the specific part of Overcategorization to which you make reference when citing WP:DIR#6:Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. You seem to be suggesting that the following lists, similar in title & scope, and other like, should be deleted. They appear to be very encyclopedic: Would the consolidation of List of Baptist churches in Leicester, Congregational churches in Leicester, and Methodist churches in Leicester, etc. into Churches in Leicester, or List of churches in Leicester (w/ appropriate demomination sub-headers) alleviate your concerns about what you perceive as non-encyclopedic cross-categorization? I believe it would be too long, but that would address the issue, wouldn't it?Djflem (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * List of demolished churches in the City of London,
 * List of Catholic churches in the United States,
 * List of Catholic churches in India
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the English Midlands
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the East of England
 * List of Catholic churches in Salvador, Bahia
 * List of Anglican churches in Melbourne
 * List of new churches by George Gilbert Scott in the English Midlands
 * List of churches destroyed in the Great Fire of London and not rebuilt
 * List of Church of England churches in Thurrock
 * Greek Orthodox churches in New South Wales
 * List of Coptic Orthodox churches in Australia
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Southeast England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the East of England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in the English Midlands
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England
 * List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Southwest England

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~sponholz/genealogy/SteamtownB-13LeoniaNJ.jpg

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jersey-city-victim-douglas-miguel-rodriguez-helped-customer-escape-gunfire-before-dying/

https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/hudson/2019/12/12/jersey-city-shooting-suspect-was-army-veteran-with-history-of-weapons-violence-offenses/4411802002/

Anderson had been arrested on numerous occasions for weapons possession.

Moshe Deutsch, 24, was also among those killed in the shootout, who had traveled from Brooklyn with his cousin, Chaim Deutsch, to the kosher grocery. Daniel Rodriquez, who work at the store. Chaim Deutsch escaped out the back door of the store. He was later treated at Jersey City Medical Center for his gunshot wounds and was released on Tuesday.
 * Mindy Ferencz, 33 years old, born in Brooklyn and married to Moishe Ferencz, the owner of the store.

The station moved to its current location on June 20, 1937, when the H&M was realigned southward from Park Place to Newark Penn Station. In June 1937 the western end of the line was re-aligned. The railroad stopped using the moved to the recently opened Newark Penn Station.

Clearly, BEFORE, was cursory, as this building clearly saisfies NBUILDING, which states: "Artificial geographical features that are officially assigned the status of cultural heritage or national heritage, or of any other protected status on a national level and for which verifiable information beyond simple statistics is available, are presumed to be notable."

Addtionally, stated at contributing property: Properties within a historic district fall into one of two types of property: contributing and non-contributing. A contributing property, such as a 19th-century mansion, helps make a historic district historic, while a non-contributing property, such as a modern medical clinic, does not. The contributing properties are key to a historic district's historic associations, historic architectural qualities, or archaeological qualities.... Buildings, as defined by the National Register, are structures intended to shelter some sort of human activity. Examples include a house, barn, hotel, church or similar construction. The term building, as in outbuilding, can be used to refer to historically and functionally related units, such as a courthouse and a jail, or a barn and a house.... Buildings included on the National Register of Historic Places must have all of their basic structural elements as parts of buildings, such as ells and wings; interiors or facades are not independently eligible for the National Register. As such, the whole building is considered during the nomination and its significant features must be identified. If a nominated building has lost any of its basic structural elements, it is considered a ruin and categorized as a site.


 * 1. There is a clear distinction between the rail line and the services provided on it. Please do not continue to confuse them.
 * 2. Wikipedia does treat PATH as mass transit system and I do not contest that. (But, FYI, FRA regulation has more influence that an administrative one. It effects safety, employees roles requirements, physical relationships to other systems, plus, plus.)
 * 3.I have pointed out category of line maps, not service diagrams, except, Template:PATH service map but that was once again to point out that service is different from a line, so, again, take note of the difference
 * 4. A name change does not constitute a new rail system, despite the insistence that the services provided by the carrier have changed, they are distinct.
 * 5. Your proposal is an exception:
 * The New York City Transit Authority is from 1953 and it's parent organization the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, from 1968.
 * Following that logic and applying "consistency" to mass tranist systems would necessitate that 18th Street station (IRT Lexington Avenue Line) for ::example, being removed from Template:IRT Lexington Avenue Line since that station was not in operation when the line was incorporated into the
 * city-wide, and later metro-region, agencies, the new owner/carriers. Would you choose '53 or '68 as the cut off? Are you prepared to take your proposal to a wider public? It would involve ::a huge amount of work since the aforementioned is one of many examples that would require a change so as to remain consistent. (Likley, the re-naming & restructing of the Staten Island Railway would require special review for its name changes.Djflem (talk) 18:38, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Template:Staten Island Railway & Template:PATCO Speedline

What is being discussed is the Template:PATH line map, not the Template:PATH service map. As has been earlier mentioned/established here PATH is considered a mass-transit system (despite its FRA status) and therefore not part of Category:Amtrak route diagram templates or Category:United States commuter railroad templates, the latter of which does include historical stations. (& potentially 'could/should' include the PATH templates as well as Category:United States rapid transit templates). The PATH re-naming of entire existing & complete H&M system is quite different from creation of new rail networks from the takeover, combination, & consolidation of bankrupt railroads by semi-public corporations.

Wikipedia article can and SHOULD stand alone. They should be comprehensive and not require as suggested a reader need to click anywhere, as has been suggested. The inclusion of federal, state, and county representation (which has been in place for years) adds, rather distracts from article and does not make the article Wikipedia:BLOATED, but actually more complete. Wikipedia:Scope states: ''Artificially or unnecessarily restricting the scope of an article to select a particular point of view on a subject area is frowned upon, even if it is the most popular point of view. Accidental or deliberate choice of a limited scope for an article can make notable information disappear from the encyclopedia entirely, or make it highly inaccessible. Since the primary purpose of the Wikipedia is to be a useful reference work, narrow article scopes are to be avoided.'' Wikipedia:BLOATED

Federal, state and county representation

Weehawken is located in the 8th Congressional District and is part of New Jersey's 33rd state legislative district.[9][99][100] Prior to the 2010 Census, Weehawken had been part of the 13th Congressional District, a change made by the New Jersey Redistricting Commission that took effect in January 2013, based on the results of the November 2012 general elections.

For the 116th United States Congress, New Jersey's Eighth Congressional District is represented by Albio Sires (D, West New York). New Jersey is represented in the United States Senate by Democrats Cory Booker (Newark, term ends 2021) and Bob Menendez (Paramus, term ends 2025).

For the 2018–2019 session (Senate, General Assembly), the 33rd Legislative District of the New Jersey Legislature is represented in the State Senate by Brian P. Stack (D, Union City) and in the General Assembly by Raj Mukherji (D, Jersey City) and Annette Chaparro (D, Hoboken).

The Hudson County Executive, elected at-large, is Thomas A. DeGise. Hudson County Board of Chosen Freeholders District 7 comprises Weehawken, West New York, and Guttenberg[110] and is represented by Caridad Rodriguez.

As you likely have noticed:
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 11
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 24
 * This seems inconsistent with consensus reached at:


 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey/Hudson County Task Force
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey/Archive 4
 * Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 February 19 (section):Category:New Jersey government templates

which arose from edit conflict in January 2011.


 * Wikipedia:TG
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 11
 * Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 24

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(2007) 2.8/10 (49 votes) Pa. R.R. Cliffs, Jersey City (1896) Palookaville (1995) 6.4/10 (1579 votes) Panorama of New York from Jersey City (1903) Paradise Regained (2009) Path to Paradise: The Untold Story of the World Trade Center Bombing. (1997) (TV) 6.7/10 (247 votes) ...aka Path to Paradise (1997) (TV) Payback (2003) (TV) 5.3/10 (18 votes) PDA Massacre (2004) 2.9/10 (32 votes) Penny Dreadful (2005) 5.6/10 (451 votes) Phish (2006) Pootie Tang (2001) 4.4/10 (5790 votes) Pushing Tin (1999) 5.9/10 (15512 votes) ...aka Turbulenzen - und andere Katastrophen (2000) (Germany) Quantum Heaven (2008) Quiz Show (1994) 7.5/10 (22809 votes) Rage of Angels (1983) (TV) 5.6/10 (86 votes) ...aka Sidney Sheldon's Rage of Angels (1983) (TV) Ransom (1996) 6.6/10 (36429 votes) Red Wagon (2003) Redeeming Rainbow (2007) (TV) Resurrection (2000) (V) 7.1/10 (15 votes) Return to Paradise (1998) 6.7/10 (6127 votes) ...aka All for One (1998) (USA: alternative title) Scratch... Play for Keeps (2009) Sgt. Kabukiman N.Y.P.D. (1990) 5.5/10 (914 votes) Shaft (2000) 5.9/10 (31167 votes) ...aka Shaft - Noch Fragen? (2000) (Germany) She Hate Me (2004) 5.3/10 (3890 votes) Shoot George (2002) Sid and Nancy (1986) 7.0/10 (8480 votes) ...aka Sid and Nancy: Love Kills (1986) Silent Madness (1984) 5.0/10 (106 votes) ...aka Beautiful Screamers (1984) ...aka The Nightkillers (1984) ...aka The Omega Factor (1984) Smokers (2008) (V) 3.5/10 (160 votes) Sneakers & Soul (2009) Soaked (2005) Soap Scum (2005) Something Wild (1986) 6.6/10 (5091 votes) Spanglish Girls (2007) Sparks (1998) 6.7/10 (28 votes) Stay, Go, Don't Linger (2007) (V) Steel Legends: Railroads of the Northeast (2000) 8.2/10 (50 votes) ...aka Steel Legends: Railroads of the 20th Century (2000) (USA: alternative title) ...aka Steel Legends: Steam Lives (2000) (USA: director's cut) Stille (2006/II) Subway Busker (2010) Sylvia of the Secret Service (1917) Thanksgiving (2008) 4.6/10 (14 votes) That Gringa!: The TV Pilot (2009) (TV) The Brother from Another Planet (1984) 6.8/10 (2447 votes) The Colored American Winning His Suit (1916) The Destruction of Civilization (2005) The Drip Incident (2006) The Girl from Monday (2005) 5.5/10 (537 votes) The Godfather (1972) 9.2/10 (378502 votes) ...aka Mario Puzo's The Godfather (1972) (USA: complete title) The Hit (2007/II) 5.1/10 (12 votes) The Honeymooners (2005) 2.6/10 (4884 votes) The Immaculate Misconception (2006) 8.2/10 (43 votes) The Impostors (1998) 6.0/10 (3059 votes) The Interpreter (2005) 6.5/10 (36015 votes) ...aka L'interprète (2005) (France) The Iron Claw (1916) The Iron Heart (1917) The Last Days of Disco (1998) 6.1/10 (4929 votes) The Perfect Holiday (2007) 3.2/10 (1546 votes) The Pick Up (2009/II) 5.6/10 (7 votes) The Piles Project (2008) The Preacher's Wife (1996) 5.2/10 (4145 votes) The Prisoner (2008) (TV) 6.3/10 (7 votes) ...aka The Captive (2009) (TV) (USA: new title) The Recoil (1917) The Resurrection Apprentice (2005) 7.6/10 (18 votes) The Romantic Journey (1916) The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) 7.6/10 (77283 votes) The Scapegoat (1917) The Soul of Broadway (1915) The Toxic Avenger (1984) 5.8/10 (6624 votes) Thirteen Conversations About One Thing (2001) 7.1/10 (5870 votes) ...aka 13 Conversations (2002) (USA: short title) To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar (1995) 5.7/10 (9020 votes) Two Lovers (2008) 7.3/10 (7535 votes) Unwound (2003) Vampire Seduction (1998) 2.8/10 (78 votes) ...aka Vampire's Seduction (1998) (USA: closing credits title) Van Vorst Park (2005) 9.2/10 (12 votes) Winter Solstice (2004/I) 6.3/10 (871 votes) Wise Guys (1986) 5.2/10 (2185 votes) Zelig (1983) 7.7/10 (12701 votes)
 * 1st Regiment, N.Y.V. (1898)
 * A 1000 Points of Light (2008) (V)
 * A New and Accurate Map of the World (2007)
 * Aisling (2006)
 * Albert and Mandy (2007) 6.4/10 (16 votes)
 * All She Wants to Do (2008)
 * All That You Love (2008)
 * Amityville II: The Possession (1982) 4.8/10 (3004 votes)
 * Analyze This (1999) 6.6/10 (50103 votes)
 * As Good as It Gets (1997) 7.8/10 (87450 votes)
 * Assassination of a High School President (2008) 6.9/10 (3495 votes)
 * Autumn's Eyes (2006) 8.0/10 (23 votes)
 * Baby It's You (1983) 6.3/10 (833 votes)
 * Bad Company (2002) 5.3/10 (16554 votes)
 * Bad Lieutenant (1992) 6.8/10 (11944 votes)
 * Behind the Scenes: Milking the Chicken (2004) (V)
 * Being John Malkovich (1999) 7.9/10 (107567 votes)
 * Being Jon Stewart (2009)
 * Belly (1998) 4.3/10 (3524 votes)

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There seems inconsistency as to which politicians are considered for "automatic inclusion". When the population of represented/constituent area (as well as the level of office) not taken into account, it creates skewed situations where persons who are state legislators from states with population of less than a million, such as Wyoming (pop 580,000), and city council members from so-called global cities representing districts (such as District 2 (New York City Council), with a population of less than 175,000), get an automatic pass, while some county executives, the head of executive branch&highest elected official do not. Ce