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 * Packers–Seahawks rivalry: source overview of rivalry


 * GA possibilities
 * Ed Policy
 * Ed Neal
 * Clyde Van Sickle
 * Mike Lewis (American football)
 * John Martinkovic
 * Bobby Dillon
 * Verne Lewellen
 * Tony Canadeo
 * Bob Forte
 * Datone Jones
 * Billy Howton
 * Ken Bowman
 * Jim Ringo
 * Mark Cannon (American football)
 * Ted Fritsch
 * Billy Grimes
 * Tim Harris (linebacker)
 * Joseph Hoeffel (American football)
 * Bob Monnett
 * Martin Zoll, Carl Zoll and Dick Zoll
 * Larry Craig (American football)
 * Dan Currie
 * Dolly Gray impostor


 * We want the ball and we're going to score! (2003/04)
 * Snow Bowl (2007)
 * Fail Mary (2012)
 * 2014 NFC Championship Game (2014/15)
 * 2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay) (2019/20)

I am nominating this list as it is a comprehensive overview of a topic that is generally notable: the stadiums and facilities that the Packers have used in their over 105-year history. This is supported by two articles: List of Green Bay Packers stadiums and Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee, articles that have existed for 8 and 5 years respectively, and garner 500 and 2,000 monthly views each. The Packers have far exceeded the average number of stadiums each team has played in, with the next closest being the New York Giants with 6 stadiums; most teams average about 3 or 4. This number of stadiums, as well as the unique playing of home games in Green Bay and Milwaukee for 60 years, is reflected in numerous sources included in the article highlighting this special part of the History of the Green Bay Packers.

With that said, I want to highlight some comments made at the previous FLC 6 years ago. The article has withstood the test of that time, not being nominated for deletion or otherwise proposed for merger. Although not a perfect justification, longevity can be quite telling on whether a topic is notable and justifiable for a standalone list. Reading WP:LISTN, there appears to be no reasoning on why this topic does not meet the criteria for a standalone list. Regarding the ability for this material to be covered in other articles, such as Green Bay Packers and History of the Green Bay Packers, I will note only what exists today (disregarding the possibility of some alternate history where the current state of articles are different), Green Bay Packers is currently 68,796 characters and 11,334 words of readable prose. Per WP:ARTICLESIZE, this length should be reduced. History of the Green Bay Packers is even longer, at 70,595 characters and 12,025 words of readable prose. Both articles are justifiably warranting WP:SIZESPLIT. Neither article today has a list of stadiums, rather they incorporate the Packers stadiums naturally into the prose of the article (as they justifiably should do).

Thus, based on the fact that List of Green Bay Packers stadiums is a natural article&mdash;well-read for many years by our readers&mdash;covering a cohesive, notable and clearly definable topic, I believe it meets all the criteria necessary to satisfy the WP:FLCR, specifically 3(c). I will note that the article includes ancillary but related articles (like Green Bay Packers home games in Milwaukee and the Packers different training facilities), bringing the total list size to 8 stadiums, three existing training facilities, the team's current training camp location and the team's notable past training camp location. I hope this nomination isn't too longwinded, however I wanted to show a good-faith effort concerning past discussion points on this article. With that, I look forward to resolving any actionable concerns and happy to discuss improvements to the article to bring it to featured status.