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 * Quantities of bits
 * Quantities of bytes
 * Bit and byte prefixes
 * Template talk:Quantities of bits
 * Template talk:Quantities of bytes
 * Template talk:Bit and byte prefixes

Logarithmic Frequency Units
Young 1939 Pikler 1966 Segal 2015

Metric Units
Schadow et al 2002
 * The metric predicate accounts for the fact that there are units that are prefixed and others that are not. This helps to disambiguize the parsing of simple units into prefix and atom.
 * To determine whether a given unit atom is metric or not is not trivial. It is a cultural phenomenon, subject to change, just like language, the meaning of words and how words can be used. At one time we can clearly tell right or wrong useage of words, but these decisions may need to be revised with the passage of time.
 * Generally, metric units are those defined “in the spirit” of the metric system, that emerged in France of the 18th century and was rapidly adopted by scientists. Metric units are in general based on reproducible natural phenomena and are usually not part of a system of compareable units with different magintudes, especially not if the ratios of these units are not powers of 10. Instead, metric units use multiplier prefixes that magnifies or diminishes the value of the unit by powers of ten.
 * Conversely, customary units are in the spirit of the middle age as most of them can be traced back into the a time around the 10th century, some are even older from the Roman and Babylonian empires. Most customary units are based on the average size of human anatomical or botanic structures (e.g., foot, grain) and come in series of comparable units with ratios 1/2, 1/4, 1/12, 1/16, and others. Thus all customary units are non-metric
 * Not all units from ISO 1000 are metric as degree, minute and second of plane angle are non-metric as well as minute, hour, day, month, and year. The second is a metric unit because it is a part of the SI basis, although it used to be part of a series of customary units (originating in the Babylonian era).
 * Furthermore, for a unit to be metric it must be a quantity on a ratio scale where multiplication and division with scalars are defined. The Comit´e Consultatif d’Unit´es (CCU) decided in February 1995 that SI prefixes may be used with the degree Celsius. This statement has not been made explicitely before. This is an unfortunate decision because difference-scale units like the degree Celsius have no multiplication operation, so that the prefix value could be multiplied with the unit. Instead the prefix at non-ratio units scales the measurement value. One dekameter is 10 times of a meter, but there is no meaning to 10 times of 1 ◦C in the same way as 30 ◦C are not 3 times as much as 10 ◦C. See §22 on how The Unified Code for Units of Measures finds a way to accomodate this different use of prefixes at units such as the degree Celsius, bel or neper.

Responses
The examples are in the form 'N.5 years' because that is what I was looking for. A search for "4.4 years" gives
 * 1) the average length of time anyone spends at any given job is 4.4 years
 * 2) the average career lasts 4.4 years

That was just one example How many more do you need?
 * 1) Children aged up to 2.5 years are assessed for healthy weight and nutrition during universal visits
 * 2) police officer Thomas Lane sentenced to 2.5 years in prison
 * 3) scam mastermind sentenced to 3.5 years
 * 4) Alexei Navalny sentenced to 3.5 years in prison
 * 5) Held by Somali Pirates for 4.5 years
 * 6) Rodrigo Rato gets 4.5 years for embezzlement
 * 7) it takes on average 6.5 years for men to receive a diagnosis and 8.8 years for women

more bad faith accusations by you know who

The discussion was held at Quantities of bits. The compromise was reached in November 2021 and implemented in this edit at bits (and similar edits at the 2 sister templates). It last about 10 months, until this edit in September 2022 upturned the apple cart, resulting in the present instability.

About Binary prefix then:
 * This article is about binary prefixes, so it should start by explaining what is meant by a binary prefix. Binary prefixes are related to decimal prefixes, so it makes sense to explain how they are related. That should come second.
 * The "JEDEC" column is part of explaining binary prefixes, but the name is contentious, and the content of the column depends on the choice of name. The first question is what to call it. Reasonable possibilities for the column header IMO include
 * 1) Computer memory (they are used mostly for computer memory)
 * 2) Deprecated (because their use is deprecated universally by international standards)
 * 3) JEDEC (because JEDEC defines the first three)
 * 4) Legacy (the compromise reached at 'bits and bytes')
 * Unacceptable options that have been proposed include
 * 1) Common (because the decimal interpretation is also common)
 * 2) Computing (because the decimal interpretation is also widely used in computing, for communications and data storage)
 * 3) Customary (because the decimal interpretation was used long before the binary interpretation)
 * 4) Traditional (because the decimal interpretation is also traditional)

at physics
There was one good faith/BRD attempt to extend the binary prefixes, but it was reverted.

according to this article "As the amount of data the world produces grows ever larger, new words have been introduced to represent massive numbers. After zetta (1021) and yotta (1024) were created in 1991, the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) has voted to introduce ronna (1027) and quetta (1030). The world produces zettabytes of data every year, and is expected to reach a yottabyte a year in the next decade. What to call the next step up has been a matter of debate for some years, with hellabyte and brontobyte used as unofficial terms by many" "How many yottabytes in a quettabyte? Extreme numbers get new names"

Back to the exam question
Pinging all editors who have ever contributed to this talk page

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at ANI
Question to all admininstrators This is getting silly. I don't have time to respond to all of Locke Cole's accusations, but I will say this: I am pinging all involved editors in the thread to get their view on the neutrailyt of the above statemebt. I am willing to stand corrected. and the disruption is preventing progress on three templates. Quondum was an involved editor in the thread, but I missed him the first time I pinged [involved editors]. I therefore followed up with [this ping] to Quondum, with an apology. Qondum then explained to me on his talk page that he had withdrawn from WP as a result of Locke Cole's anti-social behaviour.
 * This thread is not about following policy or guidelines. Locke Cole has been disruptive, as has been corroborated independently by Zac67 and Quondum. Locke Cole's disruption is preventing progress on 3 different templates. Even though all other editors wish to find a compromise solution, LC's disruption makes that impossible.
 * In the case of Quondum, he felt obliged to stop editing on WP as a direct result of Locke Cole's behaviour. Is that considered an acceptable outcome at WP? As has been pointed out, I once edited as Thunderbird2. I left because of distruptive behaviour by Dondervogel 2 and would consider leaving again if Locke Cole's behaviour is considered permissible. Question to all involved in ANI thread (ping them here): Is it acceptable, yes or no? If the answer is yes, like Quondum I will also stop trying to improve this platform, and leave myself (again). If the answer is no, what are you going to do about it?
 * I will try one more time to make some progress on talk.

I forgot to include Quondum in my pings on dd Sep 2022. One more example of disruption: I have been trying to establish consensus how to leave the 3 templates. I made them all the same, going back to a version that was stable for up to 3 years. See edits here. Instead of engaging on talk, LC imposes his own preference, leaving the 3 templates in disarray.
 * It has been suggsted we take the discussion to the Village Pump. I don't think any involved editors would object to this in principle (though we are unsure how [diff]), but doing that leaves the root cause of the problem unaddressed.

imposes has imposed disarray on these ... latest example of disruption. Instead of participating in the discussion he chooses to impose his own preference

invite all involved editors to comment on the accuracy and neutrality of my description. Happy to be corrected where needed.

Stuff
 Kbrose on 9 June 2015 IP on 7 June 2017

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More disruption at 12:42 on 23 Sep, Zac67 restores chronological order because the talk page had become difficult to follow at 19:05, Locke Cole disrupts timeline ...