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State Park pics
Thanks for uploading all of those and adding them to the articles. Woo hoo! All 120 now have a picture! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops - thanks for catching that. I plan to get to Prouty Place sometime, but it would probably be Spring at the earliest. I can ask Clint - my preference would be this photo. What do you think?
 * I had not thought about putting the pictures in the list. It takes about 8 or 9 seconds on my computer for List of Pennsylvania State Parks to load. I wonder how long it would take to load with 120 pictures? We could always try it and see. If there are pictures of each park, then the galleries should probably go. If not, we might want to look and see if we want to update the pictures.
 * My understanding is that the Chief Woapalanee statue in Pennsylvania is a copyrighted art work, so I am not sure if it could be used in Trail of the Whispering Giants, though I think it could be fair use in a Woapalanee article. See the licensing info at File:Hillsboro Shute wooden Indian head sculpture.JPG. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Prouty Place picture is of the stream in the park - very nice (but then I am fond of creeks). I will ask. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Creek geek? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I like it too. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am also calling it a night - looks goood so far. Would it make any sense to use all horizontal format pictures? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:01, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks very nice so far - I think as many horizontal pictures as possible is fine. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They look nice - I have asked about the Archbald Pothole panorama seven pictures. For Parker Dam, how about this one? For Sizerville how about this or this? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:24, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I also like this one of Sizerville. Since I asked about the seven today, I will wait to hear about those, so no hurry. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(out) Thanks for the heads up - I see that Flickr Upload Bot is down now. Calling it a night, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The Parker Dam and Sizerville HDR pix are now freely licensed on Flickr, thanks to Clint. Do you want to upload them or do you want me to? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * They are uploaded and in the park articles and your Pet. I am fine with moving Pet into the list - do you want to do the honors? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the repeats should be removed in any case. Perhaps the gallery in the former parks section could be pictures of the former parks - Valley Forge, Snyder-Middleswarth, maybe one of the battlefields, waterfall in Childs. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Brandywine Battlefield.jpg, File:Valley Forge gunner.jpg, File:Snyder Middleswarth NA Picnic Shelter 1.jpg - looking for Childs Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:42, 17 December 2009 (UTC) File:Fulmer Falls Closeup 3000px.jpg from Childs Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you ever seen any pictures — free or unfree — of CCC-built buildings at Raccoon Creek State Park? They're one of just two unphotographed sites from the NRHP list in Beaver County, and I'd really like to find a picture if I can.  I've tried looking on Flickr for pictures, figuring that I can always ask a photographer to change a license, but I can't even find any all-rights-reserved pictures to ask about.  I tried to get to the site when I was in college in northern Beaver County, but a hilly 50-mile round trip by bicycle on a hot April day was beyond what I could do.  Nyttend (talk) 04:07, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm going to ask Ruhrfisch the same question.  Maybe I can make a detour when I go back to visit friends for a day; I've been to almost all of the county's sites, and if I could get there by car, the hills would be a significantly smaller problem :-)  Nyttend (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - it looks good to me now. I will look at it more carefully tomorrow when I am fresher. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I made some minor tweaks in the captions of the former parks pictures and added in a link to the Cilds Recreation Area in the table. Otherwise looks good. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Smugglers' Notch State Park

 * Congrats! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

More Stillwater
A heads-up is in order as that particular episode of NCIS is on tonight and it seems that that recurring addition coincides with its airing. I've left a note with Ruhrfisch as well... ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 21:01, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hopefully it'll be quiet for awhile... Say, how did inquiring about those state park pics turn out? ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 03:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be too worried about images slowing the page down. It turns out images don't impact as much as one would think. Someone at WP:NRHP decided to see why one of the longer NRHP lists was taking so long to load (see this) and it turns out that the coordinate template was the culprit. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 03:43, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks! I've enjoyed making use of Pennsylvania's online National Register presence; if my native Ohio had a similar program, you can be certain that I'd be working with it more and with Pennsylvania less :-) Nyttend (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it was a fun article to write. Need to expand Logan's Path for DYK next. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The DYK hook for Sabbathday Lake Shaker Village sounds good to me - not sure if they'd want some explanation that the Shakers are celibate in the hook. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The article says four Shakers left in the lead, the hook says three. Since it makes it clear they are down to three in the body, should that be in the lead too? No word from CLint and the Archbald licenses are unchanged, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Afognak Island State Park

 * Congratulations! Nice hook ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sabbathday Lake barn pix
Just looked at the article and the HABS photos and thought a couple of barns might fit in. Please revert if you don't like them. Perhaps it has something to do with celibacy? Also - perhaps I've been taking too many pictures of meetinghouses - but I'd call the organization we label the "Religious Society of Friends" as the "Society of Friends" rather than Quakers or Religious. They are used to it by now I'm sure and Quakers fits well with Shakers (Quakers were once apparently quite ecstatic), but when they can't decide whether they want to be call a "Religious Society" or just a "Society" .... Smallbones (talk) 05:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Shakers, falls and havens


I suggested a tweaked hook that included their celibacy - hope it is OK. How about we move Waterfalls to article space in 24 hours? There is still some stuff I want to add. Agree the Lock Haven FAC is going well so far - fingers crossed. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be glad to move it - have to expand the lead, finsih the history and describe the last of the Ganoga Glen falls better. Sent you an email. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing urgent - just wondering if I was being too worried about the possible misidentification of the falls pictures. Once the pictures are set, I have an idea for a cool map and a composite panorama for the main article. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * See List of named waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park Good night, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 06:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was going to submit it to DYK. I was thinking of two different possible hooks: DYK

Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ... that there are 24 named waterfalls (one pictured) in Ricketts Glen State Park in Pennsylvania, ranging from 9 to 94 ft ?
 * ... that the Falls Trail along the 24 named waterfalls (one pictured) in Ricketts Glen State Park has been called "the most magnificent hike" in Pennsylvania?
 * PS Which picture do you prefer? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:58, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The DYK nom is in (#2 and Ganoga picture), thanks. I want to nominate it for PR, but need to finish the Ganoga Glen table falls notes and expand the lead first - a day or two. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sabbathday Lake Shaker Village

 * Congrats! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact of there being three Shakers, not four, is one good reason for this article to be expanded before the others die; good work! Nyttend (talk) 04:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Really, okay; I thought that the four were all old women, not three old women and one man. I'm not aware of any other groups, either; the Harmonists are the only other group I can think of right now, and they've been gone for a century.  Nyttend (talk) 04:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Ephrata was celibate; it seems that Marie Kachel Bucher was born to parents who were members. Nyttend (talk) 04:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Devil's Den State Park geology
This looks like a very detailed article There is also a book here that may be a good ref (not a huge amount on the geology though). This is a better guide for geology. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!



 * I made it there early in the season when the weather was not too cold - the photo is hand held, so I was pretty happy with how well it turned out. Merry Christmas my friend, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:56, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Cookies
Thank you for the cookies, which will add no empty calories to my diet. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours! Finetooth (talk) 20:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for my cookies too - I can eat all I want of them and they never fill me up. I had seen the note that Picture Rocks was the only borough left with a picture, so I got two. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! I really like the "The cookies too." in the source :-)  Nyttend (talk) 03:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cookies, buddy! They were delicious. Merry Christmas to you, as well. - Darwinek (talk) 12:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks as well (I'm curious to know as to what kind they are). I'm guessing that it's a white Christmas this year down in the North Carolina after that storm. ​​​​​​ ​​ Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 04:36, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a merry Christmas as you celebrate the birth of Our Lord! Nyttend (talk) 05:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Cherrytree Township Bridge
I was uploading some pictures from the NRHP Pennsylvania ARCH site and saw the township did not have a picture. Looking at the PennDOT Venango County map and the map on the NRHP form, the bridge is in the Drake Well museum site (PHMC), so it is north of the park, not in it. I now realize the Drake Museum picture could probably be used in the Cherrytree Township article. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Drake Well Museum has the wrong township - it should be Cherrytree, not Oil Creek. See NRHP form and PennDOT map. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I removed the Drake Well picture from Oilcreek Twp. Venango County has no lead picture in the infobox - what od you think of it there? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The oil well has been listed in Cherrytree Township at the Venango County list for some time now, because the NRIS-provided coords place the oil well in an area that my Pennsylvania Atlas and Gazetteer says is in Cherrytree Township. Nyttend (talk) 05:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Devil's Den State Park

 * Congrats - a nice thing on your special day! Have you also seen this? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the pic is cropped a bit, but I like it. Will finish the waterfalls for PR next. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for List of named waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park

 * Congrats and thanks! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Vega State Park
How about adding the elevation? so DYK ...that fossilized remains of giant sea turtles can be found at an elevation of 8000 ft in Vega State Park in Colorado?

Glad to see so many hits for the waterfalls DYK. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Very glad to help - have been very busy in real life, but should be able to finish up the waterfalls in the next day or so. All the best in 2010! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the hook and the picture (glad it is one of the wet lake) for Washoe Lake State Park - I added "(pictured)" at DYK. Have a good day, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a nice picture and would look good on the Main Page so I thinks it has a chance - never quite sure why different images are chosen or not. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Lock Haven, Pennsylvania
Dincher, I also want to thank you for your early and continued support of this article, for my Wikipedia work in general, for the Tireless Contributor Barnstar, and for introducing me to Ruhrfisch. Really, I can't thank you enough. Finetooth (talk) 05:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - on to the Waterfalls. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:32, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Vega State Park

 * Congrats on this one and the others above. Finetooth (talk) 00:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My congratulations too! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Utah map, waterfall question


Yes, the map coordinates have not been entered yet - thanks for catching that. Will work on it tonight.

I was thinking of moving some of the Ganoga name details from the current history section to the Ganoga Glen intro. Probably leave the year of the name suggestion and Buckalew and the rough meaning in the History and move the rest. Sound OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I calibrated it I think - the coords in Pet were on the mainland in a town so I tried getting coords from Google Earth and adding those (as USGS GNIS was not working). Let me know if it needs to be tweaked. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks - I also added a reflist to get it to work. It does sound like a neat place, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I made them all 100 pixels wide above (DYK size). I like the top left photo best (since it is an island), but also like the middle one (as it is an antelope). I also like the road image (top right), but probably only if it were in the hook. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I wish they had ALT imagaes in DYK as well as ALT hooks. I also like the bison on the highway picture - they are nice images. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you seen File:Antelope Island State Park Map.jpg? I was going to offer to make a map, but this is already a Fatured Picture. Adding alt text to tall the park FAs is on my list of things to do. There is some explanation at WP:ALT - the basic idea is to briefly describe the image for someone who can't see it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you used the alt text viewer (the PR has a link to it)? Here it is for |Joseph Priestley House. I have started adding alt text to the waterfalls article. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(out) I finally fixed it, though it took me a long time - switched it to Geobox 2 in the end. I am not fond of alt text either, thnaks for doing those. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Waterfalls questions
I just need to finsih the descriptions of the last seven falls in Ganoga Glen and make the map. WHat do you think of the intros to each Glen and the images I added?

Originally I thought to make a map with a little inserted picture of each waterfall on it, then wikilink the images (an image map). I think that to fit 24 waterfalls and text in, the map will be too cluttered and the pictures too tiny anyway. What do you think? I can try making a regular map and then add pictures for one of the Glens (Leigh?) to see what it would look like. Do you think this is worth trying? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, here is a base map. I thought it could be full size at the bottom of the waterfalls article (it is about the same size as the Sullivan County list map). The blue dots are the 24 named waterfalls, it also shows PA 118 and 487, Ganoga Lake and Lake Jean, the dry (dots) Lake Rose and Lake Leigh, plus Kitchen Creek, South Branch Bowman Creek and Big Run. I went with green for the park instead of ivory - there is no adjoining state forest (green in other maps) though there is adjoining State Game Land and Fish and Boat Commission Land in the east (neither shown here). How does it look? Ideas? Suggestions? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Swapped out the unlabeled base map above for the new version. I labeled it with everything, but did not see how to include pictures - there is a second version, mostly with different positions of the waterfalls labels. Let me know which you like best and I will transfer that version to Commons (and fix the file name). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I will transfer it to Commons. Do you think I should transfer the other version too (different labels)? I think I can do an image map and link the labels to photos (or to Wiki pages for the counties). I am planning on making a bigger map for the park article showing the office, beaches, etc. Here I tired to just show what was mentioned in the list article. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The park is green in the waterfalls map. Do you think I should change the park color to ivory like the other state park maps? In the other state park maps, green is other state land (state forest or state game lands) and brown is private property. I am not sure if the picture would show with the cursor or not. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, both labeled versions are on Commons now. I switched the green to ivory to be consistent. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was surprised how much nicer it looked in ivory. That led me to update the one PA state park map that was not ivory for the park - wonder if anyone will notice? ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I bet one person notices. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * What? There are pictures for every state park in Pennsylvania now?? Why didn't someone tell me!?! :-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

(out) Someone noticed here Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I started the PR here. Found some slight map errors - will fix. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I printed the waterfalls article out to check it and noticed how much text there is, so I wondered about FAC vs FLC and asked for people to weigh in in the PR. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Found this cool 1939 aerial photo of the lakes at Ricketts Glen - I have fixed the map now too (made Lake Rose smaller). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The only natural one of the four was Mud Pond. Lake Jean (including Mud Pond) is the only one that exists now. I think there need to be articles on Lake Ganoga and either an article on Lake Jean that includes Mud Pond and Lakes Rose and Leigh, or perhaps a Lakes of Ricketts Glen article on all four. I have DYK hooks for both ;-) I would be glad to help with Antelope Island for FA if you want to go for it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I tweaked the alt text - it is supposed to describe the image without identifying it (unless a sign or something is present that has words on it, then you need to say what the text in the image is). So if you saw the picture and did not know where it was (or who it was) but wanted to describe it to a blind person or to someone over the phone, that is what alt text is supposed to be like. A picture of Abe Lincoln might have "A tall, thin man with a dark beard and no moustache wearing a stovepipe hat." I have trouble with it myself. The alt text tool shows the image with the caption below and the alt text above. Ruhrfisch  <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I like what you wrote as the caption for Waters Meet - see this Alternative_text_for_images on not including proper names in alt text. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(out) Thanks, I think they were both good - tweaked the bridge one, as you could read part of the sign / map in the picture, so then you are supposed to include the text. Then I kept tweaking. You know me. ;-) Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * They look great thanks - I will be working on a certain music pavilion tonight to start, then will do the map and wide image alt texts at least. Did you get my emails? The images are definitely all correctly identified. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I saw your emails back shortly after I wrote that above. I am relieved that the falls are all identified correctly. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is hard to tell scale in some of the photos, but the height is given for each in the tables. We don't have many photos with people or objects for scale. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I like your alt text - thanks. One tweak though - if you can't tell what something is by looking at it, you are not supposed to identify it by name - the only place I can see this is with sandstone. I did the panorama and map alt texts. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Good point - I also can recognize hemlocks, but you are right, the average reader probably can't do that. Perhaps say conifers instead of hemlocks? Or say evergreen trees? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I moved it to Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park and did a quick check of all uses of the word "list" in the article to fix the obvious changes. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was thinking I could send it to FAC by tomorrow (Monday) at the latest. Do you still want to start the Ganoga Lake article, or should I? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PS I keep meaning to tell you that Antelope is really looking good. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I will start that article too - it will probably be Monday for FAC then. Also want to start the lakes in the park article, but it is not a red link so can work on it after nominating at FAC. Let me know if/when you want me to look at the article in more detail. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just need to tweak the Overview section to describe the Falls Trail and be a little less oriented for a list, then work on the red links. I also want to add the total number of falls (I have two sources at 33 and one at 34). Could you please look at the 3rd, 4th, and 5th paragraphs in History, the Glen Leigh intro, and the descriptions of Adams, Kitchen Creek, Ozone, and FL Ricketts falls to make sure they still read OK? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good catches - thanks so much. Now I just need to work on the Overview section and the redlinks. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Washoe Lake State Park

 * Congrats! And you got the lead / pictured slot too - woo hoo! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks very much for the graphic designer / maps barnstar - I have a lot of fun doing maps and am glad they are appreciated and hopefully useful. I have been wikilinking the labels on the waterfalls image map, but am not done. Does it look OK for you?

I get the ivory color using the eyedropper on MS Paint (taking it from existing maps). Agree that it would be a huge amount of work to swap out all the maps. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Karthaus Truss Bridge
Thanks for the note! The bridge at Karthaus isn't on the list, so I'll not be using it; but who knows, perhaps one of you local editors will find a way to use it. Nyttend (talk) 03:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Bedford Village Archeological Site
Hmm, good catch. I copy/pasted the infobox from the Deffenbaugh Site and changed the information, but apparently I forgot to change the coords, since Deffenbaugh is in southwestern Fayette County. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Redlinks
I think the "Ghost Towns of North Mouutain" book has enough on Ganoga Lake to start that article, plus USGS GNIS, the Sullivan County map, and here on the HABS. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I can work on Kitchen Creek (including a section on tribs, specifically Shingle Cabin Brook) and the article on the four lakes (not currently a red link). Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think maybe I can get a DYK for Kitchen Creek and the four lakes. Probably for Ganoga too. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I am fairly busy in real life and have not gotten much done either. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I just saw the reference on Lake Jean you added to the Waterfalls talk page. Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That is a wonderful photo of the Pine Creek Gorge - thanks! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Now playing at FAC
The nomination is in at Featured article candidates/Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park/archive1. Phew. Wait and see, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 05:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Since it is the only actionable comment so far, I've tried to make the alt text a little more concise per Ucucuha's comment (first third). It is one of my least favorite things to write / copyedit here. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a FAC requirement - techniucally we should go back and add it to the articles that are already FAs. I am working on Ganoga Lake slowly. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked and there are over 100 Convert templates in the waterfalls article - I can replace them with the numbers (which I am guessing would make things load much faster). Also 24 coordinates, but not much we can do about that. What do you think, should we swap them out? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I will work on it the next day or two. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:28, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have it down to 72 converts left already. Michael Devore has also done a great job finding typos - he's amazing. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I was in the groove and all the convert templates are out and I think I put all the needed non-breaking spaces in too, but could you check when you get a chance please? Thanks, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and thanks for tweaking the map caption, much clearer. Up to three supports! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congrats on the star for Waterfalls in Ricketts Glen State Park. It's an amazing piece of work. Finetooth (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I second that. Well done indeed. Brianboulton (talk) 21:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

24 Waterfall salute!

 * Thanks - I was pretty pleased with the way it turned out too. Had the idea back when we were picking images as a way to put pix of all the falls in the park article, then thought to use it as thank spam. Had no idea we would need it so soon - phew. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Quehantelope
The Antelope Island hook seems fine to me and I like the map as a FP - see what they say. If there is a problem, I can work on another hook as needed. I nominated Ganoga Lake as a 5x expansion on Feb. 5th and it is still nominated, not even checked yet (did get a great photo on Flickr - asked permission and the photographer was very fast and helpful). Enjoy your break. I will work on Quehanna - I think I can get a DYK for it too (probably the largest wild area in PA, save the rest for later). I enjoy winter weather for the most part and we have not been hit with near the snowfall that many have. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking the DYK - I need to add a Geology and Ecology section to the lake. Figure it could be a GA, maybe FA??. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I figure the Geology will be useful for the RGSP article (as the lake is in a formation not mentioned in the Waterfalls article) and the Ecology would be a start for that section too. I am also thinking about a "Lakes in Ricketts Glen State Park" article (current Lake Jean, plus historic Mud Pond and smaller Lake Jean, Lake Leigh, and Lake Rose. There are also two lakes just east of the modern park that were used for ice production (in Petrillo's book) that might deserve a mention. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have not seen the National Geographic article yet - will try and take a look at it, thanks for the heads up and your kind words. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks and glad you like the critters - just have to add an Ecology section to the lake, then on to the Q. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree it is a good FA candidate. So are you done with your break? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have not added the tool to any articles yet, knew about "reflist|2" for two columns. Looks like something to use. Enjoy your "break", glad you're around. I got three good new sources for Quehanna today. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I tried it on Larrys Creek - 4 columns on my browser (vs. 2 before - both with Firefox)(no difference on IE, where it is one column either way). I think I like 2 columns better. What do you think? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

(out) Agree that two columns is better than one, I thought in four columns it was harder to find things than in two. Thanks for the alt text on LC, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:24, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Antelope Island State Park

 * Congratuations! Nice to see all of your hard work on the main page! Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ganoga Lake
Thanks for the review and the Quehanna edits - will work on fixing the Ganoga redirects and removing the duplicate links. There can only be one article per nominator at FAC now, so I thought I'd try GAN for Ganoga, then go for PR after, and on to FAC. By then Quehanna should be done, hopefully. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 22:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Cities
I am not sure - perhaps this would be a good thing to ask at the WikiProject Protected Areas talk page? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked and the nearest city field was originally in the Infobox protected area template. The documentation there is "nearest_city Recommended if the area is not within a city. It could be a city with a major airport or a large gateway town where supplies and lodging are available." I think when we swithced over from Infoboxes to Geoboxes, we kept the nearest city, but it has always been a bit of a problem area (it is not even pre-set in Geobox, we just added it as a free field). I would be OK with removing it. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

North Dakota images
Regarding a new image at Tokio, North Dakota, go right ahead. I'm familiar with afiler's images on flickr, and have added them to several articles myself, such as Petrel, North Dakota and North Lemmon, North Dakota. The problem I've found is that it's not easy to find specific towns on his photostream, but he is continually adding new ones which is good. I actually searched for a photo of Tokio on his photostream a while back and couldn't find one, which is why I uploaded the NASA aerial photo instead.

I would recommend uploading the photos to Wikimedia Commons using the flickr upload bot. That way, they are available to users on other projects as well. Thanks for the heads up.DCmacnut &lt; &gt; 15:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)