User:Heimstern/Admin coaching

Hey there, Heimstern! I am Nishkid64 and I will be your admin coach.

Here's a bit you should know about me:

 Nish kid 64  18:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I joined Wikipedia in January 2006, but didn't start editing much until July 2006.
 * I became an admin in late September 2006.
 * I have over 16,000 edits on Wikipedia.
 * I live in the United States, but I hail from India.
 * I am 17 years old, and I'm currently in the process of doing my college applications.
 * I spend most of my time involved in current events, sports, and biographical-related articles. I also do a good deal of vandal-fighting, admin chores, AWB cleanups, etc.

Hi Nishkid! I'm already somewhat familiar with your contributions here, and am glad you're willing to help me out in this way! Well, here's me:


 * I, too, joined Wikipedia in Jan 2006, and was off and on until August 2006, when I started editing really regularly (I had a forced wikibreak from late June to early August because I was in The People's Republic of China, where Wikipedia was blocked).
 * Currently have a bit more than 4,000 edits.
 * I'm actually already an administrator at a smaller wiki, so I have pretty good familiarity with MediaWiki, including the admin tools.
 * I was born in California, lived in Oregon for a while, now back in California. (I live not too far from Antandrus. :-) )
 * I'm 25 and am a graduate student at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
 * I do a fair bit of vandal fighting. I'm also involved in expanding our coverage of classical music, notably writing stubs for the symphonies of Joseph Haydn. I participate in RfA and AfD, too.

All right, that's me in a nutshell. Heimstern Läufer 18:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's good to know at least some stuff about you. Okay, let's begin. First, I'm going to run an edit count summary of you:

Category:	3 Help:	3 Image talk:	1 Image:	11 Mainspace	1942 Portal:	1 Talk:	251 Template talk:	1 Template:	13 User talk:	1516 User:	150 Wikipedia talk:	7 Wikipedia:	381 avg edits per article	1.43 earliest	06:54, 12 January 2006 number of unique articles	3003 total	4280
 * Some superficial suggestions: Increase Wikipedia talk participation, get involved in more article building, participate in more AfD's (you can never have too many). Also, what articles do you hope to get significantly involved in and possibly help bring up to FA/GA, etc?  Nish kid 64  18:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, first off, my style in encyclopedia building has thus far been primarily stub creation. I've gotten rid of many redlinks on this page that way. In terms of long-term contribs to building an article: I'd definitely like to get involved in improving Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, which had its featured status revoked awhile ago. I'd like to get to Joseph Haydn, too which hasn't yet gotten to GA status (it looks to me like it has few sources, so I guess it has a ways to go). As for Wikipedia talk edits: I admit I'm not sure how I would go about getting those. Thus far I've only gotten them when I had a question about how to interpret a policy such as 3RR. Anything you could tell me about where I should look to get Wikipedia talk edits would be appreciated. Heimstern Läufer 06:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's good you're involved in article creation. Maybe you would like to get yourself involved in creating larger articles that you could submit to WP:DYK and it may appear on the Main Page! As for Wikipedia talk edits, you could get those usually on policy pages, such as WP:BLOCK, WP:EL, etc. Also, if you participate in discussions in WikiProject pages, that would give a better impression of your editing overall.  Nish kid 64  15:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Those are some good answers; I need to read up on some of the things you've mentioned. I need to write you a decent response, but I'm actually really swamped right now because it's finals week. So this is just so you know it may be a bit before I can write you a real response. I should be much freer after the weekend. Heimstern Läufer 17:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem.  Nish kid 64  01:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm back. Well, I've looked over your suggestions more carefully. I definitely need to get back to my work with the Opera WikiProject; I'd kind of put it on hold while I've been busy with work. I can definitely become involved in discussions there. I will continue to look for more opportunities to discuss policy, also, and I'm continuing to work on getting in more AfD discussion. I think I also may have a look at that Haydn article... it's just not looking quite right with no citations there. Heimstern Läufer 03:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's great. I'll start with some admin practice later this week (CSD's, AfD's, etc.)  Nish kid 64  15:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

CSD
These WP:CSD practices were created by EWS23 for use in admin coaching. We're stealing them from him for the purposes of this practice. This a test to make sure you understand the policies of speedy deletion. The following are actual cases that EWS23 came across while clearing out CAT:CSD.

Assume that the title of the page is everything following User:EWS23/CSD/. You are allowed to use any technique that you might usually use to assert notability (e.g.- Google), but you are not allowed to use Wikipedia in any way (you cannot see if the page still exists on Wikipedia, go through deletion logs to see if it was deleted, and any Google searches you do should use "Subject -Wikipedia" which is a good tool anyway to help eliminate Wikipedia mirrors).

Assume for this exercise that you are an administrator. View the page, but do not edit it (they are being used for multiple coachees). Then, return here and comment below the entry in question. Write whether you would delete the page or not. If you would, cite the specific criteria at WP:CSD that you would use to delete it. If you would not delete it, state why, and state what you would do to the page (simply remove the tag, redirect it somewhere else, keep it but remove certain information from it, etc.).

In real cases, you should ALWAYS check the page history before making a decision. Sometimes the page is a legitimate article that got vandalized, or page moved, etc. In this case, the page history won't tell you anything, but remember that in real cases the page history is important.

Good luck, Heimstern. Just edit each section, and post why you would keep/delete the article.  Nish kid 64  19:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This looks like a fun exercise. Well, I'll start out with some of the easier ones, I think, and then do the harder calls. Oh, and just so you know where I'm coming from: I take a very restrained approach to speedy deletion in general; i.e., if I'm at all uncertain, I'll usually lean keep and send to AfD. 05:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3 trailier
OK, I would probably lean toward delete under CSD A1, as this article is very short and seems to provide little context. Heimstern Läufer 23:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't merge the article to Halo 3?  Nish kid 64  14:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That might be a good idea... I'd need to do some research and determine the factuality of the article and what can be salvaged, I suppose. Heimstern Läufer 17:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Union Millwright
Delete under CSD A3, as the article consists entirely of external links. Heimstern Läufer 23:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job. This is a classic example of CSD A3.  Nish kid 64  14:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Webs
Delete under CSD A7, as this seems to be essentially a bio of this Pete Weber with no assertion of notability. CSD G11 might also be mentioned, since those parts of the article not about Weber appear to be promoting his group. Heimstern Läufer 16:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, CSD A7 and a weak G11. It's on a non-notable subject, but it also looks like promotion/advertising.  Nish kid 64  14:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Neil Haverton Smith
I would take the statement "He is one of the most prominent gay activists in his hometown" as an assertion of notability, and therefore I would not be willing to speedy this under CSD A7, which is the only criterion that seems arguable to me. That said, a Google search doesn't turn up any useful results, so I would probably remove the tag and send to AfD. Heimstern Läufer 16:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This CSD practice is up in the air. Some people can see that it's probably speedyable since it doesn't appear to assert much notability and it may be a hoax. AfD/Prod would probably be the best route to go on articles like this one. This also deals with WP:SNOW, in which if you feel an article will be deleted anyway under AfD, it's best to let it just run its course instead of speedy deleting.  Nish kid 64  14:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy
Keep: CSD A7 is only for articles with no assertion of notability, and it seems clear to me that this article contains multiple assertions of notability. I would probably simply remove the speedy tag. Heimstern Läufer 05:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a good choice. This is a definite keep because the article asserts the band's notability, and they meet WP:MUSIC requirements. Also, there are times when people may add false speedy tags to articles, and it is an admin's job to interpret this. Although it seems blatantly obvious here, this is a possible case of where a user mistakenly or intentionally added a CSD tag to an established and notable article.  Nish kid 64  14:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Nathaniel Bar-Jonah
I nearly answered with delete under CSD G10; however, a Google search reveals that this article is in fact true in the essentials and thus isn't exactly an attack page. It poorly written, however, and needs a citation per WP:BLP. I would at least remove the part about hamburger patties, as I could find nothing affirming this exact detail, and replace it with a line about cannibalism, providing a proper citiation. Heimstern Läufer
 * Yes, this is a perfectly valid subject, but it really needs expansion/cleanup. Adding the stub, wikify, and expand tags would probably be most appropriate here. Also, expanding it with references for yourself would help out. Remember to always research before making an assessment that the article should be speedy deleted.  Nish kid 64  14:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit count
User:Heimstern

run at Sun Jan 14 14:36:27 2007 GMT

Category:	3 Help:	3 Image talk:	1 Image:	11 Mainspace	2264 Portal:	1 Talk:	276 Template talk:	1 Template:	13 User talk:	1694 User:	187 Wikipedia talk:	20 Wikipedia:	545 avg edits per article	1.48 earliest	06:54, 12 January 2006 number of unique articles	3398 total	5019 Editcount generated using Interiot's wannabe Kate's Tool. Nish kid 64  14:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great improvement, Heimstern! You have a good spread of edits around Wikipedia. Besides needing a bit more Wikipedia talk edits, would you want to potentially bring some article to GA/FA status? For example, I see you're involved in the China article. Maybe bring that GA? It only failed its GA candidacy a month ago, so it definitely can be improved. By the way, this isn't a requirement for RfA's, but it's quite beneficial. I didn't have an FA/GA (in fact, I just got my first GA lol) because I spent my time on a wide variety of articles. It didn't hurt me in my RfA, but some people do oppose users just because they don't have a GA or FA.  Nish kid 64  14:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm kind of thinking I may take a break from China for a while. I recently had the unpleasant experience of being accused of sockpuppetry by an editor with whom I've had run-ins there. Although I believe that anyone who really examines the evidence will see clearly that it was purely coincidental, and have reason to hope this won't harm my reputation, it nonetheless caused me a fair bit of wikistress, so I think this may be the time for me to leave that article behind for a while.
 * I am, however, hoping to make improvements to Joseph Haydn. In December, I identified several places where citations were lacking. Since then, Opus33, who originally authored a fair bit of the article, has successfully added several citations, and the article is starting to look much better. There are still many uncited sections, and I mean to do what I can to help fix this; after which point I will see what else needs to be done to raise it to GA status.
 * As another point, Wikipedia's articles about classical music seem to be chronically lacking in citations. I intend to bring this up to the WikiProject and see if maybe we can find ways to improve this. Heimstern Läufer 18:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear about the sockpuppetry claim, but I'm glad you have decided to move on. Hopefully you can get Joseph Haydn to GA shortly, and also have a wider community response with the situation of citations. I personally was in charge of the composer stub sorting a while back (I made some of the stub categories and such), and I found these articles were in poor quality, and almost of all of them had no references. Hopefully, the WikiProject can fix this problem and raise the quality of articles.  Nish kid 64  23:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more thing: I'm working on creating an article that I'll submit to DYK before long. Currently collecting information on it so I can make it long enough for DYK requirements. Then I need to think of a good fact to take from it. Heimstern Läufer 02:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fantastic, Heimstern! 19:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)