User:Gloverepp/Old discussions

9/29/09

Ouvrages du Libron, talk page etiquette etc
Hi there Glover. Thanks for the thanks. I too am a Canal du Midi fan - we visit the Languedoc annually and the canal in all its facets is the focus of many of our days; never cruised it though - our boating activity is confined to the rather less sunny River Thames. We're back off down there (staying in a house right on the bank of the canal) in a couple of weeks and have been inspired to visit the Libron Crossing - ashamed to confess we've never been before - as a result of your prompt.

With regard to your question about talk pages..... it's complex.... what you did first off was quite right - you had a question about a specific article and for that type of thing the appropriate place is the talk page of the article.If your query or comment is for a specific editor - as with your message for me - then you should use their personal talk page. On article talk the whole conversation takes place there. With user talk eaqch editor has their own preference - for me I generally prefer to keep the conversation in one place where ever the thread first started, others prefer to leap-frog back and forth between the correspondents talk-pages so that the recipient gets the benefit of the "orange bar". I typically will use this tack for newcomers who might not have got the hang of watchlists - hence my reply here rather than at my place!

Best of luck and keep up with the good work,

Kindest regards, Nancy  talk  18:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Glover, how are you keeping? I see that you've been carrying on the good work. We went to the round lock at Agde, on the same day that we visted (at last) the Libron Crossing. Wasn't quite prepared for how big the crossing was, what an awesome piece of engineering. Sadly but unsurprisingly the Libron was not in spate so didn't get to see it in action. If the From Sea to Sea book that you have is by Rolt then it is the same as mine - just a different edition. Also caught up with an old friend of yours at Le Somail - here's a picture. Best, Nancy  talk  15:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Nancy: I'm still not sure about communicating through the discussion page, but will post this here and see if you return. Anyway, thanks so very, very much for thinking to take the picture and load it for sending to me. The Anjodi is certainly very special to me. The cruise with her was a life changing experience. I had been wanting a vacation where I did not have to rush around and could just relax --- and, this I surely did with the Anjodi. I am jealous about your visit to Ouvrages_du_Libron. We saw it on the second to the last day of the cruise. We just turned the corner and there it was. I had no idea what it was and we just cruised through with no explanation of what we were seeing. I was taking pictures as fast as I could and trying to understand what it was. That's why I had to come back and study it again. I felt that way about a lot of things I saw along the way e.g. the Fonserannes_water_slope.

Did you take any pictures of the house? I can't image what that would be like to go exploring to see things like the round lock and the Lubron. At least you would have time to sit and absorb what you were seeing and you had an idea of what it would be like. Almost everything we saw, except the Orb_Aqueduct, was a complete surprise. I still plan to write on the aqueduct over the Cesse. I have tons of photos. We stopped there and I got to take pictures from the shore as the Anjodi crossed the Cesse. What a wonderful experience. I told my wife that if I had six months to live, the first thing I would do is to return to the Midi for another cruise. I would love to travel all the way from sea to sea. One question about the Libron, is it true that the Libron, when running at its lowest level, crosses the canal via tunnels underneath? I got that from somewhere, but cannot confirm it. I'm working on another Canal page, and will let you know about it after it looks a bit better. So, let me know more about the house if you have time -- I'm sure you have tons of emails to catch up with. I was really touched by your taking the time to take the photo. all my best.. GloverEpp ( talk ) 23:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I too would love to do the complete "Deux mers" cruise - we talk about it every year and I am determined that one day we will find the time to do it. The Cesse Aqueduct was another first for me this year - we did a day cycling along the canal from a small village called Paraza up to the junction with La Nouvelle branch and back & crossed the Cesse along the way. As far as I could see when the Libron is running normally it is culverted under the canal, and then when it is in spate and the culvert(s) can't take the volume the sluices come in to operation.
 * So glad you liked the picture of Anjodi - I can honestly say that the very first thing I thought of when I saw her was you. We also came across the Colibri and Alegria, both of which have their home base in Poilhes which is the village we were staying in. Alegria is very fine & has a swimming pool on the deck! I've got zillions of photos and will upload some more soon but in the meantime this is the house we stayed in it was absolutely lovely and I would highly recommend it if you were thinking of a canal-side break! All best, Nancy  talk  12:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

This is a test to see what happens when someone writes in my discussion page.

Dab
The Wikipedia motto is be bold. I have moved Gloverepp/test (disambiguation) to Grand Bassin (disambiguation) which already had an incoming link! &mdash; RHaworth 14:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Holy mackerel, you're fast. I was going to do it ASAP.  thanks GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:22, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

In case you did not know: user temporary pages are encouraged but their names must start with, in your case, "user:Gloverepp/". &mdash; RHaworth 14:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * What should I have done to the Ganga Talao site since it previously could have been found from a redirect from Grand Bassin. GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to nit-pick but Ganga Talao is not a "site" it is just one of (Oh gosh, despite my deletions, we have recently gone through) three million Wikipedia "articles" or "pages". What you have done seems absolutely correct - you have provided a route to Gangla Talao. There is no need to touch the article itself. &mdash; RHaworth 15:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, what you should do is check Special:WhatLinksHere/Grand Bassin and correct any links that refer to the Mauritius one - I think there is just one. &mdash; RHaworth 15:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Great suggestion. The learning curve here is steep.  I did not want to affect the other site by taking over the redirect previously found in Grand Bassin.  Your WhatLinksHere suggested will help.  GloverEpp ( talk ) 15:52, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

That was freaky
Not sure how that happened, but maybe it was late at night when I put redirects onto that lot of things, and somehow I may have put a redirect on the Talk page of Scottish Highlander by mistake. Anyway, I removed it, however it got there. Thanks for letting me know -- otherwise that incorrect Talk page would have sat there forever looking stupid. Softlavender (talk) 14:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

La Belle Epoque
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WP:MOVE
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Canal du Nord map
I made it back in December but forgot to out it on the page. This was a case of mostly brute force. McKnight was a great help as was some topo maps I had of the area. There are a number of edits still needed, like the direction of the locks and the # of a couple of them, but the basics are all there. I might actually have to use google satellite to get the directions correct.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

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Have a wonderful holiday
I don't know the Briare at all but that looks like a great trip. In fact my knowledge of that area of France in general is pretty sketchy; I must confess that we have got in to the habit of getting off the ferry in Normandy, pointing the car south and not stopping until we get to the Languedoc. Perhaps it is about time I acknowledged that there is an awful lot more of France to see, or even just that there is more than one canal in France.....

We spent the week before last away on the boat boat, a 129 mile round trip from our mooring near Monkey Island, Bray up to Folly Bridge, Oxford and back - we couldn't get any further up-river as our air-draft is too great to allow us under the Oxford bridges. Probably at no point were we more than a 35 minute cab ride from home but it was a great adventure and we had unexpectedly fabulous weather. Now I'm looking forward to Languedoc in September - we are staying on the Midi in Capestang this year. Maybe one year I'll end up over there in at the same time as you.

To answer you question, what I should like you to bring back is loads of photographs to make me jealous. You have a wonderful time and I'll be thinking of you as I hunch over my PC hard at work :)

Very best regards, Nancy  talk  11:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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Aqueduct
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Here is a copy of my dialog with Silva40 regarding the use of his photo on Wikimedia. GloverEpp ( talk ) 12:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi! Thank you for your comment. The problem is that Silva40 does not agree to a specific license. Also the the permission seems to be a "for Wikipedia (only)"-permission and that is not allowed per Image_use_policy. So in the future it is better to ask "Would you release the photo under xx-license?" or something like that. You can see better examples at Example requests for permission. --MGA73 (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * 80px|right Hey Glover. I've just uploaded one of my own photos of Repudre for you to use as it seems likely that the Panoramio version will be removed. I'm in the Languedoc at the moment and saw Anjodi the other day being expertly helmed through the tiny aperture which is Capestang Bridge; felt compelled to give the skip a round of applause. Best, Nancy  talk  16:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I am severely jealous of your surroundings. We sailed the Canal de Briare this June.  Though it is nice, it is no Canal du Midi.  Will put your photo to good useGloverEpp ( talk ) 18:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Portal:French Waterways
Hi, I noticed that you've created a number of sub-pages for this portal but Portal:French Waterways is still a redlink. If you don't want to finish the portal, let me know and I'll delete the unused pages for you. Regards, BencherliteTalk 11:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought I had cleaned that up, but looks like I failed. If you have an easy way to clean them out, please do. thanks GloverEpp ( talk ) 12:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. BencherliteTalk 13:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Rivers Etc.
Hi Glover

A question, or subject for discussion. . . In Wikipedia should not the form be as per the country of the subject river? Nick NicholasStrong (talk) 10:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * American rivers take the form "Hudson River"
 * British rivers take the form "River Thames"
 * French rivers take the form "le Rhone", "la Saone"


 * Nick: I thought your question was a good one. I have faced it many time with French canals.  I posted your question on a help page for new contributors, see here. GloverEpp ( talk ) 12:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

|River naming Looks like local rules should apply, hence Saone (river). . I also think retaining the correct Francophone 'Canal de Garonne' is no hardship and is better than 'Garonne Canal', which strikes me as an unnecessary reduction unless in parentheses such as Canal des Deux Mers (Two seas canal). . . ? NicholasStrong (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Glover: (BTW I'm still not sure if I'm doing this messaging thing right, but . .) A similar thing applies to metric 'words'. I do think it is correct that a metre is a metre and not a meter. That's the correct European usage, where the measurement comes from. I wouldn't 'correct' Primary Colors to Primary Colours (even though my screen spell-checker is telling me so to do! . . ;) regards Nick S NicholasStrong (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Nick, can I suggest that you not change River to (river) within the text of an article e.g. Canal de la Somme article. I changed it back.  For whatever reason, the original author of Somme (river) named it like that.  He/she could just have easily, and I think more correctly named it as Somme River.  I note that when I created barge articles with names that had already been used, I appended with (barge) e.g. Magna Carta (barge), Rosa (barge) and  Savoir Faire (barge).  I note that you used Saint Louis (Hotel Barge) hotel barge with capital letters.  My guess is that there is a rule somewhere that tells us which is correct, but both of them seem to work.  Wiki seems to have a rule for everything.


 * As to your use of messaging, I understand your frustration and/or timidity. I have always found the process to be a bit confusing.  I think we're doing fine with it.  GloverEpp ( talk ) 17:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Glover and thanks for the comments. I think from the disambiguation point of view these barges are hotel barges. They are on Wikpedia for that quality. Some have no attribution at all. Perhaps you're right that it should be (hotel barge) since I think this is the Wikipedia style, I plead newbieness - there are so many Saint Louis that it was obvious that a qualifier would be necessary. How do I remove the initial capitals? or is it too late? I don't think that Somme River is correct, which is an Americanism, any more than (in Wikipedia terms) River Somme, which is the English way. I think that Somme (river) or just Somme is the correct Anglophone rendition of the French name for the river and that anyone that would have the impertinence to correct my various 'River XX's to XX (river) or XX would also be right, although I admit the sin. Mea Culpa.
 * You can move the article to a new name with lower caps. The move link is to the right of the watchlist star. GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ok many thanks - done NicholasStrong (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am a math and science major vs English major, but I can't imagine that Somme (river) is correct. But, that's just my humble opinion, worth what you paid for it.GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that Somme (river) is perhaps unnecessarily clumsy, except for the purposes of disambiguation. It looks (to me) very much like Wikipedia Anglophone usage is to follow local usage where possible, except where there's some other international consensus but I have asked the question at Rivers discussion NicholasStrong (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

One thing I do very much appreciate is your scrupulous hyphenating of (appropriate) French place names; this is the way that la Poste does it - although very few road signs. I think that's right, although that's more of a feeling. I hope I've been careful to do the same.

What's your take on meter/metre? NicholasStrong (talk) 22:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * According to, meter is the US version and metre is the British. GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, in the same list of definitions, "the US spelling of metre". However, it looks like other citations there incorrectly give the British sense of measuring things or an instrument for measuring as 'metre', which is completely incorrect since that's where we use the word 'meter', except in music. Interesting. I have posed the meter-metre conundrum on the new contributors help page. NicholasStrong (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Glover - another comment, just been looking at the Lot (river) page. I hesitate to (i.e I haven't) change, but the Lot has never been 'canalised' like some other waterways. It has had ecluses and barrages built, but it's still very much a river. And a big one. I wonder if there's a more accurate term? NicholasStrong (talk) 23:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're going after, but it seems that if you put locks on a river, you have canalized it, in the sense that you are trying to control the water depth to a specific level.  I put in two good references in the article Lot_(river) and the maps are mine as well. GloverEpp ( talk ) 14:28, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not going after anything, except clarity :) . . Looking at various definitions, to Canalise is primarily to make into a canal. However, you're entirely correct that a secondary definition is to manage a waterway through the introduction of barrages, locks, etc. To me the word conjures up the first most vividly, hence my comment, but you are correct. Regards NicholasStrong (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Capestang bridge
Hi Glover - another comment for you. The page about Capestang bridge states that it is the lowest structure. It isn't really - it is the most awkward, although that's rather subjective. I have taken a boat through Capestang a number of times and the last time we only just cleared, but on the guard rails of the aft deck of our boat, against the 'shoulders' of the arch which are narrower than the usual Midi arch shape. The arch apex is ok. It's the historic shape of the bridge that makes it a bit of a problem, although that is somewhat debatable. The two bridges at Carcassonne - the lock in the middle by the railway station and port de plaisance, and the downstream lock just outside the town are lower. I know this from personal experience - and everyone on the canals says it too. In my 3rd edition copy Hugh McKnight says "one of the lowest and most awkward bridges on the Midi" (as I have said) and not, the lowest. Would it be worth clarifying this point? NicholasStrong (talk) 21:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It is strictly your call. If you have a reference, then do it. GloverEpp ( talk ) 19:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, another point of clarification. The British boat builder, who indeed built for many of the hire boat firms at Wroxham, Norfolk has closed operations. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7582492.stm There was talk of them moving production to Turkey, but the last I heard, this had come to naught. le Boat still however say that Porter & Haylett build their boats http://www.leboat.co.uk/flotte/our_boatyard but when I spoke to a base manager in 2008 she said they were having difficulties getting new boats.
 * " . . When Porter & Haylett's & Crown Cruisers were closed it had a hugh effect on the local industry and several 'one man' businesses were also closed. Many boatbuilders are still struggling to find work. These two companies single handedly created the largest 'Hire fleet' is Europe, over 1200 boats were built & transported abroad by these Norfolk businesses & boatbuilders etc over the last 35 years. This will never be repeated. In now looks like the large boatbuilders in France will get any future contacts to build the hire boats, this is a great shame for the local industry and another big loss. . . " http://www.the-norfolk-broads.co.uk/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=20&Topic=21131&srow=4&erow=14

NicholasStrong (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure I can help here. GloverEpp ( talk ) 19:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)