User:Hoverfish/Archive 4

Barnstar


De Nada amigo! Oh I'm sure I'll earn it at one point or other, I intend to build a lot of Uruguayan articles in due course... Most important now I think is to build up the barrio articles...♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll let you know tomorrow OK?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

OK amigo, just busy!! Right go to http://www.openstreetmap.org/. Zoom in on a part of the world you want. Now click "Export" You can either choose the full frame or you can click the mouse and drag over an area you want to crop out.Once you have selected the area you want to make a map of jot down the coordinates given in the left box and write them down as N W E S on a piece of paper. Now save the file Map1.png probably automatically. Now go into the commons and upload, you'll probably find the map in your downloads, change the name e.g Barrio Gris, Montevideo.png and then upload. But once you upload write down the coordinates that the map is made from in the page so if anybody wants to make a pin map from it later they can. If you want a relief map of any part of Uruguay simply go to http://www.maps-for-free.com/ and click the camera snapshot in the top left for a relief map of any part you want by dragging the cross over the picture which will highlight an area. Note though the google map towns don't show on the maps as they are copyrighted bt if you click the top left box you'll get the option to select rivers and roads highlighted. This site is particularly good for making maps of rivers which you can label on microsoft paint etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah you can do what the frank you like with it as long as you at least state it is from open street map and that you adapted it. If you can copy the coordinates for area maps you make this would be great because then they can be programmed to show pins on the map for certain landmarks..♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

See Barrio Sur maps. I should have copied the coordinates to make a Barrio sur locator map too. Never mind. You should now be able to easily make maps of the remaining barrios. Thanks for the photos!♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Check out these. I've created 58 maps of every frickin barrio in Montevideo! Now if ever I deserved that barnstar LOL! I'll add them to the infoboxes shortly...♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

OK I've added locator maps to the singular names. For those which are split names you'll have to find the maps I made in the commons and sort out what to do, merge them into one article or something and then add the map like the others. I suspect there will be some problems with deciding and indeed the locator markers.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:47, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Why thankyou dearest Hoverfish! Much appreciated thankyou!! Oh we'll get them up to a decent status within a few months. I also want to get the Salta article up to a decent level sometime... Your photos are really great and with some decent maps and sourced info look really good!♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:27, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that, as long as you are certain there are now 62..♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Uruguayan socialists
Hi Hoverfish. You are asking me about the Category:Uruguayan socialists. As a matter of fact, this category in the English Wikipedia is a "loose category", a "general container" for socialists from Uruguay. I'd rather leave it in peace. Then there is the more specific category:Socialist Party of Uruguay politicians.

What I did, though, is remove the category:Uruguayan socialists from the Category:Broad Front (Uruguay) politicians; as "not all Broad Front politicians can be defined as Socialists".

Regards from Montevideo, --Fadesga (talk) 10:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting to know that you are here. ;) --Fadesga (talk) 13:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Montevideo
Hi, Hoverfish. I undid your last revision. I guess you can see why. Cheers, --Góngora (Talk) 17:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Barrios of Montevideo - Your answer on my discussion page
(Copy relevant parts of the thread from the German Wikipedia to have it all in one place)
 * Worauf gründen denn deine Informationen zur Umgestaltung der Barrio-Einteilungen? Sind das Vermutungen oder gibts dafür einen sicheren Beleg? Mich macht nämlich deine Änderung hinsichtilch des Barrios Pérez Castellanos etwas stuzig, da sowohl die spanische Wikipedia als auch diverse Web-Links dies anders sehen (siehe hier: ). Weshalb bist du dir sicher, daß dieses Barrio nicht Pérez Castellanos heißt?-- Losdedos 02:59, 12. Dez. 2010


 * Hi, and very sorry for not noticing your questions earlier. Since you are of advanced level of English, I will not try answering in my very poor German. I hope you don't mind. I have found several mistakes in the barrios of Montevideo. I have researched carefully and corrected several. But I am not sure about whether Pérez Castellanos is another name for Castro Castellanos. There is a street in the Ciudad Vieja named Pérez Castellanos. In the listing you found it does state "Pérez", but the map of the National Statistic Institute and the Map of the Inspectors of Education have it Castro. Finally I found the big pdf map of the Intendencia of Montevideo that also has it as Castro. For these 3 maps, please, look in the "References" and the "External links" here: . I figured that these official sites are as valid as I can find and think that the other name must have been a mistake. If you feel it might be an alternate name, please do reinsert it. Thank you. Hoverfish 03:44, 18. Dez. 2010

Saludos Hoverfish, many thanks for your detailed answer. There is no problem in leading our conversation in english besides i am not in "training" with the language. So please ignore my mistakes. Meanwhile, a few weeks ago, i checked this item concerning the tower and i think you are definitly right. Even when it comes to the name of the barrio, i know that the official maps of the Instituto Nacional de Estadística only use "Castro" and not "Pérez" Castellanos. However, this other website used the name "Pérez". Personally, i believe this could just be a simple mistake of this website. However, as you may know, it is not quite uncommon, that the Uruguayans are not that clear in the naming of landmarks as other parts of the world are. So it could also be a second name of the barrio to be used sometimes. In case of my doubts which is right or wrong, i put it back to the article. I will check it and take it out again, if i do not find any other sources that lead to a name called "Pérez Castellanos". Ok?. By the way, many thanks for the new photos of Montevideo on wikicommons and your work in uruguayan stuff in the english version of wikipedia. I really enjoy watching and reading. Greetings from Germany,--Losdedos (talk) 03:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Greetings Losdedos, yes I know about the problem of Montevideans using wrong names for various geographic items, so I am also careful. Also many names keep changing all the time, especially of streets. I am additionally careful because what we state in Wikipedia is reflected in many places in the internet, even in official pages. I agree that we should state "Pérez" as an alternate name. I have kept searching and this is a very important find:, as it comes from historians Aníbal Barrios Píntos and Washington Reyes Abadie. They have it as Pérez Castellano (not even Castellanos, as I find it consistently in listings). I am trying to find the origin of the name. It could be some composite name like Álvaro Pérez de Castro "el Castellano" or similar. I will let you know if I find something important. Hoverfish 15:22, 18. Dez. 2010


 * I agree. As a Montevidean, I have my doubts about the right name. I translated the article from English into Catalan but I was uncertain regarding the real name of this "barrio". I guess most people from Montevideo are not aware of it. But, as far as I know, the INE is a quite reliable source which belongs to the Uruguayan government. You can search for official websites. Does the IMM website say something about it? If so, there is no way for ambiguity since we can consider this source to be quite representative. By the way, I have to congratulate you (and Dr. Blofield) for the wonderful job you have done with Montevideo-related articles. I was (and I'm still) really impressed. You are definitely contributing to make this corner of the world "less strange and unknown" for outsiders. I left the country a couple of years ago (now I reside in Spain) but, articles like yours, make me feel more proud of the place where I was born. Thanks. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 21:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Ding dong
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film seems to be building up requests with no replies. Please be so kind as to provided comments to those requests. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!
Merry Christmas dearest Hoverfish. Great to have you back on wikipedia. May Uruguayan topics greatly improve in the New Year!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Imogen Toner
Hi. I know you're a member of wikiproject a and f and was hoping you might want to help me clean up Imogen Toner. I created the article, having previously written Dark Nature, but am less godd with biographies. hope you can help! FilmFan2011 (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry FilmFan, I'm no longer in films and bios. Hoverfish Talk 20:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for informing me about that mistake. I already knew bots could commit some mistakes, but this is the first time I see one so big! Anyway, it was not that important because anyone who reads the article realises Montevideo is not in Galicia. About José Enrique Rodó, I unfortunately don´t know very much about uruguayan intellectuals or philosophers. I´m more into european philosphy, especially greek. But I´ll see what I can do. Forgive my curiosity, but I couldn´t help noticing you are living in Uruguay and that you´re very interested in the country, but apparently you are not from here (because of the userbox about your spanish level). If so, I wish you are having a great experience and that you find uruguayan people nice and helpful!! Saludos!--Knight1993 (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your welcome. As a new wikipedian I need to continue exploring and learning. Please, feel free to contact me. I am from Uruguay. User:Roxyuru — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxyuru (talk • contribs) 21:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Department flags
Hi Hoverfish. Some departments have no flag, that is the case of Montevideo Department and Tacuarembó Department, the images that had been invented by some user. While, Rocha Department has flag, but I could not get a good image design. All other departments have flag. What is not to be confused is the flag of Artigas Department, with the historic Flag of Artigas. Greetings. MauriManya (talk) 16:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: A bit confused
Because I fixed the links during the discussion, there's not much left that needs to be done. There are some redirects intended for the disambiguation page that couldn't be changed at the time because they'd create double redirects; those are all that remain to be done. I'll go fix them up now. Reach Out to the Truth 19:44, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Barrio Peñarol
Hello Hoverfish. I am writing to let you know the User:Manuel Esmoris which you warn failure to comply whit copyrights, is doing the same in the article in Spanish of Peñarol, Montevideo. You can warn him to stop doing the same? Thanks and regards. MauriManya (talk) 01:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Hoverfish. Unless the user identifies himself as the real author, this is a copyright violation, as Maurimanya puts it above. Your warning is right in this sense. If he insists without giving any reason, further action should be taken. Unfortunately I'm not as active here as I'm on Catalan Wikipedia, but I've added the article to my watchlist so I can keep an eye on it. By the way, I see that you have modified -again- the article on Montevideo. It's getting shape. I'm translating it into Catalan. I hope we can finally make something decent out of it :). Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 03:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Wrong pronunciation of Avatar
Hi, I am an Indian and a Hindu by religion. The correct pronunciation is uv-taar (u as in umbrella) and not av-a-tar Thanks Wikichecks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.60.133.202 (talk) 11:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This is quite all right, but please follow the proper way of indicating pronunciation. Here is the proper way to add pronunciation in Wikipedia articles: Manual of Style (pronunciation). I myself have difficulties understanding this, so I asked for help and as soon as I know how it should be done properly, I will reinsert your information. Hoverfish Talk 14:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for recognizing the my concern. I was having a look at the IPA for Hindi and Urdu, which is correct. I will also try to search for the correct way and add to the Wiki Regards, Wikichecks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.126.170.90 (talk) 11:13, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Dear Hoverfish, Also I would like to add who decides on the English spelling of a different language word should be keeping it as "avatar" and not "uvtaar", which can then be easily be pronounced be by an English speaker the correct way.

Can you please let me know whom should be contacted to get the spelling correct, as I would like to know how a spelling is decided for a different language word? Is anyone from the native speaker of that language is consulted or not?

Looking forward to your kind response.

Regards, Wikichecks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikichecks (talk • contribs) 13:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear Wikichecks, let me please explain this in a detailed way, so as to show you a possible way for determining by yourself whom to contact for a certain matter here in Wikipedia. First of all, there is not a specific person who decides on pronunciation notation or any other technical matter. In Wikipedia there are projects for each technical topic and the members of these projects lay out rules and/or guidelines about how it is proper to go about each. So the correct answer to your question is that anyone who happens to be well informed of a certain topic can be asked to help or give advice. In this case, the way I follow to determine who is best to ask is by hitting the tab "View History" on the Avatar article and see who did the most informed edit on the notation recently. There I see that User:Shreevatsa corrected the previous edit of User:Kwamikagami in that he gave the proper Hindi pronunciation. Now, by visiting User:Shreevatsa's page and chosing (on the left menu) on "User contributions" you will notice that this user is mainly editing Hinduist topics and, being also able to fill-in pronounciation notations, is probably the best person to ask. I know, that for a beginner this sounds like a whole detective story, but once you get used to it, it is a simple process. Another way, which may or may not give you a prompt amswer, is to ask on the talk page of the article itself, or better in the talk page of WikiProject Hinduism or Portal:Hinduism. I hope you find this useful. If you need any more help, I will be glad to share my limited knowledge of Wikipedian methodology. Oh, and please add four tiddles ( ~ ) after your messages so that your signature, along with the date-stamp appears after your comments. Hoverfish Talk 14:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Dear Hoverfish

Many thanks for your kind response. This is very useful.

Kind regards, Wikichecks

Wikichecks (talk) 10:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Montevideo
Hi. Sorry for the delay. In es:WP we´re having a lot of troubles with an copy/paste-user and I had nbo time to come here. Thanks for the invitation, but I´m not sure I´m able to create new articles. My english is not so good, and I unknow completely your sistems for titles, names or even you policies that, in several points are different from es:WP. However, If you have some doubt or I can be useful in somewhay, go ahead. Cheers. --Andreateletrabajo (talk) 13:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you translate Mariano Arana from Spanish wiki and find some more sources? Hope you are well.♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

If there's little to say redirect and sub header them with the knowledge that exist.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Barranquilla
Hi. I've copied the FA Spanish article to Talk:Barranquilla. I've begun translation, I know it isn't Uruguay but its a huge article so all help is needed! Should take a few weeks but like with Montevideo and Tenerife etc is a core article. If you could help whenever you can translating a few paragraphs this would be a great help.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:04, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you translate:

La rama legislativa está representada en el Concejo de Barranquilla, el cual emite acuerdos y está compuesto por 21 concejales elegidos por voto popular por 4 años.


 * The legislative branch is represented in the Council of Barranquilla, which issues agreements (accords) and is composed by 21 councilors elected by popular vote every 4 years.

En cuanto a la rama judicial, el Distrito Judicial de Barranquilla está conformado por el Tribunal Superior del Distrito Judicial de Barranquilla, el Circuito Judicial de Barranquilla, el Circuito Judicial de Soledad y el Circuito Judicial de Sabanalarga. El Tribunal está conformado a su vez por la Sala Civil-Familia (seis magistrados), la Sala Laboral (cinco magistrados) y la Sala Penal (tres magistrados). El Circuito Judicial de Barranquilla está conformado por los juzgados civiles, de familia, laborales y penales de Barranquilla, y los juzgados promiscuos de Galapa, Juan de Acosta-Tubará, Piojó y Puerto Colombia.


 * As for the judiciary brabch, the Judicial District of Barranquilla is formed by the Superior Court of the Judicial District of Barranquilla, the Judicial Circle of Barranquilla, the Judicial Circle of Soledad and the Judicial Circle of Sabanalarga. The Court is formed by the Civil-Family Chamber (six judges), the Laboral Chamber (five judges) and the Penal Chamber (three judges). The Judicial Circle of Barranquilla is formed by the civil, family, laboral and penal tribunals of Barranquilla, as well as the combined (mixed?) tribunals of Galapa, Juan de Acosta-Tubará, Piojó and Puerto Colombia

I didn't get a good translation..♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:53, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well these are local terms of government etc, I don't see how we can find an good translation in English. Maybe if their governemt website has an english section...? Cicle - Circuit ? Hoverfish Talk 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, yes that was why I found it difficult, it sounded awkward.. Sometime you and I should write a good article about Salto, Uruguay..♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Canelones Department
Hi, Hoverfish. This message is just to let you know that the map you have created about Canelones Department inspired me to create the article Geography of Canelones on ca.wiki. I have not enough time but I'm also translating Losdedos' articles from German into Catalan. They are great, complete, and may be helpful because they are short articles indeed which can be translated into English, which lacks them all. Nice job! Cheers, --Góngora (Talk) 17:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Sorry for the delay. Regarding your first question, I usually make use of the space "fotografia", which is not the same as where you are supposed to include the map with the coordinates. However, let me say that I'm not an expert when it comes to templates and all this stuff. I do it almost all the time copying from similar articles and readapting the parameters for my specific purpose. Having said this, don't you think that including two big maps within articles which are stubs is perhaps too much? I mean, it's just a suggestion of style, because I know we have to use all the resources we have as much as possible but even following these criteria I can't see the balance between text and file in stubs. One possible solution is to include the second map within the "gallery", which is smaller. This is obviously a personal choice, and it's what I always do.


 * As far as your second question is concerned, every wikipedia sets its own rules. And, yes, you are possibly right and the article should be included as a section of the main article here. On the Catalan Wikipedia, given the fact that most of its editors come from regions which have not the status of sovereign states (except for Andorra), they tend to give more importance to regions and subdivisions perhaps, which is obviously not the case here. Therefore, feel free to include it in the main article if you want. It's a very good idea indeed, because the article on Canelones Department really needs some improvement. Thank you very much for your interest! Cheers :), --Góngora (Talk) 13:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Hoverfish! I've entered the Canelones Department government website, which is the official in all these cases and its word must be taken as such, and I've found that Solymar, Parque Carrasco, etc, are spoken of as localidades and not as barrios. Besides, this page also works with information which belongs to the INE (Instituto Nacional de Estadística), a source of the Uruguayan Government. Therefore, I assume that they should be categorized as populated places or something, because the government does so. However, whenever possible, I refer to these places just as "seaside resorts" which are part of the Ciudad de la Costa. --Góngora (Talk) 12:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well done. It's a good idea for future references. Go ahead . --Góngora (Talk) 14:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Barranquilla
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Re:Map of Ciudad de la Costa
Hi, Hoverfish. Nice job! The map is perfect to suit this purpose. I also agree with you regarding the creation of a locator map for the inclusion of these places. I'll include it on ca.wiki. ;) --Góngora (Talk) 23:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't worry. I'll wait for the other then. --Góngora (Talk) 00:24, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It sounds good! Let me see where I can put it, because the article on Ciudad de la Costa, for instance, at least on the Catalan Wikipedia project, is little more than a stub, and it already has a map and a file; another one may overload the article unnecessarily. In other words, I'll need to write a little bit more on it in order the keep the text/image-map balance (if I get time!). But that, far from being a burden, is quite encouraging because it improves the article, so one thing depends on the other. I'm glad to read that the result was to keep the image. I've heard about OpenStreetMap and I think it can be a very good alternative too. You are more experienced than I regarding maps and all these things which are not my strong point. I'll follow whatever you decide to do in this sense. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 18:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Page moves
You did a cut and paste move with Manga, Toledo Chico when instead you should have just moved the page to the new name. Moving keeps the edit history together and gives the article attribution per the CC-BY-SA license. That is why the bot had tagged it.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:48, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you guys are doing some good work. I admire how Dr. Blofeld finds under poorly covered areas of the encyclopedia and expands coverage. Regarding the move, when you move an article, the old article name automatically becomes a redirect, so there would have been no need to go and recreate the article. An example being here If I didn't understand your response right, let me know.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks both! Good to hear from you Hoverfish! Yes I fully support a move to Barrios as I am aware of what you said and I think we should use the official terms. I was considering moving some myself anyway, so glad you brought it up. By all means, but if there are any others on any other south American cities they should all be moved to be consistent too, if there are others... I will try to expand one of the Montevideo barrios later tonight.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:11, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Numbers look fine I think, helpful to have the key..♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Its fine as it is, that's why I didn't say anything!♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Barrios/municipios of Montevideo
Hi, Hoverfish! I saw you were updating some weblinks on the Catalan Wikipedia. Thanks! :) I'm writing to you because, according to the new legislation, which was passed in by the Uruguayan parliament last year, Montevideo is now divided into municipios (municipalities) as well, from A to F. So, following the new hierarchy, Montevideo would be divided into seven "municipios" comprising the different "barrios" (City>Municipios>Barrios; similar to Paris). For instance, you can have a look at the article on the Spanish Wikipedia to see how the new organization applies. I'm going to use it on the Catalan Wikipedia project; each "municipio" has a letter, not a name (again, similar to what happens with Paris, which uses numbers for its arrondissements). Each "municipio", in turn, is formed by different "barrios" and enjoys a certain degree of autonomy with a "mayor" (alcalde) of its own. Municipio B, for example, comprises the following barrios: Ciudad Vieja, Centro, Barrio Sur, Aguada, Cordón, Palermo, Parque Rodó. You have more here. I'm not asking you to apply all these changes, but I just want to let you know that I'll use them on ca.wiki. I thought it could be of your interest. Greetings, --Góngora (Talk) 17:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! No, I'm not going to change the articles on "barrios", ;). I'm just going to add further information. I've created a new category there, totally different from that of "barrios", and I'm including the "barrios" there but without substituting the original categorization, which is perfect as it is now. You can see what I mean, here. Cheers, --Góngora (Talk) 17:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello, again! I need an expert in maps. Do you know where I can find one? ;) Having a look at Google Maps I could see all the eight municipios. Maybe we can create a similar map here with the municipios, now that I have the articles. Of course, this is only a suggestion and you can do it whenever you want/if you want, no worries. --Góngora (Talk) 13:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also asked Dr. Blofeld because I saw that you two are the most implicated users here as far as Montevideo is concerned. I hope you don't mind. Maybe you can combine the work or as you wish. Thank you very much for your time and patience, :). OpenStreetMaps is ok. --Góngora (Talk) 14:09, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks great, nice job!♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect! And so fast! A big thanks, Hover! :-)))) --Góngora (Talk) 17:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I started Palacio Municipal (Montevideo), Spanish wiki says its in centro but looks just in Cordon to be on the boundary.♦  Dr. Blofeld  14:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, Hoverfish. I'd rather use "municipality" instead of municipio (which also has an article here) for one basic reason: if you look at the article in question, all the Spanish-speaking municipios are categorized as "municipalities". The only instance of a category using municipio here on en.wiki would be Municipios de Bolivia, which, by the way, has also been moved to «municipalities». Therefore, if you create a category or an article using municipios instead of the English equivalent, it will be, if I'm not wrong, the only one here. This doesn't mean, of course, that in the article you cannot say that "X place is a municipality (municipio) of Y". That's what I would do given the fact that we don't have any category of municipios here on en.wiki but we do have Municipalities of Argentina, Municipalities of Spain, Municipalities of Venezuela, etc. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 14:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

LOL the huge map was actually a pin locator showing location in Montevideo.. See Template:Location map Uruguay Montevideo. Perhaps you could grey out the pink roads and neutrlaise it a bit for a decent city locator?♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

If you created a barrio pin map like Template:Location map Ecuador Quito central, only with a Montevideo barrio locator in the corner than a barrio map would be good. All you'd have to do is jot down the coordinates when making the maps from OSM and write them down on the image page.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the most important obviously are the Viejo ciudad, Centro, Cordon, Punta, and those neighboring this along the south.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I've created Template:Centro, Montevideo, Plaza de Cagancha. The best way to cover the city would be to cram in red links of missing articles by bariro and create a category as I have done..♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I've started Shannon Irish pub. You may wish to verify this that it is actually chain and to add to it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah the esq Buenos Aires threw me. I knew something wasn't quite right there, Shannon's Irish pub is different.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Or go in for a pint of Guinness with the paddies and take a photograph of you drinking and the bar... LOL. Would be a good idea to make Template:Ciudad Vieja, Monteviedo too.. More stubs to follow this afternoon on Centro buildings.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

OK I've created Category:Ciudad Vieja, Montevideo. Any article related to it should have that category added to it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Would be great if you could get a photo of the pub and inside it if possible! I'm going to DYK nom it. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It'll probably lack the charm and old feel of an Irish pub in Dublin or rural Ireland but the place does look quite warm and inviting. Worth a shot! It would definitely be better to capture it with people actually drinking in it although exterior would look good in daylight and evening. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Mmm, the article keeps attracting irritating notability tags. If it persists then it may be best to redirect to the ciudad article and summarize the buildings there. BTW I created Template:Location map Uruguay Montevideo Ciudad Vieja. Needs blanking out area outside it but it works for pin♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

An idea would be a merge into a Public houses in Montevideo or a Public houses and restaurants in Montevideo.. The most notable pubs could be summarized in one article..♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I had a sudden rise in blood pressure probably brought about by the irritating antics of Maunus, the one who failed Oaxaca as a GA and I've also had a lot of bread today which I think caused the headburn and feeling odd. I'm a bit better now, still hot though. What irks me off the most on wikipedia are people who repeatedly revert others and spread tags everywhere and show no effort to work with others or at least attempt to address a problem. And when they are people who are academics and have the potential to write brilliant content but all they can do is go around lawyering with tags and attacking the work of others it is even worse. It hadn't even crossed mt mind that anybody would question its notability, but one things for certain Irish Uruguayan is very notable and a good place for the content. I will assess the restaurant situation once I've wrapped up my Irish Uruguayan article.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's the thing, there is SO much content to be written that anything deleted seems terrible. Don't worry it will all be kept, and actually has now made this more productive than it would have been previously..♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah its lag, always a problem. Thanks for that. Will contribute more Uruguayan articles later, I don't think those created yesterday be deleted. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Museums of Montevideo
Hi, Hoverfish! Thanks for such a complete list. It will be really helpful for me. --Góngora (Talk) 13:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the images! Perhaps report the map lag to village pump technical. BTW I am editing under this account to please send new messages to my new talk page. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 10:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that's clever! How did you do that? Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 16:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

De nada. I think I'll create a full set of department templates like Template:Artigas Department. I think we should split Category:Populated places in Uruguay by department and import the articles from Spanish wikipedia. We could built templates with the settlements and also architectural landmarks and places of note. If we can draw up some sort of framework for the whole country first then I can get the content started for the country and by barrio of Montevideo. I'm attracted to working on Uruguay as the country is relatively small and there is the opportunity to be quite focused. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 21:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Something like this. Can you help me draw up templates for each department and split Category:Populated places in Uruguay by department? Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 21:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Can you copy the towns and villages listed here into the nav box and I will start all of them. I've copied them here. They just need formatting and the doubles removed. Might make the template a little too bloated though, they can always be cut down to Population above 300 at a later date if needs be. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 14:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Mmm the thing is some of the settlements in the north of the country with po[pulation of like 800 have shown to be very notable. I would say 500 would be better. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 15:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

No, I just copied the settlements listed in the official statistics site. If they list these resorts as separate towns when they are neighborhoods that's their mistake. They can be removed from the nav box if you think that's best. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 16:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Or find articles on landmarks or smaller towns to bloat them up... Thanks for your help. I think I'll give Uruguay a break today and will resume tomorrow perhaps. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 08:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

You are aware that virtually any verifiable populated place in wikipedia is considered notable don't you? We have full articles on some hamlets with 3 people and full articles on tiny barns in such hamlets in the US. I'm certain info is available somewhere for these places. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 09:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course in an ideal wiki world we'd have full length articles on every small village in the world. The only other solution I can think of is to create a List of populated places in Uruguay and list every village and population in 2004 and maybe coordinates in Uruguay and merge into a list and only keep articles on those above 500 people. However I have seen some with 200 with full articles on spanish wikipedia so probably best to go where the information flows. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 12:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that, after giving priority to bigger cities, we should try to create all the populated places which are mentioned in the INE; this includes towns and villages with less than 100 people. If they are not in the INE but there exists some information about them online, we can create a list and include them there without a particular article for each one. But the INE is a reliable and trustworthy source, so we should try to follow the information given there when creating new articles, even if there's not much information about them. --Góngora (Talk) 12:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, no point really in xxx is a village. The priority with Uruguay is to get the Department articles and the main towns beyond stubs with sources. Eventually I'd like a full article on every settlement but we can only go where the info is. I find though I am rarely motivated to create such lists which need a lot of hard work. Maybe it is something we could do gradually together like list a department eveyr day or two. Of course it would be very comprehensive to have a full list of settlements and population in Uruguay even if we don't have articles as yet on them all.. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 12:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, three departments! Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 16:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you locate the coordinates for General Enrique Martinez (La Charqueada)? Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 19:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've created List of populated places in Uruguay. The place names just need wikilinking, There are many missing settlements which aren't listed in the census. For some reason I can't access Rio Negro, can you add the settlements? Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 20:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, ah I got em, its OK. They just need wikilinking now. No rush. I tend to work in bursts and was feeling very active today.. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 20:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

De nada amigo. Its good to collaborate and resurrect this project. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 20:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added to Castillos. Eventually of course the plan is to destub them all.. I've also begun generating lists of Uruguayan people by occupation, tons of red links to be transwikied. Perhaps you could give me an article count of current Uruguay articles on wikipedia?

Can you translate the rest of Chuy? I got stuck.. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 07:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem is that most of the Spanish wiki material is unsourced and web info is generally poor except for the occasional offical site and a few sporadic google book hits. There is a very detailed history on the official site of Chuy which makes it difficult to whittle down.. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 10:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I created Category:All WikiProject Uruguay articles. Seems we have 2290 articles currently tagged. Seems a comparitively very low article count given 3.6 million. We should have at lest 10,000 articles. But no point in that many if there isn't some form of quality! Everything OK? Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 11:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, its balancing quality with quantity I think.. I'd rather 2200 sourced start class articles than 10,000 unreferenced stubs... I've noticed though you've assessed most towns in Uruguay as low importance. Do you think maybe settlements over 1000 or something should be mid importance? Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 11:35, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the Saudi Arabian project and others have a category of all articles assessed like this. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 11:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Fuerte San Miguel (Uruguay) I'm, starting. Afterwards a condensed summary for both Chuy and the town it is in to the west would suffice. May need some help with the translation I'll make a start. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 13:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed the photos of the fort are yours!! Can't thank you enough for your photos!! Perhaps some time you could photograph some of the towns outside of Montevideo. Would love to see photos of the houses and the coast at Ordeig, Kiyu and Rafael Perazza for instance. That area has me curious. Also would be good to have photographs of many of the roads.. Perhaps if you have a day off work sometime you could venture down the coast or north of Montevideo and use your Internet mobile phone if you have one and use google satellite maps for guidance and go from town to town photographing them! Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 15:21, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The photos really make a big difference of course. I've also started Fortaleza de Santa Teresa. Perhaps you could help translate? I've made a start. I need a break right now, I'll be back later. Very interesting places. What I like also it that they identify new and exciting new topics which are missing. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 17:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Fortaleza de Santa Teresa almost done. Can you translate the last paragraph on folklore? Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 19:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you draw me a map of Tiruchirappalli city???
Is it possible??- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 18:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * That's okay! Is it possible for you to create a locator map like the one for Chennai that we have here?- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 03:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi! I've created a locator map using OpenStreetMap. See here. Can you help me incorporate it in articles on the suburbs of Tiruchirappalli? I am facing some minor problems with that.- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 14:32, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it not possible to use the template and embed the map in it?- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service  14:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sure! Thanks a lot! :)- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 15:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope, the map does not work. Check out Thillai Nagar. Yeah, I will just remove some of the areas which do not form part of the city. I had actually taken the image directly from OpenStreetMap.- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 16:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've uploaded a newer one.- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 17:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! Yeah, the place appears a bit to the north-east.- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 17:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 18:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No probs! :) Thanks a lot! And bye for now- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 18:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot! :-) - The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 13:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

This is a massive coincidence given my recent collaboration with youbut I had intended nominting this Indian template for TFD this week as I've encountered similar problems. I think a full wrapper of infobox settlement for starters given that amount of articles and then replace fully eventually. Its a nightmare of an infobox. Disucssions about it are taking place at the TFD if you or Ravichandar or anybody would like to comment. ♦ Dr. Blofeld

Re: Opinion on importance
Hi, Hover. Yes, I do agree with you. A 'standard' is needed. Your criterion is reasonable enough for me. --Góngora (Talk) 17:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Translated Parque del Plata, not the best quality on spanish wiki though. Mmm personally I think 100,000 + requirement is way too high for mid importance criteria. Barry, Vale of Glamorgan for instance has 50,000 and is definitely at least mid importance. I would lower it to 5,000. Given the size of most settlements in Uruguay I would make 50,000 the requirement for high importance and 100,000 top importance. Salto in my view is top importance being the second city of Uruguay along with Montevideo and has 99,000. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 17:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I must have made somewhere a wrong remark. Here is the latest decision: User talk:Góngora. Mid is from 8.000 to 50.000 and high over 50.000. I agree about top. Hoverfish Talk 18:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

0-7,999 low, 8,000 to 50,000 mid, 50,000-100,000 high, 100,000+ top, although I'd make Salto top importance. That looks perfect. This is the remark. I would definitely however consider all of the departments to be top importance e.g like Talk:Chubut Province. Top administrative divisions of any country are top importance I think. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 18:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

LOL yeah. In fact I think getting the department articles up to decent status is the biggest priority for WP:Uruguay right now.. Tibetan Prayer <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">᧾ 10:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm back as Blofeld now.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It was renamed back again in 2007? I've back it back then. Can you find a source to back up the naming and which is currently correct?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

No worries I found a source! Thanks for the photo!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Would be great if you could create some "barrio" type maps of the resorts like Lagomar.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've started El Bosque, Uruguay. I think its means The Forest, selva means jungle I think. Perhaps you could do a trip to Ciudad Costa next month first and photograph it well. Would like to see multiple images of the "resorts" including the main avenues. Also I like the look of that lake near the airport, which I may start and would be nice to see what it looks like. No rush though, as you said whenever you have the resources to make the trip.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but its surely better than nothing, I think..♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It had occurred to me. Maybe if we cover landmarks of Ciudad de Costa then we should split but at the moment I think it is just about OK. I mean see Template:Tirana which grew ridiculously huge.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I know, but they are relatively close and historically tied to this border and are frequently mentioned in the Chuy context.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Recognized content
That's a section most wikiprojects have. It will generate a list of articles that have been checked for good or featured status, or which appeared on the main page. A bot will generate the list at WikiProject Uruguay/Recognized content, and this will be transcluded into the wikiproject page. Right now it seems empty, because the bot has not done the work yet, but when it does it will look like WikiProject Argentina/Recognized content.

By the way, I have created an article about the Cry of Asencio, and it seems it will be on the main page in some days at the "Did you know?" section. Cambalachero (talk) 02:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:Defaultsort
Hi, Hoverfish. Thanks for the message. If I add them is just because if I don't do it, the bot usually does it for me. I don't know here on the English Wikipedia, but on ca.wiki adding these templates is (almost) compulsory, even if the title of the article is clear enough. I won't add it here if it's not necessary, though. Thank you for letting me know about this. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 17:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Chuy
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: nudge nudge
Hey there. Those version numbers are indeed from the foreign articles. Over there, when you click on "permanent link", the url in your browser will change to a string with something like "oldid=123245" at the end. That number is what you want to insert at. The other way 'round, you can get a permanent link from the English article and put that number into a parameter "insertversion=..." but the foreign ID is most important. Cheers, De728631 (talk) 18:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Ref needed
Hi, Hoverfish. I've read the article and it makes no sense as it is written now. It seems that is perhaps the result of an exaggerated translation. When I wrote it on ca.wiki some years ago, I just put that Catalonia is identified with anarchism, but this doesn't mean that it is the place with more anarchists in the world! This information needs to be modified. What I have found online is a brief historical survey of CA Progreso here (a soccer website in Spanish), where it says that originally the team's color was black. Then, it says that Progreso decided to change the color to yellow and red, literally taking them from "the Catalan flag, known also for its characteristic identification with this movement (anarchism)". It seems, then, that the choice of colors was to reinforce anarchism. Whether this information is reliable or not, I can't tell. --Góngora (Talk) 16:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Expatriates in pre-independence Uruguay? ♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Expatriates in pre-Uruguay would be fine.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Howard Bown
Thanks for letting me know. Right now it seems that those are the only ones; I'll keep an eye out for anything further. I'll never understand why people enjoy doing things like that. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, stupid kids. Hoverfish, I responded on my talk. IP hoppers are a nuisance, yes; there's little we can do. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: A wiki of Canelones
Hi, Hover. No, I didn't know about it. Thanks! We can get info from there, then. :) --Góngora (Talk) 10:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Yes, I think I know what's all about. Montevideo has a km 0 in the downtown (almost the heart of the city) and I guess that the INE takes this information into account instead of that of the border. In theory all the national routes meet or should meet at the km 0 of Montevideo, in Plaza Cagancha. Therefore, this is the point of reference that most people use. From this point until the border with Canelones in the Carrasco Bridge there may be 12 km or more, hence the difference. --Góngora (Talk) 02:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Horqueta, Uruguay
Yes, I took it from there. The INE doesn't say anything about it either. However, I think that Falling Rain was the source from which those 200 inhabitants were originally taken. It's not a reliable source but it's the only one I could find. If you say that there is another place called Paso de la Horqueta, probably it's making reference to it. I would rather move the page to Paso de la Horqueta and I would also indicate that the place is unpopulated. There are many articles on Wikipedia which refer to abandoned places or villages. I'd prefer this option instead of deleting it, because every geographic place is per se relevant, don't you think so? Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 18:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've moved the page as I told you I would do. If you type Horqueta, Uruguay on Google, you will see that there are some pics of the place (look at the abandoned church). On es.wiki it says that there is also a football club called Horqueta Wanderers, which indeed exists (it has even a page on Facebook). One local newspaper from Colonia also talks about this football club. I don't have strong feelings on the place itself but the afore mentioned fact seems to testify that the place has at least a sports club. Are you sure, then, that it's totally abandoned? I can't find solid references as far as the population is concerned but if it has a football team it seems to me that it can't be (completely) unpopulated. --Góngora (Talk) 19:26, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Tables are looking good! x 2♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. I'm engrossed in the sport of power driving at the moment..

Re: Help with a reference
Hi Hoverfish. I could not find a reference for that. In the article in spanish mentions an old hotel, with ballrooms, which is then used for concentrations sports, among other activities. But nowhere I could find some reference about this particular event. Maybe could search the old archives of newspapers, what do you think? You're welcome. Regards! MauriManya (talk) 21:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Places in Uruguay
Hi, Hover. First of all, my apologies for the delayed answer. I was enjoying my Summer holidays here and then I completely forgot your query. Regarding what you asked me, well...on ca.wiki and elsewhere (es.wiki, it.wiki, etc) we tend to use a generic name for all the "populated places". On ca.wiki, for instance, we use the term poblacions (the equivalent to "populated places" here) when we refer to both municipios and other minor populated entities. This would help you to avoid the paintaking task of categorizing these places, especially when sometimes the information available is a little bit obscure. Therefore, I'd rather make no distinction, at least in categories. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 12:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

RE:Playas en Punta Colorada
Hola Hoverfish. I read your changes on article. Are correct, the name of the beaches are San Francisco and Punta Colorada, colloquially call them Mansa and Brava, respectively. Let me help keep those changes to the article in spanish. And by the way, I'm glad you're interested in articles on Uruguay and thanks for your greetings for the triumph of La Celeste. Best regards! MauriManya (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you Dr.Blofeld, very much appreciated. Hoverfish Talk 17:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Yum, I enjoyed that cake. Very nice! Hey I'd begun creating some stubs on some more roads until I got rather eh sidetracked... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Don E stevens
Hiii can you please give me the material I have included in the above article, before it got deleted. It took lots of effort from me to include all that material, I forgot to save it fro records. can you please message that material or revert it back from deletion, so that I can elaborate (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)).

Thank you
I understand your view point. I appreciate it. (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 14:45, 9 August 2011 (UTC)).

Vandalism on Meher Baba's page
The page Meher Baba is being vandalized by users like ConcernedVancouverite. The page is being edited with statements such as Cult Leader - which was never indicated or stated by Meher Baba himself. you please take this to Administartors. (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)).

Unfortunately all this started with your inconsiderate behaviour on a very sensitive area in Wikipedia. I don't like people like you. Now try to disprove the sources that ConcernedVancouverite is citing. Hoverfish Talk 18:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Why Should I try to dispute a vandal??? I only say that, He is including that statemnt in Don E Stevens article which is unrelated - which is completely disruptive for the article. I am not into wasting time on his vandalism in Meher Babas article. (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 18:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)).

You do not want to waste any time, but you are wasting others' time. And you are wasting Meher Baba's article and you are wasting Meher Baba related articles. I don't care about any article for Don. It is only your favourite guy, not mine. I do not like cults and you are acting as if you belong to one. And don't you dare erase things from my talk page or I'll report you for it. Hoverfish Talk 18:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Hover
I don't mind falling on the grenade. --Nemonoman (talk) 04:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I am really feeling bad that such things are going on between wikipedians. You don't need to fall on granades either. Hoverfish Talk 04:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

good one
Let the discussion continue. I want to make it clear, I am not into fighting for Don E. Stevens or Meher Baba's sustainability in Wikipedia. I am in the process of finding reliable sources. regards (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2011 (UTC)).

August 2011
I noticed that your user subpage at User talk:Rohith goura/CSD may not meet Wikipedia's user page guideline. If you believe that your userpage does not violate our guidelines, please leave a note here and we can discuss it. As an alternative, you may add  to the top of the page in question and an administrator will delete it, or you can simply edit the page so that it meets Wikipedia's userpage guidelines. Thank you. <font color="#00000">RohG?? &middot; &#32; 13:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for deleting it, I know it was a very unusual way of trying to contact you. Anyway, cheers. Hoverfish Talk 13:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

HII
just go through some ones falsifying of his edits in Hyderabad article. Just notice the talk page of the recent editor secret of success (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2011 (UTC)).

I have seen you were bitten and harassed lately and this is not good. When I began contributing in wikipedia, my approach to learning was very different from yours, but of course each one has another character. IMO, you are involving others in your adventures and these others may find it irritating. I wouldn't bite, but another one might. From what I see, this editor is trying to tell you that s/he does not deem the picture of your preference appropriate for the article. I see nothing falsifying. Also I did say you shouldn't count on my further assistence, so please respect it. Hoverfish Talk 17:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The issue was resolved, I do not want to edit war for simple issue. I did not get his mean logic. (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 17:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)).

I just replaced an image that was clearly removed by the other editor and he blufss he did not remove the image. whatever the reason, is secondary, his falsification of his edits is True. Good byee (Dragonbooster4 (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)).

Re:Input needed
Hi, Hover. Sorry for the delayed answer. I've voted to keep the article. I find Dr. Blofeld's input to be interesting enough and, basically, I agree with what he has said. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 22:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

History of Uruguay
Hi, Hoverfish, thanks for caring about Uruguayan history (I see that you already are dealing with some articles about my homeland).

Let me sligtly disagree with some of your affirmations. It is true that 1973 Uruguayan coup d'état exists as an English-language article (since November 2010), and it is a very good version derived from the Spanish original. It is also true that the article Civic-military dictatorship of Uruguay is, as you say, "very poor", that is, too short. So far, I did not really "put my hands on it", I just re-touched some details (categorization + some very general facts about political parties). In my opinion: the article about the civic-military dictatorship really deserves existing as a separate entity and being expanded. There are so many facts to write about: not only an English translation of the Spanish version, but also some other viewpoints, for instance: "the Cold War and South America".

I can start adding some more text; but anything you can contribute with will be welcome.

Kind regards, --Fadesga (talk) 13:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Hoverfish. Interesting to know that you are living in Uruguay, hope you like it. And glad you are ready to collaborate with the article about the dictatorship. If you let me compare: take, for instance, 1976 Argentine coup and National Reorganization Process - both relate to Argentina and its military era, only that the first article refers to "the coup" and the second article to "the dictatorship years". As a matter of fact, the English version of the latter could be an interesting guide. Best regards, --Fadesga (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:Population of Tambores
Hi, Hoverfish. Sorry for the delayed answer. I'm busy right now and I only have access to internet on weekends. I hope I'll fix it soon. Thanks for the message. I've just changed that information and I've also added the references from the en.wiki article. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 20:49, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hola, Hoverfish. I have added the changes to article. Write me if you need help. Thanks and regards.  MauriManya (talk) 17:45, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

New article
Yes I do. --Dэя-Бøяg 20:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Redtigerxyz Talk 10:12, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Moved to Talk:Avatar. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Same to you mate, how iz things down under? I'm not as active as I once was on here but I'll try to put in some good edits!♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Your message
Thanks for the email, but I prefer to work on wiki so far as possible. The appropriate channel for your concerns is likely here. Before doing anything rash, you'll want to read up on the relevant policy. Regards, LeadSongDog come howl!  06:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you do something kind for me?
Mr. Kevin R.D. Shepherd is upset about your remark about him on your user page. In the interest of minimizing drama and encouraging him to move on from Wikipedia and live his life without worry, would you be so kind as to remove that remark?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I removed the remark, since it is for the best interest of Wikipedia. Sorry to have upset Mr. Shepherd. My intention was defending myself. Hoverfish Talk 21:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That was very kind of you. I appreciate it very much!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Barrio Los Aromos
Hello Hoverfish, yesterday i created a new article in the german-language wikipedia. Already in the process of research i had doubts concerning Barrio Los Aromos (and also some other populated places around the capital Maldonado). Is it a village or a suburb/barrio of Maldonado? INE lists Barrio Los Aromos seperatley in the statistics of 2004. Therefore i made the comclusion it is an independent/sovereign village. Otherwise this map of the Intendencia of Maldonado shows the barrios of Maldonado. Do you know a reliable source to solve this problem?--Losdedos (talk) 18:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Catalan independence
Hi, Hoverfish! Nice to hear from you. The Catalan issue is a little more complex than that. The Catalan people and culture are not limited to Spain but also to southern France, insular Italy and to the tiny landlocked country of Andorra. Therefore, I'd rather use a more general category (Europe instead of Spain), but that's only my POV and I'm pretty sure that some people would strongly disagree with me, not without reason. In other words, it's a political issue. If we understand the Catalan people as the citizens of the Spanish autonomous community of Catalonia, therefore it has to be a subcategory of «people of Spanish descent». However, if we apply the concept in its broad sense, the «European» category may be a better option than using French descent, Italian descent, Andorran, etc. Regards, --Góngora (Talk) 01:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! :) --Góngora (Talk) 22:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Avatar's Abode issue
Anybody there?

Hi - is this Hoverfish? I've been off and on contributing to Wikapedia for years but having had long gaps, am not up with how to do things - seems many more rules and regulations. I've tried editing with full referencing the Avatar's Abode article but it keeps getting wiped out, and so I re-enter it, and that too gets wiped out. Now I find I am being accused of vandalism and not responding to posts - even being "banned" when the truth is I don't even know how or where to respond, or how to enter the references. Am I in the right place here for this kind of discourse even? I can't find out where or how to email other editors, or even enter Teahouse. I should add too that I was compelled to delete a lot of what had been written in that particular article because it should really feature as a sub-section such as "Criticisms of Avatar's Abode" or "Criticism of Avatar's Abode Trust" as that seems the main thrust of the content. Also, if that is the intent, then it should allow other opinions (yes, there are other points of view and other documents on all this but how hot do you want the war to go?) My understanding of Wikapedia was that we are meant to give general, balanced, constructive information on the topics we aim to write about. I have for decades researched Avatar's Abode, interviewed scores of people there (alive and deceased) and read much more than the few references given in the original article. Can you give me a bit of guidance?

Regards

BabaisLoveRayCK 12:19, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Hoverfish

I note your interst in Avatars Abode have you ever visited there? Or do you know anything about the site. The information contained currently on wikipedia is not correct and when it was corrected by a historian who did a phd on wikapedia you felt you had the right to criticise him. I admire the many things you have on your website but when it comes to Avatars Abode those of us who live here are very protective of the place. I have had so many people contacting me because of the inaccurate articles on the page and you and others are hurting a lot of baba lovers. If you know of avatar meher baba, and you live in India and are truly a baba lover please remember babas wishes and make sure when you make a oomment you ensure you have the correct advice (unsigned by ‎User talk:Chs59) 09:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * @ Cha59. please refer extensively to Wikipedia protocols and policy. HoverFish is an excellent editor. BabaisLove made content deletions reverted by two neutral editors. I reverted his third content deletion. He could have been banned. Im glad he was not. As regards 'those of us who live here are very protective of the place 'please read about POV and neutrality. Re ' please remember babas wishes and make sure when you make a oomment you ensure you have the correct advice' Do you know the full story? Please source recent complaints made to AA trust. Re 'inaccurate articles on the page and you and others are hurting a lot of baba lovers'....what specifically do you not like? --HumusTheCowboy (talk) 23:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice
Thanks Hoverfish for taking the time to instruct on how to edit etc.... It's a lot to absorb... I'll make notes on what you've written and see how I go. Like I said earlier, my initial intent was to balance what had been written with referenced content rather than do a complete delete, but having unsuccessfully tried to enter references, I got impatient. Also as Cs59 points out, a lot of the current content is considered one-sided and unconstructive by many followers of Meher Baba. Neither is the re-hashing of past problems seen as particularly useful to a community trying to move forward. Indeed, I started the editing because I had been approached by people who were deeply shocked by what was currently on the article - especially the inferences drawn, and the lack of reference to the many other persons and factors involved in the development and history of Avatar's Abode. On their behalf, I tried to substitute with content that made less reference to individuals or incidents and instead offered a general overview. I agree that this can probably be resolved. I will try to start some of the processes you have set out, but I guess it will take time... Thanks again for the much-needed guidance. BabaisLoveRayCK 21:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaisLove (talk • contribs)

Re/ your clarification on sources
Thanks Hoverfish for the bits re/ privacy. Like I said, still learning the rules here... Verifiable sources seems a tricky one - even in academic circles like I'm accustomed to. Within spiritual groups, a lot of available documents are only published by fellow believers, as there is so little interest outside that circle. Those followers often do go to some trouble to check their sources, but even this can be meaningless to outsiders, because they don't subscribe to the belief-system that forms the basis of those works. Thus in the case of Avatar's Abode and the Meher Baba movement, there is surprisingly little written by outsiders or what the general public would view as 'objective commentators' though a vast literature exists, written by persons who are already convinced of Meher Baba's status. I know of only a couple of books (outside the Meher Baba literature) that even mention Avatar's Abode, and this is only to state it exists. What do you propose in such a case? BabaisLoveRayCK 11:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaisLove (talk • contribs)

A reply
Hi Hoverfish, Just letting you know that I replied to your message on User talk:DASHBot/Dead Links. Tim 1357  <sup style="font-family:Times new roman; font-size:small;">talk  23:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Agenda revealed on Avatar Abode edits
Hi just letting you know I have had to issue a warning to BabisLove due to various issues on the AA talk page. Its a just in case warning that may prompt him to be more careful, but sadly the warning may also be on the money. Hopefully it has a positive effect HumusTheCowboy (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

de Acosta
hello there, you just wrote, "Simon Kidd, you are removing valid information from articles without any decision having been taken in the RSN." One of the changes s/he made was to the Mercedes de Acosta page, which I've been working on. Should I return the reference deleted? Thanks much,--Classicfilmbuff (talk) 01:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

II Meeting of Wikipedians in Uruguay
PD: Sorry about my english :)

La Horqueta
Thanks, Hover. At least we have a reliable source now! Good job in updating the census. We should update this information on other wikis too. I'm currently creating articles on fr.wiki based on the information I gathered from de.wiki. I wonder how can we update all the data. A bot may be better because, at least on those wikis, there are a lot of articles! All the best. --Góngora (Talk) 20:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect! I've already included some data from the 2011 census on fr.wiki, but the list of articles is endless. If you want, and only if you want and/or have time, I would appreciate if you can give me a hand there in updating the articles. The same applies to other wikis. Regards, :) --Góngora (Talk) 22:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

RE: Can you help with any reference
Hi Hoverfish. Well, in all Montevideo maps and references of the Intendencia mention it as Pérez Castellanos (like the street in Ciudad Vieja). Only in the INE map it's mentioned as Castro Castellanos. Like in the cases of Prado - Nueva Savona or Peñarol - Lavalleja, missing the hyphen that separates. I do not know where they got the name Castro in the INE map. MauriManya (talk) 01:50, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Sockpuppets
Please report all usernames you think are of the same user at Sockpuppet investigations and provide some diffs. This procedure takes some time so start today. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Yes, been a long time since I worked on a Uruguay article. Last I heard you said you were busy with work and stuff so I haven't bothered you since!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Kothris Museum of Modern Art
Hi Hoverfish. I have to admit, I have no information about the museum at all. I was simply deorphaning articles, and had a go at this one. I guess if there is no accessible info on this museum, then it should be deleted. Please feel free to do this, I have no particular interest in the article. Please note that I also added it to List of museums in Greece. Bleaney (talk) 00:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am currently going through all lists of orphaned articles, trying to pick off as many as I can (mainly high schools, universities and museums, plus a few lists). I'm up to August 2010! I appreciate that in this process, I may uncover a few dud articles, and the hope is that by deorphaning a few of these duds, I expose them, so they can be deleted. Lokks like it worked in this case! Bleaney (talk) 00:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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MdA cit
Hello Hoverfish, Thanks so much for correcting my faulty cit. I see you do an extraordinary amount of good work on Spanish stuff. Bravo to you and happy holidays.--Classicfilmbuff (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

BQB and IB to MVD
Dear Hoverfish, for the sake of organization in the table it is better to leave IB with just the ending date. As for the starting date of BQB to MAD, it is better to mention it under the BQB destinations, when the flight is confirmed and bookable, that is when there are precise ddmmyy dates with references. Alternativelly, you can provide all information about this flight on the BQB article itself. Happy editing and big hug (Brunoptsem (talk) 15:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC))
 * By the way, thanks for keeping an eye on UY airports and BQB schedules. The latter are hard to follow because they change a lot. Grán Abrazo (Brunoptsem (talk) 15:40, 10 January 2013 (UTC))

User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/DeletionSortingCleaner
I have re-enabled the bot. The edit you claim was an error is not, in fact, an error: the linked discussion was closed in this edit, which is well before the bot removed the discussion from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Uruguay. Anomie⚔ 20:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Lots of museums in Greece...
Hi there. As you seem to have an interest in museums in Greece, I know that you will have noticed that I have added a lot of museums to the List of museums in Greece article. I'm actually doing another article deorphan round, and found these articles in Category:Orphaned articles from June 2012. There are many more museum articles from Greece in this category, so you may want to take a look at some of them. Have a good day! Bleaney (talk) 15:26, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

response
which articles are about Sanskrit words, as opposed to concepts that bear names from Sanskrit? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:45, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * the articles are not about the word, but about the concepts that the word means, any more than any other article with a foreign name. For an article about a word, see for example Lunatic that doesn't talk at all about how insane people are dealt with, Gay, which again details the word usage, and doesn't talk about gay rights, etc., and Nigger, which of course doesn't talk about African Americans, but about the use of that word. None of the articles I de-categorized are like those, they are more like dim sum, a foreign word but the article is about the cuisine not the word itself. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I see that the English categories are as you say, concise with plain word and no articles about concepts. But if I take a look at the corresponding categories of other languages I am familiar with, I see plenty of concepts, just like the Sanskrit ones in question, and they are articles about the concept the words describe, like Art Deco, Avant-garde, Banlieue, Différance, Laïcité, Geist, Republikflucht, Übermensch, Weltpolitik, Idionymon, Metousiosis, Stasis (political history), Continuismo, Guerrilla warfare, Modernismo. It's a lot of work, and I hope it will a be consistent removal of such categories all over the languages and not only from Sanskrit terms, which would be something like discrimination. Hoverfish Talk 23:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I find WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and WP:OTHERCRAP most unproductive redirects, which may unload some frustration from the person who uses them but they also often load this frustration on a person still trying to figure out what is going in a certain area. Better have things cleared out where they can easily be seen, like the header of a category. Hoverfish Talk 01:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Those need pruning as well; your assistance would be appreciated. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:30, 13 February 2013 (UTC) Just like with Sanskrit, we have articles on German words Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft for example. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Nuestra tierra
Hi Hoverfish. Thanks for pointing to the "Nuestra tierra" link - that collection is amazing (and I do have some of the original booklets here at home).

Now I am devoted to the topic "Cemeteries in Uruguay", please take a look at this template and feel free to collaborate. Thanks! Regards from Montevideo, --Fadesga (talk) 13:36, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Museums
Templating me and AFDing them is really not the way to go about it. What are you playing at? If you are certain they don't exist then I can surely db-author them? Please close the silly AFDs. Simply ask an admin to delete the problematic ones if you think I can't db author them, I'll support you as article creator. Putting them up for AFD when you know they don't stand a chance of being kept is certainly the wrong way to go about it and will waste time, not to mention humiliate me. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh I'm sure you wouldn't, but putting known dud articles up for AFD is not only time wasting asking people to write their opinion but would do little more than make me look incompetent in having created them in the first place. I've asked User:Materialscientist to delete it, should be uncontroversial, please comment there in support and give him any future ones, I trust your judgement on them. Regards.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I've redirected that one to the British museum, seems sensible. But if you have any further deletion requests just send them straight to Material scientist to delete, shouldn't be a problem, but do make fully sure they are duds!.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:51, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

About El Dorado, Canelones
Hi Hoverfish. OK, you are right, maybe "El Dorado" is not yet established as an urban entity in Canelones. But there are a couple of facts to be taken into consideration: 1) in the area of Las Piedras there are a lot of "villas", one of them is El Dorado; 2) there is a new Municipio created there, "18 de Mayo" (see es:Municipio de 18 de Mayo), which is also planned to be given the status of a city. So, El Dorado is "on the way to somewhere". If you prefer, the template of Canelones may have the "El Dorado" item hidden for now... but soon it could emerge as a new city (with that name or another). Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

FAC
Featured article candidates/Uruguayan War/archive1

structure of the articles of Uruguayan places
Hi Hoverfish. Well, your point is interesting. Thinking coldly, I agree with you that the introduction to each article should be "longer" that what I am leaving.

Maybe a way to consider it is: either at least 2 lines should be written as introductory paragraph, or we'd better leave the "long" introduction in peace (including geographic location, etc).

Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 01:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Hoverfish. I like the "Location" section, puts a lot of order there. Agree with keeping the "new" structure of the articles. Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 04:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Uruguay
Hi, Hoverfish. You are Uruguayan, right? Do you know what is the precise location of the "Isla Paraguaya"? All that I know is that it's located somewhere between the city of Melo and the old Fort of Santa Teresa. I was unnable to find a place with that name in present-day Uruguay, which makes me believe that it's a name no longer in use. If you have any information, please let me know. --Lecen (talk) 11:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm writing Portuguese invasion of the Banda Oriental (1811–12). The main problem is that the sources are usually too old and give the names of places that no longer exist without bothering to explain where they were located. Perhaps even the authors themselves didn't know the answer. My source says that the Portuguese army had departed from the town of Melo, Uruguay and headed to the Fortaleza de Santa Teresa, which is located very close to Rocha, Uruguay. Since the army took no detour and marched straight from one point to the other, I can only imagine that this "Isla Paraguaya" was located somewhere between both. I hardly believe that the name has something to do with the country known as Paraguay. --Lecen (talk) 13:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You're talking about Portuguese conquest of the Banda Oriental or Portuguese invasion of the Banda Oriental (1811–12)? --Lecen (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

There were three Portuguese invasions: I gave up working on the third one after that mess you saw over the title. One thing that I learned on Wikipedia is that there will always be editors who create a hell on articles' talk page with the intention of preventing someone of improving the article. These editors don't write, improve or expand the article. They are not there to help. You probably must have noticed that. Where are the editors who opposed me there? Did they try to improve the article? No, they didn't. Thus, my policy when faced with this kind of circumstance is not to work on the article again. I have enough headaches on real life. Having said all that, I'm using articles that deal with the second invasion, not with the third one. --Lecen (talk) 16:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * War of the Oranges (1801)
 * Portuguese invasion of the Banda Oriental (1811–12)]
 * Portuguese conquest of the Banda Oriental (1816)


 * The title I gave for the article was reverted. Since the editor who did it is right now target of an Arbitration case and I don't like him I won't discussão with him about it. I removed the "Brazilian" because it's anachronistic. The soldiers who invaded the Banda Oriental were Portuguese, regardless if they were born in Portugal or Brazil. The term "Brazilian" until then was used to represent the person who was born in Portugal but had lived in Brazil. "Brazilian" with the meaning of nationality only began to be used after 1822, when the country became independent. Do you

Accept the title "Portuguese conquest of the Banda Oriental"? --Lecen (talk) 18:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Stefan2 (talk) 15:48, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Stefan2 (talk) 12:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Churches of Montevideo
Hi Hoverfish. First of all, thanks for the picture of "San Pancracio". Now, talking about other churches in the nearby area, I must honestly say that I don't necessarily know all of them. I am using the websites of the Archdiocese of Montevideo and other Dioceses, together with other additional references I find googling. From time to time I discover some minor errors (for instance: I found that, on the website of the Diocese of Canelones, they mixed up some churches located in Atlántida, Estación Atlántida and Parque del Plata). So, don't worry, maybe one or two of the churches mentioned will suddenly "merge" ;) Best regards, --Fadesga (talk) 01:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Hoverfish. A short message to let you know that I quickly visited Nuestra Señora de la Guardia (Porongos 2278, blocks away from the Palacio Legislativo, a very humble, simple church) and San Miguel Arcángel (Concepción Arenal 1893 esq. Porongos, an average church with eclectical architecture) and re-placed them on the corresponding neighbourhoods. Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your welcome. I am a new user and I need lots of help and guidance. I am from Uruguay. User:Roxyuru

Flora in Uruguay
Hi Hoverfish! I am working on Flora in Uruguay. This page has been nominated for deletion. As a new user, I need your help. Please, check it out, review it and make any contributions that may help this process of deletion to be stopped. Roxyuru (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
For Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Spain & Spanish-related articles changes. This is still idling, if you know anyone likely to be interested to try and improve to the state of WP:FRMOS please say. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Peloponnese vs West Greece
Hi Hoverfish and thanks for your comment! I always thought Achaea as part of Peloponnese, but in this case, as you mentioned, it could be listed under West Greece. I have reverted back to West Greece. Thanks <font face="comic sans ms" color="#3351137">Odysses (₪) 19:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Greek help needed
Hello Jimmyscy, I'm contacting you because we need some Greek translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on el.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Greek Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 18:23, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not Jimmyscy, and I strongly think that the Visual Editor should be SHELVED. It is the lousiest idea I have seen implemented in Wikipedia. It messes up hidden text and other things visual editors do not see, makes it easier for people who don't give a damn about guidelines and policies to mess with article content. I think some people get paid for this development? What a pity, really. I encourage everyone to take part in this discussion and vote for shelving it: VisualEditor/Default State RFC. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 18:47, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hoverfish, I am very sorry for getting your name wrong in the above post. It was rude, and I apologize. I'd like to address some of the points you have raised.  You are worried, justifiably, about the new editors that VE may bring in, and how they may differ from our current editing community.  I'd like to point out that there is an assumption there - that learning to use markup correlates with caring about content and policies.  As we both know from our editing, we currently have editors on the project who have learned markup, but edit with strong COIs and POVs.  We also have many vandals who aren't deterred by markup.  Building good content takes strong intellectual skills - the ability to summarize sources, balance points of view, and cover topics with due weight.  These skills do not correlate in real life to the ability or desire to learn an internet markup language, or in our case, a markup language useful only on one website.  I know personally from trying to recruit people I know would be good editors (thoughtful people who respect good sources, have research skills and specialized knowledge of topics), that wikimarkup is a barrier for them. It's not because they are dumb, but because we haven't offered a user-friendly way for them to contribute. They get excited about improving an article, but then hit a wall when opening the edit window.  It's not intuitive, and especially on pages with tables and infoboxes, very confusing.  In the end, they don't stick around, or even save a first edit.  Maybe that's true also for some of the people we don't want, but I don't think it follows that markup is successfully filtering bad editors and only allowing the good ones through. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

It makes no sense for me to try to reason with someone "contracted" to spread the use of VE. For the sake of kindness, however: I didn't say that the normal wikimarkup is any kind of barrier to vandals or intentional misuse. I am saying that the VE is opening the doors wide for too much (good-faith) messy editing and I don't need to be consoled about it. I know who will have to do all the patrolling and clean-up and he or she is not going to be paid for it. I have not even once heard someone complain about difficulties in learning to use wikimarkup. I have been asked by newbies for help several times, but it has always been about understanding some policy or guideline, which I find incomparably more difficult and important. I have not even once been asked to clarify anything about the use of simple wikimarkup. The normal editor offers the option of making tables. If people still have problems, its dialogue interface can be improved. As for templates, the biggest problem is to find the proper one for each case, but once found, it is just routine filling it up. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. I do not have the time at present to express the main part of my concerns about the new changes going on. Hoverfish Talk 01:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics
Given the size of the work, and all the relevant subarticles as well, considering I have been told that they can be used in establishing notability, I have to imagine that it will require a separate page itself. That being the case, it will probably be included in a page like WikiProject Religion/Encyclopedic articles or maybe a subpage, like maybe WikiProject Religion/Public domain encyclopedic articles. Wikisource does involve proofreading, and for some of the them which run in the range of 50 to 100 pages, and that use a lot of non-standard characters, that will be a problem. Personally, I will probably myself focus on them first in my own development for WikiSource. But first the list itself would probably be a good idea, and, in all honesty, that itself might take about a month or so to prepare. If by any chance you want to start some of the articles yourself before then, though, by all means do so. John Carter (talk) 13:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

List of new religious movements
Hello! I am writing to you as you are an editor who has participated in the disccussion at List of new religious movements. There is a related discussion at the Reliable sources/Noticeboard which primarily consists of the same editors and many of the same discussion topics as the RFC. In an effort to forward the discussion to a resolution, I am inviting you to participate in the RSN thread as well. Thank you in advance for considering it. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 18:54, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

A Well Deserved Award
Thank you Blade-of-the-South, I had wanted to do this since 2006, but instead started separate articles for the books. Now it seems the time was ripe, and I am sure glad you like it. Hoverfish Talk 10:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Canelones topics
Hi Hoverfish. Let me tell you what I think of the Canelones-related topics you brought to my consideration: Regards, --Fadesga (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * El Águila: it is a "building-sculpture" which should (one day) have its own article - and, yes, it is actually located in Villa Argentina, not in Atlántida (although many people relate it to Atlántida).
 * Parque Roosevelt: it is a "park", while Parque Carrasco is a "neighbourhood" of Ciudad de la Costa. Each one should have its own article.