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Article Rajesh Khanna
tell me what help you need as far as rajesh khanna the article in wikipedia needs tell me. i mean what more refernces, additional informations can be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The tag is in the Television section. The facts in there need references. — Hebrides (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Article Rajesh Khanna
thanks you have provided with cite refernces for the superstar tag and politics refernces. feeling great. i hve lots of idea as to how to improve artcles about his films and his wikipedia profile. the problem is i dont get referces easily. i know lots of things about all the legends of indian cinema but after IT revolution in India there are very less online data about Khanna's life,films,box office reports etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I simply did a search on Google books. It's often a better source of references than just finding websites. You might find the Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books at http://reftag.appspot.com/ useful for making references out of Google books URLs. I find it very good. — Hebrides (talk) 20:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Help i need
in the wikipedia article of films like Dharam aur kanoon, amardeep, maqsad, bandish, babu,aaj ka ram avtaar mla - please give your cite refernces for the word Superstar along with http://entertainment.in.msn.com/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=4155691&page=4 which administartor has suggested (moondorgirl). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Try this: – it should then appear as a reference looking like this:




 * Is that what you need? — Hebrides (talk) 20:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

query
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Awam_(film)&action=edit

here the article appears as Awam (film) instead of Awam(1987 film) or should appear as Awam,Hindi movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 19:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * What is wrong with Awam (film)? The word (film) is only needed because there is already an Awam article. — Hebrides (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

what iam saying is it doesnt look good if it appears as awam(film). instead why not create article named awam in a new manner such that only the name appears and nothing in brackets in its side. also in the other article page about some other awam we can redirect those who r looking for awam the 1987 filmShrik88music (talk) 12:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The policy on this seems to be at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC – we need to take an unbiased decision as to whether Awam or Awam (film) is the primary topic. Using the tools listed at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, it would appear to me that Awam is the primary topic, which implies that the current page naming is correct. Would you like to read through WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and let me know what you conclude? — Hebrides (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Alag Alag 1985
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alag_Alag

i have added re3fernces and please add more refernces from your side too and remove that cleanup tag.

you may find the following refernces as useful too http://old.musicindiaonline.com/music/hindi_bollywood/s/movie_name.100/ - for songs http://www.desifm.com/singer_kishore_kumar.cfm -- he sang free for khanna.

always send replies in my talk pageShrik88music (talk) 15:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

also i feel in rajesh khanna article we should provide a new entry about his relation ship with his friends kishore and rd burman instaed of putting it in under later career section.

Informations which u can add in ur own words
http://www.screenindia.com/news/the-original-superstar-rajesh-khanna/327356/

u didnt get me. i know u r not aware of hindi films but what iam saying is as a layman and an frequent user who knows about wikipedia rules what i want is for u to improve the article about Khanna in following ways

I hve sent the link from which you can add details like the following which iam copy pasting( off course the sentences have to be changed and wordings too). 1)There were so many words that were spelt as “Rajesh Khanna” then: “Magic” for one. “Charisma” for another. Here’s a look at Hindi cinema’s first Superstar, a man for the term “Phenomenon” was coined It was somewhere in early 1967 that two films called Raaz and Aakhri Khat were released. They were made by top filmmakers of the time - G.P.Sippy and Chetan Anand respectively - but nosedived at the b-o. 2)Someone said that the common-to-both hero was a man called Rajesh Khanna, and that the films were a part of his predetermined prize for winning the All-India United Producers’ Talent Competition. Write-ups spoke of an actor who was confidence personified. 3)The big name heroes ruled, and two more big names, S.S.Vasan of Gemini (Aurat) and Nasir Husain (Baharon Ke Sapne) made also-ran films with him. With the latter, the actor struck up an enduring friendship with Nasir’s composer, R.D.Burman. 4) The actor, who had come to Mumbai with the backing of rather apprehensive parents and rudimentary theatrical experience, struggled in his own car - a first again. And wonder of wonders, despite flops, he had been signed by biggies Shakti Samanta, Raj Khosla, Asit Sen and A.Subba Rao. 5)Do Raaste, Ittefaq, Doli, Bandhan, Saccha Jhutha (one of his most understated and underrated performances), Safar, Aan Milo Sajana, the cult Haathi Mere Saathi and Andaz, the once-in-a-lifetime Anand, Kati Patang, Maryada, Dushmun, Amar Prem, Daag, Anuraag, Namak Haram (despite the subtle post-Zanjeer change in the Rajesh Khanna-Amitabh Bachchan equation), Roti (a home production), Premnagar, Aap Ki Kasam, Ajnabee and Prem Kahani - Khanna packed a stunning box-office punch of 22 more jubilee hits! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 19:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Quotes by actress Mumtaz and music director Pyarelal about Khanna
Mumtaz 'We were a lucky pair!' “Rajesh Khanna was a star who made a lot of difference to my career. In seven years from Do Raaste to Prem Kahani we starred in eight major hits but no flops! Show me a single lead pair with this record - even Shah Rukh Khan and Kajol have done only five hits. “Yes, we were considered a very lucky pair. Rajesh Khanna was a good and very professional co-star but not very outgoing. He was always very reserved and had few friends. He would usually report late on the sets, but he would never leave without completing his work.

“We first shot for Do Raaste and Bandhan. Both films were being made simultaneously, and he was a struggling hero. But after they were released he became a superstar, a Phenomenon as he was known. I think no one has seen the success the guy has seen, with a line of cars of his producers and hysterical fans outside his bungalow every day. He would be very generous with his associates, and would party a lot. As an actor, he was very good, and I particularly want to mention his performances in Aradhana, Anand, Dushmun and Roti.

I was always secure with Rajesh Khanna. Nobody could replace me. Though Sharmila did give a couple of hits with him, it didn’t really bother me. No actress, not even Sharmila could threaten me. When I gave up films, Rajesh and I were the topmost pair. He felt very lost when I quit films." I was no patch on Rajesh Khanna. He was a phenomenon and I was like her chamchi," giggles Mumtaz. "I teased him a lot and he always called me moti, as I was generally on the plump side. I attended his weeding too. After his marriage, I got married. At that time, I was doing Aap ki Kasam, Roti and Prem Kahani. I completed these films and then got married. I didn’t leave any of my producers in lurch." my friendship with Rajesh Khanna was also misunderstood. He was my neighbour and we got along very well. I would pull his leg and tease him about his fan following. Whenever Rajesh entered a hotel in Madras, there was a queue of 600 girls waiting to see him at midnight! As a result, even I would get some importance, as people would ask for my autograph as well," laughs Mumtaz. --from http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/mumtaz/memories.html

Pyarelal Incidentally, he had a stake in Mehboob Ki Mehndi too. He had great interest in music and a terrific sense of melody too. His music is dominated by Pancham (R.D.Burman) and us .When we went on our first overseas concert tour in 1984, he came and danced to three songs. He was very particular about his music and would take a tape home if he could not assess a song. He would then give his feedback after a day or two. But if he liked a song at the sitting, he would loudly shout “Wah! Wah!” in appreciation. After he heard the mukhda of Mere dil mein aaj kya hai from Daag he stopped us from making him listen to the first antara and told Yash (Chopra)ji that it would be a hit!

Shrik88music (talk) 19:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

changes in paras please make them in khanna article using the best words
Established as a popular protagonist, he appeared in many romantic, melodramatic and social films, forming legendary romantic pairs with actresses namely Sharmila Tagore,Mumtaz,Asha Parekh,Hema Malini and Tina Munim in the seventies.His pairing with Shabana Azmi,Smita Patil and Poonam Dhillon proved to be very lucky to him in the eighties.

Rajesh Khanna joined the film industry after winning an All India Talent Contest through a nation-wide selection procedure. He made his film debut in the 1966 film Aakhri khat, followed by Raaz opposite heroine Babita, but neither was a major success. He was noticed for his performance in his next film Baharon Ke Sapne which was followed by box office successes like Aurat (1967) ,Aradhana and Ittefaq. It was Aradhana that catapulted him to instant fame and established him as the first superstar of Indian Film Industry .In that film, Rajesh Khanna was cast in a double role (father and son) opposite Sharmila Tagore and Farida Jalal.The film also saw the resurgence of Kishore Kumar, who eventually became the official playback voice of Rajesh Khanna.

this is how above para should look like. also i think english can be improved by using better words as suggested by youShrik88music (talk) 20:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh Khanna article
all i want u to do is with help of my article which i hve copy pasted, you have to only frame new sentences with regard to the sentences i hve copy pasted.

second thing is many people in their blogs have copy pasted the wikipedia article. so what i want u to do is give me new words which i can put up as heading instead of later career,early success....

3)very few are improvising the artcile of the 1700 times it was edited.some hve copy pasted the same thing again and again. please take active participation.

4)you need not even edit the article directly.instead you make the wordings n sentences taking into consideration only the info i copy pasted in ur talk page.then after u make those changes paste in my talkpage n not edit n save directly in main article.i if u want, will change your article and then edit the main article in Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Help
make use of the info i gave u in ur talk page under following heads

1)Informations which u can add in ur own words 2)Quotes by actress Mumtaz and music director Pyarelal about Khanna 3)changes in paras please make them in khanna article using the best words

please make the changes whenever u get time. lets make the changes slowly but lets do it. as you are aware of wikipedia rules too it would be nice of you to use the best wordings such that the info i provided can be presented in rich manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 19:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

hi
where are you? no msgs frm u since days please incorporate and make changes in article and send me a msg instead of directly editing in wiki so that v can avoid more edits —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again. I'm fine over here, thank you. I did try to explain on your talk page why I will not be making any substantive edits to these articles. Maybe you'd like to read my explanations again. Then you may like to use the article's talk page to develop collaborative authoring with the others who know something about this subject, as I suggested. Best wishes, Hebrides (talk) 21:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Ur inputs
watever ittle addtion u cud do it would b nice of u otherwise the silly fans and anti fans would keep on doping silly edits. i hve given u all the information with the links. all i requested u is to frame the same which i hve copy pasted into new fresh sentences and also change the headings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 18:27, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh khanna
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jai_Shiv_Shankar&oldid=377180913 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatru these are another contributions by me which you havent checked. please insert your inputs like let these films appear in bollywood drama sections,romantic films section,1980's action films section etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrik88music (talk • contribs) 19:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh khanna
I have created a seperate page Rajesh Khanna Filmography. iam not aware as to how it should be edited that there would be 6 columns Year,Film,Role,Actress,Director,Other Notes. i wil ,by myself manage to fill up all details ,if u dont have time but just create that page with those 6 columns atleast.

if you would be able to fill up the 3columns actresses,year,role with help of the already created filmography by me at present it would be great. gradually i will fill the other 3 columns roles,other notes,director.Shrik88music (talk) 19:31, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again, Shrik88music, and thanks for getting in touch. I've had a go at reformatting Rajesh Khanna Filmography into a table – see what you think. The third column needs you to sort it out because it is sometimes names, sometimes comments. All the data is just copied from your original page – there is nothing new I've added. I decided to do a “sortable” table – click on the little square things in the column headings and it will sort on that column. That means you can get the films alphabetical, or in year order, etc.


 * It didn't take long to do, as I automated the reformatting process. I moved the old bulleted list to the article's talk page in case you want to refer to it. Hope that's what you had in mind. Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks i would have taken much much longer time i suppose and why for these many days you ere not at all responding.ya i was busy so was not much involved in this article...... 1)i think in notes for time being besides the film name -- the award won by khanna  and the nominations he got for the film can be added taking help from the article as put by me in wikipedia. 2) the films released in same year should be bracketed upon simultaneously..... like in this artilce http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajinikanth_filmography.. 3) one more column named "Name of Character"/"Role" needs to be added next to the film column Shrik88music 4) why in filmographies category --- the page created by us is appearing under K ...it should appear under R

Shrik88music (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * You can find details about tables at Help:Wikitable – or try clicking Edit on the page you want to model it on, and look at the codes – you will see how a particular effect is achieved. Let me know how you get on.
 * As for (4) it's the DEFAULTSORT line that makes sure it's sorted by surname like all the others are. — Hebrides (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh khanna
i have provided 68 references for the article rajesh khanna in the wikipedia. i need ur help to make it semi protected so that unregistered users do noit edit it at first place. also to my knowledge all sources are mostly from newspapers,magazines,big box office dotcoms, movie websites,interviews by stars. but some registered users are indulging in vandalism...simply editing the artcile. if at all by mistake some blog reference is there i request that these registered users be made to understand that they are facts and if at all references need to be added freshly in place of that(blog reference ) then that reference be given and not that the para /sentence e be delete

i need ur help in finding is that really there are any unrelaible source in the artcile i contributed? i know that all the 68 r relaible and if any are unrelaible then i request that as what i have submitted is fact so new relaible source can be inserted and scentences may not be deleted.Shrik88music (talk) 19:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That is very good that you have found so many sources. I've tried to help by converting them to citation format, including the title, publisher, date, etc. I also removed the tag about adding references.


 * As for protection, it's no good asking me. I'm only a humble editor like you, and have no more powers than you have. I just do a bit of editing here and there, and have gained a bit of experience by reading some of the Manual of Style, and by making mistakes and being corrected by other editors. I can't protect anything. Sorry :(


 * Thanks for all your hard work, and the work put into the filmography. Best regards, — Hebrides (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Just realised I didn't answer your comment on reliability. For what it's worth, the tool I used for filling in references picked out www.mid-day.com/specials/2009/jan/040109-RD-Burman-15th-death-anniversary-Rajesh-Khanna-reminiscing-Play-Bollywood-Playback-Singers.htm (WebCite, opens without leaving) with a message: "WARNING : Blacklisted title (My friend RD Burman)". Does that mean anything to you? — Hebrides (talk) 19:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

nothing to do with me... but that article also gives some reference about freindship and work done by rajesh khanna and rdburman together. its a relaible siteShrik88music (talk) 12:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

i have added again few sources after checking whether they are relaible references. olease go thru them. now there are 75 references as proof .. may be u will be able to help by converting them to citation format, including the title, publisher, date, etc. Hope u help. Shrik88music (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I did that. I just used Reflinks at http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks – it is something you can use if you like. You just put the page name in, and it goes through and looks up all the webpages and fills in the details. — Hebrides (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh Khanna article in wikipedia
Why the adult life is left blank when the sources are valid and how come zoom tv become unrelaible which is like bbc a channel in india???please edit this version ---ie http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=386380511  as i hve provided more facts about khanna which are absent.. also magazine Pratiyogita Darpan magazine is not the sole magazine to confer superstar status on khanna eg:http://www.assamtribune.com/oct1109/sunday.html clearly specifies who was industry's first ever superstar. ARE THE FOLLOWING 7 LINKS NOT RELAIBLE?^ are the following websites unrelaible??? 1 http://www.zoomtv.in/stories/Do-you-want-a-partner-/2592 , 2 ^ http://www.zoomtv.in/stories/Era-of-superstars-is-over/5999, 3 http://www.zoomtv.in/stories/%E2%80%98I-had-an-affair-with-Gary-Sobers-on-rebound-/2905 , 4 http://www.rediff.com/%0Amovies/2002/sep/13dinesh.htm, 5 http://www.apunkachoice.com/scoop/bollywood/20041021-0.html, 7 http://www.zoomtv.in/stories/Era-of-superstars-is-over/5999, 8 http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/mumtaz/memories.html, 9 http://www.bollywood501.com/classic_m/rajesh_khanna/index.html, 10 http://www.indian-times.com.au/entertainment_housewives.html 11 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020623/herworld.htm 12 http://www.liveindia.com/sai/Rajesh_Khanna.html 13 http://www.leenacom.com/MOVIE.htm

jsut let me know if they are unacceptable... i will find better replacements such that all the info i edited are also put in future versions. Shrik88music (talk) 21:16, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not know anything about any of these websites. Sorry. I'm sure there must be some wikipedia editors that know about this. — Hebrides (talk) 09:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh Khanna article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Active_Banana - this user is continuing his same old story of sites not being relaible and that blogs have been used etc..... yesterday Hebrides (talk) even helped me in converting them to citation format, including the title, publisher, date, etc. even she agrees that the 68 were genuine. now i added up more sources which are yes relaible upto 75 to convince all detractors.. now what needs to be done to ensure that the article contributed by me at present which contains solely and solely facts supported by valid references is being made open to public for reading and not deleted? please help seriously i need ur helpShrik88music (talk) 18:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC) following are the references i provided from reputed magazines,newspapers,websites of tv channels,news channels,articles on filmstars etc,..... i know all my 75 references are valid but do not understand y no action can be taken to make such biased editors away from such articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=387349101 I request that this issue be resolves at the earliest and i assure u that all 78 references are genuine.....

infact i want seniors, experts too see it coz iam sure biased anti khanna fantic fans are deleting scentences..activebanana and shshshs are one of them... infact please u also go thru the article and even u will seee that all sources are magazines,newspapers, websites of news channels etc..

what is to be done to ensure that zoomtv ,which is run by timesnewsnetwork of india and cineblitz magazine's article be accepted?Shrik88music (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Rajesh Khanna
the way u added cites,publication earlier please do add to the new fresh references i put against which activebanan had earlier raised objections. please add them in that format of urs so that it looks better in the below link's version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=387376122111.119.196.205 (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Click on http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks and put the page name in. The tool will do it for you. Hope that helps. — Hebrides (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing to mislead any one. Have u really gone thru the links i have put right now? all are genuine....u can urself see it or check it. this time i personally checked that other than th elinks i have given, those links which others have provided are also genuine...

Times of India Entertainment.in.msn.com. IBN.LIVE midday screen india indian express zoomtv sindhunagar indiainfoline econimoic times indiatimes tribuneindia musicmagazine indiaglitz The Film Street Journal. Rediff.

all the above are relaible.. There is nothing to mislead any one. Have u really gone thru the links i have put right now? all are genuine....u can urself see it or check it. this time i personally checked that other than th elinks i have given, those links which others have provided are also genuine...

Times of India Entertainment.in.msn.com. IBN.LIVE midday screen india indian express zoomtv sindhunagar indiainfoline econimoic times indiatimes tribuneindia musicmagazine indiaglitz The Film Street Journal. Rediff.

all the above are relaible..

just add those details of cite name,publisher date etc,, which even earlier u had done.

edit this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajesh_Khanna&oldid=387376122 versionShrik88music (talk) 19:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you didn't see my reply. Please click on http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Reflinks and put the page name in. The tool will do it for you. Hope that helps. — Hebrides (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)