User:Hahnchen/Archive5

Sven Co-op
I've deleted this following the AfD, but I noted you wanted to work on it, so if you want me to copy the last version into your userspace just drop me a note. Cheers, Yomangani talk 22:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty busy right now to do any real work on articles. Could you just cut and paste the information into the talk page at the Valve Developer Community?  It requires a 2 second registration procedure to edit, but its terms of licensing are compatable with Wikipedia. http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Talk:Sven_Co-op - Hahnch  e  n 00:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello. I noticed that you commented on the deletion review I made for Sven Co-op. I didn't realize it before, but I saw that a new article can still be created at Sven Co-op, so asking for an undelete at the deletion review is actually unnecessary. I think that it would simply be best to write a new article which takes care of the "non-notable" and WP:SOFTWARE problems, which I plan to do (although I happen to be somewhat busy at the moment myself). Yomangani has copied the old article to my userspace ( User:MarphyBlack/Sven Co-op ) which I think can be used as a base, or at least salvaged somewhat. This is where I will be putting together the new article draft, so if you have time and would like to make any edits, you can make them right there. I would be very appreciative of your assistance. MarphyBlack 02:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * K, thanks for the heads up. Ask Yomanigani to undelete the history too as there may have been important facts and sources missed (unlikely, but it's going to do no harm). - Hahnch  e  n 02:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

TL;NR
Hello. Could you explain your concerns about my nomination please? Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I confess, as someone also nominated with a long and detailed nomination statement, to be surprised by your opposition. And your question was one anyone reasonable would have answered seriously and at length. You're also using the green 'E' of Esperanza to link to the article evil. Are you disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point? If so, have you nothing better to do? ➨  ЯEDVERS  19:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Get over it. - Hahnch e  n 23:43, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And outside Wikipedia, gr ee n symbols involving a star and/or an e are the symbol of Esperan-something else. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 06:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use and 3D objects
When photographing 3D objects, artistic input is required in the composition, and so the resultant work can be copyrighted. It is a bit if a legal grey area, but it still better to use our own photo. ed g2s &bull; talk 19:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Would you mind canning the incivil edit summaries and putting a lid on the personal attacks you are making when you edit? Edit summaries are good - very good - but they're also not generally erasable. Administrators are likely, therefore, to treat incivility and personal attacks via edit summaries with due consideration. You could be blocked from editing without further warning if you continue. Thanks. ➨  ЯEDVERS  20:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to this edit, then I'm sorry about that. But User:Nintendude's absolute ineptedness and constant vandalising of Wikipedia pretty much annoyed me.  I generally removed spam links with an edit summary showing my complete contempt for YTMND or Newgrounds, although I have never used personal attacks in the summaries.  The only time I've out and out attacked someone in an edit summary is here and that's an indef blocked imitation account. - Hahnch  e  n 23:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Nintendude
Is this user banned permanently, including his various sockpuppets? Has his base IP been banned, or just the user name. I ask this because he has been blocked for using malicious sockpuppets before. - Hahnch e  n 00:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No I haven't blocked Nintendude's under lying IP address because I not a CheckUser. Please file a Requests for checkuser. --  Netsnipe  ►  05:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Chaos League
I knew there were some spelling errors in that article somewhere, cheers for correcting them. Stabby Joe

Requests for adminship/Elonka
Thank you very much for your support in my RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate your comments, am still in support of the Wikipedia project, and will continue to contribute without interruption. Thanks again! --Elonka 19:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Figures
Might have found some. I posted a general ad for Japanese review resources on WP:CVG. My previous...source didn't do so hot for the figures. --Zeality 18:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I found three seemingly-notable review sites, if it matters. Change in article. Prior to that, I also found several Konami press releases which made a case for the wild popularity of the game amon children (it prompted the creation of an animated television show). Sales figures are nowhere to be found, and still no lead on Famitsu. --Zeality 18:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

E7broadband
Ok. It is here. If you wish it undeleted, go here and put in delrev and then post a notice on Deletion review. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's a contested prod. If I want it undeleted, I can just post it back to the mainspace, where anyone can put it through AFD. Thanks for posting it up to my userspace though. - Hahnch  e  n 15:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Hahnchen/E7broadband and it's talk are all set with their histories. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated. - Hahnch e  n 19:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Urban Terror
Hi Hahnchen, just wanted to let you know that I have put Urban Terror up for AfD. Since your prod remove last month mentioned that you were looking for sources (which if you've found will be important for the discussion), I thought you would want to know. Marasmusine 23:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

An interesting example of the standards for non-comics web content
I thought you might find this interesting. I was looking through my edit history for something else, and found this from when I was more active in AfD. Articles for deletion/Nick Nunziata is about the webmaster of a movie-insider web site covered by Atlanta Journal Constitution, The New York Post, and Variety. Deleted, non-notable. -- Dragonfiend 08:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That expired prod
Hi. I've userfied it under the same name. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Game review request
Hello, I help maintain the article Carnivores (series), and recently I noticed that you were listed as the contact for Issue 29 of PC Gaming World, an issue that contains a review of Carnivores. I was wondering if you could provide me with a copy of that review for use as a source. Thanks! --Dinoguy1000 Talk 07:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can email you a magazine scan for it. Just give me a buzz with Wikipedia email and I'll send you the scan.  I can't email you it directly, as the email link doesn't enable attachments. - Hahnch  e  n 15:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I shot you a line... --Dinoguy1000 Talk 21:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mega-CD\Sega-CD
Thanks for restoring it all back. After it went back to Sega-CD, I decided to go to bed and hope that it had all been a bad dream. Thanks - X201 22:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/ROSE Online
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Leuko 03:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I stick to facts.  You said that you could not find any reliable sources on Google, either you are entirely lacking in competence in regards to using the search engine, or you were literally just gawking at the homepage.  I'm letting you know your weakness so you may improve your skillset and become a better person. - Hahnch  e  n 03:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then let me improve your skill in using the English language in letting you know that calling someone incompetent is viewed as a personal attack. Leuko 23:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Had I described you as a "useless incompetent fool", that would have been a baseless personal attack and without merit. However, in that AFD you presented an argument that showed you either failed to use Google properly, or had little idea what counts as a reliable source.  I thought it was the former, I'm sorry if I was mistaken. Yes, it was incorrect to append a comment to the AFD, and after some thought I was going to remove it once I logged on, I'm sure that the outcome of the AFD as well as the numerous comments on sourcing will easily show the reader where our competences lie. - Hahnch  e  n 00:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A further point, had you just asked me to stay cool and put your hands up and say "Yeah, I did bad, but you could have been more civil", I may have responded slightly better, like not breaking every point you mention. - Hahnch e  n 00:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

List of rail accidents
There is currently a discussion about whether we should set criteria for inlcusion of accients on the List of rail accidents page, and if so what the criteria should be.

The discussion is located at Talk:List of rail accidents/Criteria for inclusion, where your input would be most welcome. Thryduulf 00:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Continued questionable edits to Radiation Poisoning in Fiction...
It appears as though we will be fighting a losing battle with respect to keeping "Metroid Prime", "Phazon" and other questionable additions to the "In Fiction" section of the Radiation Poisoning article. I'd like to suggest that "In Fiction" section be moved and a separate article created. Before broaching this on the article's talk page I wanted to get your sense of whether that would be a reasonable solution. -- Rydra Wong 08:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually think it's just one user, of which every single edit on the 27th was just to revert my edits. He's one of those guys who thinks YTMNDs are encyclopedic, and should be mentioned articles such as Take Me Out (song).  Note that he's absolutely wrong of course, and I can't even be bothered to discuss this with him, it'd be a waste. - hahnch  e  n 13:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I note that it's been reverted again but other users have placed similar inappropriate examples in that section. I still wonder if spinning of the fictional examples to an entirely different article would not be generally helpful to the size and quality of the article. -- Rydra Wong 14:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:Administrators%27_noticeboard
Shhhhh. Please try to refrain from yelling and use your indoor voice. And is it really THAT necessary to add "crap" to every ytmnd reversion? --EBCouncil Speak with the Council 16:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message on User talk:TheEvilBlueberryCouncil - WP:CIVIL
Dear Hahnchen: I have written a message explaining about reversion/notability to further to your post on WP:AN. However, I must ask you to please try and be civil towards users that you are dealing with, especially where you are a participant in the dispute. Profanity, derision and unpleasantness in messages will not make users any more conducive towards cooperation; the correct approach is to try and set a good example, and discuss it properly. Thank you very much for your assistance. Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 17:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is exactly why I passed the buck onto you guys at WP:AN. Thanks for clearing it up. - hahnch  e  n 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism (note that the user is talking bullshit)
Hello, please stop moving my comments. Thanks in advance. cacophony 01:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't give me this bullshit, I don't see how you think your comments are so important that they belong at the top whereas everyone else can post below. It ain't going to happen, your words are not clad in gold. - hahnch  e  n 01:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My comments are the same as everybody elses, and thus belong at the top, where new comments go, so that people watching the page can see new additions immediately. cacophony 01:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You've got it wrong. You list comments at the bottom. - hahnch  e  n 01:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I list comments at the top. You arbitrarily MOVE them to the bottom without asking permission or specifying that you did so. cacophony 02:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you understand the concept of standing in line? Or do you just walk to the front?  Similar analogy. - hahnch  e  n 07:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Half life mods
Redirecting the 2 articles to the matching categories was a great idea, good thinking. Done. Note both articles went as both were listed in the AFD. Proto :: type  22:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

your comments on Medieval 2 talk
I assume you were speaking to me- I was the one who brought up the McD's worker thing, and it was poor phrasing on my part.

What I was doing when I brought it up- and if you reread what I said, you will see this- is that Englund's comments were only noteworthy because he is a respected academic rather than a McDonald's worker; the other person was trying to say that Englund's comments were worthy of mention regardless, which I don't believe. I completely understand the value of verifiable sources- which is why I was hesitant to leave Englund's comments in, since we can't verify them without a reliable translator.

If I'm misreading your comments, then I apologize. I understand that that conversation became a mess. Cheers --DarthBinky 17:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Yamauchi.jpg
It is against policy to re-upload an image that was deleted according to policy, as this one was. Please don't do it again. If you think the deletion was in error, please take it to Deletion review. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I cannot believe I have to jump through process loops just to get this stuff reversed. There's no real process to getting an image deleted, 2 users thought it should be deleted (one which deleted it), and another disagreed.  No consensus seems to be needed for deletions, so when I come up with some new information, such as Yamauchi isn't a celebrity as Chowbok claims, I should just be bold and do the right thing.


 * This is really incessant box ticking from you guys. I could just have got another fair use image and uploaded it to Yamauchi2.jpg in which case you'd probably go through the rigmarole of tagging and 7 days.  When I see something is wrong, I do something about it.  You deleted an image of Twiggy from the 1960s after it was tagged by User:Abu badali as rfu (I found out who tagged it using IRC).  I am not even going to explain why that was an absolutely ridiculous decision on your behalf, and I uploaded a new Twiggy 60s picture.  Are you telling me had I wanted to upload the original deleted image, I'd have to take it through DRV?  For your information, I spoke to admins User:Zscout370, User:Geni and User:Slowking Man on IRC.


 * God damn, I'm going to have to take this to DRV, still it'll be fun for those process box tickers eh? - hahnch e  n 00:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In response to your note, I don't really have anything to contribute there. If he really is a recluse who generally refuses to be photographed, then it should be undeleted. On the other hand, I'm cynical of such claims at this point, and I hope that's not just shorthand for "I don't know how we can photograph him". Anyway, the conversation will manage without me. &mdash; Chowbok  ☠  17:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Exotica II.jpg
Hello,

I'm still confused about this. I checked the link you gave me and I can see where it says something about the tag being added erroneously to album art. However, the licensing tag used for this image clearly states: To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Image description page, as well as the source of the work and copyright information.

So again, if the album art is self-sourced, why does the license tag ask the user to add a source (not to mention a detailed fair use rationale, which is also missing from this image)? Also, I can't find a policy that says album art doesn't require a source to be added. I haven't retagged the image, but I'm trying to understand this. TheQuandry 20:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few threads on this. If you see the checkuser case I linked, that was due to a sockpuppet tagging a lot of album art as unsourced and getting them deleted to the detriment of the encyclopedia.  In these kind of cases, it is the copyright holder which is important, the source (whoever clicked scan) is largely irrelevant.  Some relevant threads include:
 * Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use/Archive_12
 * Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive62
 * Wikipedia_talk:Image_use_policy/Archive_8
 * -hahnch e  n 00:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This FAC
MNSG was rebooted by Raul if you want to stop by again. --Zeality 23:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad Ali Vandal RV
I LOLed at your edit summary! Cheers! | | | | | | E. Sn0 = 31337 = Talk 19:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I just dropped by to make the same comment - bravo! Just the sort of thing I always type in, and don't have the marbles to actually save ;) riana_dzasta 19:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it hush hush, we don't want the civility police coming here! - hahnch e  n 19:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wii image
Good choice. Jecowa 05:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Yamauchi.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Yamauchi.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —trialsanderrors 08:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

vexxarr
I notice that you didn't nominate carpe diem for [WP:AFD]], but you did nominate Vexxarr for speedy deletion. I can't really defend Vexxarr because it clearly doesn't meet the standards that you directed me to. However I think the standard should be applied uniformly and you should have nominated carpe diem for removal. Anyway I will let the subject drop. Master shepherd 05:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I did mention that I think Carpe Diem should be deleted. I just can't be bothered right now, AFD takes more time and effort. - hahnch  e  n 05:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

E-gamers - what category is being used?
I'm not trying to PO people here, and this is a serious question from a non-sports person (the only sports I do are downhill skiing and figure skating (and a bit of college hockey years ago))... What criteria is being used for these people? My reading of the WP:BIO is along these lines...

From Notability (people) Where do e-gamers fall into the standard categories? They are not:
 * Political figures
 * local political figures
 * entertainment or opinion makers
 * actors or TV Personalities
 * Published authors, editors and photographers
 * Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals
 * Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events, such as by being assassinated

Can they be considered under the following:?
 * Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States.

They aren't sportspeople or athletes - but they may be competitors; is this the category where their notability is being justified? I didn't think that this was the intent of this category; I read this as those that are actually physically competing. If e-athletes are to be judged under this criteria, I would urge a notation being made as such to prevent further confusion on the issue.

As I couldn't put them in any of the above categories, I fell back to the basic:


 * "The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. - All of these criteria are in fact simply special cases of the general primary criterion of multiple non-trivial published works from independent sources. A person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians.

There may be articles written about these people, to whom I have no animosity, but can it be said that they are making a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field?

I do agree that several of the persons on the AFD list do have independent notability, and have noted so on their pages. However when looking at the field, I still say that these don't qualify as I don't see how they are part of the enduring historical record... (article - began playing):


 * Chris Smith (electronic sports player) - May 2005
 * Scott Lussier - July 2005
 * Eric Hewitt - April 2006
 * Ben Jackson (electronic sports player) - May 2005
 * Dave Walsh - March 2004
 * Brandon Jenkins - April 2006
 * Carlos Morales (electronic sports player) - April 2006
 * Michael Cavanaugh - April 2006
 * Victor de Leon III - "Victor has won no tournaments and has no notable placements in professional events."
 * Ryan Danford - May 2004
 * Zyos -"Leto quit gaming professionally after his former team, Xit Woundz, failed to place top 4 during the second event of the 2006 season."
 * TuLegit - ?

Again, I'm not trying to PO people here, would just like to see a clarification made for future disucssion on where exactly these people fit into the WP:BIO scheme!

Thanks for your patience with a non-gamer. :) SkierRMH 06:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never read WP:BIO. But I have been quite active in WP:WEB and Computer Games related discussions as well as general AFD.  I have never heard of any of the MLG teams up until they cropped up on AFD, but if there's multiple reliable sources commenting on the subject, I usually go for keep.  No, I do not consider e-sports competitors as athletes.  I mentioned in some AFDs, but compare the teams to anything in list of webcomics, and you'll find that the teams have more reliable sources, greater coverage, and a shitload more money than anything on the list.  Dresden Codak's greatest claim to fame is having appeared as a throwaway link on a daily zeitgeist.  Of what possible use is an article on a gay furry website.  Are any gay furry websites notable? - hahnch  e  n 06:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ben Jackson (electronic sports player) up for deletion review
I was wondering if I could get your opinion on that Deletion review/Log/2006 December 30. He is Karma in the gaming world and currently ranked as both best FFA/1v1 Halo 2 player and is apart of the best team, Team Carbon  Valoem   talk  05:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)