User:Gerry D/archive10


 * Welcome to my talk page. See the old stuff here in that cool little filing cabinet

NHL updates
I am trudging my way through the Pennsylvania National Historic Landmarks updating the infoboxes (trying to get all this done by July 4th to be patriotic and hopefully not kill myself in the process ;-) ). Anyway if I flub up on something you watch, let me know (or fix it), please. Thanks, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never tried AutoWikiBrowser but it seems useful for repetitive tasks. Agree a bot would help. Thanks for keeping an eye on the NHLs. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well - a bot wouldn't find the other problems like you do, keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Map help
OK, I will look at it next. The name means seed roll in German (a roll with seeds on it) Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I modified the map page on Commons to indicate the map you used was Ram-Man's modification of a Census map and added a link to that alternate version. I would change all the other map descriptions to also indicate this to avoid more of these friendly reminders ;-). Korn means grain or seed (as the English word "corn" can too) so Körner is the plural = seeds. Brötchen is little bread or a roll. Not sure why I am in Gemran lesson mode today. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the other version to all of the maps on Commons - figured that way it made the whole derivation clear. Have agood Fourth! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A possibly familiar picture - happy Fourth! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, I should be able to upload more pics over the next few days Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will try and fix the Gouldsboro dam stuff over the next day or so - saw the edit summary Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for moving the dam stuff around in Gouldsboro State Park - does it look OK otherwise? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, it is a good source - history, visitation, dam too. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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State Park pictures
I went up to French Creek about two weeks ago and took a bunch of wildflower pictures, but afterward I realized I didn't have a good overall photo of the park. I went up there with the Appies today and fixed that. I also have some pictures of Hopewell I may upload from the first trip. I may go on another AMC trip to Hickory Run next weekend; are there any parks in SE PA you particularly desire photos for? Choess (talk) 00:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the Hickory Run trip was nixed due to car trouble (don't ask) but the Grundsau of Good Feeling has brought you an image of Marsh Creek State Park and added it to the article. Remember: keep your limbs, remove the tree's. Choess (talk) 02:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Pics
I uploaded the rest of the pics I have of R. B. Winter State Park on Commons. Also uploaded two new pics of the Market Street Bridge in Williamsport and South WIlliamsport, what do you think of this for a South WIlliamsport panorama? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it and I see you have already added it to the South Williamsport article. I have one looking north too (of Williamsport), but it is better of the bridge and the single point urban interchange than it is of the city beyond. I have not cropped or uploaded it yet. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * PS Also glad you like the wheelbarrows - I got a nice shot of the stone picnic table in the background there, but it has a trash dumpster and cars in the background, so I did not upload it. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of your work on removing quotes - what a pain. The Colton Point / Leonard Harrison map is slow but I am working on it. There is an odd shaped tract of private land in CPSP I need to draw by hand and I have to figure how to redo the southern border which is wrong in the Census base map. Got some pics of Crunchy Chips Former SP today - very cool place even if half the hemlocks are dead or dying from the wooly adelgid Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There were no signs of those chips there, or any other people, except for a DCNR truck that went by on the road. I know the pope is Catholic, not sure of the safety of groundhogs in NAs - might be crushed by a falling hemlock. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know trees are harvested in the state forests but in a Natural Area they seem to be left where they fall. The ones that fell across the path were sawed in two so hikers could get by. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I checked the Recent Changes for Westmoreland, saw that you did the cities and skipped to a different county. I should be getting around to Greene sometime in the next few days. Greene appears to be the last county after Westmoreland before Allegheny is up. By the way I stumbled across the border while doing a CDP and an unicorporated community, so now there's two less for you do. --​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 23:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll hold off on Allegheny for now. It'll give me a chance to maybe start something new. Also, if we each are doing parts of Allegheny, we may want to choose to use either the infobox or the geobox (for the sake of uniformity). --​​​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 23:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck with Leonard Harrison. When it comes time for Oil Creek, I'm hoping to have gotten a bunch of photos. --​​​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 11:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * All the pics are from inside the park. No pics of the train, though. I'll have to get some. --​​​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 21:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the news - I have had a busy day and had not been online much. Did manage to start to address Tony's comments, but I need to sit down and go through the whole article at some point and clean things up a bit still. Also then go back to Cogan House Covered Bridge and make it more in line with this. Formal thank spam to follow - are you up to finishing Leonard Harrison for FA soon? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will look at LHSP tomorrow. Am worn out now, thanks again, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Harrison State Park
Thanks for your work so far and moving the Grand Canyon article. I can work on it some between now and Saturday. I think the best thing would be to add to both parks when it is applicable to both, then go for FAC with Leonard Harrison first. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I have a pretty good mental picture of the History and Geology sections. I like your finds on SHippen Twp history - one says the last natives left the Gorge at the time of the Wart of 1812! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not lost, but do find it a bit daunting to add stuff to what we already have - for example Owlett says Susquehannocks lived on the plateau on either side of the gorge, and I need to add specifics on the native trail, and more Owlett stuff on the Iroquois. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely have times when I am less efficient (now being one of them, for some reason). I set out to do one thing and get caught up in 57 others first. Sigh. I can work on a hook if you want to expand YCC. I think Pine Creek Path will be my new article from Lenny H. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I got the Pine Creek Path article started and think I can get a DYK out of it, plus I can link to it in the LHSP article. It was used by natives and later by lumbermen, then was the course of the railroad and the later rail trail. Take care, I am off to bed soon, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have the trails section updated now - added some stuff from Owlett's book and the new DCNR Pine Creek Rail Trail map (Dec. 2007) I have. Is the wading across Pine Creek Section OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The CCC statue is up near the main overlook terrace. The rail trail map has some more on the trail I can add - will do so now. I like keeping it where it is as the picture next to the Trails section is from the Otter View vista. Glad wading is OK, that was the hardest for me to do. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I am done for the next few hours - also got the Native history part done I think. If it is OK, will transfer it to Colton Point too. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I thought of some more things to add and will put them on the talk pages of LH and CP. I will expand the lumber section next - Owlett has a lot on the lumber industry there. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read 60 pages of Owlett and am ready to expand the lumber section - what a sad story though. There is nothing on the National Natural Landmark or animals besides birds. Also no Geology yet. There is a lot of modern history in the DCNR Parks Spotlight too. What do you feel like working in? ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a bit still to add to Lumber - also uploaded some more pics and added Commonscat - will try to get better pix soon Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your additions look good and I have a few more things too (one fave - In 1932 a woman who had lived all her life in Wellsboro went to the park for the first time and her first reaction was to ask how long the gorge had been there!). I think we should get all the history in first, and then decide what and where to prune (for example tanneries are in twice and the log slide at LHSP is duplicated too). It might be we need to prune the first paragraph - we have so much specific info here that some of it might not be needed. We also might want to consider whether or not to include Colton Point info here, or only have it in the CPSP article (which would save some space too). I don't think we should cut yet, see how it all looks first when "done". I got some more pictures today and will upload them soon (next few days) - I am having computer issues so slower access than normal. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was a lovely day - a bit hazy though. I put the Turkey in a certain path. Speaking of which, there was a fatal accident on the Turkey Path in 2006 - I can find a reliable source, do you think it is worth a sentence in the Trails section? Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will find a Sun-Gazette ref, but here is an online article (not sure it meets WP:RS): . Too sad. I did get pics of two waterfalls - did not get all the way to the creek though. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good find - I will add it next. I have uploaded most (but not all) of the new pics. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The pics are all uploaded except for one. I am in the process of making a new panorama from the overlook, with the railings visible at either end. I may add the Otter vista view back when there is a Geology section as it shows the dissected plateau - the "mountain tops" are all the same height. Also it is a view south and the lead image is north. Agree the Flickr images are noting great, but thanks for looking. Will be fairly busy in real life this week. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The panormama is up now too - I have uploaded two versions with different software programs and am not thrilled with either. Have you seen at the bottom of the Commons upload page there is a basic upload (how it used to be - paste in the whole info template)? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for startinmg it. Owlett has a whole chapter on Geology, complete with all of the rock layers, their ages, etc. Owlett also has some more on establishing the park - I thought I might add to the current Leonard Harrison section. Start with Nessmuk, who was the first to write of the Gorge and promote conservation there, the fact that it took him 5 hours to get to the gorge from Wellsboro back then (after a 6 mile buggy ride - had to hike in through brambles), plus more stuff once the park was donated to PA - Wellsboro still ran it until after WWII. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the congrats - sorry I have not done anything yet on the park, hopefully tonight. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:36, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, I am simultaneously working on the Geology and Ecology sections and should be done in the next 4 hours at most. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Still not done, but will be offline for the next few hours (working on a map if I can). Feel free to add to whatever - does the Geology look ok here? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad it looks OK. I do lots of edits and previews without saving initially - for a long tiume I had the Geology section up with the Gorge, but thought it looked funny there. I think it is OK to have the Gorge before History as it is the defining feature of the park (just like the name is a special case at Worlds End). Agree we can ask at PR or be told at FAC to move it if needed. Although it is slow, I can see using chunks of this in Colton Point and the Gorge and Pine Creek articles. I will work more on Geology next Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Good plans all, now to win the lottery so I can do nothing but edit (and revert spam). Actually Pine Creek will be a bear - it is the largest creek in the US and three of its four main tribs (Little Pine, Babb and probably Marsh creeks) have enough to be FAs too, plus the gorge, the rail trail, the three state parks, multiple natural and wild areas, West Rim and other trails... (starts wimpering). There is a reason why Plunketts Creek is FA and Pine Creek is still start class. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have long thought that I should do a "creek of the week" (or more likely month) and get the West Branch tribs up to at least GA one by one. I started on Chillisquaqe Creek a while ago and never got that far. I might try to get the Loyalsock to FA first to practice a creek with a notable trib. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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Pennsylvania municipalities
Hello ... Thanks for the advice about the PHMC webpage on key dates for municipalities. As a matter of fact, I've been using that webpage all along. At first I cited it conscientiously, but as time wore on, as I was filling in settlement and incorporation dates in the infoboxes, I got lazy about citations.

There are some problematic municipalities: In any event, I'll fill in as many of the blanks in the infoboxes as I can for my home region, but I'll leave other parts of the state to other editors.
 * Boroughs such as Seven Springs and Callimont attained borough status after that list was created.
 * For Mount Pleasant Township, the PHMC list says it was incorporated "Before 1773." You would think that an agency of the Pennsylvania government would be able to come up with a specific year. Geez, aren't there any records on when a chunk of land officially became a township? I guess not.
 * For Duquesne, the borough's website gives different dates than the PHMC list.
 * What is meant by "settled"? Does that mean when the first isolated farmhouse was built, or when lots and streets were laid out? If we use the latter definition, what does it mean to say that a "township" was settled on a certain date?
 * For some townships, it may be impossible to say when the first settler arrived. I am getting the impression that record keeping was poor or nonexistent on the frontier in the 18th century.

My next goal is to write at least one paragraph of history for every borough/city in Allegheny and Westmoreland Counties. (For example, I wrote the history section for Monessen, my parents' hometown.) I see that you've been busy with repetitive "tidying" tasks. Drats, this Wiki stuff is addictive. How many Wiki users do you think suffer from OCD? Canadian2006 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Template
I fixed it - did a search and found it at Template:Minor league baseball in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I will see if I can fix it - I am done with PR for the night and am moving on to a certain park. Thanks for being the first on my new talk page. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. The "name =" in the template has to match the file name, otherwise when you click on the "edit" link, it tries to edit a file with the name given, not the actual file. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

arnold pa
I have removed the old glass house site please do not put it back on the property has been sold and this make my town look bad, the property has been cleaned up How long ago did you receive this picture. thank you Mayor Campbell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.199.16.66 (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lawrenceville
How can I start a discussion about Lawrenceville on its discussion page? In an encyclopedic article I feel a picture of downtown Lawrenceville would be more representative of the borough than the out of the way library. Of course I'd need to build a concensus on this and then find a picture of the beating heart of the metropolis. Amd194 (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Misc
I have actually been to Ronneburg and replied on its talk page. I added a fair use template to the Leonard Harrison image and spent a while looking for a bigger version (no look, but the Wellsboro Electric Company has the same photo tinted blue here. I think I replied to everything else - still have a few things to add to History and then Dillon's book on "Pennsylvania's Grand Canyon" has a lot on wildlife and plants plus some from Owlett I need to add. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome. I made sure the Leonard Harrison SP "Modern era" section was in chronological order, but I am not sure I like it that way. What if the arrangement were more thematic and less strictly chronological? The first three paragraphs would stay about the same but add the CCC statue dedication to the end of the third paragraph. The fourth paragraph could be all the state stuff - taking over operation, expansion, name change, new facilities in the 1960s and today. A paragraph on rail service cutbacks, ending and the rail trail. Maybe one on NNL and protected areas, one on whitewater (with two NYT quotes) and scenic river, then the 20 Must See Parks as is. Perhaps move the Nessmuk marker sentence back to the Nessmuk sentence. Not sure what to do with the 1950 NYT quote - maybe put it back in the tourism section - continued after the war. What do you think? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I expanded the lead just now - still have to do Ecology. Was going to do some history (how the forest used to be, vanished animal species) then under state Natural Areea have the current plants and animals besides birds. Then the IBA pretty much as is. Sound OK? Is the new lead OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am going to try and finish Ecology now. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have to finish Ecology, convert the foliage to prose, and finish the map. I also think I may reorganize the Modern era section in History (see above for the idea). Plus I need to scan old photos. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The PR nom is in. I will wait and see what any reviewers think of the modern era History section - when I reread it all today it did not seem so bad. It may be just moving the statue dedication date out to the CCC part and the Nessmuk marker date back to his section would also be better. I am pleased with the new old lumber photos. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad you like the pics. I have some more old pics to scan in or upload - busy in real life. I was pleased with how well the ones I scanned turned out - the originals in the book are only two or so inches tall and maybe three inches wide. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I like that one too, especially since it is actually on Pine Creek. Since you asked folks last time to do PRs, do you want me to this time? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I asked Dtbohrer, Moni3 and Jackyd101 - tried to mix it up a bit and not always ask exactly the same folks. Anyone else you want me to ask? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Moni3 will do it when she finishes an article that is nearly done, Jackyd101 is quite busy and will get to it (I said to say if it was too much and we could ask someone else). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked the Sun Gazette on microfilm for a week after the CCC statue dedication date from the source we have and found nothing. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I want to check the links and captialization, tweak the state scenic river sentence, delink the dates, and make a stub for the geology redlink. I think I can get all that done tonight, is that OK? Plus Moni3 shoudl be reviewing it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I found a better CCC statue ref in the Wellsboro paper here! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I ma done with the article - will be offline for the next 10 or so hours - feel free to nominate it. I asked User:Moni3 if she wanted to still weigh in on the PR or not, so please check my talk, the PR and her talk here before making the nom. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for nominating it. Do you think we should add that it follows the models of FAs Black Mo and Worlds End to the FAC nom? I fixed the error Michael Devore found and archived the PR so it stops transclusion at WP:PR. I also weighed in on Moni3's page. Off to PR and a copyedit I promised TonyTheTiger. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I just added it - Sandy Georgia had tweaked it (removed the duplicate nominators statement). Lots of people don't archive PRs correctly - that's why my edit count is so high ;-) Hope tomorrow is better on the drama front. I had a very nice day off wiki. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have thicker skin than that ;-) Do you want to start a Leonard Harrison article or do you want me tomorrow morning? Good night Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have a DYK hook idea for Lenny (if you want a joint DYK). You know pachyderm means thick skin, right? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have sent the email and will let you know what I hear back - my guess is they will let me know before Friday. I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know the specific date of the photo, but it they do and it is before 1923, then it will be free (I think I will have to deal with WP:OTRS then - something else to learn). Have a good day, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your FAC comments - I missed the first one until I was done replying, sorry. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't started it yet. Maybe tonight, if not tomorrow. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No change in procedure, just slow - doldrums seems the best bet. I always try to weigh in on several FACs when I have one up. If everyone did that there would be no problem, I guess. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Yes, I can see where that might be seen as a conflict of interest. I am already involved in the FAC for Crown Fountain but that has been going on for weeks. I also try to avoid asking people to weigh in - don't want to run into WP:CANVASS trouble. I need to make Lenny - still no word back from the DCNR - and have covered bridges that are close to done. Plus PR never ends. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you are working on Lenny - thanks. I am going offline for a few hours. Do know an m dash (&mdash;) is coded by &amp;mdash; and an n dash (–) is coded by &amp;ndash; ? Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) The dashes are a MOS issue. The hyphens in unit-adjectives are mostly a comprehension issue - they tie things together and make it clearer. I am calling it a night, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Bowman Field
Do you want me to see if I can get some more Bowman Field pictures? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will see what I can do. Do you have any suggestions for photos to get? Anything you want to illustrate if possible? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I copyedited Williamsport Tomahawks a bit. Not much expansion potential there. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Leonard Harrison State Park is now featured! Woohoo! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 10:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No thank you! I already sent thank spam like that above to everyone who helped with the PR and FAC - not sure if you want to do groundhogs or not? I am tweaking the Modern era per Choess' suggestion. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My reorganization is done - I moved the Nessmuk PHMC marker into the Lumber section, all the other changes are in the Modern era. Let me know what you think. I am also asking Finetooth and Choess and Ben MacDui to take a look since they supported at FAC. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked a few talk pages and do not see any Worlds End groundhogs. I think three supports is the minimum required, but we also had Ealdgyth's OK of the refs (she almost never supports or opposes) and two other comments on images that could have opposed but did not. I still was a bit surprised it went so fast. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I also am not bothered much by non-compliant hyphens or dashes, but it is an MOS issue and I will ask Brighterorange to run his script again next time before FAC. I added the maintained tag to Worlds End and will add it to Lenny next (being BOLD and all that). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for beating me to it ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I plan to work on Hillsgrove Covered Bridge next, the next bridge in the queue is Sonestown Covered Bridge, then Buttonwood Covered Bridge (which I have a DYK hook for). I do not think it will take too long to improve Hillsgrove and Sonestown. I think I can get both to FA, but like the one solo, one with you FA model, so how about Hillsgrove then Colton Point then Sonestown then? Oil Creek? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This assumes all the bridges have enough stuff for FA - one of the things to ask in PR. Rest well Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) The Geobox image looks the same as always to me. I think you can specify a width for the image - does it still give you trouble? If I will see if I can fix it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I added image sizes - any difference now? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, check one of the other state park FAs at work too - they use Geobox but not the size parameter for images. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Man, you've got good eyes! Not sure I would have noticed him there (and at that resolution I will take your word for the ID). Good spotting, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Colton Point, etc.
I got more photos of Colton Point State Park today and will try to upload them soon. Thanks for your expansion work. I went to weigh in on the Featured article candidates/White Pines Forest State Park and saw you beat me to it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I dropped Pat a note. He's on sporadically, so it may take a few days to get a response. --​​​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 03:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I added some pictures to Colton Point State Park - I have to stitch some gorge panoramas and look more closely at those. I also have to scan some old pictures - I think the first two black and white photos here can be new - first is a log drive on Pine Creek from the shore CPSP is on today, second is the Shay Locomotive at one of the overlooks with the gorge behind. Another person to ask for data would be the birth date for Maurice K. Goddard. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I was also quite pleased with the photo - the old pic of the locomtive is taken with the same general view of the gorge in the background. I am also pretty busy today and will not be on much. Did a little more on CP today. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I actually dug out my notes on Hillsgrove Covered Bridge this afternoon, although since we worked so long on Leonard and I was just at Colton Point, I am still somewhat obsessed with those too. Plus Pat's great finds on Colton inspired me. I plan to get the bridge done enough to sumbit it to PR, then work on CP and finishing up the odds and ends from Leonard Harrison SP (Leonard bio and splash dam articles, perhaps making notes in addition to the refs).
 * I also think we need to address Ben MacDui's point about the long lead sentences for the state parks before the next park FAC. I am leaning towards moving the townships to a later sentence in the lead. Many of the state park first paragraphs end with the location, so that would be a posible place for the twps (and several do not have the twps in the lead at all, as you know - Delaware Canal, Bucktail, etc.). I have also wondered if we should put the location in the article somewhere besides the infobox and lead - one place I thought of was the Nearby state parks section, as that is already all about location. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I will do a section on the Leonard Harrison talk page and ask everyone that was in the FAC to comment if interested, super busy IRL, although I got a bit of bridge work done earlier. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would keep the counties in the first sentence of the lead. I also think the twps should stay in the lead. My thought was to add a sentence or two about the location to the Nearby parks section. I will do an example later today. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

(outdent)It looks good, I was ultra busy today and am hoping to get the bridge ready to send to PR next, then I can obsess more about Colton Point. I think the lead should definitely mention the entire park is a NRHP historic district (and I agree a separate NRHP only article makes little sense). I also think there could be a CCC section - I read in Owlett or Dillon or perhaps the Spotlight that the CCC built the facilities in one year after the banner year for tourists in 1936. Apparently there was not much at the park before that - they also built the road to the park (on old lumber roads / rail grades). Off to do some PR then bridge work - thanks for the assessment. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I read the article on Clark and have a couple of OK ideas - however, I agree it would be better to see what he does in the game for a better hook idea. PR chores done, off to the bridge and then a PR review or two. Owlett has more on CP too Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the last of my recent Colton Point pictures - I wish I had one of one of the Four Mile Run waterfalls, but did not have time to hike down to any of them. I have some photos of Pine Creek within the gorge (at Darling Run, maybe 2-3 miles north of the parks) that might be good for the IBA section. What do you think of the current pictures? I did not find any last I looked on Flickr. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, glad you like them. I am assuming the fire grate is CCC built. The dog does get around (and into shots - I only took one of the Rim Trail, so had to use that one). Will try and upload the Pine Creek pics this weekend, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks - I should be able to work some more on Colton Point this week. Thanks for expanding the lead. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Clark
I started Daryll Clark today. Any help or input will be greatly appreciated. Do you have a pic? If not I could look on flickr later. I am going to work on it some more and shoot for a DYK and get on the main page. He could be there, on DYK, Saturday for the first game. Dincher (talk) 21:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice work! No pix of Clark....yet. But I've been reading some great newspaper articles on Wally Richardson and his brother William, who will start as Costal Carolina's QB on Saturday. I've bookmarked them and plan to plunder them for info shortly. —xanderer (talk) 02:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * How about DYK.... that Daryll Clark was the Penn State Nittany Lions starting quarterback for the team that let head coach Joe Paterno tie the record for all-time NCAA victories? The fact would have to be added to his article - what do you think? Ruhrfisch  <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh phooey - I see the five day limit just expired - sorry. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry - I actually thought of the hook on Sunday after reading about the game but did not realize that time was running out. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hopefully I can start to work on the Leonard Harrsion article today finally. Have a good one Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 10:44, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There is a question on the tailback hook at DYK suggestions - just saw when it helping with the update earlier. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Evan Royster
I was just tagging it so that I could mark it as patrolled. Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way. . . I'm not planning on coming right back and trying to get rid of it or anything. Movingboxes (talk) 15:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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Deep Creek Lake State Park
Back in March, you moved Deep Creek Lake, Maryland to Deep Creek Lake State Park. I'm not sure that this is correct. While the state owns the lake and shoreline, it's my understanding that the lake itself is not considered part of the State Park. The official website only references the park land (as seen on the map here). --ndc (talk) 20:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The name of the park is Deep Creek State Park. I don't see the concern here. Perhaps the paragraph could be cut out and created at Deep Creek Lake. Dincher (talk) 20:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, there's no such page and there's non-park content on the State Park page. I was asking in case it'd been deemed inappropriate for a separate Deep Creek Lake page to exist.  I'll work on content for this, then. --ndc (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Tigers hook idea
How about something like


 * DYK ... that the Williamsport Tigers minor league baseball team received both their name and grandstand seats for their stadium from the Detroit Tigers? or maybe


 * DYK ... that the Detroit Tigers gave the Williamsport Tigers not only their name, but also grandstand seats for their minor league baseball stadium that were taken from Tiger Stadium? or even


 * DYK ... that the Detroit Tigers gave the Williamsport Tigers not only their name, but also grandstand seats taken from Tiger Stadium in Detroit for their minor league baseball stadium in Williamsport, Pennsylvania?

Tweak away, have been busy in real life Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A question has been raised about the hook on WP:TDYK. You might want to check into it. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

South Renovo
Looking at Image:Renovo, Pennsylvania.jpg, the picture was taken around 6 PM. The West Branch runs pretty much east west there and the shadows are such that we have to be looking south, I think it is South Renovo. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've looked too, but I don't remember these houses. Ruhr's logic sounds good to me. Finetooth (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

well done - another DYK

 * Congratulations! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Williamsport Tigers

 * Congraqtulations again! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Bridges
Thanks for your support - I made Covered Bridges of Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties today - any ideas on how to improve it would be appreciated. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I found this with a little digging, which is probably enough detail to get another FA on Knapp's CB (eventually). Might take me a while to make a trip there and I was planning on working on Sonestown CB after Colton Point, then Buttonwood CB. Only poor Lairdsville has too little detail for FA - though even that should be capable of getting to GA. Actually Knapp's is the highest covered bridge above its creek in Pennsylvania, which sounds like a DYK hook to me ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be slow in replying - as for Fuchs, I am being interviewed by him about Peer Review for the Signpost and have been slow answering the questions. The FAC seems to be going very well so far. I realize I missed the end of the Crosscutters season and did not get pics - I will still get some more external shots of Bowman Field at some point. Sorry, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about the FA - I was away from a computer most of the day. Formal thankspam to follow soon. I have enough to get the splashdam article to start or C class and nominate it for DYK. Hopefully in the next few hours, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Southwestern Pennsylvania Photos
Hello Dincher. In response to your question of September 10 2008...

Sorry, but during an August visit to Westmoreland County, I only took a few photos. I've been concentrating on the municipalities more so than the parks. I regret I can't be more helpful. Canadian2006 (talk) 18:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hegins Twp
I was not watching it - am now. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Antlers ahoy

 * Gah, when I saw what looked like a picture of a moose, I thought this thread had something to do with Sarah Palin... :) –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660">Cyclone  18:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK check
The DYK rules say it has to be a five-fold expansion, not counting infoboxes, tables, images, and refs. The rules are here and there is a character counter there too. Just from eyeballing it, it does not look like a fiovefold expansion in five days. Could you add more to expand it further? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just pasted in the text only from the version right before your expansion and got 1011 characters, then the current version and got 2320 or so, so it is about a 2.3-fold expansion. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That is one great picture! That could be used for Bucktail State Park too, couldn't it? Sorry again about the DYK. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Another great pic in Sinnemahoning State Park. Splash dam is nearly done and the DYK nom is in. I think it could be added to Susquehanna Boom, not sure what else. Have a good one, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Kelly (American football)

 * Congrats! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats again, sometimes the hook is just obvious. I used the lead sentence for the DYK hook for Splash dam - never did that before. Great that Nicholas T is such a good source of photos - can you leave a note for him on his Flickr page? Like you said, seems he already knows, take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Delinking done
I worked backwards from the end of the alphabet - I think all the state parks in PA have United States delinked now. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I am working on Colton Point now - sorry to e so slow Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I also found my notes from Owlett on Colton Point (so I do not have to go through the book yet again). I may ask if someone else can make the map for Oil Creek - it is very complicated and the Census map is nowhere near the DCNR one. Just thinking ahead, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)