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1964 World's Fairs
Hey Doug, I saw your post on the reference desk. I did some research on the New York World's Fairs for a dissertation. I would suggest contacting the Queens Museum, they maintain the official archive of the fair. I met/E-mailed with a woman named Nancy who was helpful. You can contact her at nrattenbury@queensmuseum.org Gradvmedusa (talk) 00:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for info, great lead. So happens that I am working on writing an article on Cupaloy which was the 1939 Time Capsule from Westinghouse - and also an article on the 1964 NY World's Fair Time Capsule.--Doug talk 00:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Heinrich Steinhowel, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 02:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Westinghouse Time Capsules
Hi Doug! I am indeed from the New York area and a big fan of the 1939 and 1964 World's Fairs (though they're both a bit before my time). You can find some material you probably haven't seen about Time Capsule I at the New York Public Library, described here. You can also find the records of the 1964 Fair Corporation (which just might have a copy of the guestbook), described here. But the first person you should probably write to is David Grinnell, who is administering the Westinghouse collection at the Heinz History Center (see here, which includes his e-mail address). Please keep me updated if you find anything! I'll try to have a more thorough look at the Time Capsules article later.--Pharos (talk) 01:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I tend to go to the New York Public Library main branch once every few months or so... I'll try to look some of this stuff up next time I'm there. Keep me updated on what you find, so I'lll know what to look for.--Pharos (talk) 18:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media
Yes, I have found better images for the article Westinghouse Time Capsules and these below can therefore be deleted if necessary, however I have incorporated them into the article and I feel they should be kept as they are part of the history explanation of the 1938 time capsule on how it was constructed and buried.--Doug talk 13:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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106 famous women
Thanks -- took a quick look at the article and will read more carefully later. Mind if I fix some of the placement of the images? A few cover text with my browser and I'd be glad to fix them. 83d40m (talk) 22:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Was not sure about your message device -- left a note for you above 83d40m (talk) 22:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, go ahead and fix what you think looks good. I have looked at this with several different computers at various locations with different size screens and they all looked good to me. Make the changes and then I will recheck on various computers to see that it went O.K. If it looks good on most I will leave as you have edited it. So........... what does the "83d" and the "40m" stand for?--Doug talk 23:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Atalaya and Brookgreen Gardens
Hi Doug -- I see you have been developing both Atalaya Castle and Brookgreen Gardens articles which i have just browsed. I have been developing List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina, and opened a new article Atalaya and Brookgreen Gardens to cover the joint designation of them as a single National Historic Landmark, and to hold links to the NHL webpage for the combination and to the NRHP text and photos documents. I am not sure whether the 3 articles now ought to remain separate, or whether any can be merged. Is there also an article on the Huntington Beach, I have not checked for that yet. It is an awkward situation, because it appears to me that Atalaya is not on the same property as Brookgreen Gardens, so the NHL designation is perhaps of two distinct, separated sites. Is that correct? (If so, that should be noted with the NHL description.) Perhaps the 3 articles should continue, but refer to each other, and all 3 could usefully incorporate the NRHP text and photos reference. What do you think should be done? regards, doncram (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Appreciate the question, however I am not qualified to answer it. I live in Michigan, but do spend the winters in the Myrtle Beach area. I have been doing this (off and on ) for over 20 years. I often go to Atalaya Castle and Brookgreen Gardens - but basically for the enjoyment and taking pictures. I know little of the history of these places, other than what is in the brochures given out by the state. All the pictures at Brookgreen Gardens is mine - including at the bottom a slide show presentation of additional pictures. All the pictures at Commons are also mine. All the pictures at Atalaya Castle are also mine, except for the B & W one. Also recently I added a slide show presentation at the bottom of the group of pictures of additional pictures I took in 2006. Do these slide show presentations work for you? I have checked them on various computers at various locations and they appear to work properly (especially of the high speed connections). Sorry I couldn't help more. I think probably your best bet is others that edit these articles, especially the ones that started them (if they are still around). There is an article on Huntington Beach State Park which I have edited, however basically from a formating "clean up" standpoint (removing peacock terms). Notice they are requesting additional photos of HBSP, so will have to go take some and enter into the article. Maybe even make a slide show. What do you think of this idea of a "slide show" of pictures? Should they be narrated or is classical music alright? How about amateur home movies of places like this? BTY, Atalya Castle is directly across Highway 17 from Brookgreen Gardens. Brookgreen Gardens is about a mile directly inland. In the slide show of Atalaya the first slide shows the original road going directly from the residence of Atalaya Castle to Brookgreen Gardens as the Huntingtons would have used it in the 1930's to move the large sculptures. Since, Highway 17 was built and has cut it in half. All this property was then owned by the Huntingtons. --Doug talk 19:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Nice work with all the pictures, i meant to say before, and it seems like you have taken and put up even more than I knew.  About the history, despite your reticence, you can become the expert.  You have the state brochures, you now have the official NRHP text and photos document now linked from the articles, you seem to be a good and competent wikipedia editor.  And I didn't notice any others contributing writing that used references in any of the articles.  So, maybe it is your destiny to be the researcher who develops these better.  Plan to visit a library or two when you're there on your next trip!  Cheers, doncram (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

New Presque Isle Light
FYI. Terry Pepper has a list of all the lighthouses in the western Great Lakes and their heights. Click on his website and it's easy to find. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Re Flat Top Manor
Thanks for pointing that out - that's what happens when I speed read :). I wonder if being in the Virginia landmarks category is a mistake too.-- Kubigula (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup! Does that mean then two wrongs makes a right?--Doug talk 15:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a nice little article, by the way. I'm a bit sorry that it's not WPV.-- Kubigula (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Julian Price
A tag has been placed on Julian Price requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 23:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That sure was a surprise to me that you determined Julian Price was not notable enough within 1 minute of the time I put up the new article. I listed approximately 3 dozen positions he is associated with in large corporations, banks, and insurance companies as well as other large organizations (i.e advisor to the 1939 World's Fair and the North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University). I have expanded the article further with his Fortune 500 insurance company information. I'll be working on it the next couple of days and expanding it further, since there is much information on this very large insurance company. The Julian Price Memorial Park was made in his honor with the Price Lake developed on the Blue Ridge Parkway which happens to have the largest campground on the Parkway and is the largest recreational area developed for public use on the Parkway. I believe he is notable and worth an article. --Doug talk 00:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blue Ridge Parkway tunnels
No problem. ---CWY2190TC 23:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Michigan Logging Wheels
Do you know roughly how many sets were made, and how many are now preserved? This could be a useful addition to a great article. Mjroots (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Good question! So far the only reference I have found is that Overpack made "thousands" of his logging wheels. I live in northern Michigan and find them displayed all over - even where there is not an outdoor museum around or the like. I have seen them displayed by the roadside and the color pictures are just that which I took in 2004. I suspect there are dozens still around in Michigan alone + whatever might be found in other northern states and Canada. The museums that I know where they are at I have listed. Will keep an eye out for further on this. Thanks for the comment on the article - I have submitted it for a possible DYK.--Doug talk 11:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I know you submitted it for a DYK, that's where I spotted it, the piccy looked interesting so I had a look at the article and did the conversions of measurements. Can't see why this shouldn't get the nom. Mjroots (talk) 12:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I take it you've seen my user page. One advantage of that is I can use "Related changes" to keep an eye on alterations to articles I've been involved in editing. It also enables me to quickly reach those articles if necessary. Mjroots (talk) 11:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The issue of the red text has come up again. I like it, and as you created it that way I reverted it back to red. I'm now being accused of "owning" the article in respect of that issue. Do you think the text should stay in red, or should it be black? If you change it from red I won't object, but if you want it to stay in red please say so, and I'll argue for its retention. Mjroots (talk) 15:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Black font is alright with me - then the issue is settled. I changed it to black font. --Doug talk 16:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Cone sisters
Looks pretty good to me. Re the brother, is it Ceasar of Cesar? Mjroots (talk) 08:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * According to this sign at their Proximity Mill it is Ceasar. Thanks for looking over the article and making improvements.--Doug talk 11:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

BRP Tunnels
I will check my data, I have some NPS data downloaded for the BRP including boundaries, waterways, etc. It just doesn't have any connecting roads. I will take a look to see if it happens to have tunnels and let you know. Otherwise, I should be able, at the very least, to make a map of just the parkway and appoximate locations of the tunnels could be added.

Sorry about the delay in reply.Exw81 {talk|contribs } 12:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, yes, I think a map would be appropriate either there or in close proximity to the list. I do not have tunnel data, but I can make a map with the Parkway and try to get approximations of the tunnels. Would you like the connecting highways or just the actual parkway itself? It may take a little while to do, but I'll be glad to help you out. Exw81 {talk|contribs } 14:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just approximations of the tunnels (most in NC) themselves is all that is necessary. Appreciate whatever you put into this. A lot of time isn't necessary, so if it gets too involved just something minimum will do. Thanks!--Doug talk 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great! I'm working on it and will upload it when its done, may be the other side of the weekend. My software will allow me to add that stuff in along with the state lines. Exw81 {talk|contribs } 18:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to let you know that I'm placing the tunnels, I had a particularly busy week last week, but the map is coming. Exw81 {talk|contribs } 13:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK x2
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 04:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject you might be interested in
Are you familiar with WikiProject Textile Arts ? You might be interested in it, as you have done some great work with textile-related articles lately. I have highlighted a couple of your WP:DYKs at Portal:Textile Arts. Cirt (talk) 00:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for compliments, however I will be away for a few months. Recently expanded Cone Mills Corporation (a related article) ten-fold and submitted to DYK. Perhaps you might like to look it over and tweak.--Doug talk 13:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Leaena and lioness.jpg
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George Washington Caldwell
I'll take a look. --Milkbreath (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Too many capitals
Hello. Please see my recent edits to Moses H. Cone. Notice that See Also, Early Life, External Links are incorrect forms according to Manual of Style. You're supposed to write See also, Early life, External links, etc. I.e. the first letter of a section heading is capital; later letters are capital only when there's a reason to capitalize, and being an initial letter in a section heading is not such a reason. Michael Hardy (talk) 01:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Iaia
The artist Iaia of Cyzicus was contemporary with Varro... but most likely not a Roman citizen (!) [Susan Treggiari, Roman Marriage: Iusti Coniuges from the Time of Cicero to the Time of Ulpian, page 83, Clarendon Press, 1993.] Why do you state on her article that Iaia was the daughter of Marcus Terentius Varro? Pliny's Natural history 35.147 does not support that claim. Could you please cite your sources? I have just added a citation needed. Thanks in advance. -- Pichote (talk) 09:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Brunswick Scoring
Your article indicated you might have some old schematics for a th A80 90 systems. . Would you habe the old CRT Schematics for the Zenith and Z-Axis lower console Hubbowl (talk) 06:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)–Monitors. Looking for Schematics for these.
 * No, do not have anytthing for the Zenith or Z-Axis consol. --Doug talk 12:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

5/11 DYK
I goofed up putting two Michigan articles up at the same time, but then, someone once put three Kentucky ones up at the same time.-- Bedford 21:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Concerns about sources in accolade (knighthood).
Doug, can you read by post over at Talk:Accolade (knighthood)? There are some important sourcing issues that need to be addressed as soon as possible. Thanks. Neutralitytalk 04:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Doug, what are the different elements you want to list in the Accolade dab page? Thanks, Marasmusine (talk) 08:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Posted follow-up concerns on accolade talk. Please take a look. Thanks. Neutralitytalk 18:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Image of Hamlin Lake Dam
I am a photo researcher currently working on a geology textbook for a school publisher and I am interested in presenting this image of Hamlin Lake Dam to my client for review. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hamlin_Lake_Dam1.jpg. Could you verify via email that you are its creator and that it has been released under the GNU Free Documentation license.You can email me at tania@pronk.com. Thanks 66.244.223.150 (talk) 19:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC) Tania


 * Uploaded several similar pictures to Commons for your use.--Doug talk 20:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Valerius Maximus
Hello Doug, in most ancient titles, you don't have to include the 'libri' part per se, but it's not wrong either. If it is omitted, you should not retain the genitive. Sorry I have to be short, but I am very busy at the moment. Regards. Iblardi (talk) 09:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

conscript fathers
Hello, I saw your posting on my talk page. I have a few suggestions for your Conscript Fathers page.

First, you might want to read History of the Constitution of the Roman Kingdom, Senate of the Roman Kingdom, and Constitution of the Roman Kingdom for more background on this subject.

Second, when you talk about early Roman history, much of it is legendary. For example, when you talk about Romulus (who was king and the person who made these appointments) and Remus (who never was king, and was killed by Romulus before Rome's founding) appointing 100 individuals to the senate, this is purely legend. Livy believed these legends to be historical fact. Most historians assumed these legends to be true up until the late 19th century.

At the Battle of the Allia in 390 BC, an army of Gauls sacked Rome. This was the last time Rome was sacked by a foreign army until the final century of the Roman Empire. In the sacking, all historical records were destroyed. Thus, later Romans invented legends (such as Romulus and Remus) to explain events that they had no other explanation for. Regular historical records (called annals) were not maintained until about the time of the Second Punic War in the late 3rd century BC. In other words, events up until 390 BC that contemporary historians reported were probably mostly legend (legends, however, that may be based on fact). Events over the next 150 years that contemporary historians reported were probably a mixture of legend and historical fact.

In my Roman constitution entries, I have tried to focus on what likely happened, rather than the legends. This is why, for example, I suggest that the early senators were just the heads of the leading families, and that there was not a concerted effort to appoint 100 members of each of the three ethnic groups (Latins, Sabines and Etruscans, as the legends suggest) to the senate. Just be aware of this when you write about early Roman history, and be sure to qualify statements that cite the legends.

Third, I think that your distinction between patres and patricians is somewhat incomplete. Patricians (the word derives from patre, which means "father" in Latin) were the original inhabitants of Rome. Later, when Rome began conquering neighboring cities, the citizens of those cities would sometimes come to Rome. Eventually, these people would become plebeians. All non-patricians were plebeians. It was the heads of these patrician families who became senators. It was the decedents of the members of these families who were the patricians of later centuries. I think you should clear this up in your entry.

Fourth, the censorship wasn't created until 443 BC (about 70 years after Lucius Junius Brutus' consulship). During these early years, the two consuls conjointly held all of the powers that had been held by the king. This included the power to conduct a census, and with it to appoint new senators (a processed called "lectio"). Thus, Brutus held "lectio" powers, and thus he (not any censor) appointed those first plebeians to the senate (according to the legends, anyway). The censors could remove senators from office for any or no reason, but only if that censor acted in conjunction with this censorial colleague (as was the case in any class demotion, since senators were senators because they were members of the elite senatorial class). Senators were never independent of the censors, and only served for life if the censors didn't remove them from the senate. Senators could be removed for immorality (although the Roman concept of 'morality' was vastly different from our own), but also for acts such as a criminal conviction, incompetence, disregarding precedent or a magistrate’s veto, or many other reasons.

Fifth, there were no "old senators" or "new senators". The patrician senators were the patres, while the plebeian senators were the conscripti. There also were no "privileged patricians". All patricians were of the same class, with the same legal rights. They constituted the aristocracy in Rome, since only they could trace their family heritage to the individuals who founded the city. This was why they were given so many legal rights.

Sixth, the senate consisted of 300 members up until the consulship of Lucius Cornelius Sulla. He increased it to 600 members. Julius Caesar increased it again to 900 members. Augustus, the first Roman Emperor, decreased it back to about 600. It stayed at 600 throughout the next several centuries. I am not sure where you are getting the figure of 2,000 senators. There were never that many senators. You might be thinking of the citizens who were eligible to vote in the legislative assemblies (the Roman senate was not a legislature).

I think what you should do is condense this to about 4 or 5 paragraphs, and make it into an entry on Roman senators. There is a lot of repetition in this entry, and you skip the 400 years between Brutus' consulship in 509 BC and Sulla's consulship in 88 BC.RomanHistorian (talk) 06:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input and detailed information. Right now I am out of town visiting relatives. I will respond to your questions when I get back home and meanwhile consider your answers.--Doug talk 11:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved this discussion over to Conscript Fathers talk page where it should be along with my reply to the 6 suggestions. --Doug talk 22:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Linda Finch
Sorry about removing an edit linking this figure, I didn't know there was an article in the works, nice job. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC).

No problem, I figured that's what happened since the edits were within 1 minute. Thanks for the comment - I'm hoping to get an accolade from DYK on this one. Thanks for the improvement edits. --Doug talk 19:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Doug, just to let you know, I have taken a "fancy" to your article and have made some extensive revisions. Please feel free to comment as these edits are not "set in stone." FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC).

Yes, I have noticed. What great improvements! Wow!! It sure is nice to see a professional writer work on an article and make it the way it should be. It is obvious you have many more years experience writing than I do. I have only been writing for Wikipedia for just over a year now. My background is in electronics, not writing - however I find it facinating and am now writing many new articles. I try to write them the best I can and hopefully they are chosen on DYK. Most lately have been. However they obviously need lots of improvement by a professional like you. I have received a 25 DYK Metal and am aiming for 50 DYK. Along the way on writing these articles I have only come across a few professionals like you, one being User:Xn4 and another being User:Wetman. I see you have made some great improvements to Amelia Earhart also. I'll study all these great improvements and techniques and see if I cann't incorporation them into my new articles to make them more professional - like your articles. Feel free to edit any of my articles that I have started or submit suggestions. I see now your edits are very professional. Thanks a bunch mate. --Doug talk 12:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Famous First Facts
I see you have recently started an article on Famous First Facts. Apparently you have a copy on hand? The 2000 version I borrowed from the library the other day shows in item 2287 (page 109) that Columbus used Zacuto's table to predict an eclipse. Does it show also in your copy as such. There is a discussion on the Reference Desk/Humanities currently going on about this. I don't have a copy of Samuel Eliot Morison's Christopher Columbus, Mariner (1955) so can not verify the current reference that it was the Ephemeris of the German astronomer Regiomontanus. All I know is that I have just found a web site that says the same as Famous First Facts. What is your take on this? --Doug talk 22:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I copied the details out of a book at the library, but I will look it up for you when I next have a chance. Alansohn (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * And an outstanding read, too!--Wetman (talk) 07:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ann Pellegreno
Check this page first. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC).


 * Nice article, much better than I could have done. You are a specialist in this field. --Doug talk 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ann Pellegreno
Thanks again BorgQueen for letting me know. --Doug talk 15:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Kimmwood Peters
Thanks BorgQueen for informing me. --Doug talk 18:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Dyk hook
Hello, I thin the hook for Glass Pavilion is too vague. I believe the article has more interesting facts to come up with better hook (impressionism, seven waterfalls, tearing down, etc). Renata (talk) 22:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thanks Gatoclass for letting me know. --Doug talk 12:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Glass Pavilion
Thanks again for letting me know BorgQueen. --Doug talk 18:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting little article, I learned something new! Thanks for writing it! --Falcorian (talk) 23:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Thompson, Countess Rumford
Thanks BorgQueen for informing me. --Doug talk 12:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks again Gatoclass for letting me know. --Doug talk 11:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for noticing Gatoclass. --Doug talk 14:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

NRHP resources, relevant to Mason County Courthouse or future articles
Hi Doug -- Saw you changed the DYK photo and otherwise responded with edits in the Mason County Courthouse. I suppose that's an okay way to go, with the other photo, although i do prefer, picture-wise, the first, main picture that you had in. It is a handsome pic.

I am here to suggest two resources to you:
 * 1) the Elkman NRHP infobox generator tool, at http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php, is a handy way to get an accurate, filled out infobox based on official National Register Information System (NRIS) database for any given NRHP site. Very easy to use, and saves a lot of time and effort!  Try it to see, that is what i used to add info to the infobox.  No need to manually create your own NRHP infobox, although you are free to add / revise the generator's output.
 * 2) a great source on any NRHP site is the official NRHP nomination document, or in cases of older NRHPs a later "inventory" document. These are available on-line for NRHPs that are also National Historic Landmarks and for all NRHPs in some states (but not Michigan as far as I know).  But, for ALL NRHPS, they are available for free in hard copy form, including with photocopies of photos and other attachments, from the National Park Service's National Register reference desk.  Send an email request providing your postal mail address to nr_reference (at) nps.gov, and you will usually get a prompt reply saying it will take about 2 weeks to receive, but in fact it seems to come a bit sooner.  Too late for the DYK nomination of the Mason County Courthouse, but you could ask for it anyhow in order to see what additional info it will provide (and you will probably find it very helpful).

Also, I don't know if you work on other NRHPs or are interested, but you would be very welcome to join wp:NRHP. It's a friendly, helpful wikiproject. Whether you join or not, you are also welcome to list your new articles on NRHP sites in the box for new articles in the main page at wp:NRHP,. That tends to attract helpful attention. Actually i suggest you list Mason County Courthouse there now, and it would likely get another few edits from others before the DYK is posted to mainpage. Cheers, doncram (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the above ideas. Did list the new article and hopefully I'll get some more constructive edits like yours. At the moment have not been able to come up with a hook that would fit the 1893 structure. If you have any ideas, I'll be glad to switch the picture. I've added more pictures in the Photo Gallery. I do believe you already have it correct as Michigan Registered Site L0404, per their website. Thanks for the additional improvement edits. --Doug talk 21:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Pierre Abraham Lorillard DYK

 * Sure, no problem - glad to do it for a quality article. --Doug talk 16:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

 * Thanks Gatoclass for notifying me. --Doug talk 11:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The 50 DYK Medal
Thanks for the Medal JayHenry. --Doug talk 18:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)