User:Egghead06/Sandbox17

Slaven Bilic / Terry Westley
Input needed — User:Autonovax and I disagree on the managerial statistics for the above manager and coach. For West Ham's first two games of the season against FC Lucitans in July, in the Europa League, Slaven Bilic was the manager having been appointed in June. However for the first game he met the players before the game but then went to the stand and left Terry Westley in charge. For the second game he was on the bench but Westley was in charge. The "Managerial statistics" section for Bilic currently show three games played, five have been played since he became manager. User:Autonovax insists the first two games should count as under the Managerial stats section for Westley. Soccerbase currently has five for Bilic and none for Westley. The Independent after the game on 30 July, the fifth since Bilic was appointed, referred to Bilic's "five games as manager", ESPN referred to five games under Bilic. There have been numerous incidents over the years when managers did not take charge, , but the games still count as under the managership of the official manager and even in Westley's own words Bilic played a significant part in the games — just not on the bench!

We were warned for edit-warring over this and did discuss this on Bilic's talkpage but got nowhere until User:Autonovax reverted again to his opinion. So should all the games played since Bilic has been manager count under his managerial statistics or just those where he has been "in charge"?