User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/review/talk-Uighur guest house, Pakistan

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Could you please explain...
I do not see the reason why Uighur guest house, Pakistan should redirect to Al-Qaeda safe house. Are there reliable secondary sources that would verify this? IQinn (talk) 01:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Iqinn, first, I have told you the reasons I consider the OARDEC allegation memos to fully comply with the wikipedia definition of a secondary source. You  have repeatedly told me you consider them primary sources, not secondary sources.  But I can't remember you once offering a meaningful, substantive, policy-based explanation as to why you don't agree with my reasoning.


 * I continue to believe you have an obligation to do so.


 * Recently, it seems to me that you merely claimed that other contributors had offered me convincing rebuttals of my points. However you didn't offer me a single diff to those rebuttals you assert should have convinced me.


 * Please don't ask me to be convinced by arguments you haven't made, haven't quoted, and to which you haven't provided any diffs.


 * Do other references explain this term? google scholar search of safehouse OR guesthouse OR "safe house" OR "guest house" Guantanamo Taliban OR "al Qaeda" OR "al Qaida"


 * I continue to be concerned that your challenges to this material is a sign of a lack of full understanding of WP:VER. It seems to me that you aren't disputing that references confirm that over one hundred Guantanamo captives had their continued detention justified, in part, based on allegations they had stayed in a suspect safe house or guest house.  I don't believe you are disputing that the Guantanamo intelligence analysts conflate all suspect safe houses and guest houses as if they were run by al Qaida or the Taliban.


 * It continues to seem to me that what you are really disputing is whether these assertions are reliable.


 * And I am concerned this is a serious misunderstanding of our policies. What we personally consider true, or reliable, is irrelevant.  What matters is what is verifiable.  Geo Swan (talk) 06:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Instead of an ad hominum attack against a good faith contributor and filibustering and talk as if some sources would be reliable you may provide us first with detailed references and preferable quotes of sources that draw a sufficient connection between "Uighur guest house, Pakistan" and Al-Qaeda.


 * Personal opinions and POV are not enough.


 * Sufficient references and quotes please from reliable sources - secondary and tertiary sources are preferred. Anyway please provide us with any references or sources that draw a sufficient connection between "Uighur guest house, Pakistan" and Al-Qaeda. We still have the time then to discuss in detail if they are reliable or sufficient. You have not offered us any detailed references or quotes actually no references at all, please do so. IQinn (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I tagged the redirect for speedy deletion as there are no sources at all that show that this Uighur guest house in Pakistan is connected to Al-Qaeda. Exceptional claims need exceptional sources and here there are no references at all. IQinn (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)