User:Gitz6666/ArbCom

On the scope of the case (Analysis)

Perhaps my squabble with MVBW was "out of scope", as Barkee49 commented (above at 14:52, 20 April 2023). However, I think it touches upon a fundamental issue of this case, which concerns precisely its scope, and thus the information that Arbs should be interested in gathering.

Because of the G&K paper, the scope of the case was defined as "WWII and the History of Jews in Poland" (or "HiP", Holocaust in Poland). But that was unfortunate: now that we know that GizzyCatBella was a SP of Jacurek, we see more clearly that the scope and name of the case should have been something like "The ex-EEMLs 14 years later". The presence of 5 or perhaps 6 ex-EEMLs among G&K's alleged "distortionists" (Volunteer Marek/Radeksz, My very best wishes/Biophys, GizzyCatBella/Jacurek, Piotrus, Poeticbent, and I guess also Molobo/MyMoloboaccount, if they are the same user) cannot be taken as mere coincidence. And if it is not a coincidence, then the ArbCom should look at the bigger picture and not limit themselves to the HiP topic area, for at least two reasons.

First, it is possible that a small but cohesive collaborative network of experienced users has developed on this project, based on shared political values and committed to nationalist editing. Looking at the parties involved in the case, it can be seen that – with the sole exception of Piotrus – their interactions took place also, but not exclusively or primarily, in the HiP topic area. No doubt, the memory of Nazi occupation is an important element in Polish national identity, but it is not the only area of concern for the ex-EEMLs (and it is very marginal for MVBW). If some ex-EEMLs are still editing Wikipedia in pursuit of a political agenda, which I strongly believe to be the case, then it is likely that their activities and modus operandi (massive removals of sourced materials, edit warring, tag-teaming, casting aspersions) are also to be found in other areas. To address the roots of the HiP distortions, ArbCom should carefully examine this interaction analysis and check the articles where there's been close collaboration – i.e., editors adding or removing the same text in a close sequence. A few examples are given below in the collapsible box. This is the best way to establish whether there is a pattern of disruptive and tendentious editing by a close-knit group of veteran editors: focusing on the HiP area alone may be too narrow and not conclusive. Secondly, Arbs should look at the bigger picture to determine the best remedies for possible misconduct. If the ex-EEMLs hypothesis is well-founded, then reacting to misconduct in the HiP topic area by applying topic bans would be a cure worse than the disease: banning from one area would only shift the burden to other areas. Topic bans should at least cover the whole EE area instead of being limited to the HiP area, but even these topic bans would still be too narrow (politically sensitive areas outside EE would remain unprotected) and also too harsh: less restrictive measure are at hand, and there is no need to completely renounce the contribution of experienced users. I'd suggest the adoption of 1RR or 0RR – if these users notice disruption, they should turn to the talk pages and noticeboards instead of edit warring –, strict bans on tag-teaming/following each other around, a comprehensive restriction on incivility and possibly other well-targeted measures of this kind.
 * No-go area (re Polish LGBT-free zones): VM at 19:55, 26 March 2020 followed by GCB at 01:19, 27 March 2020 (5 hours).
 * Israel–Poland relations (re Jews escaping or emigrating from Poland): GCB at 18:09, 15 August 2021 followed by VM at 18:13, 18:16, 18:24, 18:28, 18:58 (4 minutes).
 * Douma chemical attack (re Syrian civil war): VM at 04:34, 19 November 2022 and 04:35 followed by MVBW at 18:39 (4 hours).
 * Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections (US-Russian politics): MVBW at 02:27, 15 December 2016 followed by VM at 07:39 (5 hours); VM at 18:14, 2 March 2017 followed by MVBW at 19:47 (1.5 hours); VM at 22:37, 19 April 2019 followed by MVBW at 00:14, 20 April 2019 (2 hours).
 * Radio Free Asia (US Asian politics): VM at 00:30, 11 June 2021 followed by MVBW at 00:38 (8 minutes); MVBW at 17:14, 11 June 2021 followed by VM at 18:46 (1.5 hours); VM at 07:29, 6 July 2021 followed by MVBW at 14:41 (7 hours).
 * War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Russo-Ukrainian war): MVBW at 14:53, 3 June 2022 followed by VM at 18:35 (4 hours); VM at 07:59, 18 June 2022 followed by MVBW at 15:09 followed by VM at 18:54 (10 hours)

Amendment to the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance
G&K article says that The Polish government’s resolve to control the past culminated with the passage in 2018 of the Amendment to the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance (p. 5). Widely shared assessment, see e.g. European Parliament resolution of 17 September 2020 P9_TA(2020)0225: the 2018 law jeopardises freedom of speech and independent research by rendering it a civil offense that is actionable before civil courts to cause harm to the reputation of Poland and its people, such as by making any accusation of complicity of Poland or Poles in the Holocaust; OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media ; Amnesty International ; American Historical Association.

The writing of Amendment to the Act on the Institute of National Remembrance took place with some disagreement between Icewhiz, François Robere (FR) and Volunteer Marek (VM) on 14 March 2019 (3R in 12h by VM) and between FR, Levivic and MyMoloboaccount on 17 Nov 2019. In Oct-Nov 2020 the article was more stable; Buidhe edited it substantially on 19-21 Oct and 26-27 Oct.


 * 1 Jan 2021: Buidhe adds comparison with similar laws including Turkey and criticism by US constitutional lawyer Tsesis ; with five consectuve edits, VM revers and also removes other content, e.g. reference to Szczuczyn pogrom (carried out by Poles) that was included by Boud in 2018  and reference to Kanika Gauba's "duty to forget" as the point of the 2018 Amendment, which was included by Icewhiz and MyMoloboaccount in 2019-2020 . Buidhe restores undiscussed major changes, removing aspects that are significantly emphasized in most scholarly sources that discuss the law ; VM reverts Nooo, the ADDITION of this stuff constitutes "undiscussed major changes" since... you didn't bother discussing any of them. I've actually provided the rationale on talk for my restoration of version before YOUR "undiscussed major changes" ; Buidhe restores restore content from scholarly sources removed without explanation
 * See t/p discussion stuff in lede. Buidhe: You removed a lot of longstanding information from the lead, most of which has been present for months without any dispute. Also, some of it was not added by myself, but various other editors; VM: No, I removed a chunk of UNDUE text which you JUST ADDED to the lede, less than THAN AN HOUR AGO! What are you talking about? Buidhe: The material that you deleted was not just my recent edit; VM: Here is what you added at 23:03 [17] Here is what I removed at 23:22 [18] The only difference between what was added and what was removed is the sentence "As most Ukrainians (...)" which is also undue for the lede. The diffs are right there Buidhe; Buidhe: This statement is false. WP:CIV?
 * 2 Jan: since Buidhe doesn't agree with VM's (−5,464) edit, VM doubles down with a massive (-23.707) WP:POINTy removal of sources and text: Restore "stable version" per suggestion on talk so that the recent major changes can actually be discussed. Will work to reincorporate subsequent non-controversial edits . "Stable version" is the 15 Oct 2020 version, arguably the 5 Nov 2020 was already stable (in place 2 months without any intervening edits). 30+ consecutive edits follow . Comparison between Buidhe's and VM's versions . WP:DIS, WP:CAUTIOUS, WP:POINT?
 * See t/p discussion Mass removal of well-sourced content. Buidhe: I'm happy to discuss but it isn't productive to mass-remove almost half the article content as you did in this [27] edit, especially since most of it is well sourced to strong sources such as academic articles and so forth; El_C Volunteer Marek, you have removed tens of thousands of bytes, so now the expectation is that you explain in detail the reasoning behind that removal, not to mention touching on the origin of that which has been removed Given the extent of the changes a productive discussion is impossible. VM's If you are objecting to some other edit of mine then please be specific sounds mockery. No one could ever have the time to review all these changes.
 * On the same day, Buidhe adds a "Background" section to the article, which IMO is clearly informative, well-sourced and neutral; GCB removes @Buidhe, I have to step in here. I'm sorry, but here you seem to be connecting material from multiple sources to suggest a conclusion. This is WP:SYNTH. I will revert this edit of yours for now, but let talk about it at talk if you disagree. Okay? . See t/p discussion Removal of historical background material. Unconstructive comments by GCB assuming Buidhe doesn't know the meaning of SYNTH (Please examine WP:SYNTH, and then please tell me what you think about the above combined material (...) Buidhe, it took you 2 minutes to reply....have you studied WP:SYNTH in 2 minutes or you were already familiar with WP:SYNTH?) and equally unconstructive (off-topic and misleading) comment by VM (The fact that the text “does not state or imply anything about the amendment” is precisely why it’s WP:SYNTH and WP:COATRACK). WP:CIV?
 * 2 Jan: Buidhe opens an RfC: Legal analysis section. VM objects The problem is that this throws together a bunch of additions that are probably non-controversial with a bunch which are, basically trying to force an up/down vote on the entirety. Buidhe: Basically all of it was deleted from the article by you, except one sentence from Tsesis. Seven "yes", three "no", one "Mhmhm" (by Piotrus). Notable points:


 * 1) !votes "yes" include Buidhe, François Robere, Szmenderowiecki + four non-party/uninvolved editors;
 * 2) Piotrus is actually favoring inclusion of this but has WP:POV concerns; he asks if there are RSs supporting the law; since no source is available, he suggests Maybe someone should contact the IPN and ask them to supply some sources?;
 * 3) !votes "no" are VM, GCB and My very best wishes (MVBW), who provides various reasons to support his !vote, e.g. content is redundant, the law is ineffective, and there are some really ridiculous laws in Russia.

Glaukopis
Our dedicated article describes Glaukopis as "nationalist Polish history journal catering to the far right"; G&K say that it's "a journal which caters to, and is led by, the Polish extreme nationalistic right", whose long-time editor-in-chief, Wojciech Muszyński "openly praises the ONR, one of the most militant, rabidly antisemitic organizations of prewar Poland".

In a March 2023 discussion at RSN, all editors (Piotrus included) commented that Glaukopis is unreliable; the only exception was My very best wishes, who nonetheless assesed the source as WP:BIASED arguing that it can be used with care and with appropriate attribution.

Compare with a February 2021 discussion on the same source:


 * Volunteer Marek replies to Buidhe's original post Whoa whoa whoa. Buidhe is using "oko-press", a highly partisan outlet (I'd say roughly comparable to something like The Jacobin, itself not reliable, to attack Muszynski. These charges may or may not be true, but you can't do this here - this is a pretty serious BLP violation (17:21, 4 February 2021); Did you actually read the sources you're bringing here? (18:53, 4 February 2021); Buidhe compounds their BLP violation above by using non-reliable sources to smear academics (17:32, 4 February 2021).
 * VM likens Institut Glaukopis with universities that have their own presses and publish their own journals, with articles from their own faculty (some places, like MIT or Chicago, MOSTLY their own faculty). As long as the editorial board includes outside scholars and so does the peer review, then this shouldn't be a concern (17:23, 4 February 2021). Also MyMoloboaccount says that Glaukopis is Reliable -peer reviewed, includes notable cited historians (15:04, 4 February 2021) and GizzyCatBella agrees, Reliable - Glaukopis is an obvious peer-reviewed scholarly publication (17:29, 4 February 2021).
 * Generalrelative reproaches VM two times, first for an uncivil comment (François Robere's !vote should be discounted since FR has used Glaukopis as RS in the past), then for bludgeoning the discussion (elevent comments from 17:21 to 19:36, 4 February 2021; two more on the next day).
 * An Icewhiz's SP joins the discussion adding to the confusion. Eventually ten editors argue that Glaukopis is unreliable, seven that it is not, and the discussion doesn't deliver a consensus.

My analysis. There are two plausible explanations for this rapid change of opinion in the community. First, the March 2023 discussion was negatively influenced by the recent publication of the unreliable and biased G&K article. Second, the February 2021 discussion was negatively influenced by VM's incivility and bludgeoning, and by the usual support from involved editors. The choice between these two explanations is the fundamental issue at the heart of this case. On the one side we can rely on RSs and trust them when they tell us that Glaukopis is unreliable, or that the restitution of abandoned property to Jews in post-war Poland was difficult, or that there's no reason to believe that the Naliboki massacre was carried out by Jewish partisans, or that local ethnic Poles and the Home Army were occasionally hostile to Jewish fugitives, etc. (examples taken from my evidence, many more in François Robere's evidence). On the other side we can rely on the good faith and competence of fellow editors who have been close to us for years. I understand that for some users this may be a difficult choice. Another instructive discussion is the AfD on Anna Poray (Poeticbent, Nihil Novi, MVBW, MyMoloboaccount, Tatzref, GizzyCatBella - VM is absent).

Rebuttal of Chumchum7
I know this is a very marginal aspect of the case; but it is not marginal for me, since in his evidence submission Chumchum7 seems to ask for my topic ban (Interaction ban is not the solution, it will cause proxy fights through provocative editing in the topic area without direct contact).

Note that initially Chumchum7 alleged that So afaics, Gitz created the repetition of Stola himself, then used that repetition as fresh grounds for removal of the Stola pop-out from the lede. I pointed out to them on their user talk that this was a glaring error and advised to self-revert, to no avail: they didn't reply, let alone thank me, but changed their statement into the funny So afaics, Gitz caused [no longer "created"! I caused it...] the repetition of Stola himself: when I restored it to the lede, he then used that repetition as fresh grounds for removal of the Stola pop-out from the lede (my italics). What happened, and how could one "cause" a repetition without creating it? This is the sequence of editing: To sum up: it was Chumchum7, not me, who created the repetition on 15 March. By removing it, I was just doing trivial copy editing. I literally don't give a damn about Stola 2003, which was the last thing on my mind; Stola and Gitz have differing points of view is sheer speculation on Chumchum7's part.
 * On 10 March 2023 I remove the contentious (IMO selective) quotation from Gross 2001 at Jedwabne pogrom (see my evidence) and also remove the citation clutter incogruously attached to it; on 12 March 2023 Volunteer Marek restores text and references. I do not revert, but give my reasons on the t/p.
 * On 13 March 2023, with a series of consecutive edits I remove the citation clutter from the lead: no information is lost, Gross's quotation is always there in the lead, and the citation clutter (Gross 2001, Stola 2003, Persak 2011, INR 2002, USHMM) has also been preserved but now is in the body (supporting no "sustained organized activity" could have taken place in the town without the Germans' consent). The edit summary explains Per MOS:LEADCITE, detailed references on Germans' responsability belong to the article body.
 * 15 March 2023. Chumchum7 restores the reference to Stola 2003 in the lead . This creates a repetition in the article: see quotation from Stola starting with The plan was reportedly prepared. The edit summay explains that a reference to Stola is needed mentioning WP:CITENEED but doesn't explain why the first reference to Stola should also contain a (repeated) quotation.
 * 16 March 2023‎. I notice that the quotation from Stola is repeated two times and that the quotation from Persak is repeated three times. I interpret this as a mistake, (which indeed it is) and with three consecutive edits I remove the repetitions but leave the references.

By the way, Chumchum7 is a WP:SOCKLEGIT and I know nothing about the activities of their other account, but it's worth noting that the only article they have substantially edited on this project is Jedwabne pogrom (16.3% of the article is authored by them). Apart from severe bludgeoning the talk page (44% of the talk page is authored by them) they are responsible for the misleading quotation from Gross in the lead:


 * On 31 October 2011 Prospero10 added to the article body a full, not selective quotation from Gross.
 * On 8 November 2019 Chumchum7 separated the quotation on the responsibility of the Germans (undisputed bosses) from the quotation on the responsibility of the Poles (no direct participation of the Germans in the killings), on 4 April 2021 they created the citation clutter on German responsibility, and on 11 December 2021 they added the first part of Gross's quotation (undisputed bosses) to the lead.
 * My edit of 23 February 2023 adding the "missing part" to Gross's quotation (no direct participation of the Germans in the killings) was reverted by Chumchum7 on 10 March 2023 mentioning the need to maintain WP:CONS through WP:BRD.

But the talk page doesn't show a consensus on Chumchum7's selective quotation: the only relevant comment is at 02:21, 25 January 2023, AdrianLot, I am concerned by the Jan T. Gross quotation at the end of paragraph 1. It is very misleading and misrepresentative of his book Neighbors, etc.

History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II

 * 18-27 Dec 2019: Buidhe creates History of the Jews in Dęblin and Irena during World War II
 * 27 Dec: Piotrus removes content about Polish supervisors beating Jewish forced laborers and adds tags:"dubious" to source Farkash ; JoeZ451 (Icewhiz SP) reverts; t/p discussion, Piotrus argues that Farkash is a PhD student making exceptional claims per WP:REDFLAG; Buidhe edits toward consensus.
 * 27 Dec 2019-2 Jan 2020: pre-GA review discussion between Buidhe, Piotrus and Icewhiz SP. Collaborative and policy-compliant discussion (apart from the SP), AGF is very easy. Piotrus is worried by content involving Polish responsability, doubts the quality of the sources, asks for corroboration in other sources, which he gets. Article changes, Farkash is no longer a "historian" and is used as RS with attribution.
 * 6 Mar 2020: GAN, listed; 14 Sep 2020: FAC, promoted. Buidhe continues to work on the article‎ in 2020–2021.
 * 19 May 2021: edit war starts. VM removes text on local ethnic Poles and Home Army being hostile to Jewish fugitives because not what Zimmerman says (see verbatim quotations from source Zimmerman p. 213 and p. 361) and removes simillar claims based on source Farkash because there was some discussions and redflag concerns on this back in Dec 19/Jan 20 but I don't think the edits were ever implemented ; Buidhe restores: This is a featured article. Please get consensus for changes before implemeting them ; VM reverts: if sources are misrepresented then perhaps it SHOULDN'T be a featured article ; Buidhe restores Your claims about the Zimmerman source are baseless, I just double-checked . VM adds tag:POV section . GKB makes mininal inconsequential edit.
 * 19 May: VM joins the t/p discussion, I've tried to implement some of the suggestions and address the concerns made above [by Piotrus] ... However I was reverted by Buidhe with the usual "get consensus" edit summary ... User:Buidhe. Please stop edit warring ... stop using aggressive edit summaries ... I'm taking it up with the person who put the misrepresentation of the source in the article in the first place. You ... Please stop claiming "no consensus! no consensus!" ... use of graduate student's work for WP:REDFLAG claims. In fact you yourself acknowledged these concerns in a positive manner in your comments from December! So why are you reverting now?
 * 23-24 May: edit war continues. VM removes restoring edit per NO CONSENSUS ; Buidhe restores The article passed FAC. The text, therefore, has consensus . GCB removes Buidhe, I’m sorry but WP:ONUS is on you ; Buidhe restores ; VM removes ; DrKay restores ; GCB removes ; DrKay restores removing the contentious word "fugitives".
 * 25-26 May: Chumchum7 adds the tag:"citation needed" ; Z1720 removes ; Chumchum7 restores ; Chipmunkdavis removes.
 * 26 May: Piotrus modifies contentious text and adds Poles helping Jews ; Buidhe reverts with detailed edit summary ; Piotrus removes contentious text ; Buidhe reverts If you insist on restoring pre-dispute versions, the correct version is the one that passed FAC. Don't make deletions without proposing on the talk page per WP:FAOWN. ; VM reverts You can’t quote WP:OWN as a justification for acting like you own the article!
 * 26 May. Ymblanter fully protects. 29-30 May. Virus Swatter (Icewhiz SP?) restores ; GCB reverts.


 * 19 May-27 May 2021, during the edit war, long t/p discussion quotations requests, followed by longer discussions. Notable points: VM disputes that the text refers to "Jewish fugitives"; GCB: Buidhe, could you clarify the major concern VM raised rather than reverting [12]. Such a reaction is not what's expected; Buidhe explains she rephrased per COPYVIO and replaced "Jewish bands" with "Jewish fugitives" per WP:IMPARTIAL; VM disagrees: your statement is both inaccurate and cherry picked ... I would also appreciate it Buidhe, if you made an actual effort to discuss the disagreements and not only when you’re edit warring ... And let me point out, *again*, that some of these issues were already discussed previously back in Dec 19 ... don’t try to construct strawman here. I’m also not interested in your own original research; GCB concurrs with VM; Chipmunkdavis joins and supports Buidhe: The sentences cited to Zimmerman 2015 213 & 361 seem a reasonable reflection of the content per the quote provided; also Z1720 agrees: I think the above text is verified by the sources and I do not understand why it was so important for this text to be removed before consensus was reached; GCB is completely puzzled by their analysis; Piotrus joins We should make it clear that per the source cited, the "fugitives" were stealing resources from the peasants; also Chumchum7 adds to that side of the argument challenging the notion that the local non-Jewish population was hostile to Jewish people (they were hostile because Jews stole food and were communists); Buidhe I hope you agree that we do not want to be reproducing zydokomuna stereotypes on Wikipedia. Informal RfC proposed by GCB: instead of stable version she wants From there on, the discussion becomes TL;DR: around the end of May, no less than 8 proposals were ready for an upcoming RfC. Eventually Z1720 and Buidhe very reluctantly agree to remove the quotation from Zimmerman 361 (12 and 18 June). VM agrees No, looks good, thanks for all the hard work. However, the text with Zimmerman p. 213 and Farkash is never restored. Buidhe has abandoned the article. She explains in an interview with Shira Klein :
 * 31 March 2023. I Restored version that passed as featured article (FAC). Text removed in May-June 2021 without consensus on the talk page VM reverts  and opens a discussion on the t/p with heading "Restarting old disputes" (ongoing)

Zero's arguments
With regard to Zero's arguments (G&K's essay does not consist of facts, it consists of claims … his essay with Klein is not about history and not a work of scholarship … it is especially necessary to treat assertions as claims to be checked, not automatically as statements of fact), I think Arbs should make a distinction between two types of statements in G&K essay.

Some are controversial interpretations on which disagreement is legitimate. When the authors claim that For the last few years, Wikipedia’s articles on the Holocaust in Poland have been shaped by a group of individuals (…) with a Polish nationalist bent. Their Wikipedia names are [party names follow], this is not an authoritative statement of fact on which the Arbs can rely. The peer reviewers didn't bother to check whether the named editors were Polish nationalists who shaped WP articles by inserting deliberate distortions. Peer reviewers need not agree with the essay they are reviewing. That Polish nationalists shaped WP articles is G&K's interpretation, which is legitimate, undoubtedly honest and well-researched – but it's their interpretation, and the Arbs, as well as the reviewers, may or may not agree with it.

Examples of the second type of statement in G&K's essay include "Wikipedia article ‘Rescue of Jews by Poles During the Holocaust’ (...) inflates the number of Polish victims and saviors"; "Wikipedia also downplays the scope and nature of Polish collaboration with the Germans"; "argu[ing] that hundreds of thousands of Jews found shelter in Polish homes is nonsensical", etc. (many more examples in François Robere's evidence). These are not opinions, interpretations, hypotheses, but statements of fact from a reliable source. Two academics would not risk their reputations by making statements like these if the matter were still controversial among scholars: they would only prove to be ignorant and biased. And a conscientious reviewer would not allow them to present as facts statements that are only legitimate opinions.

This is important for Arbs because when they read the talk page discussions they must be in a position to know that sometimes (obviously not always) one side is simply right and the other is simply wrong: e.g., Chodakiewicz's book, Golden Harvest or Hearts of Gold, is not reliable; the administrative and judiciary system in 1945–1947 facilitated the transfer of "abandoned" Jewish property into the hands of ethnic Poles; the insinuation that Jews played a key role in perpetuating the Naliboki massacre echoes distortions popular among right-wing fringe groups (examples from my evidence). On the basis of uncontroversial background knowledge such as this, Arbs must check whether there are editors who are systematically on the wrong side, and who do so with an aggressive and insistent attitude. They must try to understand why editors who put forward the best arguments, the best sources and the best texts are sidelined and succumb in the editorial process.

Arbs must be open to the hypothesis that Icewhiz ("Auschwitz") was very often right: the unbearable frustration of not being able to correct the distortions of the topic area could have turned him into the arch-POV-pusher we loath, commander of legions of socks, ready to do anything to publish his content, heedless of any WP policy and even common decency. If that were the case, than the "argument from Icewhiz" (since Icewhiz made the argument, and Icewhiz is bad, the argument must also be bad) would be particulary deceptive and mistaken. As I told Volunteer Marek here, I believe that it is not not Icewhiz who created Icewhiz's content, but rather it is Icewhiz's content (the need to rebalance the area and the impossibility of doing so) that created the Icewhiz. Addressing the causes of distortions in the topic area's malaise is not only a duty to our readers, but also to our editors, and besides a problem of distortions, there's a health and safety problem that needs to be solved.

Postwar Property Restitution
Prolonged edit war at History of the Jews in Poland between Feb-June 2019. Evidence of misrepresentation of sources, tendentious editing (WP:BATTLEGROUND) and disruptive editing (WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT).


 * 16:37, 22 February 2019 Tatzref adds text on restitution of abandoned property to Jews in postwar Poland reporting that a simplified procedure was set in place, entailing minimal costs, the return of property proceeded smoothly, thousands of claims were successful, there were cases of Jews advancing fraudulent claims. Sources are hard to verify (on paper, in Polish) or fail verification (Icewhiz claims the passage misrepresented a volume edited by Grabowski&Libionka to the point it was libelous in t/p discussion).
 * 23-25 Feb. First edit war between Icewhiz and Yaniv (removing) and Piotrus, Volunteer Marek (VM) and Galassi (restoring), , , , , , . Notable points:


 * 1) uncivil edit summary by Yaniv (rv antisemitic vandalism)
 * 2) despite the explicit request, the sources were made available on the t/p by Tatzref two months later, on 21 April 2019, and the analysis by Piotrus and Icewhiz highlighted serious shortcomings, such as misrepresentation of sources (Grabowski-Libionka, eds., Klucze i Kasa, generally, spec. Skibińska, ivi), undue generalization of local microhistory's findings (Krzyżanowski, ivi), use of primary sources ("American Jewish Year Book", 1947-48) and (from 7 May 2019 onward) extensive reliance on a low-quality (biased or fringe, possibly SPS) source, Golden Harvest or Hearts of Gold? (Leopolis Press, 2012).
 * 22:49, 25 February 2019 TonyBallioni protects.
 * 25 Feb-1 March 2019. AE request against Tatzref (Icewhiz filer). No action taken. VM is T-ban'd for six months, François Robere is blocked for a week. T-ban for VM is overturned on 4 March.
 * 12:23, 12 March 2019 Icewhiz Remove content as it failed verification vs. the cited sources, misused a primary source, and was contradicted by available English RSes. Replace with content cited to academic English-language sources available online. Text reports that Polish gov. placed new limitations on inheritance, de facto preventing restitution to Jews, property of killed Jews and "unproductive and parasite factors" was devolved to the state, lengthy proceedings when Jewish property was occupied by Poles, Jewish heirs often murdered when attempting to reclaim property, extremely small numbers of Jews got property back. Based on high-quality, easily verifiable sources: essay in "Jewish Culture and History", books by CUP , Palgrave , OUP , Harvard UP.
 * 04:28, 7 May 2019 Tatzref reverts Icewhiz and restores an expanded version of their own text, now extensively based on Golden Harvest.
 * 7-20 May. Second edit war between Icewhiz, François Robere (FR) and K.e.coffman (reverting), and Piotrus, VM and My very best wishes (restoring), , and , , ,  (incorporating/merging some of the two competing texts), , , , , ‎, , ,  and , , ‎, , ‎, , . Notable points:


 * 1) Five reverts by VM and FR, four by Icewhiz, three by Piotrus.
 * 2) The analysis of texts and t/p discussion proves conclusively that Icewhiz's text is far better than Tatzref's "improved" text. See also FR's a few more sources in the collapsible box at 17:39, 12 May 2019 in the t/p discussion.
 * 3) Dubious allegation of BLP vio in Tatzref's text made by FR and Icewhiz here, conclusive evidence of misrepresentation of source Krzyżanowski here and misrepresentation of source Skibińska here.
 * 4) After Icewhiz and FR on 15-16 May published 3,500 words demolishing Tatzref's sources (misrepresentation of Krzyzanowski and Skibińska), the first to reply in the t/p is VM with This is a general level article. All kinds of details and speculations and academic arguments belong in dedicated article on the subject, not here  (WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT).
 * 5) 17 May-6 June, RSN thread on Golden Harvest or Hearts of Gold?, opened by Piotrus (see also here on t/p), followed by RfC opened by FR (result: not an RS, 9 July).


 * 03:37, 20 May 2019 El C protects This edit war has gone on for long enough. 30-31 May AE request against VM (Icewhiz filer) referred to ArbCom.
 * 3-4 June. Final skirmish: 19:03, 3 June 2019‎ FR restores Icewhiz's text; 20:26, 3 June 2019‎ VM reverts I'm sorry, but no such consensus was achieved. Can you please provide a link where this consensus you claim exists was formed? At RSN, the discussion tended to the opposite conclusion. Furthermore EVEN IF there are issues with one particular source that does not justify making OTHER mass deletions of sourced text or unsupported changes; 02:51, 4 June 2019‎ K.e.coffman restores pointing to this discussion. Notable points: this and this comment by VM (WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:BATTLEGROUND).

Naliboki massacre, 2018-2019
With regard to Jewish partisans being responsible for the Naliboki massacre. Background knowledge: that is not supported by historical evidence, since basically no RS says that the massacre was made by Jewish partisans in general nor by the Bielski partisans in particular. Some eyewitnesses reported that the killings were carried out by Bielski partisans/by Jews, but subsequent historical research found no documentary evidence. In the 2000s Polish nationalists began blaming Jews, possibly as a balancing counterweight to the culpability of Poles in the Jedwabne pogrom.

Since February-March 2018 various edits from IP and Yaniv adding/removing claims about the Jewish ethnicity of the perpetrators; March 2018, Icewhiz removes FRINGE, UNDUE, BLPCRIME. This enough space for this error.


 * Notable point: extensive section on "Bielski partisans" (Jews). The section is nearly 50% of the text of the article. It doesn't say that the Jews were responsible (because it can't - no RS supports that claim) but is inherently, paradigmatically WP:UNDUE. It ends with the words Nevertheless, the presence of several Jewish residents of Naliboki during the massacre has also been confirmed by their names.

VM reverts WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT and WP:IJUSTDONTLIKE it are not valid reasons for POVing an article. Rmv spurious tags.; Icewhiz removes revert. Promotion of FRINGE theories. COATRACKing. NPOV. Use of non-RS (interim documents of an politically appointed investigative agency who did not choose to prosecute in the end ; VM restores text pointing to t/p discussion. T/p discussion shows that VM is aware of IPN investigation (in Polish) concluding there's no evidence they were Jewish, e.g. Please. Stop. Making. Shit. Up. The article DOES NOT promote any fringe theories. The article freakin' says that the Bielskis were NOT there, according to sources from the IPN (13:56, 15 March 2018).

June 2018 Icewhiz removes The IPN has since revised its interim investigative reports - going to "this is one of many versions", onwards to "some witnesses said this, but didn't provide a basis for it", to omitting it all together in later reports ; VM reverts while you can expand on the text, please don't just remove well sourced text.

July 2018 Yaniv removes, IP address restores you are attempting to whitewash Jewish crimes by removing cited sources of perpetrators ; Yaniv stop disrupting ; VM restores because you can't claim "this is being discussed on talk page" when you yourself haven't made a single comment there (and are here just to revert on someone else's behalf) ; Icewhiz removes Remove non rs (talk at hist club). Removing singling out of a single possible ethnicity in Soviet unit. Stable ver from 23 March is withoutthis ; Yaniv includes text The IPN has said that there was no supporting documentation for this premise [Jew partisans did it] + sources and removes text and sources involving Jews partisans ; Tatzref restores  and removes new content.

February 2019 IP’s well-argued edit summary I removed the very problematic generalizing statement that Jewish partisans were perpetrators. This is still very much a debated question and if individuals were involved it was part of a Soviet attack ; VM restores (no edit summary). VM keeps on restoring contents about Jews partisans being possible perpetrators of the massacre because... well, there were Jews among the partisans, were they not? Text includes The IPN historian Kazimierz Krajewski reported that in the forest around Lida some 25% of the partisans were Jewish. 

Last step in the saga: after G&K's article was published, new users, including me, landed on the page to clean it up. TrangaBellam and I got a little upset with Marcelus, who was still very interested in reconstructing the movements of the Jewish partisans in the forest, to the point that he made an edit war on this (GizzyCatBella concurring on the talk page). It ended up at AE but the article is now in decent conditions, and the reading of the section Unsubstantiated claims of Jewish perpetrators is quite instructive.


 * One final point, sorry. G&K paper involves Piotrus in the Naliboki saga, Various editors over the years tried to fix these edits, but they were brought back by Piotrus and by his like-minded colleague, Volunteer Marek. This is unfair. G&K share these two diffs by Piotrus, which look well within AGF to me and, in the case of the second one, entirely harmless. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 23:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Not submitted as evidence

 * Icewhiz adds info on the self defense unit collaborating with the Nazi police in the killing of hidden Jews, source 2012 book on mass killings by Macmillan International, GizzyCatBella reverts this is false, see talk page ; once restored, Volunteer Marek removes again the source is not even on topic and can't verify it , and GizzyCatBella
 * Icewhiz removes editorializing/POV language describing the action of the Soviet partisans as murder of peasants by way of terrorizing them ; MyMoloboaccount and GizzyCatBella restore: the fact that they obtained provisions by terrorizing the villagers is rather important

Collaboration was insignificant (March 2023)

 * 1) My bold edit 03:15, 4 March 2023 Removed dubious and poorly sourced content: 1) It is false that "There is general consensus" among historians that collaboration was insignificant. E.g., Claus-Peter Friedrich explicitly rejects that thesis and also Grabowski 's study on the Blue Policy is incompatible with it; 2) That thesis can be attributed to Lukas (biased if not unreliable) and Connelly, but not to quoted essay of Carla Tonini.
 * 2) VM restores 04:26, 4 March 2023 since it looks like it's well sourced and is relevant but remove the claim of "consensus". Text now is "Several scholars have stated that, unlike in Western Europe, Polish collaboration with the Nazi Germans was insignificant.   "
 * 3) 02:29, 5 March 2023 WP:WEASEL to be addressed. Added template:Who. Text now is "Several scholars have stated that, unlike in Western Europe, Polish collaboration with the Nazi Germans was insignificant.   "

Poeticbent

 * History of the Jews in Poland, 17:18, 12 June 2009 (content) + 16:59, 18 May 2016 (editing) Poeticbent adds 3 fringe claims & misrepresentations of sources:


 * 1) "growing tensions between Jews and Poles" in inter-war Poland were the product of an increasing proportion of Jews living "separate lives". Quoted source (Ilya Prizel) says the opposite: an increasing proportion of Jews living separate lives ("a reversal of assimilation") was the product of growing tensions between Jews and Poles, i.e. antisemitism ("the rejection of Jews on both religious and racial grounds");
 * 2) growing tensions were also caused by the influx of Russian Jews escaping persecution especially in Ukraine; none of the quoted sources (Kadish, Gitelman and Engelking Boni) supports this claim;
 * 3) "Increase in anti-semitic activity in pre-war Poland was nevertheless typical of anti-semitism found in other parts of Europe at that time"; quoted source (Szaynok, in Robert Blobaum's book at p. 277) does not support this claim.

10:35, 25 March 2019Kostja notes point sub 2) and adds tag:citation needed. Fix


 * History of the Jews in Poland, 17:53, 17 August 2009 Poeticbent adds misrepresentation of source (Melzer). The claim about the campaign for Jewish emigration being based not on antisemitism but on objective social and economic factor cannot be attributed to the source; as reported by Melzer, it summarises the argument made by the Polish government in international fora. Fix
 * Anti-Jewish violence in Poland, 1944–1946, 19:54, 4 January 2009 Poeticbent adds The number of Jewish victims is a subject of debate also, because among them were the Stalinist functionaries of the new political order assassinated without ulterior motives; at 18:08, 10 January 2009 Piotrus modifies numerous Stalinist functionaries - "numerous" is not supported by quoted RS; recent research says 84 individuals were supporters of the new government out of more than 1,000 victims. Fix

VM's allegations of harassment

 * In his first evidence submission concerning me, VM says that Before February 15, 2023 Gitz6666 had made ZERO edits to this topic and that all of sudden, beginning with the opening of the request for this case (February 13), they began editing this area intensively. This is imprecise. I started editing the topic area on 9 February and than from 10 February 2023  onward. I'm a bit disappointed that VM doesn't remember this because on 11 February he "thanked" me for this comment, which I invite you to read carefully because it falls within the scope of this case and comes from the alleged harasser.

Truth is, I did not follow VM from one topic area to another (nor did I wikihound him in the Russo-Ukrainian topic area, where I never followed his edits and indeed distinctly remember that on some occasions I avoided editing certain articles for the sole reason that he was active there). I did not follow VM to Holocaust in Poland (HiP) but I started editing there after the publication of G&K paper and because of that publication (for the purpose stated here – to correct errors). At first I did so very reluctantly precisely because of VM's involvement, as is evident from this these two diffs ; I invite you to read the second one, and then, as it happens, I became passionate about the topic, as I explained here. There's been nothing provocative or disruptive in my edits at HiP, which indeed on a few occasions have been kindly appreciated by GizzyCatBella, Horse Eye's Back , Piotrus (several "thanks"), TrangaBellam and VM himself (I think most of your edits are fine ). The opening of this case had no effect on my decision to edit here: it was neither a reason to do so nor a reason not to do so. The interactions with VM have been rare, have taken place mainly on my user talk page (here and here) and have not been hostile at all. Besides, this thread on the t/p of "Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust", after VM had reverted some of my edits, shows that I have no difficulty in interacting with him cooperatively.

The only exception to this mutual collaborative attitude was the incident at Jedwabne pogrom, which I reported here as evidence. In this regard, I am sorry that VM refuses to understand my complaint. Commenting that someone is doing WP:OR is not tendentious and uncivil in and of itself – I agree – but if you comment that someone is doing OR and are not able to point to their information/fact/allegation/thesis that is not supported by sources, either you don't know what "OR" means and are lacking competence, or you're trying to debase your interlocutor and mislead the others. I trust Volunteer Marek's WP:COMPETENCE. This edit summary mentioning OR and fairly inaccurate reading of the source IMHO is tendentious and uncivil because VM knew perfectly well that my reading of Gross was accurate and that our disagreement did not revolve around an OR.

Anyway, these are trifles. I'm sure I have done nothing that deserves sanction, but there's much truth in what VM implies about our experiences in the Russo-Ukrainian topic area being related to my attitude and submissions in this case. In fact, my opinions about VM's editing were formed in the RU topic area, were very negative and were confirmed by what I read in the G&K paper and found in the HiP topic area. So I'm not looking for revenge, but I don't claim to be an unbiased and uninvolved editor either. I made that very clear from the beginning, when in my preliminary statement I said that I was formally an uninvolved editor in this topic area (emphasis added) because In the Holocaust in Poland topic area I see the same users (at least four of them) and the same practices that led to my recent topic ban from the Russo-Ukrainian war. I also said that I feared that the pattern of problematic behaviour and the network of collaborations that led to systematic bias in Holocaust in Poland might be exported and applied elsewhere, leading to more tendentious editing and low-quality coverage of politically sensitive subjects, which means that I agree with Wugapodes when they say that "a strict division between conduct in the case's topic area and conduct in the Russo-Ukrainian topic area limits our understanding of conduct in this topic area". Gitz (talk) (contribs) 03:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In his second evidence submission concerning me, VM says that I have been digging out edits [of him] from 2009 and that this qualifies as wikihounding. He finds evidence of this in a sandbox of mine, this one (as it was on 31 March) and shares this illustration of wikihounding.

My comment: I did not research VM's activities since 2009; it would take forever to chack VM's activities back to 2009. Even if I were the worst hate-filled wikihounder in history, I wouldn't see the point, since no one gets sanctioned for what they did ages ago. However, when I started editing the HiP area, I came across article contents based on selective and misleading quotations of sources, falsification of sources or subtle vandalism disguised as verifiable content. In view of the upcoming ArbCom case, it came natural to me to use "WikiBlame" and check who was responsible. In most cases it was Poeticbent, who is no longer active on this project; on one occasion it was Volunteer Marek. I took note of this and added a diff + comment in a sendbox of mine where I keep material related to the ArbCom case. Volunteer Marek sifted through my sandboxes, as he is used to do (see here, this thing with you combing my sandbox is not healthy) and found his old edit. Now, I don't understand why VM is so eager to let the ArbCom know that he was already pushing the Polish nationalist POV back in 2009, but note that it is he, and not I, who is submitting this as evidence. From my point of view, his 2009 edit demonstrates, at most, his consistency, coupled with an early misunderstanding of what this project is about (NPOV, V, NOR as core policies), but no actual policy violation worth mentioning. I therefore kept it in my sandbox and did not intend to present it here. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 10:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying this. I'm worried, however, by the demonstrable evidence of a combative nature between two named parties bit. With regard to this, I can provide you with all the evidence you need: a well-reasoned and comprehensive "confession", so to speak, that I'm now submitting as "evidence".

Since June 2022 I've argued that VM's editing is tendentious, disruptive and uncivil, and I've done so on numerous occasions. I'm aware that per WP:AOTE this can be seen as a personal attack. However, note the following:


 * 1) I've always made my accusations in the appropriate fora to address behaviour - ANI, AE and user talk pages (e.g. ). Contrary to VM, I don't use article talk pages and edit summaries to cast aspersions (t/p discussions: e.g.,, , , , , , ,  edit summaries: , , , , , : purely indicative, highly incomplete list);
 * 2) I've always substantited my accusations with diffs, e.g. at ANI, this post leading to WP:BOOMERANG and my T-ban from the RU area ;
 * 3) I've never harassed and wikihounded VM. In particular, I did not do so at Torture in Ukraine, which was on my WL, nor at Marxism-Leninism, where I commented in an RfC, and I regularly take part to RfCs, as I explained to VM . As far as I remember, the only time I came upon an article by consulting VM's list of contributions was at Vita Zaverukha and here I explained how this happened and the reason why I was checking VM's contributions.

In my interactions with VM I'm usually polite and respectful (which is not reciprocated). I have no grudge against him and no personal animosity. However, on the basis of my repeated and unpleasant experiences, I have come to the conviction that he is often tendentious, disruptive and uncivil when editing on a topic he's passionate about.

I did not start editing the HiP topic area because of the upcoming ArbCom case (in fact, I started editing before, on 9 Feb 2023 ) but because of the publication of G&K paper (as this 10 Feb comment makes clear ) Given my past experiences with VM, I had no difficulty believing the paper. Therefore I'm not, and don't pretend to be, "unbiased" and detached in this case: I'd like to persuade others that VM's editing may be harmful to the encyclopedia and to its editors. Is this a sign of my "combative nature"? If so, please tell me now and, without the need to apply sanctions, I will refrain from presenting evidence against him. If, on the other hand, my contribution can be helpful, then please don't sanction me for that contribution. Note that these are exactly the same things I told VM on my talk page on 12 February 2023, where you can find all the evidence you need :