User:Francis Schonken/SlimVirgin RfC

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 * SlimVirgin refuses discussion about policy changes to WP:V.

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 * After a series of edits on Verifiability, authored by SlimVirgin, and about which consensus hasn't been established yet (see Wikipedia talk:Verifiability for overview), SlimVirgin refuses further discussion with me: "I can't argue with you about this anymore"

Evidence of disputed behavior
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 * An overview of the diffs showing that the "Self-published sources in articles about themselves" section of WP:V (and predecessor and derivatives) are exclusively authored by SlimVirgin, was drafted on the WP:V talk page by Francis: 23:44, 24 June 2006
 * SlimVirgin asks for clarification: 23:51, 24 June 2006
 * Clarification given by Francis: 23:59, 24 June 2006
 * SlimVirgin's next edit contains "I can't argue with you about this anymore" 00:11, 25 June 2006
 * ...after which SlimVirgin continues reverting the WP:V policy page: 00:13, 25 June 2006

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 * How to create policy

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 * --Francis Schonken 08:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

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 * "at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed". And only Francis has signed. So no RfC. Yandman 14:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Slim Hasn't commented here yet, but I will. I've found Slim's use of policy and policy discussion pages to be patient, clear, non-confrontive and very productive.  Policy is our most important foundation, without stable policy we simply cannot produce quality.  Slim responds in sensible ways and works around confrontational issues.  If Francis Schonken finds he cannot communicate with her about an issue, or if he finds that she cannot communicate with him about an issue, I would say the thing to do is to communicate with or through a disinterested third party.  Of course some individuals (myself included) have difficulties communicating with some other individuals.  I don't know a way around this element of human nature, but Slim's history of non-confrontational handling of policy is quite good, whereas I've found Francis Schonken to be a little more disputitive than is really necessary for the issue at hand. Terryeo 17:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC) (Consensus or assimilation, make your decision today !)

I have not observed SlimVirgin or FrancisSchonken to be confrontational. But, I do know of a problem user who seems to stir up problems wherever he appears. This same user has a history of difficulties in communicating with other users and engages in a lot of false PR in an attempt to manipulate Wikipedia policy.--Fahrenheit451 03:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This RfC would need the information presented that 2 editors (besides the involved parties) had attempted to resolve the dispute which Francis raises. Why do you introduce another subject? User:Fahrenheit451?  How does your informational contribution imply that effort ? Terryeo 03:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * {The instruction is slightly confusing. I don't really understand the procedure regarding endorsement. I hope I'm doing it right. Let me know I got something wrong. I will try to fix it.} Anyway, I'm currently having an edit dispute with SlimVirgin in unrelated article. And I'm having a similar problem with SlimVirgin in regard to a photograph of caged monkey placed in the intro. She revert without participating in the debate, which, IMO, is not civil and counter to the spirit of this site. I'm fine with opposing arguments. What I can't stand is edit without argument. Vapour
 * She posts about that issue on the talk page here and in at least 3 other posts to that page. She speaks of the appropriate policy and its reasoning in a civil manner.  She uses, "with respect, you've understod it" which is certainly civil.  It is possible I misunderstand what this is about.  A first glance at the situation tells me that discussion is taking place on the article's discussion page.  User:SlimVirgin is discussing on the discussion page.  And, other users have made comments in line with Slim's statements.  It looks to me like there is no issue for an RfC. Terryeo 14:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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