User:Herostratus/delete shopping malls

This is an advisory batch nomination. I personally don't think any of these should be deleted, but I think I'm in the minority, based on the results at Westfield Mount Druitt -- 60,088 m², 240 stores, converted to a redirect December 2012 per Articles for deletion/Westfield Mount Druitt, reiterated 2017 per Articles for deletion/Westfield Mount Druitt (2nd nomination), and Westfield Penrith -- 91,701 m², 338 stores, converted to redirect December 2012‎ per Articles for deletion/Westfield Penrith.

So rather than picking at these one by one at random let's see if we can come up with some kind of rational decision on the class as a whole -- delete/merge/redirect 'em all, keep 'em all, or delete some and keep others.

Articles under consideration, chosen because they are listed in the template Westfield Australia (and also in List of Westfield shopping centres in Australia), in ascending order of area:
 * Westfield Innaloo -- 47,030 m², 171 stores
 * Westfield Geelong -- 52,000 m², 187 stores
 * Westfield Plenty Valley -- 53,845 m², 183 stores
 * Westfield Airport West -- 54,777 m², 162 stores
 * (Westfield Mount Druitt at 60,088 m², 240 stores would fit here)
 * Westfield Hurstville -- 61,928 m², 259 stores
 * Westfield Woden -- 62,000 m², 260 stores
 * Westfield Helensvale -- [don't know] m², 239 stores
 * Westfield Burwood -- 63,614 m², 240 stores
 * Westfield Kotara -- 68,660 m2, 256 stores
 * Westfield West Lakes -- 71,000 m², 260 stores
 * Westfield North Lakes -- [don't know] m², 274 stores
 * Westfield Whitford City -- 76,463 m², 299 stores
 * Westfield Chatswood -- 80,852 m², 282 stores
 * Westfield Tuggerah -- 82,274 m², 267 stores
 * Westfield Carousel -- 82,464 m², 293 stores
 * Westfield Liverpool -- 83,365 m2, 340 stores
 * Westfield Eastgardens -- 84,627 m², 303 stores
 * (Westfield Penrith, at 91,701 m², 338 stores would fit here)
 * Westfield Belconnen -- 94,718 m², 287 stores
 * Westfield Tea Tree Plaza -- 95,332 m², 245 stores
 * Westfield Hornsby -- 99,830 m², 335 stores
 * Westfield Doncaster -- 120,000 m², 400 stores
 * Westfield Bondi Junction -- 126,895 m2, 499 stores
 * Westfield Miranda -- 127,000 m², 396 stores
 * Westfield Southland -- 129,180 m², 400 stores
 * Westfield Warringah Mall -- 132,066 m², 385 stores
 * Westfield Carindale -- 136,373 m², 443 stores
 * Westfield Marion -- 136,778 m², 341 stores
 * Westfield Parramatta -- 137,407 m², 498 stores
 * Westfield Knox -- 141,934 m², 409 stores
 * Westfield Garden City -- 142,835 m², 402 stores
 * Westfield Chermside -- 150,733 m², 400 stores
 * Westfield Sydney -- 167,911 m², 361 stores
 * Westfield Fountain Gate -- 177,755 m², 464 stores

(I just noted when I made this that per Articles for deletion/Westfield Innaloo, Westfield Innaloo (the smallest mall on this list) was kept in 2006. So if some are being redirected and some kept according to who's paying attention at the moment, which seems possible, all the more reason to sort this out and get this put to bed once and for here.) Herostratus (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep all. It's not 1917 anymore, so a lot of the life of the people is tied in with malls, for good or ill, rather than their town centers anymore. The economic life especially, but also the personal and cultural life. They are equivalent to towns (and we keep articles for even the smallest towns). During the day they are inhabited by thousands. It's true that people don't sleep there at night, but "people sleeping there" is actually one of the least important and interesting things about a town. And at these malls occur do most of the other, interesting and important, activities that people do in towns -- shop, work, flirt, eat, hang out, etc.


 * Even the smallest of these, Westfield Innaloo, has stores equivalent to the center of a large town and is inhabited every day by thousands of people. It's been in use by Perthians for half a century and has a 375-seat restaurant (called a "food court"). The article has ten refs and IMO probably meets WP:GNG, is 6,211 bytes with 4 images, and is a perfectly fine article, not promotional poorly written or anything. Since it's a perfectly fine article why throw it away. That is not how we grow as a reference work. And that's the smallest one. (Westfield Geelong, the next smallest, has 14 refs and and a fine 13,397-byte article which among much else describes the history of its site (smack center of the city of Geelong) from the 1850s.)


 * (Granted though that a number of the articles aren't as good or as well ref'd and don't meet GNG which is not to necessarily say the couldn't, although I don't know; but at any rate all are ref'd to non-GNG-eligible sources (e.g. the company itself) sufficient to make a decent short article.)


 * Another reason to keep all is that "delete all" (or "redirect all" or "merge all") doesn't seem in the cards: (Westfield Fountain Gate is the second largest mall in Australia, so "delete/redirect/merge all" would essentially imply largely clearing out Category:Shopping centres in Australia, and indeed Category:Shopping malls itself... which is many thousands of articles, and I don't think we want do that (others may disagree). But if you don't want to delete all, where do you draw the line? 60,000 m²? 80,000 m²? 100,000 m² or higher (as the fate of Westfield Penrith seems to imply)? 20 years of existence? 5 large anchor stores? Currently ref'd to meet GNG? 3,000-byte+ article? Drawing some line like that is defensible I suppose, but seems quite arbitrary. Herostratus (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Now quick aid party.