User:Drmies/sub

Typical words and phrases
[Drmies]
 * "gamesmanship" in user talk and Wikipedia talk: CoM at User talk:Ched/Archive 9, User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive 6, User talk:Drmies/Archive 3, Wikiquette assistance/archive71; Candle here and Articles for deletion/Native cuisine of Hawaii. By itself it may not look like much, but I've gone through all the "gamesmanships" in user and Wikipedia talk and found not a single editor who used it on multiple occasions (that is, in different edits).

[Kelapstick]
 * Typical keywords when complaining about other editors are bully(ing), intimidat(e/ion), and harass(ment).
 * CaC refers to attacking, bullying, harassing, intimidating
 * CaC refers to "attacking, bullying, harassing, intimidating"
 * CaC refers to "Dishonest, bullying and harasment"
 * CoM refers to User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_50
 * CoM refers to "Distortions, lies, smears, stalking and harassment from thugs"
 * CoM refers to "harassment, intimidation and thuggery"
 * Calling other editors "POV Pushers" (a search of "POV Push(er(s)/ing)" in CoMs talk archives shows a multitude of examples, but two diffs are below as well).
 * CaC " I am most proud that I have stood up against some of the worst admin abuse, dishonest and harassment by POV pushers like Drmies and other dishonest characters that abuse Wikipedia to advance their personal point of view" (same diff as above)
 * CoM "I'm outnumbered by POV pushers"
 * CoM https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChildofMidnight&diff=301456141&oldid=301455571 "And allocate the appropriate number of POV pushers to keep notable controversies and criticisms out of the Obama articles"]

They're both fond of the word "numerous", esp. when it comes to editors hounding them, or editors who agree with them that editor/admin X is guilty of multiple infractions (bullying, harassing, stalking, etc.)--see below, "On Talk:Jimbo Wales".

In edit summaries
[Drmies]

Some catchwords and phrases in edit summaries, many of which to do with attempts to claim notability or merging of content. Numbers in brackets occur to frequency; these are "clean", that is, they aren't part of an included section title. In order, these numbers are occurrences for ChildofMidnight and Candleabracadabra, respectively, with one exception, explained below.
 * "important subject" (10, 2)
 * "very important subject" (1, 2)
 * "somewhat notable" (1, 6)
 * "seems notable" (13, 4)
 * "looks okay" (7, 3)
 * "should be merged" (5, 6)
 * "wholesale removal" (7, 4)

The most damning instance is "nevermind" (typical of how CoM and Candle correct themselves; in user talk space, this is done in subsequent edits to the text). "nevermind", capitalized only once, and always at the beginning of a summary, often followed by a period: 18 for CoM, 3 for Candle, and 1 for Freakshownerd, a verified CoM sock. CoM uses "Nevermind" as a single word in-text also, here, for instance. CoM uses it in Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive547, Articles for deletion/Black president ("Nevermind Drmies, he's European"), Articles for deletion/Commerce revision.

"Wikispeak"
[Kelapstick]
 * A claim to a lack of knowledge of WikiSpeak by CoM and CaC
 * "on the revdel or whatever the refund Wikispeak is for that subject" by CaC
 * CoM proclaims "I am not fluent in WikiSpeak" on his user page. Other hits on Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Ayn_Rand/Evidence, Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive515
 * CaC claims " I don't yet know all the procedural intricacies of Wikipedia", but managed to repair an AfD tag, complete with timestamp.

Articles, overlap
[Kelapstick]


 * Both CoM and CaC have created a large number of articles on architects and food. The food is easy to see, but here is a selection of architects, and there are more instances below, in "Overlap". As an aside, oth also wrote articles on designers and design firms, and furniture makers.
 * George Keister Architect - CaC
 * Alfredo De Vido‎ Architect - CaC
 * Michael J. Garvin - Architect - CaC
 * Herman Brookman - Architect - CoM (last article he created)
 * Otto Kleeman - Architect - CoM
 * Walter D. Pugh - Architect - CoM
 * [Pereira & Luckman]] - Architectural firm - CoM
 * MBM (architecture firm) - CoM
 * Tony Fretton - Architect - CoM
 * Diener & Diener - Architectural firm - CoM
 * Thomas Herzog - Architect - CoM
 * [De Blacam & Meagher]] - Architectural firm - CoM
 * Henri Ciriani - Architect - CoM
 * Atelier Kempe Thill - Architectural firm - CoM
 * Frits van Dongen - Architect - CoM
 * Frederick Heath (architect) - CoM
 * Brooks + Scarpa - Architectural firm - CoM

Article creation: referencing style
[Drmies and Kelapstick]

Both are prolific article creators, even if, as Kelapstick and numerous (!) others have suggested, a lot of them are on barely notable topics with bloggy or otherwise unreliable references. The topics food and architects have already been mentioned, but Los Angeles and Florida landmarks, restaurants, parks, trails, and other features are legion as well. Journalists were a minor but important interest.

Note that in "Overlap", below, I am making reference on occasion to a "typical" citation style; some details are given in this section.


 * Referencing stubs. Typical style is " [www.example.com The title article] Text about the work/author " The work is never italicized, and the author/work never wikilinked; most often, there is no final punctuation in the handmade reference (CoM was always loath to use citation templates).
 * CaC - Usi (food)
 * CaC - Amiedi
 * CaC - banga (soup)
 * CaC - Ukodo
 * CoM - Hamilton Hotel (Portland, Oregon)
 * CoM - Geiser Grand Hotel

Writing style
[Kelapstick]
 * CaC and CoM have the same proseline style of writing, following this format:
 * This is a sentence.[1] This is another unrelated sentence.[2] Here is yet another unrelated sentence[3]


 * CoM - Last paragraph of this version of Matthias Pliessnig
 * CoM -This version of Caryn Wagner
 * CaC - This version of American Educational Resources Association
 * CaC - This version of Woodbridge Hall
 * CoM - this version of William Warren Sabin

Overlap: articles edited by Candle and CoM
[Drmies]

The list below (courtesy of Pietrodn's Intersect tool, which gives 136 articles and talk pages) could be extended; selected are the somewhat esoteric articles, those without high traffic. In bold are particularly salient examples. Anecdotal evidence suggests that Candle, who occasionally reverts vandalism to those articles, still has a kind of CoM-watchlist.


 * Armet Davis Newlove Architects, an architectural firm, created by CoM (with me tweaking the refs and templates), edited by Candle in four consecutive edits. Article has only seven editors with more than one edit
 * Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena, two edits by CoM with the typical lack of proper style, [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Midlands Ghost Research Society Candle] commenting on related AfD, copy edit of article.
 * Blennerhassett Hotel, a CoM creation title=Blennerhassett_Hotel&action=history with three edits by Candle, and only seven editors with more than one edit.
 * Botan Rice Candy, a rather esoteric Japanese candy, tweaked by CoM here and by Candle here
 * Brentwood S. Tolan, an architect, tweaked by CoM and Candle, article has only two dozen or so contributors
 * Bánh mì, a Vietnamese food,four by CoM, two by Candle
 * Bánh, ditto, two series of edits by CoM, here and here (and note how CoM does a GBook ref, with the search term in the URL), and one from Candle
 * Celina, Ohio, an edit by Candle with characterist incomplete citation (note lack of final punctuation) and a few more, and one minor edit by CoM
 * Coburn & Barnum, Cleveland architectural firm, a CoM creation (with characteristic references), with substantial edits by Candle--with the same "style" of referencing in the first linked set of edits
 * Douglas Schoen, a FOX commentator, a CoM creation (note references, title hyperlinked, no final punctuation), and two tweaks by Candle (plus two vandalism reverts)
 * Duckanoo, a fairly esoteric (and very poor) creation by CoM and substantial edits by Candle
 * Fashion Architecture Taste, Dutch architectural firm, CoM creation, with substantial edits by Candle
 * Hof's Hut, a California restaurant chain, created by CoM (note references, many with titles linked, incomplete and sloppy, no final punctuation, and Candle adds a Facebook photo; both also edited the talk page
 * Hotel Utica, a CoM creation (and note the references: title hyperlinked, no final punctuation), with one single substantial edit by Candle--reference done the same way (though he had learned "ref name" by now)--article has only 30 or so edits
 * Luis Barragán, Mexican architect, each one edit
 * Marvin Braude Bike Trail, extensive edits by CoM, four edits by Candle
 * Munsingwear: seven edits in all for the article--CoM creates the redirect, Candle writes the article, with hyperlinked titles and a citation without final punctuation
 * National Retail Properties, a real estate company in Florida, with one edit each
 * Nun's puffs, created by CoM (in honor of me! they're delicious), and copy-edited by Candle
 * Poppy seed, a CoM creation--note the references in this version, with hyperlinked title and no final punctuation, extensive edits by CoM (and me, and Hafspajen), and a tweak by Candle
 * Reed Cowan, a journalist, with six edits by CoM and seven by Candle
 * Sonny's Real Pit Bar-B-Q, a Floridian BBQ chain,two by CoM and one by Candle
 * Stick candy is a good example of CoM edit warring (February 2009)--see edit summaries there for "against consensus" and the talk page for his usual belligerence and appeal to civility while attacking, "A third opinion like yours indicates a lack of understanding of the civility guideline and the need to be resourceful in verifying the accuracy of article content." Candle has an edit in this article too.
 * Venable, a somewhat esoteric dab page, both with one edit
 * West 8, a Dutch architecture firm, created by CoM and me (a fine piece of work!), with a recent tweak by Candle
 * Wich Stand, a really non-notable coffee shop in LA, created by CoM and tweaked by Candle with the characteristic style of referencing--the whole (incomplete) citation hyperlinked without final punctuation; article only has some 35 edits
 * Alshon Jeffery is a former college football player for South Carolina, an SEC team. CoM used to tease me about being an Alabama fan, and that is how he created it--note the edit summary (turned out to be untrue) and the well-known referencing style. Interestingly, a known CoM sock, Tigersarecomingforyou (a reference no doubt to the Auburn Tigers), left me a note; this is a thread he started asking me to expand the article. CoM has nine edits to the article, Tigers one, and Candle has a revert (again suggesting a watchlist as well)

And speaking of esoteric: Talk:Better than sex cake was tweaked by CoM and got a comment from Candle (talk page has seven editors; Candle voted in Articles for deletion/Is It Really Better Than Sex? Cake

"Climate variability'
This section written by, and posted on User talk:Callanecc. I made one change, to the diff in the first sentence, which didn't work (as is the case with some others) because Climate variability is now a redirect. [Drmies]


 * In 2009, ChildofMidnight removed a redirect and restored a POV fork of the climate change topic called climate variability.  He proceeded to "work" on it from June 28-29, 2009.  I use the term "work" in quotes because it looks like he forked the material over from other articles like the parent topic. The POV fork was properly restored to the appropriate redirect on January 1, 2010.
 * ChildofMidnight was blocked by arbcom on March 9, 2010, and abandoned his account ten days later.
 * Just five days ago, on May 15, 2014, Candleabracadabra restored this obscure article. He then proceeded to "work" on it from May 15-19, restoring the bulk of material added by ChildofMidnight.
 * On the same day, Candleabracadabra restored an alternate redirect, Climatic variability, and reverted to ChildofMidnight's version.
 * The two primary editors of both redirects are ChildofMidnight and Candleabracadabra, with edits separated four years apart.
 * On May 17, he created the article climatological normal, a new stub article that links to climate variability.

Various disruptive behaviors
These are many. Perhaps the most striking, given the recent Native Hawaiian cuisine spat, is the moving of pages during an AfD or other discussion.

[Kelapstick]
 * Moving pages mid AfD, trying to make it the article about a different subject (two examples each, I am sure there are more).
 * CaC moved List of food trucks in New York City to Food trucks in New York City -> Food trucks in New York City during Articles for deletion/List of Food Trucks in New York City
 * CAC moved List of Brazilian natural gas companies -> List of South American gas companies during Articles for deletion/List of Brazilian natural gas companies
 * CoM moved Never After -> Dan Elconin during Articles for deletion/Never After
 * CoM moved Ralph Madoff -> Ralph and Sylvia Madoff during Articles for deletion/Ralph Madoff

Ragging on admins
[Drmies]

Candle

 * "Are you just being disruptive?" Part of Candle being on a tear against Nyttend. Note how in the AN thread Candle started about Nyttend he uses the typical CoM language--scroll for "It's unfortunate that Nyttend seems to have gotten away with his bullying tactics. I don't think that's appropriate behavior for an admin." "I think bullying is wrong. Period. Nyttend should shape up." "He has banned me from his talk page but is now stalking my edits." "...to find out whether an admin can bully and intimidate an editor away from working on an article." After told him to drop the stick, "GregJ, if you don't think issuing multiple bogus warnings, threats and accusations, stalking my edits to other pages and expanding the dispute while prohibiting me from contacting him on his talk page, and making personal attacks against me isn't bullying I think you are mistaken." "Nyttend's bullying has stopped." " I don't think this kind of diruptive antagonism is appropriate from an admin." Earlier on Nyttend's talk page: "You are an admin and are expected to conduct yourself in a manner consistent with high standards."


 * AN comment by Candle on : "acting in an aggresive, unseemly and uncostructive manner towards good fath contributors", "He's acting inappropriately and like a jerk. Maybe he needs a break?"

CoM
"incivility and nastiness" on User talk:Wizardman (CoM), also on User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive 11. "Nastiness and incivility" on User talk:ChildofMidnight/Archive 13

"hounding, stalking and harassment", "hounded, harassed, and stalked" on same

Candle and CoM, same admin
[Drmies]

Typical interaction with an administrator ( over a deleted article: this by, a blocked CoM sock (article since then moved to Paul E. Tierney); this by Candle, regarding Merrimack Canoe Company, in full passive-aggressive mode, with the usual complaint about how "Wikipedia is fast losing contributors".

On Talk:Jimbo Wales
One could have a field day going through their usually specious contributions to Jimbo's talk page, but it should be noted that Candle does not yet have the vitriol that CoM had for Jimbo, though you'll find plenty of bile for admins.
 * On [User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_93]] is a particularly silly example by Candle, complaining: "Almost all of my previous contributions have been put up for speedy deletion which doesn't allow much time for building. I thought this was supposed to be a collaborative enterprise? With cooperation and assumptions of good faith? That hasn't been my experience in dealing with the administrators here."
 * Here is CoM, kindly giving Jimbo a couple of weeks to completely overhaul the way in which Wikipedia is governed, and do something else--no one responds to his first point, fortunately; archived at User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 50.
 * Here is [User talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=317772139#Grievances CoM in typical passive-aggressive fashion] tells Jimbo where it's at: "Not exactly a shining example of Wikipedia's collegiality and collaboration at its best, but if you think that's a helpful way to treat editors who may be unfamiliar with our procedures and policies (which aren't exactly intuitive mind you) then it's no wonder we have the tensions and animosities that are so prevalent."
 * CoM again, about the alternate accounts he thinks all admins seem to have.
 * CoM responds in a session started by his pal Grundle2600 about, what else, Obama. Note his response to : "There has never been any kind of finding that my editing violates the NPOV policy, quite the opposite in fact as your attempts at censorship and bias have been noted repeatedly by numerous editors." "Numerous" is a fave word of Candle's as well: "You obviously learned nothing and remain unrepentant from your past experiences where numerous editors pointed out to you that it was disrespectful" (that's me he's talking to). (For the follow-up to Candle's accusation of antisemitism, see this edit.) Here is Candle being harassed by NUMEROUS "buddies" of mine, and here it's Viriditas who has confused Candle with their "numerous moves and redirect[s]".
 * CoM ranting about how "admins punish good faith editors who are being baited, harassed and trolled", "one of the main reasons we are losing so many editors who give up in frustration".
 * Note how fond Candle is of posting content-related stuff on Jimbo's talk page--this about Urhobo cuisine; here is CoM at the end of a long thread about retouching photographs, and here is Candle again on, well, acoustic harassment.

Miscellaneous
[Drmies] Fidel Castrato insulting another editor, after participating in Articles for deletion/Kresimir Chris Kunej (2nd nomination), where he made a friendly jab at me. Fidel's retaliation is here, revenge on. Child edited the article here, admins only. (This to indicate that Fidel is also a CoM sock, as my veiled edit summary recognizes

Candle disruption/personal insults
[Drmies]

This is a selection of fresh ones. I have not included the charges he leveled at me, about my abusive bullying, my drinking, my antisemitism, etc--they are there, in plain sight, on Candle's own talk page and some on mine. Various other insults toward Kelapstick are found on Candle's talk page.
 * "If you want to engage in some kind of weird denialism I don't know how I can help you, but your contributions and administrative actions so far have been totally unhelpful and wacky." (directed at K-stick)
 * "Suggesting something you know is not true is completely dishonest. I believe lying is a clear policy violation? Please strike your comments" (directed at K-stick) "Because the ridiculous disruption by Viriditas has been never ending I thought it best to get very clear community consensus on the issue so we can move forward." "Your clouding of the issues, distortions, and contradictory statements are sad." (K-stick again--three for the price of one.)
 * first "warning on User talk:Viriditas, with free accusations thrown in--and the old "I will be forced to pursue disciplinary measures"
 * second note on User talk:Viriditas, "rude and dismissive manner"
 * third note on User talk:Viriditas, repeating the previous note with additional charges--a false charge of canvassing, making "a bunch of attacks", "try treating your fellow editors with some respect"
 * fourth note on User talk:Viriditas, repeating the previous note with yet more charges--" I am not templating antagonistically or dishonestly attacking you in various forums as you did me. Let's work through this and leave your nastiness in the past," "you ignored my post and engaged in dishonest attacks," "And please stop templating and engaging in battlefield tactics and personal attacks and other abuses. It's not helping anything." (Typical condenscension here...)
 * fifth note on User talk:Viriditas, again a revert of the previous with additional personal attack: "I don't have any desire to communicate with people who habitually lie."
 * sixth note on User talk:Viriditas, two NPA warnings for the price of one, one of them a "Final warning"
 * "Indeed. Seems to be your motto." Snark on my talk page, directed at his old friend Hafspajen, with whom CoM and I used to edit (under his old name, Warrington)
 * "Honestly Cullen, Native Hawaiian cuisine did not end with the arrival of Europeans. This editing is borderline offensive. Hawaiians are allowed to use plastic. They don't have to stay in the stone age."