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Golden Spike Company - social media channels
Hello, you deleted the EL to the company's social media channels citing WP:ELPEREN. Actually, as I read it, this rule is primarily dealing with personal social media sites, not corporate ones. As is, I understand that a more appropriate rule is covered (exempted) by ELOFFICIAL. There has been, incidentally, a long discussion on this issue here: Talk:Golden_Spike_Company and I believe it was agreed, reluctantly or otherwise, to leave these links in since these were official company controlled media resources. Visitors to this page would likely be seeking all resources to the company information, and so these links are relevant and part of the company communication strategy. As I understand it, the primary objection to including social media links is that they can easily expand into a directory of web-links, a link farm of excessive links (typically fan sites for video games, film stars, musicians, etc.) that can dwarf the primary article. This is not a risk here. I have therefore restored these links. If you disagree with this, perhaps you could re-activate the Talk:Golden_Spike_Company thread. I don't have a personal interest in this issue, but do feel that in this specific type of situation, that including EL to company controlled social media is appropriate and valuable information to the reader. Regards, Enquire (talk) 04:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, you are incorrect. The idea is that anyone with a robust website can choose to link or not their other social media from that site. It's their choice. If they have an official website, we don't link to their social media sites. The specific wording in WP:EL that applies is: WP:EL. Thanks. Yworo (talk) 16:35, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * With respect, there appears to be ambiguity. I totally understand that Wikipedia is not a directory service or link farm.  However, I was reading and guided by the criteria (1 & 2), per WP:ELOFFICIAL.  I have no vested interest in this particular article and no particular interest to pursue this issue.  I am, however, perplexed by the apparent ambiguity or conflicting advice in the various rules on this matter.  Regards. Enquire (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:ELOFFICIAL applies only to websites, not social media sites. Does that clarify? Yworo (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If so, maybe the policy should say that specifically. I do not a position on this matter, I am just interpreting what I read.  Maybe I am misunderstanding the intent, but I don't/didn't think so.  However, if my interpretation is false, then maybe the policy needs to be reworded. Enquire (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Enquire, you are grossly misreading WP:EL. There is no ambiguity; the subject gets one, and only one, link to their own controlled website. Any other links should be to external sources of useful information. We do not give a INSERT VULGARISM OF YOUR CHOICE what their corporate "communication" strategy may be: this is an encyclopedia, not a webguide. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Orangemike (2012-12-13) Social media and EL
Hello Orange Mike, You commented on Yworo's talk page Golden Spike Company - social media channels.
 * Enquire, you are grossly misreading WP:EL. There is no ambiguity; the subject gets one, and only one, link to their own controlled website. Any other links should be to external sources of useful information. We do not give a INSERT VULGARISM OF YOUR CHOICE what their corporate "communication" strategy may be: this is an encyclopedia, not a webguide. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The discussion was regarding the inclusion of links to social media websites that are directly controlled by the company. I do understand that fan sites are not allowed and that Wikipedia is not a link-farm or a social media directory service. I also understand that WP:FANSITE means sites (of which there can be many) are now allowed. However, it was my good faith understanding that such company websites are acceptable per WP:ELOFFICIAL. Now, I understand otherwise, since Yworo stated that WP:ELPEREN applies. There had been a discussion on where it was agreed to keep the social channels of Golden Spike per WP:ELOFFICIAL. Nobody mentioned WP:ELPEREN in that discussion, and so the social media was left in. Now I know about WP:ELPEREN, although I didn't before. However, I did not see where there is a line saying the subject only gets one link. Perhaps you would be so kind as to show me where? Reading through, I must assume that it is ELOFFICIAL ... if so, may I be so bold as to suggest an edit to reference this from rules that seem to permit such links? Enquire (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't give a monkey's how many "essays", guidelines subsections, etc etc you can quote acronyms for. Giving one link to a company's web site is one thing, giving links to all their various publicity pages on any site they use to publicise themselves is another. It is using Wikipedia for promotion, which is contrary not only to Wikipedia policy but also to the whole spirit of Wikipedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Another . What JamesBWatson said. Their official site has links to both Facebook and Twitter for any reader who is remotely interested in them. They have zero encyclopedic value. We're not here to drive traffic to companies and their various publicity vehicles. As it is that article's sources, are overwhelmingly their own PR and press releases. Voceditenore (talk) 18:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)