User:Gabewallace/sandbox

 Will and Grace  (Will & Grace)
 * I plan to add things on the cultural impact and cultural response of Will and Grace, both the original and the revival. I want to find things that show how gay people and the LGBTQ+ community responded to the show versus the heterosexual reaction.
 * http://deadline.com/2018/03/will-grace-revival-renewed-season-3-nbc-season-2-expanded-18-episodes-1202339735/
 * https://www.romper.com/p/how-did-the-original-will-grace-finale-end-fans-didnt-love-the-final-season-2443854
 * https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/27/16370010/new-will-and-grace-season-9-review


 * Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? Yes, everything is relevant to the topic, although it is much too long and redundant in some parts. It's a little too detailed.
 * Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? It seems to be more positive and focuses on the success and cultural impact of the show, like the awards and nominations it won and the different institutions that acknowledged its success.
 * Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? I would like to hear more about how it was criticized for reinforcing stereotypes that were negative to the LGBTQ community in the article.
 * Check a few citations. Do the links work? Does the source support the claims in the article? Yes, they do.
 * Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference? Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted? Yes, the references all worked and were reliable, they were heavily from websites or organizations related to TV and awards, so it seems pretty neutral.
 * Is any information out of date? Is anything missing that could be added? The show ran from the late 90s to early 2000s, so the information should be appropriately out of date. However, the information on the renewal needs to continue to be updated and added.
 * Check out the Talk page of the article. What kinds of conversations, if any, are going on behind the scenes about how to represent this topic? There were conversations (and follow up edits) to deal with some of the information being to rambly or irrelevant. The creator did some of the edits following.
 * How is the article rated? Is it a part of any WikiProjects? It's in projects of American comedy, LGBT studies, television, and fictional characters, and a B-class rating for all.
 * How does the way Wikipedia discusses this topic differ from the way we've talked about it in class? This shows a mostly positive spin towards the LGBTQ community and focused less on the discrimination that the community and show faced as a result.

DRAFT:

Critical response:

A lot of people have had strong feelings about how the original series ended, with a finale that seemed to leave a sour taste in the loyal viewers' mouths. However, the revival clearly addressed the finale and stepped past it in order to make room for fresh writing, doing so in a way that picks up where the show left off 11 years ago- sort of. There is a strong effort on behalf of NBC to keep that original magic- “It’s literally the old show,” NBC Entertainment chair Bob Greenblatt says. The magic on-and-off stage chemistry of Will and Grace's main four characters certainly has been rekindled, and the original writers of the show being on the show has certainly helped.

Ratings: The show has been renewed for a season 10 to air in Fall 2018, and a season 11 in Fall 2019.

Reviews: Will and Grace undoubtedly helped to pave the way for diversity, specifically with the LGBTQ+ community, to the world of TV. “[When Will & Grace premiered], LGBTQ representation in the media was largely abysmal, both in quantity and quality,” says Sarah Kate Ellis, president and CEO of GLAAD. “To have one of the major networks airing a show like this in primetime and standing behind it with advertising dollars was very important in sending a message to the country that LGBTQ stories are valid, important, and worth telling .”

But that does not leave the show with a clean reputation. The show regularly pushed stereotypes that have only become less well recieved- like Jack's over-the-top "flamboyant" nature and jokes about how gay men were equivalent to women. The crew is not oblivious to this either, with one of the writers saying that "the most un-P.C. things has always been part of what makes the show funny, so I’m hoping we get away with it. ” This response has not been popular with some viewers. Vice editor Pilot Viruet responded to this, saying that “I'm not mad they're making fun of lesbians, I'm mad they're doing it without including lesbian characters that are named and aren't just the butt of jokes. It's not that it's un-PC ... it's that they think that's the problem, not their lack of intersectionality.”

The show, old and new, has also been criticized for having a "wealthy white gay" stereotype perpetuated, and i-d VICE 's Jake Hall states why this is a harmful stereotype- "LGBTQ people have always been at disproportionate risk of falling into poverty. Contrary to popular belief, we don’t all strut around Manhattan drinking martinis and agonising over Versace; instead, plenty of us are struggling due to homelessness, discrimination and violence ." And despite sex being a popular plot topic and subject among the characters, the show is criticized for its lack of portrayal of queer sex, with Will often having a dormant sex life and innuendos or safe chest grabbing being the raunchiest the show goes. Ironically, gay kisses are sparse on the show, much less more than that. So normalization of LGBTQ sex and affection on Will and Grace leave something to be desired.