User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa/DYK mentoring

This user subpage is being used to mentor User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa on the process of selecting DYK hooks.

OK. I think i know all the rules now. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk | Sign 12:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Test for Phase 1: rules
1. What’s the minimum number of characters (letters) that a DYK article need to have?

2. Do you have any programs installed on your computer that you could use to count the number of characters in an article, and what is it?

3. What types of things do you not count towards the minimum total number of characters?

4. How many acceptable characters do you count in these DYK articles that I was involved with Peshtigo Fire Museum, Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive, 1979 Daytona 500, and Scott Bloomquist; What things did you not use in each of these articles to calculate the total?

5. How old can a new article be before it is too old for DYK?

6. What is the procedure if the article is old but it got expanded a lot?

7. What do you do if the article is marked as a stub and it has 3000 characters?

8. What do you do if the DYK fact is not mentioned in the article?

9. What do you do if the article’s DYK fact is not marked with an inline citation?

10. What’s the largest number of characters in a DYK hook?

11. Should you pick your own DYK hooks for putting in the next update?

12. How often do the DYK hooks get updated, and who can do the updating?

13. Name 2 parts of updating you can do.

14. Have you ever written an article that was featured on DYK? Do you have any articles that might currently meet the criteria?

I might have more questions depending on how these question go.  Royal broil  03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

15. More practice articles from question 4: Holman Moody, 1992 Hooters 500, National Dirt Late Model Hall of Fame

16. Pretend that the following articles meet the date criteria: The Sheboygan Press, Green Bay Packers cheerleaders, Carl Kiekhaefer, Wisconsin Technical College System, Do they pass or fail the rest of the DYK criteria?

17. Pretend that the following hooks were from articles that met the date criteria. Why would you accept, ask for more information, or reject the hooks?

a) ... that Tilleda pond hosts ice races in January and February?

b) ... that Spaceport Sheboygan would become the only spaceport in the Midwestern United States if it gets developed?

c) ... that Holy Hill get 300,000 visitors per year?

d) ... that NASCAR official Robin Pemberton decided against his brother's team when he decided the winner of the 2007 Daytona 500?

e) ... that the Little House Wayside contains a fireplace, loft, and two bedrooms?

f) ... that Experimental Aircraft Association members are entitled to tour the EAA AirVenture Museum without having to pay a fee, and other tourists at the museum can choose self-guided tours, group tours, or virtual tours?

Answers
1. 1500
 * Correct

2. Not that i know of, but i have found an online one at
 * It looks like a good source

3. Infoboxes, tables, lists, references and categories
 * Correct

4. (Before i work this out, do you include wiki formatting in the character count?)
 * No, only printed out characters
 * What about punctuation? The following numbers include punctuation.
 * Peshtigo Fire Museum = 2214
 * Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive = 2376
 * 1979 Daytona 500 = 5033
 * Scott Bloomquist = 7231
 * I came up with the following answers, and punctuation does count. We should be within a few dozen characters because measuring isn't exact.
 * 2247 (so we got the same answer)
 * 2477 or 2321 without the table of contents (so we got the same answer!)
 * 4484 (don't count the race results list)
 * 6524 (don't count that 928 character large quote)
 * The last 2 were trick questions to see if you were checking for lists or quotes. I'll have to follow up with a few more counting questions. It's okay to include a short quote if it's done inline and not in a quote box.  Royal broil  03:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

5. 5 days
 * Correct

6. If it has been expanded 5 fold then it is acceptable.
 * Correct. How do you figure out what date to list it under?
 * I don't understand this question? Also what classes as expanding 5 fold? Expanding five fold in five days/since marked as stub... etc?

7. It doesn't matter how long it is if it is a stub it can't be accepted.
 * Wrong. If it's over 1500 characters, then it automatically isn't a stub under the stub rules. You should remove the stub template and keep checking to see if it meets the DYK criteria.

8. It has to be, so i wouldn't accept it.
 * Correct

9. It must have an inline citation, so i wouldn't accept it.
 * Correct. If you feel real generous, you look to find a reliable source yourself. Most of us don't.

10. 200 normally, but i read some where that 400 would be occasionally accepted.
 * 200 is the absolute maximum, not 400. You might let in 201 or 202 if you feel generous, or you could reword if you can do it without changing the meaning at all. It is also okay to do very minor rewording if your sure that it doesn't lose any meaning. Be very careful with rewording.

11. You can but it is frowned on. It's cheating.
 * I would say that you shouldn't, period.

12. 4 times a day. Administrators.
 * Actually it's supposed to be updated every 6 hours, but it doesn't always work out that way. Administrators is correct.

13. Make suggestions, format them.
 * True, but I was thinking of 2 other things. Can you think of any more correct answers?

14. No, No
 * OK, I didn't know where you were at with respect to Did You Know. Writing some DYK articles will be part of your study because the best way to identify DYK articles is to write some yourself. Please think about some topics. I think that you have some articles in your sandbox that you haven't posted into mainspace, which hopefully will work. Did You Know that you first start counting the date from the date that it was posted in mainspace? Time in someones sandbox doesn't count.  Royal broil 
 * Okay. I will try to find a DYK in one of my articles, but i doubt it will be interesting.
 * Cool, but that's the next part of the lesson. I can help you with the hooks, but after I'll help you improve those articles. But first you still have to completely answer questions 4 and 13.  Royal broil  04:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

15. Holman Moody = 4865 1992 Hooters 500 = 4450 National Dirt Late Model Hall of Fame = 707
 * Also, won't the character count change each time it is edited? When do you count it (i.e. the most recent version / after existing for 5 days etc) ? Also my counter counts spaces, is that correct?
 * Correct, it changes each time it is edited. You count the current version and you count spaces, periods, commas and all other punctuation. I count Holman Moody: 4843, 1992 Hooters 500: 4556, and National Dirt Late Model Hall of Fame: 703. I feel a lot more comfortable with your counting now.  Royal broil  01:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

16. The Sheboygan Press = No, less than 1500 characters

Green Bay Packers cheerleaders = Pass

Carl Kiekhaefer = Pass

Wisconsin Technical College System = No references so wouldn't pass

17. a) Reject, needs a reference, article is a stub, not 1500 characters

b) Reject, not referenced

c) Accept

d) Accept

e) Reject, article is a stub, not 1500 characters

f) Reject, to many characters
 * On 17f, you should make a comment that the hook has too many characters, but that the article and fact look good (specifically the length is good, article is referenced, etc). Usually some other contributor will propose an alternative shorter hook (often labeled ALT) and it will get featured on DYK! You can propose alt hooks. You missed Wisconsin Technical College System on question 16. That's an important question. Please let me the things that are wrong with that article so we move on to the next stage of training.  Royal broil  13:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)