User:Huldra/Socin

Trying to map



For anybody reading this, please feel free to suggest solutions for those villages which I have not found, or are unsure of.Huldra (talk) 22:59, 12 March 2017 (UTC)


 * User:Huldra/Guerin
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 * Socin, 1879, p. 160

Useful map, but unfortunately not too accurate: (Note eg that on the map, Fajja   is  west of Mulebbis!)
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SocinMap.jpg


 * See also:




 * Jerusalem:  Hartmann, 1883, p. 106
 * Gaza:  Hartmann, 1883, p. 129
 * Jafa:  Hartmann, 1883, p. 136
 * Hebron:  Hartmann, 1883, p. 142


 * Schick, 1896, p. 120

p. 142

 * 237 Ibdis (ok) (done)
 * 6 Abu Dis
 * 20 Abu Ghosh (ok)
 * 75 Al-Zaitounah (abu schechedim  Guerin III, p. 35)
 * 269 Arab Suqrir (
 * 101 Aboud
 * 109 Abwein
 * 111 Ajjul (ok) (done)
 * 225 'Ajjur (ok) (done)
 * 65 Ein 'Arik

p. 143

 * 81 Ein Yabrud
 * 15 Ayn Karim
 * 64 Ein Qiniya  ain Kina  Ramallah
 * 132 Abu Shusha???? ain schems Ramle
 * 82 Ein Siniya
 * 162 Aqir (akir)
 * 272 Atlit (aklik)
 * 195 Aqqur (akur, checked: half hour from Kasla, Jerusalem)
 * 184 Allar, Jerusalem
 * 49 'Anata
 * 276 arab abu sobar (village in Gaza)
 * 270 arab satrije (Gaza: Bedouin, but also after a named place)
 * 271 arab sobar    (Gaza: Bedouin, but also after a named place)
 * 275 arab sawarike (Gaza: a village, Bedouin, between gaza and Hebron)(’Arab Sâwaharet el Wâdy, the Arabs of the deserts of the valley; in Palmer, 1881, p. 340. (Swp, map. 18, Ot, Nu: south west of Jericho????...not really a village))

p. 144
(**160 Budrus see p. 154  No Data)
 * 239 Iraq al-Manshiyya
 * 234 Iraq Suwaydan
 * 181 Artas, Bethlehem
 * 193 Artuf (checked: half hour from Sar'a)
 * 108 Bani Zeid al-Sharqiya 'Arura
 * 288 el-aschraf  (Al-Ashraf, didnt find any results) ("höhen”, meaning "height") E of Barbara, Gaza? …but there is only Al-Jiyya?
 * 93 'Atara
 * 5 al-Eizariya
 * 238 Kh Bakkar (Khirbet Baqqar is in Halhul) ?????  (Guerin III, p. 295??)
 * 155 Bil'in  (Guerin II, p. 121.  checked: SE of Bayt Nabala)
 * 290 Barbara, Gaza
 * 245 Bashshit  (Guerin, II, p.66)
 * 58 Beitunia
 * 278 Bani Suheila (Beni Eshel  Guerin II, p. 251)
 * 221 Bani Na'im   (Guerin III, p. 153)

p. 145

 * 153 Barfiliya
 * 94 Burham, Ramallah  (Guerin III, p. 39)
 * 150 Al-Barriyya
 * 253 Bayt 'Affa (Guerin II, p. 126)
 * 217 Beit Ummar (Guerin III, p. 298)
 * 22 Beit 'Anan
 * 185 Bayt 'Itab
 * 172 Bayt Dajan
 * 19 Beit Jala
 * 289 Bayt Jirja   (Guerin II, p. 173)
 * 188 Beit Jimal  (Guerin II, p. 25)

p. 146

 * 222 Bayt Jibrin
 * 23 Beit Duqqu
 * 60 Beit Hanina
 * 284 Beit Hanoun  (Guerin II, p. 175)
 * 62 Beit Iksa
 * 34 Beitillu???? see p. 148  (Arab spelling seems ok) 34 Hartmann, 1883, p. 118:  Bayt Thul!! (Bayt Thul is another village)
 * 214 Beit Kahil  (Guerin III, p. 350)
 * 283 Beit Lahia  (Guerin II, p.176)
 * 9 Bethlehem
 * 30 Beit Liqya (Guerin I, p. 347)
 * 133 Bayt Mahsir
 * 41 Bayt Naqquba

p. 147
(**Beit Ta'mir Guerin III, p. 121. No data Schick, 1896, p.  125. No data, "Half bedouin")
 * 141 Bayt Nabala
 * 186 Bayt Nattif
 * 135 Bayt Nuba
 * 102 Bani Zeid Bet rima
 * 16 Beit Safafa, beni hasan
 * 8 Beit Sahour
 * 28 Beit Sira, beni malik,
 * 21 Beit Surik
 * 163 Bayt Susin
 * 251a Bayt Tima

p. 148

 * 36 Beit Ur al-Fauqa (Guerin I, p. 346)
 * 24 Beit Ur al-Tahta
 * (Khirbet Beit Zakariyyah No Data)
 * 247 Al-Batani al-Gharbi
 * 248 Al-Batani al-Sharqi
 * 44 Beitin     (arabic spelling: ok)
 * 12 Battir, beni hasan  (arabic spelling: ok. "Mit schöner Quelle, die durch den Hof der Moschee fliesst” "With a beautiful spring flowing through the courtyard of the mosque")
 * 73 Beitillu  betula  ???? see p. 146
 * 204 Beit Ula (betula, checked: NE of Tarqumiyah)
 * 29 Biddu, Jerusalem  (arabic spelling: ok. beni malik. “Das Dorf war früher bedeutender, hat auch einen in den Felsen gehauenen Teich. Die Kreuzfahrerstrasse von Ramle nach nebi schamwil lief hier durch.“  “The village was once more important, also has a pond carved in the rock. The Crusader road from Ramle to Nabi Samwil ran through here.“
 * 125 Biyar 'Adas  NB note also 125 Fajja on p. 154
 * 43 Al-Bireh
 * 178 Bir Ma'in
 * 59 Bir Nabala
 * 76 Birzeit

p. 149
(** 277 Khan Yunis   (Typo: Guerin, III, p. 226, for Guerin, II, p. 226) NO Data. Hartmann, 1883, p. 129)
 * 154 Al-Burj, Ramle (arabic spelling: ok.  One hour from Beit Ur al-Tahta: about 3-4 miles; ok)
 * 167 Al-Burayj between Mughallis  and Saydun
 * 250 Burayr
 * 45 Burqa, Ramallah
 * 246 Barqa, Gaza  (Guerin, II, p. 68)
 * 180 al-Khader ?  el-chadr
 * 251 Hulayqat Chalafat
 * 179 Kharbatha al-Misbah  (Guerin, I, 347)
 * 206  Kharas   charas Hebron
 * 266 Al-Khisas, Gaza
 * 88 Khirbet Abu Falah (chirbet abu fellah. checked: SE of Turmus Ayya)
 * 79 Abu Qash (chirbet abu kaschsch  (Strohbesitzers=Straw owners) checked: W of Surda)

p. 150

 * 32 Khirbat al-'Umur   (Chirbet al amur, checked: S of Abu Ghosh, E. of Saris.)
 * 202 chirbet al-asad (Guerin, III, p. 322. Hartmann, 1883, p. (no results)145  Located just south-east of Jarash, Jerusalem)
 * (Chirbet el-jehud, by Battir. (Guerin, II, p. 387) No Data) (no results)
 * 14 Khirbat Al-Lawz
 * 26 Kharbatha al-Misbah sherbet misbah  (in the list between Al-Qubeiba, Jerusalem and Qatanna —> nada!..or only Kh. Beit Shebab)  User:Makeandtoss, I don't get this to fit with Kharbatha al-Misbah, I think that village is on Socin, p. 149. The info there fits with the Guerin ref. Huldra (talk) 22:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure it is.. The Arabic word in Socin matches. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I have to spend some more time on Guerin, it seems. Thanks for your good work, now I have to figure out where number 179 on p. 149 is....Huldra (talk) 20:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

p. 151

 * 138 Khulda
 * 176 Daniyal danjal
 * 230 Al-Dawayima dawaime
 * 264 Idnibba  (Guerin,  II, p.89)
 * 100 Deir Abu Mash'al
 * 72 Deir 'Ammar (checked: between  Beitillu and Ras Karkar)
 * 190 Dayr Aban (derban Typo: Guerin III, p. 323; for Guerin II, p. 323)
 * 66 Deir Ibzi (der bezei N. of Bethoron, that is, N. of Beit Ur al-Fauqa and Beit Ur al-Tahta)
 * 46 Deir Dibwan
 * 224 Deir al-Dubban
 * 90 Deir Jarir  der edschrer
 * 33 Dayr Ayyub  der eijub

p. 152

 * 279 Deir al-Balah
 * 197 Dayr al-Hawa
 * 196 Dayr al-Shaykh
 * 286 Dayr Sunayd   (Guerin,  II, p. 174)
 * 106 Deir as-Sudan
 * 103 Bani Zeid der Ghassana
 * 42 Deir Yassin
 * 156 Deir Qaddis
 * 137 Dayr Muhaysin
 * 98 Deir Nidham (der nizam, beni zeid)
 * 142 Dayr Tarif
 * 130 Jarisha (deschelscheh,  checked:  6000 M. NE of Jafa. Hartmann, 1883, p. 137,  noted 38 houses)
 * 285 Dimra (checked: Guerin,  II, p. 174)
 * 159 Qibya????  Doukiye, (Ramleh) Hartmann, 1883, p. 140,  noted 66 houses.

p. 153

 * 281 Jabalia (N. of Gaza)
 * 69 Al-Janiya  (el-dschanije, beni harit. NWW of Ramallah)
 * 79a el-dschanije (Ein Theil von Jifna?)
 * 48 Jaba', Jerusalem  (dscheba  Bireh)
 * 53 al-Judeira   (el-dschedire, dschebel el-kuds; E  of  Al Jib; el-dschib)
 * 71 Jammala  dschemali,
 * 189  Jarash, Jerusalem dscherrasch  (Guerin III, p. 322  dscherrasch  Schick, p. 123)
 * 63 Al Jib  (el-dschib;   dschebel el-kuds)
 * 96 Jibiya, Ramallah (dschibija, checked:  Guerin III, p. 37, Hartmann, 1883, p. 106,  noted 12 houses)  in Template:Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate
 * 80 Jifna
 * 274 Al-Jiyya????   (Dschije, Gaza, Nach  Julis, Gaza genannt)
 * 110 Jilijliya  beni zeid,  in Template:Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate,  Schick, p. 124)
 * 139 Jimzu dschimzu
 * 232 Jusayr
 * 13 Al-Jura, Jerusalem (el-dschora, beni hasan, grube=pit)
 * 292 Al-Jura, (dschora, checked:   NE of Aschelon)
 * 273 Julis, Gaza  dschulis
 * 77 Dura al-Qar' (Guerin III, p. 42)
 * 215 Dura, Hebron

p. 154

 * 160 Budrus (also on  p. 144  Ebdus)
 * 294 al-Ubeidiya???? Ebedije 154 S. 45 H.   Hartmann, 1883, p. 149: bedouin
 * (130 Edschreisch No Data) Hartmann, 1883, p. 137  noted  38 houses in ed-dscherische,   Jarisha????
 * 134 Al-Qubab el Ekbab  (Guerin I, p. 56ff)
 * 243 Al-Maghar Emghar  (Guerin II, p. 36).  Also gives name as Höhle=cave
 * 177 Innaba
 * 268 Isdud (Hartmann p. 131: 331 houses)
 * 210 as-Samu
 * 218 Beit Fajjar faddschar
 * 233 Al-Faluja
 * 125 Fajja  (Note also 125  Biyar 'Adas  p. 148)
 * 127 fruchije Jafa. Hartmann, p.  136  The closest is Al-Muwaylih, to the east. See  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SocinMap.jpg
 * SWP map 13: Ferrekhiyeh
 * Guerin, 1875, p. 372, SWP II, p. 251, Palmer, p. 214,
 * 1922: p. 20
 * 1931: p. 13
 * 1945: cannot find it?
 * Today: ~> presently part of Hod HaSharon park


 * Habakuk (Tobler, 1854, vol 2, p. 573)
 * 140 Al-Haditha, Ramle
 * 216 Halhul
 * 267 Hamama

p. 155
(**121 ibn abrak, see jabrak (below) No Data)
 * 235 Hatta, Gaza
 * 287 Hiribya?? check Robinson. Hartmann, 1883, p. 130, noted 58 houses
 * 51 Hizma
 * 254 Huj, Gaza (Guerin II, p. 292)
 * 182 Husan   (Guerin II, p. 385)
 * 212 Idhna (Guerin II, p. 364)
 * 2 Isawiya
 * 121 Al-Khayriyya (jabrak, ibn abrak, Jafa van de Velde: "el Nimrak")
 * 83 Yabrud, Ramallah jabrud, beni murra
 * 35 Yalo
 * 259 Yasur, Gaza  (jasur, Guerin, II p. 67)
 * 209 Yatta, Hebron
 * 173 Yazur???? Hartmann, 1883, p. 138, noted 111 houses
 * 240 Yibna
 * 169 Al-'Abbasiyya
 * 199 Al-Qabu (Guerin II, p.384)
 * 277a kala???? Gaza, by  Khan Yunis
 * 57 Kalandia
 * 37 Qalunya (Guerin I, p. 257ff)
 * 231 Karatiyya   (Guerin, II p. 124)
 * 105 Qarawat Bani Zeid Karawa

p. 156

 * 40 Al-Qastal, Jerusalem (beni Malik, “Auf einer Bergkuppe gelegen.”)
 * 263 Qastina (Guerin II, p. 87, see p. 162)
 * (Katamon No Data) (Tobler, 1854, vol 2, p. 892)
 * 27 Qatanna (check: katane N of Abu Ghosh, "in einem engen Thale gelegen, welches Gärten bewässert.")
 * 244 Qatra ("Tropfen"="drops", Gaza. check: SE of jebna, Yibna)
 * 104 Kafr Ein
 * 55 Kafr 'Aqab
 * 171 Kafr 'Ana  (Lydda) (Hartmann, 1883, p. 138,  noted 153 houses)
 * 97 Umm Safa kefr Eschwa   120 S., 24 H. (Guerin III, p.  39. N. of dschibija Jibiya, Ramallah, and there is only  Umm Safa)  (Hartmann, 1883, p. 106: 24 houses) Ishwa
 * 89 Kafr Malik (beni salim)
 * 68 Kafr Ni'ma ("Dorf von Wohlhabenheit”=“the village of Prosperity”; beni harit)
 * 165 Qazaza  (kezaze 133 S., 89 H. “Glas"="glass"; checked: 2 hours SE of Shahma, Schahme)
 * 194 Kasla, Jerusalem kesla   83 S., 29 H. (checked: 3 1/2 to 4 hours west of Jerusalem)
 * 95 Kobar
 * 252 Kawkaba
 * (134 el-kebab ? No data) el-kubab => Al-Qubab
 * (159 Qibya kubbije ? No data) Hartmann, 1883, p. 140, noted 66 houses (same as the one in p152)

p. 157

 * 25 Al-Qubeiba, Jerusalem Beni Malik. Hartmann, 1883, p. 118, also noted 12 houses
 * 241 Al-Qubayba, Ramle (Guerin II, p. 52)
 * 223 Kudna (Guerin II, p. 367)
 * 144 Qula
 * 227 Barqusya  (Kusijia:  Guerin II, p. 121)
 * 39 Lifta
 * 126 Al-Mirr el-mahmudije by Jaffa
 * 10 Malha
 * mar eljas
 * mar zakarja (Guerin I, p. 100) (Tobler, 1854, vol 2, p. 355)
 * 107 Bani Zeid al-Sharqiya Mazari al-Nubani E. of Karawa Qarawat Bani Zeid
 * 152 al-Midya (el-medje: E. of Jimzu)
 * 265 Al-Majdal, Askalan  (Guerin II, p. 130)
 * 166 Mughallis         (Guerin II, p. 98)
 * 258 Al-Masmiyya al-Kabira   (Guerin II, p. 88)
 * 145 Al-Muzayri'a (old temple: correct, but Arabic spelling is wrong)
 * 86 Al-Mazra'a ash-Sharqiya (S. of Turmus Ayya: correct)

p. 158

 * 74 Al-Zaitounah al-Mazra'a al-Qibliya: between Al-Zaitounah, abu schechedim,  and Beitillu
 * 47 Mikhmas, Guerin III, p. 63 NB: Schick, p. 121, writes that this locality is on Socin, p. 153. That is clearly a typo, this place is on Socin, p. 158 (The number of inhabitants, 120 males, is correct)
 * 124 Mulebbis, mulebbes, present Petah Tikva    "eingehüllt"="Wrapped",  Palmer, p. 216: "obscure." SWP map 13, On a hill, anhöhe, 2 3/4 hours NE of Jaffa.
 * 161 Ni'lin close to Deir Qaddis
 * 149 Al-Na'ani
 * 175 Nabtije???? between  Daniyal  and Al-Safiriyya, but only Lod and Ramle there???? (took a look at google maps, no luck. Difficult to tell without a translation)   Hartmann, 1883, p. 148
 * 291 Ni'ilya
 * 282 Nazla
 * 280 Nabi Rubin
 * 99 Nabi Salih
 * 61 Nabi Samwil
 * 255 Najd, Gaza
 * 205 Nuba, Hebron
 * 54 Rafat, Jerusalem
 * 56 Al-Ram
 * 91   Rammun Ramun, beni salim
 * 50 Ramallah  "north of Mikhmas, on a rocky hill." This is Ramallah according to Hartmann, 1883, p. 127 but Schick, 1896, p. 121 writes that Socin missed it, and on p. 122 he  writes that this is  Rammun. However, look at the large population:  much more likely that this is indeed Ramallah. Also, User:Huldra/Ben-Arieh gives  No. 91 as Rammun. User:Huldra/Ben-Arieh gives this as Ramallah
 * 224 Ra'na

p. 159

 * 170 Rantiya
 * 70 Ras Karkar
 * 200 Ras Abu 'Ammar
 * 295 ‘Arab al-Rashayida?????? According to Hartmann, 1883, p.  149, no. 293 to 297 were Bedouin places
 * 4 Jerico
 * 67 Saffa, Ramallah
 * 198 Saffa (Hebron E of Bayt Jibrin) ?????? Hartmann, 1883, p. 148
 * 174 Al-Safiriyya
 * 201 Sufla (Guerin III, p. 321)
 * 296 sa'idije  (bedouin)
 * 168 Saydun
 * 219 Sa'ir (Guérin, III, p. 150)
 * 123 Saqiya
 * 115 Abu Kabir (Saknet Abu Kebir)
 * 117 saknet
 * 116 saknet el-dschebebelije
 * 112 saknet el-maslach

p. 160
(** 198 sanke No Data)
 * 112 saknet es-sebil
 * 119 saknet scheich derwisch
 * 114 saknet scheich ibrahim
 * 113 saknet scheich raschid
 * Web results say saknat (sg. sakneh) are Jaffa neighborhoods. Ajami, Jaffa was a sakneh. No wiki results.
 * 122 Salama, Jaffa
 * 131 Al-Mas'udiyya => samwil (bedouin)
 * 191 Sar'a
 * 146 Sarafand al-Amar
 * 147 Sarafand al-Kharab
 * 31 Saris
 * 18 Sataf

Sawafir

 * Al-Sawafir al-Gharbiyya??
 * Al-Sawafir al-Shamaliyya??
 * Al-Sawafir al-Sharqiyya??
 * PROBLEM: 3 Sawafir villages mentioned, *all* have Guerin, p. 82 ref…
 * compare Robinson and Smith, 1842, vol 3, 2. appendix, p. 118
 * which is
 * Matched using this source although this source shows that the west sawafir is different than ode sawafir.


 * 256 Sawafir ode 171 s, 55 h. In 1863 Guerin noted Al-Sawafir al-Sharqiyya as the largest, so this is probably  Sawafir ode.  Al-Sawafir al-Gharbiyya
 * 260 Sawafir el-maktas 58 s, 29 h The only sawafir left is the northern. Al-Sawafir al-Shamaliyya
 * 261 Sawafir el-masalki 84 s, 23 Al-Sawafir al-Sharqiyya

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(*Sheikh Badr No data)
 * 297 sawahiret el-wad (beduin)
 * 52 Shuafat
 * 164 Shahma, schahme
 * 158 Shuqba, (N. of Deir Qaddis, W. of Bayt Nabala)
 * 17 Sharafat, East Jerusalem

p. 161

 * 129 scheich musa (Sheikh Musa) according to map, between Abu Kabir and Al-Mas'udiyya, …possibly Saknet Hammad on SWP 13, presently Montefiore, Tel Aviv or Sarona (colony). See User:Orest2000/Palestinian maqams, Maqam (Qubbat) Sheikh Murad and Commons cat, Petersen, p. 101
 * 157 Shabtin (Shatin)  article not yet made, see Talk:Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate
 * 220 Ash-Shuyukh (Schijuch Guérin, III, p. 150)
 * 151 Shilta  (Schi’ra. Checked ok with Socin map, and noted east  of Jimzu)
 * 192 Ishwa   Schu’a  (Typo:  Guérin, III, p. 12 vs. Guérin, II, p. 12)
 * 84 Silwad
 * 1  Silwan
 * 85 Sinjil
 * 38 Suba, Jerusalem
 * 236 Summil
 * 249 Simsim, Gaza (Guérin, II, p. 293)
 * 7  Sur Baher
 * 78 Surda
 * 207 Surif
 * 293 taamire, (no results)
 * 213 Taffuh
 * 92 Taybeh

p. 162

 * 136 tarafat Ramle
 * 226 Tell es-Safi
 * 262 Tall al-Turmus
 * 203 Tarqumiyah
 * 257 Al-Tina              (also Guérin, II, p. 88!)
 * 143 Al-Tira, Ramle
 * 3  At-Tur (Mount of Olives)
 * 87 Turmus Ayya
 * 208 Khirbat Umm Burj
 * 183 Wadi Fukin
 * 148 wadi Echnin = Wadi Hunayn?? between Al-Na'ani and Sarafand al-Amar/Sarafand al-Kharab  (Check Arab spelling)

p. 163

 * 11 al-Walaja
 * 187 Az-Zakariyya
 * 242 Zarnuqa
 * 229 Zayta, Hebron
 * 228 Zikrin
 * 211 ad-Dhahiriya ez-zuhrije Hebron