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Talk:John Clark (actor)
I won't blame you if you decide not to come within ten feet of this, but we have an issue here with an editor who is the subject of a BLP and wants to be able to add his own original research to the article on himself. He seems to feel that part of the problem he is having is that most (possibly all) of the people who disagree with him are men, and that if there were any women commenting they would agree with him. As both a woman and a very experienced Wikipedian with an almost absurd amount of patience for people who refuse to get the point, your voice might be helpful in resolving this. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a browse, but that looks like it's going to involve more time than I'm likely to spend on Wikipedia now that it's National Novel Writing Month. Gotta hit my 2000 words a day, you know. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hey, did you know we're all homophobes here, and some noob's gonna tell on us? ==

He/she's gonna report us to the Washington Post and Newsweek and ABC News and Anderson Cooper at CNN and The Ellen Degeneres Show and GLAAD and... and... and... 'cuz we're a bunch of mean ol' poopy-pants bigots (for demanding proper citations on a BLP when everybody knows it's truuuuuuueee!). -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:17, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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SyberGod

 * My reading of the situation was that this was someone who really, really needed to have a much better idea of the basics of editing before being unblocked, because he'd be quite likely to be blocked again immediately going out with such a poor understanding of the site. But I don't mind a bit that someone else disagreed and unblocked him, and I'll be delighted to be wrong. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
The "What a decent human being you are" barnstar (still under developement)

Having had a week or two to reflect on our brief interaction about User:SyberGod, I'd like 2 minutes of your time to explain, apologize, and thank you. I guess we all view reality through our own filters, and those filters tend to reinforce the prejudices that created them in the first place. My own particular filter these days is the feeling that many admins, and many long-term non-admins as well, treat well-meaning, and potentially educatable, new editors in a very aggressive and patronizing way, driving them off instead of trying to nudge them in the right direction, and using the block button as a first, rather than a last, resort. That belief has been growing for the last few months, to the point where WP is so far from what I think it should be that I don't enjoy it as much as I used to, and have scaled back my participation. I'm not changing, nor apologizing for, that belief.

However, when I saw what was happening at User talk:SyberGod, viewing it through this filter, it was simpler to tar everyone with that brush. Plus, righteous indignation is always fun. In the process, I called out your unblock decline as part of that pattern. Looking back again at your decline, I'm struck by how wrong I was about it. I would not have declined that myself (I wouldn't have blocked in the first place), but you were the opposite of aggressive and patronizing. Had I not been so set on seeing what I wanted to see, I might have noticed that. I'm sorry.

Also important to me was your response above, which I noticed here only a day or two ago. That sort of graciousness in the face of rather unfair sniping is adminning at it's best. I'm usually a big believer in de-escalation, and it is good to see it done so deftly to me when I'm being a dick.

So, cheers, sorry, and thanks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Aw, thanks! I do try to be nice, when I can... I wouldn't have indeffed that account, either, but I didn't like to unblock it when there was so little sign that I wouldn't have to re-block it tomorrow. I was sort of hoping he would be inspired to look up the rules and explain what he was going to differently a little more clearly.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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Edilyan
Hi. I don't want  to  dampen your enthusiasm for new page patrolling -  it's a very  important task. However, have declined your CSD for Edilyan. Two minutes is a tad to  quick  to  tag  a new article, and several  sources were found by  two  other editors (including  me) within  seconds. I don't think  you  would have had time to  do  a thorough  WP:BEFORE in  that  time. Take your time, there's no race :)--Kudpung (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not speedy-tag that article; I just prodded it. It would not have been a candidate for speedy deletion.  However, I acknowledge that I was wrong in thinking that it was a hoax; I was looking at google news for him, and didn't check google books for the book sources that others found. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec 3)Yes, sorry, I meant PROD. Actually, I found 2 sources in a straight Google search. Never mind - I've made the same kind of booboo myself in the past, it happens :) --Kudpung (talk) 20:51, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it was the  word hoax staring  at  me that  distracted my  attention into  thinking  it  was a G3. And apologies again for my  patronising  tone - because of my  error, I thought  I  had an over enthusiast newb on board :) --Kudpung (talk) 20:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I embrace my inner n00b. :)  (And on days when I act like an over-enthusiastic n00b, I sort of deserve to be treated like one...) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Block evasion
Nbaka is a joke is attempting block evasion, but a SPI admin believes no conditions apply to creation of Basil Rock. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 23:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, she does not appear to have changed her editing habits very much, does she? I've opened a discussion at WP:ANI to get a few more eyes and a fresh brain to look at the situation. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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Block templates
Good morning FisherQueen! Would you happen to know of a template encoder who could spin up a template that would leave a message like this one based on the time of day? I found it very amusing. Hope you have a wonderful day, NW ( Talk ) 14:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You may find some of her other templates to be amusing as well. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly, my knowledge of template coding is astonishingly rudimentary, and every template I've made, I've stolen from others and edited. I'm afraid that text had to be crafted by hand, at enormous cost of time and effort.  :)  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Carbine unblock request
Hi FisherQueen. Regarding Carbine's unblock requests, he has since elaborated on why he's changed since the block. His explanation, that he was a teenager then and twenty now, is something that I would believe leads to change generally, although I am not certain in this case that he has really changed. Perusing his various confirmed and suspected socks' contribs, I see a large history of vandalism. None of it is hidden, but some of it is silly personal attacks and incivility. On the other hand, it has been four years. ArbCom doesn't do more than one year bans in most cases. What I would like to do is offer him the traditional second chance, with significant improvements to an article required for an unblock. I'd then like to unblock him on a probationary basis. The blocking admins are all inactive, so I'm asking you for a second opinion.--Chaser (talk) 14:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Teenagers do grow up. If you want to give him a second chance, I'll cheer you on.  'Go, personal growth!  Rah!' -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD
I apologise, I didn't consider your comments to be biting, and I ensure you that wasn't the implication. I understand your point, and have withdrawn the keep.--res Laozi speak 23:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. And you are still welcome to think the article should be kept, if you like, even if the Google books thing didn't work out for you very well.  There may well be good reasons for keeping it, and I've been wrong before.  Once.  In 1999, in June.  It was a Thursday. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

D-Pryde
I just want to know why my page, D-Pryde (rapper), was deleted. Eklxtreme (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[User:Eklxtreme]]


 * -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Where do I give you the sources? Eklxtreme (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Eklxtreme
 * You can put the links right here. Remember, no blogs, no Facebook, no band web sites or label PR, just independent published sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for another chance, I'll return with the links soon. Eklxtreme (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)Eklxtreme

http://www.channelapa.com/2010/08/d-pryde-signs-with-mars-music-group.html ,   http://www.marsmg.com/. I'm not exactly sure I can find sources of Mars Music Group, since it is a very small record company. Also, how do I find sources of an internet rapper if I can't use blogs/facebook? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eklxtreme (talk • contribs) 23:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's one source; all you need is two more. Don't worry; if he is a notable rapper, he has certainly been the subject of articles and reviews in a variety of sources, including music magazines.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Here is a video from D-Pryde, though it isn't a reliable source, you can see the Mars Music Group label come in the beginning of the video, and DJ Suss One, a DJ from Power 105.1 is in it. DJ Suss One plays D-Pryde's music on Power 105.1. Also, in the beginning of the video, it says 'Directed By: Shareif Ziyadat', which is a professional photographer. Would that be good proof? Eklxtreme (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)User:Eklxtreme
 * Did you misunderstand? A notable musician is the subject of articles in published sources.  If this person is not a notable musician, just say, 'This is not a notable musician,' and stop wasting your evening on Wikipedia trying to write about him.  If he is, just put two more magazine or newspaper article links here. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Alright...sorry, because I thought that the fact that a radio DJ that plays his music on the radio, and a celebrity photographer that filmed his video would count. Here's a link http://www.philippinereporter.com/2010/08/27/filipinos-making-waves-festival-2010/ , and the first picture shows D-Pryde and he is titled, 'rapper'.
 * That's the photo- is there an article about him? The point of the articles is to confirm the information in the article; there's no information in the photo. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That picture's caption noted him, though. Also, would a poster count as a reliable source? Because there is a poster about a Filipino event where D-Pryde was and it lists him as a performer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eklxtreme (talk • contribs) 00:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to bed. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you please take me seriously? I gave you one good source, I listed all the information on the page which is now deleted, and i even gave his discography. I wouldn't spend that much time listing all the songs from his mixtape if he was an imaginary person Anyways, there are other unsigned people on Wikipedia, so why do you need me to prove that Mars Music Group exists? It's a somewhat new and very small record label. Eklxtreme (talk) 01:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good morning. Why are you asking me to take you seriously?  I have done so.  I offered to undelete the article if you give me three good sources.  You've given me one, then a bunch of other stuff that aren't good sources, leading me to think that no more sources exist, and that D-Pryde probably doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria at this time.  Trust me, when he's a notable musician, you won't have to search that hard for reviews of his music.  I have never asked you to prove that Mars Music Group exists.  I did say that I couldn't tell that Mars Music Group was notable.  It is important that you understand the difference between showing that a thing exists, and showing that it is notable, because you are the one trying to show that D-Pryde is notable- not that he exists.  You have actually read the notability criteria, haven't you?  I've linked to them for you an enormous number of times.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. That's from the notability criteria. That means, if I show you a flyer of his performance dates, then will it count? Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. That's also in the notability criteria, so showing proof of him on the radio counts right? Eklxtreme (talk) 22:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are quoting the list of things that do not establish notability.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not, go check yourself at Criteria for musicians and ensembles, number 1 and 11. Eklxtreme (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are quoting the list of things that do not establish notability from number 1. Note the word except before your quote. Yes, if the artist is in regular rotation on a major radio network that would be a claim to notability.  My own offer was to undelete based on 3 articles about the subject.  If you want to go for the finer points of claiming notability, you are welcome to present your case at deletion review.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:28, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, well number 11 still counts, right? Eklxtreme (talk) 02:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just put the link to the article about the song that's in regular rotation on a major radio network here. It isn't possible for me to tell you what I think about the source you've found, because you haven't shared it with me yet. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:34, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that a radio network is not the same thing as a radio station. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 02:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

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Unblock request
We have been discussing it for 2y4m. Trying to figureout how he got fingered and by what 3rd party. I am unsure of all the emails he has sent but there have been several from both of us. Then I figured to go with the direct route. Kittybrewster &#9742;  02:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Hi there, I stole a copy of one of your templates and posted it at User:Sven Manguard/Fun and Interesting. If you're wondering how it happened, or are just in the mood for a smile, feel free to head on over there. Cheers, Sven Manguard  Talk  23:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, my templates are your templates. Enjoy. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 00:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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