User:Gerry D/archive15

Park areas
My thought was to use it for parks that do not have an area given on their official site or elsewhere that is easily cited - like Upper Pine Bottom, the area was from the email from the DCNR. I now have refs for everything that was in the email. As one other example, I see Benjamin Rush has an area in the article (275 acre) but this is not in any of the refs given in the article (one is a deadlink now but is in the Internet Archive here). Of course the 2007 PA Manual gives 314.07 acres for Rush, but to me it makes more sense that the park increased in size than Cook Forest State Park decreasing from 8500 acres on its official website to 7,732.78 acres in the PA Manual. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My original hope was that it could be a single reference for the state parks list. I think I might make a list of all the parks and see where there are differences. I was going to email the DCNR about the Cherry Springs number anyway, so it might make sense to ask about all the discrepancies (assume that we ignore differences of a few percent or less). Have a good one, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Pump Station
I found Pump Station - it is a village on PA 44 in Lycoming County in Brown Township. It is the next village north of Haneyville on 44 (though it is a ways away) and almost due west of Slate Run. The 1908 forest fire burned from there along 44 south to near Haneyville. Have to reword the UPBSP article sentence now. Still need to add a section on Ecology and recreation (I think they would be too short as two separate sections) add alt text to the images and redo the lead. Then PR. Have a good night, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I found it on the Penn DOT map - have driven through it several times (on the way to Cherry Springs) but honestly don't recall anything being there. The state forest map shows there is a fire tower with the name there and there was a CCC camp nearby with that name. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My guess is that Pump Station is at best like Hoppestown on Plunketts Creek. I drove along the road from Proctor to Hillsgrove looking for it several times - there are several houses scattered along the road, but I was never sure which one or two were supposed to be the thriving micropolis of Hoppestown. Pump Station had a tree nursery for the state forest in the 1910s, the CCC camp nearby, the fire tower and not much else apparently, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Photo jackpot
Woohoo! The funny thing is that I looked at all pictures on Flickr for Buchanan and Prouty Place recently and noticed the same user had been to both. I'll email you back, thanks Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Let me know how this turns out. It'd be wonderful if they could be used. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 02:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Check your email Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have an account there now, but I can't find anything that says "email this user". I did find your account eventually but am stuck. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, I found out how to send you email there and sent a test message. Not sure if you can check it now or not, but I feel less dumb. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The message has been sent. Will let you know what I hear. Thanks for all your help (as always), Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:31, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Success! Just have to work out if he will change licenses or send an OTRS email. Woohoo! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Makes sense - I have asked Jappalang about the best way to (re)license all the images here Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Jersey Shore photo
I hadn't looked at Jersey Shore for a while. Nice photo of Main Street down by the river. Also, thanks again for your support during the recent Tryon Creek FAC. The process went extremely smoothly compared to most of the others I've been through. I've been wondering for quite a while whether I should nominate Lock Haven, Pennsylvania, for GA. Almost exactly two years ago you sent me a barnstar (only the second I'd ever gotten) for the work I was doing then on Lock Haven, and mentioned that Ruhrfisch had posted some photos of Lock Haven to the Commons. One thing has led to another in a most fortuitous way. If you get a chance to look at the Lock Haven article again over the coming weeks, would you let me know if you have any suggestions or see anything amiss? Finetooth (talk) 17:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Lock Haven review
Thanks very much. That was fast. :-) I hadn't run either the link checker or the dab finder on the article because I didn't know about the tools two years ago and I didn't think about using them on Lock Haven later. I hope you don't mind if I move your review from my talk page to the Lock Haven talk page, where other editors may benefit from it too. Anything you add later could go there too. BTW, many of my relatives lived in Jersey Shore at one time or another, though none do now. I know my way around J.S. much better than Renovo. Finetooth (talk) 01:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oooh! Ahhh! Thanks for the link to the Flickr pix and the tool. I had not found the pix, and I've never used the tool. I've reviewed many Flickr pix and their licenses during peer reviews, but I don't think I've ever uploaded one to the Commons. At first glance, these look swell, and will make a nice big pile to choose from. The lower sections of the article have no pix at the moment, and I can't easily go on photo field trips to Clinton County. Long-distance research is great, but short-distance has great advantages as well. Finetooth (talk) 03:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Any time you'd care to do it would be great. I'm swamped with other things, so there's no hurry. I keep coming back to nibble at it, though. I just used the Flickr tool you showed me to upload a Flickr photo to the Commons, and then I added it to the LH article. Finetooth (talk) 02:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll let you know when I've got it as shipshape as I can. I still have to do the alt texts, look into the Munsee question, and I keep seeing other things that I missed on earlier go-rounds. Finetooth (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Bald Eagle State Park pix
I like them all very much - thanks for the find and for uploading and adding them. I wonder if it would make sense to add File:Bald Eagle State Park Wilds.jpg to the article in place of one of the other images? It is the only one that shows the mountain clearly. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Route 405
I did fix it in the article. Apologies on not replying. I've been in Poughkeepsie, Philly and NYC the last few weekends so it hasn't been easy to reply. Also, its been rather busy on Wikipedia, trying to finish a PediaPress book. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 03:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * If you and Rufrisch are interested, and since you both live in the area, I got Pennsylvania Route 287 to GA after a major expansion. If you guys wanna help me work it to get to FA, sometime along with 405, it would make me really happy, as I put my heart out, including taking 12 straight hours to write 287. The PA Roads project has yet to gain a FA. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 03:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, not too much unless there are important details, like local community named plank roads or turnpikes for use in the article. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 12:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * That was impossible for me to spell correctly when I wrote it :P - Anyway, just look at the intro on 405, that type of plank road community :)- By the way, I saw your images on Flickr, that's how I wondered if you'd be interested. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 12:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * From Chillisquaque to Hughesville via Montgomery, Dewart and Muncy, yes. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 13:05, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Says Water Street on a sign in the photo. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 13:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep. Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 13:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

(out) 287 would probably be easier for me (might just be my Larrys Creek OCD though). I also know a lot about the history of PA 44 in Union, Lycoming, and Potter counties. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:44, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Hughesville
I have two new pictures of Hughesville on Commons: File:Hughesville, Pennsylvania corner.jpg and File:Hughesville, Pennsylvania street.jpg. Not sure which is better for the article / infobox. Feel free to add whichever you think is better. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. I actually was working on another article when you were talking with him :P - Mitch 32(The Password is... See here!) 15:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - congrats on Penn State and to the Dodgers tying it up. I added a pic of PA 118 in Lairdsville to the 118 and Franklin Twp articles. Will upload some more Ricketts Glen pics this weekend. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Flickr pics
No, I have not heard back from him in either place. I was wondering if it would make sense to be bold and upload one of his photos (maybe one of the very nice Buchanan Birthplace pyramid shots) so that an OTRS tag could be added to it, then we would know what the OTRS number is for use on other pics. All of this assumes he still wants to allow his photos to be used here, but I imagine he does. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

PS I uploaded a bunch of Ricketts Glen photos (and am not halfway done yet). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * OK thanks, I will upload it on Commons and leave a note on Flickr tonight. Thanks for the UPBSP edit too - think I can add a bit more on ecology and recreation. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I just heard from cngodles on Flickr - he needs to learn how to change the permission of a whole set with one click. I sent you a Flickr email too. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I misunderstood - he knows he to do it, just wants to change the specific state park sets - I let him know which parks have no pics. Also sent you another Flickr mail. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

UPBSP
I think it is finally ready for Peer review - what do you think? Thanks for you patience and edits. Do you want me to nominate it? Sorry about the Dodgers. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:57, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The nom is in at Peer review/Upper Pine Bottom State Park/archive1. Tweak away! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - Geobox 2 has a few tweaks compared to the old Geobox Protected Area - see diff plus full refs can't be in there, just ref name tags. I was going to make the other PA state park FAs use Geobox2 and then work on the rest. Add alt text to the FAs too. The work never ends. Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the poem - assume you wrote it yourself - it is quite good. I am going to do some nitpicky edits - do you want to read it with an eye to wikilinks? I think there might be some missing and probably some overlinks, but am a bit saturated with the article right now. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:22, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your link check offer, I'm off to edit more, I'm glad that you can also edit, when working at the store. ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edits and checking the links - I removed the millstone sentence as it was from Dillon's book and the actual quarry sites for the millstones are up at the north end of the gorge, far from UPBSP. I want to get some more PR comments before trying FAC. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that I think it is ready too, but I am too close to it to see what still needs to be fixed (hopefully minor). Someone else will have a fresh perspective (hopefully). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

(out) I had not seen your Flickr mail until now, thanks. I only checked one of his Ricketts Glen pics and thought it said it was all rights reserved - must have missed something or misread it. There are a few falls I think there could be better photos of (also have to upload the rest of what I took). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up - I will work on the PR comments, which I agree are very helpful.
 * I was thinking of making a map that showed all of Upper Pine Bottom Run, a bit of Pine Creek, the villages of Waterville and Haneyville, the outline of UPBSP, the bottom part of Little Pine State Park, and the location of the CCC camp (now the ATV trail parking lot). Not sure if I want to include the highways. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you ready for FAC? I closed the PR. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you want me to open the FAC? I found a couple nitpicks and fixed those. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, the nom is in here. Fingers crossed, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me be the first to congratulate you! Woohoo! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Haystacks
Great pic - I will add it to the Huntley Mountain Formation article too. I checked the Loyalsock State Forest map which shows the Haystacks (but not the twps) and the PennDOT Sullivan County map which shows the twps and state forest tracts, but not the Haystacks. Anyway, it is in Laporte Township, Sullivan County, Pennsylvania on the Loyalsock Creek, just north of US Route 220. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

PS I have a kind of artsy picture of a statue in a cemetery in Cherry Twp, in the outskirts of Dushore. I am not sure how representative it is, but I could add it to the twp page if you want. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I added the statue pic to Cherry Twp - I see it as a placeholder, better than nothing, but easy to replace wehn something better comes along. Also added a pic of the Ricketts Glen SP HQ to Colley Twp (part of Lake Jean is there too). Thanks for the UPSB edits too, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Grandfather Mountain
The article is currently a redirect to itself - not sure where it was supposed to point to fix it.

Thanks for fixing the foxes and for working on the PR. Thanks too for your support on Nansen's Fram expedition, which made FAC!

I found enough to make two start articles for the red links - hopefully tonight. If so, FAC tomorrow? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I was confused because your edit summary said it was not a state park, but you added it, then the article was a circular redirect. Glad to see it all sorted out and congrats on a new park, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:21, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

NRHP photos question/proposals
I've opened the discussion on NRHP photos at Media_copyright_questions and hope that you'll comment there. Smallbones (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Creepy crawlies
I made two articles on caterpillars from the UPBSP red links, got them up to long enough for DYK in the five day limit too - nom. Any ideas or tweaks on the hooks? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, they've already been approved. Never mind ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it is the fastest turnaround for a DYK and barnstar I ever had. Probably won't do much more today on Wiki. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? GA? OK, if you say so. I have a few things still to do for Archips and I found some refs to the oak leafroller in two hiking books (one that says to be careful with campfires while on overnight hikes as there are som many dead oak trees from the critters. Probably will get a PR too first. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I cleaned them both up a bit before their time on the Main Page and still have a few tweaks before PR and GAN. I got a really nice picture today in Moreland Township here. Plus my waterfall collection is now as complete as I can get it without wading across Kitchen Creek. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

X marks the spot?
Do you want to work on another bug article and get your DYK for X? Xeris spectrum is an important wood wasp that lays eggs in conifer trees - the larvae bore in the wood and damage it. See here (lots of free pictures) and a Google search turns up a lot of hits. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well you have two model articles and I would be glad to work with you or offer any advice I can. I am also already a member of the Bugwood Network if you want me to put all the images on Commons. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem - let me know what you want me to do. Hurry up and wait on UPBSP. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I'd rather translate the Entomolgy papaers (in English) than Norwegian! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly short cuts almost never are. Do you want me to upload the pictures? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do, since you will work on it Saturday, assume next few days is OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, see here for six bugwood pictures. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I made a few minor copyedits (mostly italicizing species names and switching to the convert template. I do not see in the Norwegian ref where this has symbiotic bacteria - it mentions other species that do, but not Xeris spectrum that I can see (more than one species can be called "Wood Wasp"). The Bugwood ref says " unlike other siricids no symbiosis with fungi has been recorded so far". I also found a paper abstract here which says this species "carries no substantial symbiotic fungi in its body" but that it takes advantage of other wasps' fungus. I think the info on wasps with fungus could be rewritten to show how other species do it.

Maybe the hook could be "DYK ...that unlike other other Siricid Wood wasps, Xeris spectrum does not have symbiotic fungi to aid its larvae as they burrow in the wood of fir and other conifer trees? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I added a ref and am done with the copyedits - good luck with the DYK. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Pennsylvania State Capitol
Thanks! Good luck with Upper Pine Bottom. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 03:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Xeris spectrum
Hi there. Wanted to check the taxonomy for Xeris spectrum. The taxobox has the genus as Sirex, but everywhere else it's the reverse, "Xeris". Heds (talk) 11:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Stillwater runs deep
I semiprotected Stillwater, but not White Haven (less of a recurring problem and the editor who added the material would not be stopped by semi-protection). I checked and the Liz Lemon article mentions White Haven once, and the NCIS (season 6) article mentions Stillwater once. Would it make sense to have a general WP:RfC on the topic (to what extent should a mention in a television show be included in an article about a town?). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I also thought of asking on the WP:CITY talk page about this too - probably easier than an RfC. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Lock Haven
Lock Haven, Pennsylvania, has a lot of shiny new images thanks to Ruhrfisch, and I've added the alt text. I haven't answered the Munsee question, but otherwise I think things are shipshape. I won't have access to all my research notes for a while, but I'd be pleased to know what parts of the article still fail the "blue pencil" test. No hurry at all. This article has been slowly cooking in a crockpot right from the beginning. Finetooth (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC) Link title


 * Thanks so much. That was extremely fast and will be helpful. Do you really think it's almost ready for FAC? Having qualms, I was thinking of trying GA first. The book I used as a source for the trolley info was self-published, and I doubt that I can find anything to replace it. I don't think that would be a problem at GA, but I'm not sure about FAC. Finetooth (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Upper Pine Bottom State Park
I do think we can get all 21 must see parks to FA - Hyner View next? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations to both of you on this FA and for the entire wonderful series. Finetooth (talk) 02:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Kinzua Bridge is another good FA candidate. I do think Prouty Place would be hard to get to FA. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Waterfalls
Hope you win! I have started making waterfalls their own categories at Ricketts Glen (think I can get a FL with the list of waterfalls, maybe it could be the FA goal after Kinzua). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I did identify the two falls currently in the article. I think I will ask the DCNR / parks folks to double check the photo IDs. I have also toyed with another idea for selecting the pictures for the list and park article - more on that later. Congrats on second place (duo?). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am adding dougtone pix of Ricketts Glen waterfalls to Commons - I see you've found his work at Archbald Pothole. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have made categories on Commons for 15 of the Ricketts Glen State Park waterfalls - all six on Kitchen Creek below Waters meet (Adams, Kitchen Creek, Shingle Cabin, Murray Reynolds, Sheldon Reynolds, and Harrison Wright), all eight on the Glen Leigh trail (Wyandot, B. Reynolds, R.B. Ricketts, Ozone, Huron, Shawnee, F.L. Ricketts, and Onondaga) and one of the ten on the Ganoga Glen trail (Erie). I have uploaded almost all of my photos for these, but still need to upload my photos for the nine falls left on the Ganoga Glen side. I also went through dougtone's photos and uploaded them for the Glen Leigh eight. His photos of Adams and Kitchen Creek Falls are not free (also much older), so I will need to ask permission for those. I have identified two of the three waterfall images that were already here, but the last one is driving me nuts. Once I get all the pics uploaded, will see if I can crack it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to work on the waterfalls list too? I have started something at User:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls and should finish getting all the pictures on Commons by tonight. Figure we can get a DYK and a FL out of it, plus lay the ground work for the RGSP FA drive. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Names and heights are mostly from the DCNR park map here - there are 22 there. GNIS lists almost all of the falls too (sent you an email as there are three names with typos of the 23). I was going to use GNIS for latitude and longitude and elevations. Finally there is a nice book, most of which is on Google Books here (I have the whole thing in print). It lists all 24 named falls, gives types and coordinates and heights, but the heights are mostly based on an old DCNR map and some are corrected on the new map (Ozone Falls went from 20 feet to 60 feet). I thought the best thing would be to do the list in three sections - Glen Leigh (8 falls, upstream northeast of Waters Meet), Ganoga Glen (10 falls upstream northwest of Waters Meet), and we could either call the last section Kitchen Creek or Ricketts Glen (6 falls, all downstream / south of Waters Meet). Probably list them in order going upstream. I was also thinking to list name, height, elevation (above sea level), coordinates (lat / long), and notes (explanation of name if known, type of waterfall, perhaps distance to the fall hiking). How this sound? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought we could have whoever wanted to vote on the picture to use for each waterfall in the list. I made up something on the draft talk page here. Does it look OK? Make sense? I was going to invite lots of people to weigh in, but wanted to make sure it was Ok with you first. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the vertical photos look better centered. I also assumed we would go several days before finally deciding on pictures, though some are pretty clear already. If you work on one Glen, I could work on another. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I will email the Ricketts Glen staff and ask if they would make sure if the photos of the waterfalls are identified correctly - my fear is this goes to FLC and then a photo is incorrectly labeled. I also submitted Archips semiferanus‎ to peer review prior to GAN. FIngers crossed, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I did the double photo of Shingle Cabin Falls just to see what it looked like, but am also not thrilled with the result (image is too small). I was going to try and finish the bare bones of the table (name and one picture) before emailing the park folks. Do you think this picture and others in the set on Flickr are from the Bureau of State Parks? They identify some of the falls in these pictures, which makes me think that this is DCNR / PA State Parks "official" Filckr page. If a peer reviewer says you must add this and that on the life cycle before it can be GA, I will be stuck probably (not much else out there I found to add). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

(out) I also think it is official - I used it for a couple of waterfall identifications, especially Delaware. I left a thank you note for dougtone on Flickr mail. No new word from cngodles there. There are some editors who work mostly on animals and do very nice work, so I might ask one of them to look at the bug PR.

This has nothing to do with anything, but the picture on the official UPBSP page is dubious - it shows a grill in front of the picnic table, but when I was last there I double checked and there are not only no grills, but no holes to put them in. My guess is they had a generic picnic photo and said "we can use this here!". Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Emailed you back Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I found a picture of FL Ricketts frozen solid and another of Ganoga frozen solid. Should I ask if they'd release either under a free license? I think I'd prefer FL Ricketts if we had a winter one. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the first section of the list (first 6 falls) is about done - how do you think it looks? Still need to add introductory text and the other two sections. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be unclear - I menat should we ask them if they would allow a frozen waterfall picture to be used here under a free license. I think that FL Ricketts would be best to ask for. The ice there is more prominent as the diagonal band across the rock face. Plus Ganoga is one of the signature falls for the whole park (tallest) and I just think the fall pictures we have a nicer of it. Did you see the video of Ganoga in the snow and ice though? Man on man - what an amazing sight. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed - Brown's book defines them (page xiv) and I was going to add that, plus a bit of history and geology before the actual lists. Probably also add a paragraph or two before each list about that section. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Videos are allowed - they have to be in or converted to .ogg format, which I do not know how to make and which I have laso never been able to view. I am pretty sure this is Onondaga Falls from the side, frozen. Here is the frozen Ganoga video (from about the same spot as this photo ) and I think this is video of RB Ricketts frozen. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

(out) OK, I will try asking for either the frozen Onondaga photo or the Ganoga video. I had seen the Kitchen Creek jumper video before on Flickr - I have looked at way too many waterfall pictures lately. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It has been over a week - when should we close the voting on the images? I have not voted yet - guess I could be the tie breaker... Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the Steelers (though Penn State looked good). I will go mark the poll closed and check the tallies. If there are still any ties, I will vote if that is OK with you. I have been wasting a lot of time trying to find a birth date for Harrison Wright. I guess just a death date would be OK. Except for Adams Falls I have a pretty good entry at least on paper for each falls named after a person. No idea who Adams was, but the one source says Ricketts named 21 falls (so maybe Forests and Waters named Adams). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Google-Fu! It looks as though Wright was born in Plymouth on January 24, 1815. Choess (talk) 02:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! His father was also named Harrison Wright, and I think that is his birth date. On page 1326 it says that our Harrison Wright was born July 15, 1850 and died February 20, 1885. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The ice falls video is on Commons now too here. Now we have to figure out where best to use it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

(out) Happy Thanksgiving! Well, I think you are a major contributor - you certainly have listed me as co-nom on some DYKs where I did less than half the work. Sorry this is so slow - I have been puttering along as I keep hoping the DCNR will write back. Would you want to work on the Geology section (there is a nice guide here)? Or on updating the History section (the book "Ghost Towns of North Mountain" has a lot here? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have refs for all the names but Ozone and Adams - just need to add them. I thought we could add an intro paragraph or two before each Glen. Ricketts Glen could discuss the ambiguity with Kitchen Creek / Adams Falls, there is some on the geology about the other Glens. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Geology

 * Thanks - if you want descriptions of the Pocono, Huntley Mountain and Catskill formations, there are some in UPBSP with refs. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I left off the topmost layer - I included Pocono as it is where the lakes are / were, Huntley Mountain is most of Ganoga Glen and Glen Leigh, and Catskill is from about Waters Meet south. Huntley Mountain is mentioned in one of the falls descriptions already (Shawnee?) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The more I think about it, the article is about the waterfalls - probably don't need to include the Pocono formation (unless you plan to talk about the lakes in Geology). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I will take a look at it. I think the current cource for much of the history probably would not pass FAC as a Relaible source - the Ghost Towns of North Mountain book seems much better. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I think I would include specifics about the two formations in the overall Geology section, then can mention that Ganoga Glen and Glen Leigh are almost all in Huntley Mountain in the intro to each, and that the Ricketts Glen section is all Catskill. Have not had a chance today to get to this yet - should in the next several hours (still tonight). Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Would it interfere with your work if I edited the Geology section now / soon? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks, I just started adding alt text to the image map in Jay Pritzker Pavilion - will finish that, then work on rocks. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Did reading and thinking work on Geology - the wedding cake and bridal veil falls are already mentioned below (Overview), along with Brown's 4 types classification. These should probably all be together in one place, need to think where is best. Also I think the Geology section has to mention the Allegheny Front as that is why the land drops so steeply there. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am trying to decide if it should start with the Allegheny Front, then go back 300 million years and the formation of the rocks and work its way forward to the Allegheny plateau and then the glaciers and today. Yes. I think that works. Other option is strictly chronological. Hums to self absent-mindedly and shuffles off to edit... Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The whole harveyslake.org website is down. I sincerely hope it is just a temporary thing. I spent a fair amount of time on the Internet Archive trying to find copies of the book but could not. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I got copies of Google of all seven chapters and can email them to you. Most are PDFs but some are the html version pasted into Word. Let me know what you want. The website is still down. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Xeris spectrum

 * Congratulations! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving! I am thankful for you and your contributions here! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Somehow the idea of eating a groundhog just does not appeal to me. I have tried tofurkey, but give me the real thing! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Ozone Falls name
There are only two falls officially named "Ozone Falls" in the USGS GNIS database here. I cannot find any explanation for the name of the Pennsylvania Falls, but did find a reason for the name of the one in Tennessee: "Legend has it that the area was named “Ozone” because of the “stimulating quality of the air” created by the mist that is generated after the long plunge of the water." according to the Official TN state park website. My question is do you think it would be OK to quote this in the Ricketts Glen SP waterfalls list? Maybe something like


 * Although the reason for the name Ozone Falls in Ricketts Glen is unknown, the only other "Ozone Falls" in the United States was so named because the air near the falls was believed to have a "stimulating quality" from the waterfall's mist.[ref]

They used to think it was good to breath ozone. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:30, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I will add it next. I think the Glen Leigh section is almost done. Enjoy "Black Friday". Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Black Mo in Espanol
Have you seen es:Parque Estatal Black Moshannon? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes - my Spanish is terrible, but I read the part with the Great Shamokin Path picture and it seems like a sentence by sentence translation. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea, but I do not speak enough Spanish to translate the maps. I could make the offer on the Spanish article's talk page. There is a French version of Joseph Priestley House that is also a FA - I offered to translate those maps, but they never asked me to (in either case they would need to provide the translated text). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a note on the talk page of the main contributor to Parque Estatal Black Moshannon offering to make the Spanish versions of the two maps if they provided the transltion. I know most web translators for German and English are next to worthless. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yuma Quartermaster Depot State Historic Park
Nice article - I did a light copyedit and like the 900 mules idea. How about DYK ... that when Yuma Quartermaster Depot State Historic Park in Arizona was a U.S. Army post from 1864 to 1877, up to 900 mules were kept there to help deliver supplies to five U.S. states? Open to tweaks in this. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

PS I would also add a paragraph to the lead about the 19th century history of the depot. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Yuma Quartermaster Depot State Historic Park

 * Woo hoo! All 26! Congratulations! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * SOunds like a good challenge - fun even if you never get all 50. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Vermont
I think that one problem is that no one has ever calibrated the map for the dot to show up (The VT map is only used on one other page). I have done this once or twice before, but it was a while ago and I will have to dig and look at some examples to figure it out. VerruckteDan did most of the ones that are calibrated. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A calibrated map has the coordinates for certain positions entered somewhere (I think it is the corners, have to check). There is a fudge fix I can try (adding the dot by hand essentially). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I made it so it is not broken, but also has no dot. I can try to add a dot by hand or I can try to calibrate a map file. Once I do, I will tell you how to do it, if you don't mind waiting. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, Geobox 2 can only have tags in it, not the whole ref tag: I fixed the first five PA state parks this way too. The dot is in there as a percentage of the width (x) and height (y) as full numbers (no % sign). I looked on a topo map and put the dot in as best I could. Do you want me to work on the calibrated map next? Ruhrfisch  <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There are actually sort of cryptic directions here Category:Geobox locator United States - I think there are only 4 states that are not calibrated, so I will work on this. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am using Google Earth to get the map coordinates now for Vermont. Will let you know how it goes. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

(out) OK so here are slightly less cryptic directions:
 * 1) I went to Google Earth, and looked at the map of Vermont and got the rough coordiantes of the top left and bottom right corners of the locator map (put my cursor where the corners were, read the coordinates off the bottom left corner)
 * 2) I converted these to decimal using the coord template, for example the lower right corner I got as 42.66619°N, -71.47736°W . When I entered that in this talk page and did a preview I could click on the coordiantes and go to the map hack page and get the decimal equivalents.
 * 3) Decimal equivalents are 42.666 (north) and -71.477 (west). I entered these in the template
 * 4) I found the map is 456 pixels high by 288 wide, so 456/288 = 1.583 = ratio

Here's everything:

Calibrated map


Only problem is I saved it and it is not showing up yet. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I followed Template:Geobox locator Washington which is another one I did. The new one should be at Template:Geobox locator Vermont, but it is not there yet. Probably busy computers haven't caught up yet... Wait and see. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:31, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is working - I made a wider map so it was not as odd looking. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you like it. Calling it a night. Harveys Lake website is gone for good :-( Take care, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

You are - all I did was change the color and enlarge the arrows and labels. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I forgot about your Daltonism - glad to help. ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Great News!!!
Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the Bacon Challenge 2010 before the New Year even starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who enjoy some sizzle, but object to or don't like messing with pig products. This year's event also includes a Bacon WikiCup 2010 for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started A.S.A.P. ALL ARE WELCOME!!! The more the merrier. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Your comment on Ruhrfisch's talk page
Greetings from another colorblind person :-) I don't know about pictures you take, but I've wondered if I have trouble getting aesthetically good pictures because I can't judge colors well.  Nyttend (talk) 05:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm a little better off than you; I can see the 37 in the protanopia test, and with difficulty I can distinguish the 56 in the tritanopia test, but there's no way that I can see the 49 in the deuteranopia test, and I vaguely see a 21 in the Ishihara color test plate. Thanks, too, for your point about the school.  I've never read anything about it elsewhere, so I'm sure that I named the picture from a misreading of the header.  Nyttend (talk) 22:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I cannot tell from either of your photos that your colorblindness is affecting your work in any way. I especially like File:Reflective cypress in Lake Singetary.jpg Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well of course she has good taste - look who she married! I like all the pictures you upload, here and on Flickr. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Smuggler's Notch
I like the idea - the only thing I would do is make it in chronological order, so DYK ...that Smugglers Notch near Smugglers' Notch State Park in Vermont was used by smugglers circumventing the Embargo Act of 1807, the Underground Railroad, and bootleggers? Glad you liked the Canfield Island site DYK picture.

I have got one ready for DYK - I was thinking of something like DYK ...that Bald Eagle Creek Path along Bald Eagle Creek (pictured) in central Pennsylvania was a major connecting path between the Iroquois in the north and the Carolinas in the south? Does that sound OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the nomination is in. I had thought of an article on Woapalanee (and even know of a statue of him that could be in as fair use) but the Wallace book on Indians in PA seems to cast doubt on the whole story in Meginness, so I am not sure. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * There could probably be a Woapalanne article someday - just need to make sure of the sources. If you want an article in need of cleanup, look at Samuel Brady. Eeek! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Smugglers' Notch State Park
Hello! Your submission of Smugglers' Notch State Park at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calmer  Waters  09:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Afognak Island State Park
Hmmm. The three things I was thinking of were the long delay between its original protection and becoming a state park, or the irony of it being established as a result of the Exxon Valdez spill, or maybe how big it is (over 100 square miles, island is about 700 sq mi, bigger than Oahu). So how about something like DYK that Afognak Island State Park was established as a conservation area in 1892, but did not become an Alaska state park until 1994, as a result of the Exxon Valdez oil spill? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:49, 11 December 2009 (UTC)