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Irish topics
Hi there,

I noticed your edits to Ardmore, County Waterford. If you are interested in Irish topics, you may wish to visit the Irish Wikipedians' notice board that some of us use for collaboration, notices and information.

Hope you are enjoying your wiki-ing!

zoney &#09827; talk 19:09, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Corinthian capial.png
Can you provide the original source for this meticulous academic engraving? Blondel? It would be good to analyze at Corinthian order. --Wetman 23:04, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Possibly the French translation of Vitruvius by Claude Perrault? --Wetman 02:16, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Giant Sequoia
Hi Eoghanacht - I'm very doubtful about the statements "Loose ground ash may also act as a cover to protect the seeds from ultraviolet radiation damage" and "Some research indicates that many cones need to be partially dried by beetle holes before fire can fully open them"; the former seems very improbable as ash would if anything reflect UV off the ground back onto the foliage; the second, the cones open readily without insect damage provided the branch it is on dies, i.e., is no longer supplying water to the cone. The beetles aid cone opening by cutting the vascular supply from the tree on live branches, thereby allowing the cones to dry as if the branch were fire-killed. On uses, there is some renewed interest in GS as a high volume timber producer in plantations, as the wood from young trees is stronger and less brittle; some tests I read of showed it is comparable in quality with Coast Redwood - MPF 18:20, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks; that sounds reasonable that cones too high in the crown wouldn't get enough heat from a ground fire. The 50% beetle-attacked surprises me, I collected a bagful of cones at Calaveras, and inspected the cones carefully for insect damage (so as not to introduce the beetle to Britain!) but couldn't find any, nor did I get any beetles emerging later either (the cones still opened well of course!).
 * There's several small trial plantations of GS in Britain and a few elsewhere in Europe, I'll see if I can find the recent details about its potential timber value (unfortunately I can't remember where I read it just now!). - MPF 00:28, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Good stuff; I'll add few odds'n'ends on Giant Sequoia. Nice start on Georgia oak; it has a few things to change but nothing major (it has a zoological style rather than botanical style author citation, and like all science subjects, the primary measures should be metric not imperial). Don't know if you know of it, a very useful source for info (on the taxa treated so far!) is the Flora of North America - for Georgia oak the page is here - MPF 21:10, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vicky Botwright
The one-sentence article Vicky Botwright has been tagged as since February, but you were the only one to write on its talk page that it should be kept. Since then, no one has worked on it. So could you please help expand it before someone else decides to put it on VFD. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 03:22, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Palla
IIRC, "palla" was a synonym for "impala" mentioned by the 1911 Britannica, now orphaned because of clearing of the missing topics list. I would suggest a little checking with Google to see about which are the common uses, and use that to decide redir or disambig. I don't have any opinion either way. Stan 01:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Using Gutenberg author template
Hi Eoghanacht In case you are interested in converting more external links to use the recently developed gutenberg author template, just take a look at my contributions: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Andrew+Sly and contributions I've made when not logged in: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=199.60.222.3 Most of my edits are related to Project Gutenberg, and dozons of them have been author links to the PG catalog. Andrew Sly 19:05, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Personally, I would prefer to change the gutenberg author template to have "Works by" as part of the link. I used a form similar to this for many of the links I have added. It seems more appropriate because, when you think about it, it is not a link to "H.G. Wells", but a link to "Works by H.G. Wells" I had thought of looking into changing this, but have not got around to it yet.

Also, on a diverging topic, I am not really quite satisfied with template:gutenberg. First of all, emphasizing the word "Free" reminds me of bad advertising. Anyone familiar with Project Gutenberg will know that PG texts are distributed freely, and anyone not familiar will find that out very easily if they have any interest, without needing the word "Free" to entice them.

Secondly, this template works just fine when used just once in an article, but for my tastes, it gets rather overly-wordy when used in a longer list. See Barsoom series or David Hume for examples. I understand that it takes extra time for the wikimedia software to process each link when serving a page, so I'd rather avoid the redundancy of a link to Project Gutenberg for every item in the list. A manually constructed list which just mentions Project Gutenberg once is much cleaner and easier to grasp the meaning of.

Also, sometimes there is additional information that it may be desirable to add which may not fit into the template naturally. See Erewhon for an example which is slightly awkward. Andrew Sly 07:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Pallone interwiki
You're dead right, Pallone (gioco) is the proper link, my mistake. I fixed it; by the way, sooner or later I will find some pictures to add. Bye Andrea.gf 07:08, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Checking on articles I do for Wikipeda
I notice you did well improve on New Echota that I wrote for and better than me. I wonder if you can check on Adairsville, Georgia, Andersonville, Georgia, Battle of Adairsville, and Cculber007 to see if you can improve them. Check Andersonville National Historic Site, I believe this article needs to change to be same style like New Echota. Let me know. Thanks! I wodner if ic an add my picture to my user?


 * I have a busy weekend planned, but if I can I will. In honesty though, the only one I have any personal experience with is Andersonville NHS, and that was only a visit to the national cemetery there.  I'm sorry, but I do not understand your last question about the picture.  --Eoghanacht 2005 July 1 10:22 (UTC)

Kool Korners Grocery
I sympathise with your project, but see my abstain vote on the VfD. Good luck -- I think using WP for this sort of thing is in general an excellent idea. Sdedeo 01:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

"Nonfederal" or "private"?
You may be correct. I was assuming the situation that pertains at the Gettysburg National Military Park, where all of the land that is not owned by the Park Service is in fact privately owned; some of it is protected by easements so that it will not be developed in inappropriate ways. But the other parks may have different arrangements, so I will correct my error. Hal Jespersen 20:55, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Categories: Dang! I didn't even know that one existed. Successful editing on Wikipedia is sometimes a random walk. I think I will keep hands off these pages of yours. I seem to be jinxing things. Sorry. Hal Jespersen 14:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I misunderstood your message. Wow, I usually do better work than this. :-) OK, now I see that you're proposing these. I, for one, think the Wikipedians have gone WAY overboard in creating categories, trying to turn this into a relational database or something, whereas I think a better relationship with Google would be more satisfying for most readers. I try to keep up with the existing categories as a courtesty to the rest of the folks, but have never created any. As to your proposal, I think dividing US battlefields into CW vs non-CW is too nitpicky. I think categories are most useful when they can be used to help people browse around to topics of interest, not strictly define them. But that's just IMHO. If you do create these, let me know and I'll conform to it. Hal Jespersen 15:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks!
Hey man, thanks a million for the barnstar. I was worried nobody had noticed all the revisions!:) Thanks again! Banes 17:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Cape Henry
My thinking is that the various articles are each of very different types. Cape Henry itself is essentially a geography feature, Cape Henry Lighthouse = history and lighthouses, Fort Story = army base, etc. I restored the original Cape Henry article, and there are internal links to all the others, which are mentioned. The individual articles should contain more detailed information of each specific nature. My thinking is that readers researching may come across their article of choice by topic, an aspect that can be lost by too much merging. (ie, if i do a Google search for lighthouses, would articles named "Cape Henry Memorial" or worse yet, "Colonial National Historical Park" logically lead me to the oldest lighthouse? likewise, I sure wouldn't want someone looking for Fort Story information to have to find "Colonial National Historical Park".

IMHO, I think there is room in Wikipedia for each of these articles. However, I am part of the collaborative effort her, so we should entertain and consider arguments to the contrary. Respectfully (and thanks for your efforts), Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia. Vaoverland 00:58, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Good job
I saw your infobox addition to Arlington House, The Robert E. Lee Memorial and liked it...hadn't thought about putting one up. I added a cushion space between the infobox and the text to keep it from looking too congested. I recently went through all the full National Park articles and completed installing infoboxes there and every one of the wilderness areas I have either created or come across, I also have templated. Take a look at the spacing thing and you might also want to check the edit on a few of the national park articles and check out the template...it achieves the same thing and isn't so expansive looking on the editing page...but whatever works for you. Keep up the good work!--MONGO 18:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, why not become a member of WikiProject Protected areas, it can always use good editors as I think some of them are not doing much editing anymore.--MONGO 18:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

See my userpage or for example Bob Marshall Wilderness...the infobox for wilderness areas omits visitation and I think one other detail as it is too difficult to judge visitation. You might also want to check out the hundreds of red lined links on the list of wilderness areas link at the bottom of the Bob Marshall Wilderness article and see that there is a vast number of unwritten articles...I've completed all the ones in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, and added the infobox to most of the already existing wiliderness articles aside from the ones in Colorado.--MONGO 18:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Sure, whatever works is fine of course...I can't remeber if I created my own template or adapted an existing one...anyhoo, no one had yet added an infobox to a wilderness article so I kind of initiated it...but I will probably use your infobox on a few other article I wrote such as Great Falls Park, unless you beat me to it! Anyway, see you around.--MONGO 18:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Green Spring
I assume you have spotted the new Green Spring article. I thought I sent you a message i was working on it, but it apparently didn't get posted (my bad, as the kids say these days!). Feel free to edit it, etc. I added some to the William Berkeley article also. mark Vaoverland 20:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Neat additions. Isn't WP collaboration both fun and productive? Mark Vaoverland 20:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

It seems the information about naming of Berkeley California was in error. However, there was a Virginia county (now in West Virginia) and a town which many historians believe qualify. Too bad, I liked the remote reach to California, apparently only a reach. Mark Vaoverland 21:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

It turns out there was already an article on Battle of Green Spring, it was just very poorly labeled. Vaoverland 00:54, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

State Park template
Regarding your question about the proper use of the Template:State park, your best bet is to see it in action. Check out Hocking Hills State Park for an example of the template in use. Good luck! --Kralizec! 21:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for my confusion. I have never tried to use the coordinate template inside another template. Do nested templates work? --Kralizec! 16:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I know what you mean about the wrapping issue with the protected areas infobox. Between that issue and the fact that very few state parks are listed in the IUCN database, I instead opted to create a state park-specific infobox. --Kralizec! 18:38, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

False Cape State Park
Could you so your thing with this new article, including the state park template? Also, we are getting red links on the category for Virginia State Parks. Thanks, Mark Vaoverland 18:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Template
Not to bring this to your user talk, but was wondering what everyone has decided as to the template for the protected areas. I agree that coordinates should be D/M/S as precision is best. I backed off from using the wikimark which will be the "template" until someone that is good at developing such things (you) has it completed...or is it completed? I'm a bit lost and won't be ading the infobox until everything is resolved as I don't want to step on anyone's toes.--MONGO 19:48, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

That sounds like a plan--MONGO 00:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Eoghanacht, thanks for notifying me of your Protected Area discussion. I haven't been around very much lately, with vacations and work.  I have no heartburn with you converting the template to Wiki markup instead of HTML.  Even as a software developer, I just find the Wiki markup very confusing and especially difficult if you want to decode it in your head.  I can never figure out what a Wiki mark template will do just by looking at it, and I certainly can't make one from scratch.  It looks like the two can coexist peacefully, though, so that's good.  The subtemplates shouldn't ever need to be changed, so even though I'm a fan of consistency, I wouldn't worry too much about converting them to Wiki markup.  Mrendo 14:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I did get started with Wikipedia
After your suggestion, I did get started editing the latin Wikipedia - I hold you accountable for hours of my time spent on the thing! God bless. (la:usor:tbook) --Tbook 20:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Status
Any idea what the status of the template situation is for the protected areas project? I'm leaving the design of such to folks like yourself and User:Mrendo, who apparently are a lot better than I am at the designing stages. Looks like you have a go to come up with one.--MONGO 00:57, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I see your comment on my talk page. I have refrained from using any more of my efforts to do the cut and paste as I understand where I misunderstood the difference between that and what a template is...my bad. Let me know what to do and I'll go around and reupdate all those cut and paste mess ups I created! Feel free to utilize the newer article I created in my "under construction" subheading on my userpage...the coordinates can be found to the D/M/S by clicking the topozone links I have at the bottom of each article...the acreage along with km(&sup2;) are also in the body of the articles or by using Google convertor for hecacres.--MONGO 09:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I see the comment you made on MONGO's talk page. It sounds like you are intending to rewrite the template that I have already written.  I know you worked on it a little, but am I misunderstanding your comment about starting "programming the template in ernest?"  I think if anything, *applying* the template in ernest is what we need to do. Mrendo 12:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, we are newer to the project than you, so I need to know where the template is...can you link it to my in my usertalk? Also, since there was a vote to ?change? in the project pages, have we all agreed there as to what changes we are going to make to any? If the template exists and it meets everyones needs, then there isn't a need for a new one. I just couldn't find it...due probally to my dunderheadedness.--MONGO 08:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Catoctin Mountain
Hey there, Eoghanacht. I saw that you worked on the article for Catoctin Mountain but my major concern is that Catoctin Mountain like other ridges in the Appalachian ridge and valley region cross the Potomac River, and Catoctin is also in Loudoun County, Virginia. I was wondering if you would mind if I made Catoctin Mountain and Catoctin Mountain Park two separate articles since the park only deals with the Maryland side of the mountain. Just wondered your opinion. Thanks! --Caponer 05:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Lincoln Museum
I noticed that you created a redirect article Lincoln Museum that redirected to Ford's Theatre. I just changed it to point to Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum, in Springfield, Illinois, which is considered to be the official repository of the Abraham Lincoln papers, as well as some very important artifacts. --Rogerd 17:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate your support on my Rfa. I didn't ask to be an Admin and had numerous editors wanting to nominate me so after a couple of months I decided to let one nominate me. I had no idea it would be so heated and I am surprised at the number of people that are opposed. I do know that I haven't always been the most polite contributor and hope that if I ever do offend you that you let me know. I have really enjoyed the massive improvement you and Papayoung did to the infobox...it is an excellent addition and I have been using it a lot lately and will continue to do so. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.--MONGO 21:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the is no one way to do things. Diceman can certainly use the infobox he wishes. The coordinates thing was I think what we used before, but what we have now works fine. I redid, I think, all the artilces on my userpage and still have to make sure everything works there. I'll assist you with the major parks as well as I have time. then I'll resume national forest, wilderness and since there is omething like a thousand redlined links to Fish and wildlife areas, along with the rest, that should keep everybody busy for some time! See you around and thanks again!--MONGO 01:26, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Improvement to my user page
Thanks for the improvement to my user page with the Babel template. It's appreciated. And, again, thanks for your input regarding the naming of the rc template. --Elliskev 15:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

MONGO RfA
Well, I really do appreciate your support on my RfA! I'll make sure you know your choice was a good one. I've been keeping busy on the project, adding the templates, up to 5 a day, as time permits. I had trouble finding the creation date for George Washington and Jefferson National Forests so I have may have to write them and ask...bit I like to be throuogh. Anyway, let me know if there is anything I can do for you as I'll be happy to do all I can!--MONGO 04:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure I get that destination thing...I'll have to look over that stuff again...hope I didn't mess anything up. Why didn't I take the time to call the forest...good idea and thanks for that. I try to do a few N.P.'s a week since I had gone around and put that old infobox in all of them, I should be the one having to redo them...I guess I need ot follow the format on the destination as you do it to ensure I don't mess them up again. I may have a couple of others that also may want to help out with the new template getting it on all the pages and what not...thanks again!--MONGO 01:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I see what I did ...I'll have to go and fix the ones I messed up...thanks for the info and have yourself a fine Turkey Day as well!--MONGO 03:24, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

On the Catholic Church of Wikipedia
As you have described yourself as a Catholic, I thought I would alert you as a co-religionist to your opportunity to delete the particularly offensive article, Catholic Church of Wikipedia.--Thomas Aquinas 21:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree this deserves to be deleted -- as much for being plain unencyclopediatic as for being an aparent mockery of the externals of a serious belief system. While I support free speech -- Wikipedia was never intended as a such a forum. I noticed that the VfD was to keep, and has since been moved to a user page.  If a VfD comes up again, and I hear about it, I shall weigh in. &mdash;  Eoghanacht  talk 21:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

A Message to Pro-Life Wikipedians
The section "Foetal Pain" (Fetal Pain) has been deleted from the Abortion article. Could you help restore it? If you would like to see what was deleted, go to my talk page, scroll to "Fetal Pain," and click the provided link.--Thomas Aquinas 22:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Map of South Africa
Any idea where User:Papayoung and you got ther map for the U.S. and Australia that are used in the infobox...I got a guy from South Africa who may want to start doing articles from his country, but he'll need an image of that country that has the same appearance as the other two...you get my drift I'm sure. Any suggestions would be helpful! I already usertalked to papayoung but no response from him yet.--MONGO 20:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Let me post a request in the map wikipriject and see what they come up with, though yours may work fine I'm sure. Thanks for geting back to me. I almost completed redoing the National Parks with the new infobox...about 10 left I think.--MONGO 02:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, I think I got all the National Parks...that almost became tedious...some of them really need a lot more info as I'm sure you're aware. Anyway, if you stuble on some I did and the locator dot on the map is off, it's because I was using some crummy setting on the computer I have at work to do it and I may be off somewhat. Keep me posted.--MONGO 08:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Template disclaimers
I think we could leave in the disclaimer that the template has ended..not that this matters. There may be a bug in the system or the disclaimers are formatted incorrectly as that white space shouldn't be showing up. Anyhoo, good work!--MONGO 22:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh no, I agree that they do create an ugly white space....I was just mentioning that the bottom disclaimer, right above the article text, doesn't seem to be messing anything up. But, in most cases, contributors to the articles will see that there is a template and will not mess with it so the disclaimers probably serve no purpose...so delete away!--MONGO 22:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Floyd
Thanks for your work on Floyd Collins. I used to be a fairly active caver, and have long been interested in Floyd's story. Last year I took my family and visited Mammoth Cave for the first time. We saw a park service presentation on Floyd Collins and saw Sand Cave. I had to read Trapped when we got back.

Your recent edit notes make it sound like you have a copy of the book? I see you've done some work on the part about the burials. Is the sequence there complete and accurate now? Also, something really should be said about the rescue efforts themselves, about the army's role, and about the fraud inquest held in Cave City. I'd borrowed the book from the library over a year ago and don't recall too many of the details about those aspects. -- Kbh3rd 03:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Tequesta merge
You proposed a merge of Tequestas into Tequesta two months ago. I seem to be the only editor to respond to the proposal. I've been expanding the Tequesta article. If you have no objections, I'll just go ahead and do the merge. --  Dalbury ( Talk )  00:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Punctuation
Hi Eoghanacht - no, punctuation always goes outside quotes, unless the punctuation is part of the quotation (e.g. "He said this. Then he said that."). It's in the wiki manual of style somewhere. PS while I'm on - on the Christmas tree page, I was reverting an IP number who'd messed up the species list; I've just found in doing so it appears I inadvertently (no idea how this happened - it wasn't intended!) removed the pic you'd added; I'll put it back, if I have time tonight or else 1st thing tomorrow unless you can get in first. Was also thinking the National Christmas Tree should perhaps be at United States National Christmas Tree as other countries might also have National Christmas Trees - MPF 01:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks; BTW, no problem over draft/draught, that's just a US/UK difference (so therefore allowed within the usual guidelines over US/UK spelling. I'll have a look on commons for Blue Spruce pics, I think there may be one or two there - MPF 16:38, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Proofread
I am working hard on trying to get Shoshone National Forest up to FA status. I have added substantially over the past couple of days and will also expand the biology, tourism, and recreation sections. Any imput would be appreciated, including any editing you feel it needs and or helpful suggestions. No obligation of course, but trying to get some dialogue on the talk page going and what not without submitting it to peer review and have a bunch of style mechanics rip it apart and end up losing valuable data. Have a looksie if you want as your assistance would be valuable to me!--MONGO 12:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, I finished remove the disclaimers that were creating whitespots at the top of the articles from where you stopped in the National Park list.--MONGO 10:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the look...it will be a few weeks yet before it's done, so pop in and add whatever you free is pertinent.--MONGO 06:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Pro-life celebrities category up for deletion
Hi, I see that you are listed as a Roman Catholic Wikipedian, well the Pro-life celebrities category is up for deletion. Category:Pro-life celebrities I think this is an interesting and worth while category. Afterall not all celebrities are pro-abortion. Dwain 02:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Fort Raleigh National Historic Site
Don't sell yourself short; out of the box this article ain't no stub :-) --malber 17:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)