User:Glen Dillon/Archive 2

Wanting to quickly forget my first serious stuff-up (albeit accidental) on Wikipedia, I felt compelled to send the previous contents of this page to archive-land. At least I've learned how to archive a talk page.

Don't let an almost empty page stop you from leaving a message here for me--Glen Dillon (talk) 09:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dec officer eh? well youre pretty close to the mark on most of the stuff on the talk page - I had an almost country town booth - and I must say the feds are usualy better (AEC) at their stickler for detail attitude in conduct - the WAEC seems to have been caught out a bit by carps - will be very interesting to see what happens about the provisional issues - but hey off wiki talk for that - cheers SatuSuro 03:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the stress on some DO and RO's is showing - from what I have observed in my neck of the woods - all you need is one booth/polling place to have had a major cockup - and if its in a district that is on the wire - I think the lack of backup that the waec gives these days will really see some guys want to walk away from the mess without cleaning up - and some very clever use of smoke and sand and archiving where possible :P SatuSuro 13:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

responding via email--Glen Dillon (talk) 13:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

signature test --Glen Dillon 02:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC) test--user:Glen Dillon 02:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC) test--Glen Dillon 02:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah youre doin fine aint need approval from anyone - youre one of us now no big deal - just make sure you put it up at the wa project page to let us know youve started it and our fine troop of tweakers can give it a once over - hy very important art - thanks for starting it (ex seismic processor speaking here) SatuSuro 13:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Cats are important to give a sense of what oyu know you are doing - at least Category:Petroleum stubs and western australia - cn do with hot cat which you can enable in your pref if you look SatuSuro 14:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ok. I had enabled that sometime ago and but I've only used it when uploading images on Commons. So by clicking at the bottom of an existing page and selecting a category and clicking the 'tick', that action then adds the article to the category for all to see, huh? So modifying an article's category parameters is kind of pseudo-editing then? One other thing - I added the article to the new artcle list as you suggested but it didn't seem approporiate to sign my post because it was list. Gone back to look and a bot has signed my post but something 'doesn't look right'. Does the template code 'hide' the signature in such sections? like  Sorry to be a bother! GlenDillon 14:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Dont be so bloody polite - hey we dont sign at new arts - i went in and cleaned up - gnangarra and moondyne will look at yours and mine (vegetation publications) - my thing is that to get through aggressive recent change patrollers you need to have more than one ref - some categories (stubcats are always the best when starting an art) - the tags at the back tying it into a project (my bias as i have tagged thousands) - and anything that might ward off geographically challenged oggle obsessed humourless nerds - so regional or national contexts always important for places - broader subjects - tie in the whole state stuff - broad categories (Western australia) and cites and refs - and links with others arts SatuSuro 14:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Bravo!
Bravo! The first wikipedia rule for new and good faith contributors is Be Bold!. There's virtually nothing that can't be undone and you're going fine. Sats' asked me to comment re the tie-in's, but I'm not too worried about that at this time. We have so few articles with good content, they can easily be merged later if necessary. Economy of Western Australia is my bug bear but I just can't get myself motivated enough to jump in and finish it. Feel free if you'd like to make a contribution (please).

As for tagging your own articles, I do it all the time. Its technically not the done thing but as long as you stay fairly conservative there's not going to be any problem. A typical small garden variety WA article is tagged like this:

. The ratings are subjective but you'll feel your way around I'm sure.

Sing out if you need a hand, or someone is always around at WT:WA. Moondyne 14:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome! Thought something like that might've have been a year away...even though I don't know that it is deserved, I accept it graciously and I'll do my best to keep contributing not only on petroleum but WA-related articles generally. Appreciated enormously and same goes for the support generally from you and the other 3/4 WA editors I've connected/collaborated with so far (and they know who they are!). Its been fun. Cheers.GlenDillon 15:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A well deserved barnstart as i call em - possibly the use of a sub page might be a good idea (I await a moondyne contradiction on this :)  where you create most of the extra stuff with the headings on a sub page of your user page - if you look at the bottom of moondynes or i contribs pages the system now identifies our sub pages - (all you need is to expand the heading parts on that - keeping the main space article clean until you add the stuff with the text - just a suggestion - cheers SatuSuro 01:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note - welcome to Wikiproject WA! :) Somno (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * re: last two posts above - thanks. Good advice re: headers and creating a 'working copy' which I've now done. Even before seeing your post I thought 'gotta get rid of all those headers' - apart from wanting to keep within conventions for new articles, I thought that it would be offputting to potential editors seeing the article as it stood. It's one thing for me to have ideas for the page but it 'aint MY page' & not up to me to prescribe the structure for others which is an impression some might have formed already!  Somno: -thanks- just noticed from your contribs. the article on Varanus incident. pretty comprehensive treatment. Will read it in detail tonight & work up a two-sentence summary & linkback from the petroleum articleGlenDillon 07:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I work on articles in a subpage or offline in a text or Word file - I second (or "third") the suggestion to do that with the headings you're still working on. Feel free to improve the gas crisis article - there are parts that need updating, and it needs a better lead section! Haha, just thought I'd add that as Moondyne's already added a plea for the Economy of WA article - all trying to shorten our to-do lists! If you don't have a to-do list yet, don't worry, you'll have one soon enough... Then you can just ignore it, like I do with mine most of the time. ;) Somno (talk) 10:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

When you have thousands of loose threads like me to do lists get in the way :) SatuSuro 10:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sandgropers
In all my life I've never seen one (as far as I know). I understood that they were fairly difficult to find and lived most of the time underground. I suppose that I should make a point of rectifying this. Moondyne 12:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Just adding a stub link to the petroleum art - it will need massaging with more refs tho :( SatuSuro 12:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm on to it. Been preparing additional content offline - it'll be placed tomorrow. Will then ensure there are tie-ins and appropriate links to the existing petroleum-related articles, then another pass looking at citations and verifications and refining/polishing text etc. It'll be good when you and others take a merciless look at it - thanks for holding off till now. I'll square off the petroleum article - by Friday - then I intend to take a look at Mining in WA. One thing at a time.GlenDillon 14:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow
Amazing - probably the only state in Australia to have such an editor and brilliant article like that! whoosh! (petroleum in wa is beyond a late seismic coders wildest dreams) SatuSuro 03:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * hi SatuSuro- Late seismic coder? you aint dead yet! Appreciate your comments.  Felt I had to do something to justify the award from Moondyne last week! Article is getting there but not quite. Still contains many 'unverified claims' (per your comments above) which I can support with independent sources just haven't placed the citations yet. I'd say its about 80% done. Some parts need filling out and balancing a bit. Due to the lack of useful graphics available I've had to create them myself - just hope this isn't seen by others as problemmatic re:WP:OR etc. The visual content carries a fair bit of informaton, so in creating and uploading it I've carefully documented the data sources so there's a 'paper trail' enabling verification. My background in the industry might expose me to WP:NPOV claims (ie using the article to 'advocate' the industry) but I assure that I have no 'vested interest' and couldn't care less what is written in Wikipedia about the industry although I personally find it an interesting topic and I'm just trying to make a useful contribution to the WA Wikipedia project. Anyway, from next week I'll switch focus to other subjects like mining, WA/Aust Economy or whatever else. GlenDillon 03:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I am intrigued by the absence of the land based basins in your map (a preference for marine ops?) considering the number of trees dropped (or should that be fine cotton rag waste considering the quality of paper used in the books about the prospectivity of antartica i have seen in my brother in laws collection) about the canning,officer, and other basins - is that a freudian or fast fourier transform slip of the map pen? (you dont have to answer than on wiki :) - cheers - and dont go to mining just yet - I have a request for extra info for the canning and perth basins at least SatuSuro 09:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Resident expert
On plane crashes - Moondyne - best checking with him! SatuSuro 22:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There's not a skerrick of truth in that statement. Moondyne 06:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * His edit history says otherwise SatuSuro 07:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Old photos
As you know, any pre-1955 photos are in the public domain. What you may not know is the easiest way to tag a license onto these pics is to use PD-Australia, here or at Commons. Cheers. Moondyne 14:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's really helpful because I find the process of uploading images 'messy'. Like you and the other WA guys, I take the copyright issues very seriously and try to give as much supporting info as possible but I seem to spend a lot of time on each image upload writing about the relevant Aust copyright law etc. GlenDillon 14:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

old stuff
I find i have edition one and two of wilkinsons thirst - not indexed but some juicy bits - do you have it? or am i mentioning a book not in your vocab (impressed by your use of online info - i am much a dead tree utiliser) SatuSuro 14:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

could not resist respelling your tasman bridge piccie - tas is a mania for sure but not a manania! nah nah :) SatuSuro 14:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Haven't got it but read it a decade ago back in my WAPET days. He is THE SOURCE for petroleum history so I should pop down to my local lib or up to Murdoch Uni and take some notes from whatever Rick Wilkinson texts are available. The history section I've just added is patchy - cobbled together from the slim online sources available (+ one book which I co-authored in 2003). Just noticed I've accidentally deleted the stuff about Carnarvon Basin in the Geo section. Will fix that tomorrow. GlenDillon 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you ever wanted to meetup in real life i could lend you my two copies - ill be in hobart for very short time in december - you want me to take another piccie with my woopie doo new digital? SatuSuro 15:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah good idea to meet for a coffee/chat - though I have an aversion to borrowing books! (apart from library books that is) Always happy to lend out my own but don't like borrowing books from friends out of a fear that I might forget to return one! Re:Tasmania - great if you can. The recent ones I've uploaded are pretty ugly (not surprising considering they are cuts from video shot w/out tripod) but I thought that the bridge disaster article was crying out for some illustrative graphics of any quality.GlenDillon 15:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought there was either a RC or inquiry in detail on a pdf in tas - ah but maybe (C) ? SatuSuro 15:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI

 * In case your interested Gnangarra 16:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just before seeing your message here, coincidentally I'd stumbled on the notice via a different pathway and have added my name to the list. Thanks anyway, appreciate it.GlenDillon 17:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tasman Bridge
No worries, it's a fine article. I had no idea about the social impact of the disaster ... it can't have been fun at all for people living in the eastern suburbs of Hobart. Graham 87 06:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was one of two aspects of the disaster that had always fascinated me. The first time I heard about the disaster was a former Hobart resident telling me about the disruptions to personal relationships - though she was only a child in 1975 she recounted stories of broken families and east-west friendships that couldn't be sustained. Made me think: what if all the metro bridges across the Swan were suddenly and simultaneously lost? The other aspect was the lucky escape re: the two cars that stopped on the edge.  One of the photos in the article shows a 1975 Monaro coupe and a 1960 Holden wagon - both with the front wheels over the edge. Frank Manley's Monaro had the 5-litre V8 engine. I've seen another photo of the car taken from the top of the bridge - the edge of the bridge was actually aligned with the steering wheel  - about 20cm back from the hinge on the driver's door. The car had "bottomed" on the auto transmission. Frank was still driving that car as recently as 2005.GlenDillon 07:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Tim Flannery
The simple answer is your allowed to do anything which is not vandalism. It could actually be rated B, although I'd like to see some more about his early life. If you like assessing articles of course you can sign on at WikiProject Australia/Assessment.--Grahame (talk) 02:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Amana Info
Hi Glen, my uncle was killed in the Amana disaster in 1950. I have several photos of the crash site, but did not know of the film footage you referenced. I am very keen to see and perhaps get a copy of the film / video. I have not used wiki before and I am not sure of the best way to communicate with you. I will return here to check for comments. Thanks in advanced. Phill 23:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmorony (talk • contribs)


 * Hi. The film footage I have is not extensive. The segment on the Amana is only about 90 seconds long, from a program of about 90 minutes duration. I have it in digital format (about 5 Gb .avi file) but I can easily slice the Amana section out as a separate file.  Anyway, happy to help you. I have other material about the Amana which is not in the article due to copyright restrictions.  Feel free to email me (click on the 'EMail this user' link) and I'll reply. I understand the Amana crash site is now a farm paddock.  Is that right? GlenDillon 23:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Tonight I'll edit out the newsreel footage of the Amana plane crash - then I'll save it in various video formats - mpeg, avi, divx, wmv - you should be able to view at least one or two of these formats. I'll then put the files on my webserver. Each will probably be about 60Mb in size. Then if you email me I'll reply with a link for you to click on so that you can download one or more of them to your own machine (hope you've got a broadband connection! If not, then we'll try something else - eg I could burn a CD & post it to you.)--GlenDillon 07:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Glen, i have sent email. Yes you are correct, the crash site is on a farm paddock. I have been there although the location is not publicised. I have other photos etc. Look forward to hearing from you. Rgs Phill  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmorony (talk • contribs) 09:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've responded by email and included a link to the video file. I'm interested in the photos and other stuff about the Skymaster crash that you've mentioned.  Are they in hard copy or digital files? If they add something to the article, they are your photos, and you don't mind 'publishing' them on WP, then maybe you could make your first contribution to Wikipedia.  The editing process is pretty straight forward. I could do it for you of course if you are unsure; its entirely up to you, Phil. Regards, --GlenDillon 12:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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Yo
Heya, can you please take a look at what I've changed in "our" article (WP:OWN issues aside, I don't think you referring to it as "my" article is fair, considering how much work we've both put into it!) when you get a chance, and make sure I haven't changed the meaning of something by mistake? Are the three bullet points under "Technical investigation by NOPSA" direct quotes from the report? I think the article's looking pretty good; what do you think about trying for GA status? :) Somno (talk) 06:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. I've had more than just a quick look at your edits but in light of your suggestion re: GA status I'll go through the whole article carefully tonight. Staying in NYE so will get a chance to catch up on some WP tasks that I've neglected of late. Anyway - looks to me that you've covered it well. Your edits today were important refinements and instances where you may have altered the meaning are all improvements.


 * Re: the three bullet points - are they direct quotes from NOPSA report? Ans = Yes and No!! Each is word for word exact, except that I deleted 3 or 4 redundant words at the end of each of the three sentences.  I will scan and OCR the 2-page exec summary from the report and post it somewhere in my user space and leave you a link somewhere - you can then see for yourself.


 * There's only one change you've made which I would query. I stress 'query' because chances are your edit is gramatically correct. I'm referring to the 2nd last paragraph in the Senate Inquiry section.  "...gas consumption "was misplaced as (households) only directly account for around three to five per cent of overall gas consumption."  I had enclosed the term "households" in square brackets, you changed it to standard brackets.  The actual report text was as follows: "On the other hand, it was also suggested that this emphasis on households reducing consumption was misplaced as they only directly account for around three to five per cent of overall gas consumption."  I saw it as an important point, worth quoting, but I also wanted to economise on words. So I provided some context then paraphrased the last part of that sentence.  The original text used the 3rd person personal pronoun "they" which I replaced with the term "households" and enclosed my replacement term in square brackets to indicate that the term thus enclosed did not in fact appear in the original text from which the extract was drawn. Why did I do this? To be honest, I don't know (!) except that I've always done it whether I'm writing formal reports, letters, emails whatever. I would use a round-ish bracket to explain something about the term, clause or phrase immediately proceeding the bracketed term.  On seeing that you'd changed the type of bracket, my first thought was: "the use of round-ish brackets doesn't make it clear that I'd altered the quote."  Maybe it doesn't make a shred of difference what type of bracket is used.  Maybe I've been writing this way for so long, and my use of square brackets is nothing but a bad grammatical habit.  Sorry about turning this into an essay! Anyway - I stress - its only a query. I'm not going to edit your edit.


 * Finally - your comments regarding "ownership" of the article etc: Point taken. My referring to it as "your article" was merely my way of giving credit where 80% of the credit was due. Agree with the sentiments you express in your post above. The article is thus even more meaningful to me now as it is officially my first Wikipedia collaboration. I've got one more bit to add to the article -prob. tonight - two sentences (properly referenced of course) which draw a parallel between the 2008 WA crisis and the 1998 Victorian gas crisis - similar order of magnitude and they both started with a major explosion at a gas plant. After that, lets discuss GA status.  Cheers, thanks etc. --GlenDillon 12:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year! Square brackets are correct; I think I was concerned the wiki formatting would change the word into a link like, but I didn't actually check and just changed them to round brackets to be safe. Bit silly of me really. Somno (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for saying that; you pretty much said what I couldn't think how to say. I'm gutted. :-( Hesperian 12:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah - Moondyne's departure was a surprise to me; not sure but perhaps less of a surprise to others like yourself who know him well...anyway I sense that his retirement will be sharply felt by many editors esp. in WA (i.e. the usual suspects!) Just thought it was appropriate to add something which recognised the enormity of his contributions.GlenDillon 07:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Tasman Bridge Disaster
Hi, How did you get into this article? Have you lived in Tassie in the past? (Just a question) Aaroncrick (talk) 05:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. Interest in the subject goes back about 15 years, apart from a general interest and curiosity re: engineering and aviation disasters. Girlfiend at the time grew up in Hobart & knew a great deal about the social effects of the disaster (even though she would have only been about 5 at the time of the collapse) and the stuff she told me was compelling & fascinating and stuck in my mind. Years later - 2002 I think - I visited Tassie for the first time, to speak at a conference (completely unrelated to the bridge disaster) - which is when I took three of the photos in the article. Only there for a week but spent every bit of spare time I had at the State Library reading about the disaster. Didn't take notes unfortunately because I never thought that one day I'd contribute to an article in an online encyclopedia on the subject. While I was in Hobart I had an idea to put together an amateur video documentary on the subject - just something 'fun' to share with my mates - so I did stuff like mounting my DV camera on the dashboard of my rental car and filmed driving across the bridge - so I could simulate the disaster from a motorist's perspective. I even rowed a dinghy out to the 19th pylon and filmed the bridge from underneath! Never did anything with the footage of course - though I've kept it all. Thing is - I did the filming in the daytime, not realising that the disaster occurred at 9:30pm!  What I've written about the social effects is all based on documented sources as cited. I made a comment (more an invitation) on the article's talk page back in October that Hobart locals would be in a better position to evaluate/edit what I'd written, but no-one has changed anything much, after 3 or 4 months. Anyway, I hope that I've done justice to the article's subject and also that I've answered your question!--GlenDillon 07:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

That's fantastic! I wondered because there are barely any edits on Tasmanian related articles. The edits that are made, stick out like a fish out of water. You've done a fantastic job on the article so far, keep it going. :) Aaroncrick (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It would be great to get a good image of the bridge as all images aren't great. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: your list of High Court Justices...help needed
Hi Stephen. Sorry to bother you with something minor, but I recently updated your excellent table of High Court Judges by editing the template directly. I'm only a novice, so if there's another editing step required in order for the 'transclusion' to flow through to the list article, I've apparently missed it. (Maybe I wasn't supposed to edit the template. ???) Would you mind taking a look when you have an opportunity? GlenDillon 09:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * problem fixed now, my updated version of your table now appears correctly in the list article though I'm sure I went about it entirely the wrong way (two steps - deleted the table from article, saved, then immediately replaced it. It sucked up the updated template perfectly. GlenDillon 13:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, good that it's all sorted. For the future, if you're having trouble seeing an edit you've just made, it may be that your browser is still showing the old version of the page, so you can try refreshing your cache, or try forcing the server to refresh its own cache (see here for more info). There can be an additional source of delay with templates as the software goes through each page that the template is transcluded into, and updates that page; this can take a while if the job queue is long.
 * Don't forget you can also check whether your edit was successfully saved by looking at the page history. --bainer (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Goldfields water
Thanks for doing stuff on that - it was in effect abandoned after it was got to a certain stage - I had always dreamed that moondyne and others would help it to GA status - but ven now i think it is a long way to go - anyways im off - speak to you some other time SatuSuro 14:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Good to hear from you. Yeah - saw the history - you and Moondyne and a few of the other WA editors have done a good job. I found the article after seeing a docco about the pipeline on ABC1 tonight. Not a bad show by the way - locally produced. Anyway - I just focussed on some minor engineering aspects tonight but I'll have a close look at the rest of article tomorrow. As for a 'long way to go' - I'm not so sure - all the makings of a GA are there - its just refinement needed. GlenDillon 15:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a magnificent recent history that could be easily accessed that could help SatuSuro 23:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: Your recent edit of Western Australia I owe you an explanation...
Firstly, I would like to thank you for assuming good faith with my edit, and for rectifying the mistakes I "perpetrated". Plus, I would like to apologise for editing that article without doing much research first.

Regarding the reference to Perth as 'one of the most isolated cities in the world', I was originally planning to insert that statement in the caption of an image of Perth, however, I noticed that it would just complicate and lengthen things up. Therefore, I decided to put it in the geography section of the article instead.

Oh, and by the way, is there anything I can do to improve this article, geographically? I would love to help out, if necessary. Acs 4b T C U 05:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * thanks for your reply, and I just noticed something else - you correctly removed the second wikilink of Perth - I mistakenly assumed you had linked it. I need to take more care! Apologies to you. I'll fix my error. My final bullet point above is thus struck out, and redirected to myself. As for your offer to improve geographical aspects of the article - just go ahead and edit or else leave a comment on the article's talk page first if you prefer. Whatever. cheers.GlenDillon 10:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Glen, it was remiss of me to not stop by sooner to say thanks for that. I admit to feeling a bit sheepish that I come back a bit sooner than I intended—activity is scaled back a fair bit though. Regards. Djanga 01:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Took me a little while to figure out who you were.  Didn't see the "this user was formerly known as..." sign on your page initially but figured it out from some clues in stuff that Sats and Hesperian had written recently.  Anyway - welcome back and, as for my farewell message on your old user page - no worries. If you should happen to suddenly disappear in another 5 years I'll probably say the same thing again!  Cheers. GlenDillon 08:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just adding my $0.02 worth. Hopefully Djanga doesn't disappear for a long time :)  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 10:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Petroleum_in_Western_Australia SatuSuro 23:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

10 canoés, 150 lances et 3 épouses (in WP:fr) : merci pour les 2 photos
Hello Glen ! Thanks a lot for your 2 photos ("Goyder River", & "Poster : ceremony country") I used in my additions on the french WP article about the film Ten canoes (a film which is for me an invaluable masterpiece). Wish I could use one of your excellent photos in my Donald Thomson  on WP:fr : if you see one particularly fit, please feel free to add it, I'll be delighted. Thanks again ( incidentally, today happens to be Sorry Day...) Arapaima (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks. reply posted on your talk page GlenDillon 14:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, & thanks a lot. And do you see any of your photos fit for my article in WP:fr on Donald Thomson   ?. He worked in top end, then in West-Central desert. I think his life-work must be shown up, & 'll be gratefull for your help. Regards Arapaima (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Glen ! Another question if you please. In the film "Ten canoes", we hear two bush birds (not counting the gummangs...) : a loud laugh, which is the kookaburra's -  and a sharp shrieking, like the european jay's, not very different from the renting of a piece of tough fabric. It makes the men start, and look around them. What is the bird which utters it ? In Africa, it would be a monitor-bird (called also honey-bird by the natives),  a real nuisance while stalking : it warns every living being in the bush that something unusual is happening...Thanks and regards from Arapaima Arapaima (talk) 09:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi there - Jellyfish blooms
I just noticed that on June 8 you pulled off a bunch of citations from the Press in the Jellyfish article: Jellyfish blooms, which I put in there as references to make my point. I started the whole idea that jellyfish could be taking over the oceans about 10 years ago with a couple of careful scientific papers, the second of which carefully examined what little we know, and determined that we don't know enough to see changes in most jellyfish populations. I am now unable to control the Press, which has run with the story and it seems every news organization wants to write jellyfish bloom stories, and they can always find someone to say, "sure jellyfish are taking over the world", and they ignore those of us with decades of study, who say "we don't know that (even if it just might be true)". The reason it is "important to realize" in an encyclopedic article, is that I am assuming that people might arrive at this Wiki Jellyfish article after reading one of these sensationalist newspaper or magazine articles about jellyfish blooms, and want to know more. I am trying to give them a straighter scoop. I am receiving inquiries from about a reporter a week who want to write stories this summer that just aren't based on what's really going on. I don't know how to revert (does it only revert those things you changed in a single edit), but I sure wish that you would put back what you took out 07:51, 8 June 2009. What is weaseling about "in fact", when it's a fact, about "full of stories" when I then cite a substantial number, "the news media" when I cite several stories that you want to edit out? Give me a clue -- or did you write one of the stories that I am trying to tell the reader might not be true.Leuckartiara (talk) 06:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I just went back and looked at the Blooms section. I wrote as the first paragraph a month or two (or more) ago, the whole thing that you edited out. Now there is a first paragraph with absolutely no references and you seem to have no objections to that. But I do. Blooms are a natural feature of many jellyfish life cycles. A bloom does not require ocean currents to form it, as if the polyp part of the life cycle is nearby and they are budding jellyfish, you have a bloom. The last sentence "Jellyfish are most likely to stay in blooms that are quite large and can reach up to 100,000 in just 1 bloom." requires a reference that they are most likely to stay in blooms (huh? - never heard this before and I've been in the field for decades), what's the source of the number 100,000?

I really don't get what you editors buy into and what you want refs for. Leuckartiara (talk) 08:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Stobie pole
"No support or citation for claim that 'some' (who?) have described them as hideous"

Hear hear!! No-one I know ever uses the word "hideous"! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC) ;-)


 * ha! well - you're right - its not a term one comes across in Wikipedia very often - and there was no citation  AT ALL so it had to be culled from the article.   I agree with you - though I can't be bothered to look up the term "hideous" and I havn't used the term for about twenty years myself - but I think it basically means "quite ugly" and I presume it is derived from the term "hide" (i.e. so ugly that it should be hidden)- which is a bit unfair and also impractical in regard to those wonderful power poles you have over there in SA. I've visited your state a lot over the years and I've admired the stobie pole as much as the thatch fence.  It is obviously an engineering marvel (in terms of being a simple and elegant solution). In comparison - your western cousins (I'm in Perth) have for years littered suburban streets with poles pulled from old-growth and plantation forests which can't be a good idea.  It is well known that SA is the most progressive state in the Commonwealth and the stobie pole is but one more example of this. GlenDillon 13:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "so it had to be culled" - Agreed
 * "which is a bit unfair and also impractical ... " - You may not be aware just how essential they are to certain parts of the South Australian economy. Their origin was a result of the early settlers denuding the Adelaide Plains for cheap fuel, making wooden poles prohibitively expensive. However, once installed, the steel & concrete poles have provided an ongoing and reliable supply of work for the crash repair industry, the emergency services, the medical profession, and the undertakers.
 * "It is obviously an engineering marvel ... " - it is unusual for someone to get past their appearance and actually realise this. I agree that Jim Stobie never received the positive public accolades he deserved.
 * These days, in areas where the power lines are placed underground and the stobie poles removed, the replacement light poles are designed to shear off at the base. This has reduced the workload for the crash repair industry, the emergency services, the medical profession, and the undertakers, but has redistributed those costs to the makers of these "hideously expensive" collapsable poles ...
 * "It is well known ... " - Well, it's well known by South Australians, but I think it might be hard to find a Victorian who agrees with you. (But what would they know? For heavens sake, they drink VB over there!)
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)