User:Ikip/fy

Disruption of AfD by merging during discussion or fait accompli

 * Taking a cue from
 * RfAr/Episodes and characters 2#Fait accompli — March 2008
 * Editors at AfD "should not present opponents with a fait accompli or to exhaust their ability to contest the [a] change."
 * Much discussion at WT:AFD#Merging during live AfD. No consensus that this is acceptable
 * current threads on User talk:A Nobody @ #Mergers of current AfDs again,see also #AfDs and sourcing, and #Merging articles during AfDs (oldid: )
 * AfD/Jimmy Patterson — September 2009 (No consensus)
 * AfD/Manon Batiste — September 2009 (No consensus)
 * During both of these discussions, merges were performed to other articles with the intent of pre-empting an outcome of delete. The talk pages were tagged with copied to assert that:
 * "[the articles] must not be deleted so long as [other articles] exists".
 * This was taken further after it was pointed out that this was disruptive.
 * Talk:Jimmy Patterson (oldid:, , , )
 * Talk:Manon Batiste (oldid:, , )
 * Much the same occurred during:
 * AfD/Isola (fictional island) — August 2009 (No consensus) and
 * AfD/Todd Williams (The Young and the Restless) — August 2009 (Redirect to The Young and the Restless minor characters)
 * without the explicit copied tagging. The same claims that the articles could not now be deleted were made.
 * DRV:Isola, claim:, merges: , ,
 * Todd Williams merge:.
 * AfD/Grail (DC Comics) which also nomed Salvation, Texas — July 2009 (No consensus)
 * Salvation, Texas was about a fictional comic book town; the AfD was taken totally off the rails by A Nobody adding in false claims that it was also a real town and adding material about an unrelated book and an unrelated film. No consensus. Article is now about the film and the book was split-off and the next AfD was confounded, too:
 * AfD/Salvation, Texas (book) — August 2009 (Keep)
 * even DGG was only up for an article on the romance novel author.
 * AfD/Battle of the Windmill (Animal Farm) — July 2009 (Merge to Animal Farm)
 * Claims per the GFDL, we cannot delete this article's edit history when no merge was actually performed (to Animal Farm, presumably)
 * AfD/Rebecca Hendrix — April 2009 (Merge to List of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit characters)
 * Merged content from article to List of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit characters and Mary Stuart Masterson  with intent of precluding a delete outcome
 * Called on it by Collectonian and Jack Merridew
 * A Nobody claims that the content can not now be deleted per Merge and delete.
 * Warning from Backslash Forwardslash — September 2009 — re Merging articles during AfDs:
 * ... I am concerned about some of the seemingly underhanded methods you commit during AfDs. To me, merging an article and then claiming the GFDL protects the article from deletion is somewhat suspect and almost is a swipe at the AfD process. ... It clouds the debate, distracts participants from the points of contention and doesn't seem very honest. plus a comment in WT:AFD thread.
 * A Nobody's reply; much heel digging-in.
 * Backslash Forwardslash's reply;
 * The downside I'm trying to convey to you is that for all practical reasons, I cannot see that the benefits of not waiting three or four days and heightening the battleground atmosphere as opposed to simply waiting and possibly having more editors assist after a merge closure.
 * A Nobody's reply;
 * All I know is that the results of my merge resulted in an article getting a DYK (see notice below). Should not that be what we are really after?
 * Lamia (vampire folklore) — September 2009; created by single-purpose account: User:TheVampireMerchant (6 edits)
 * Originally plot summary about vampires in the Night World young adult novels. Taken to AfD by TTN. A Nobody repeatedly adds sources that partially re-topic the article into being a fork of Lamia (mythology).
 * Merges bits into Night World (bits he had *just* added to Lamia (vampire folklore)) and copied-tags Talk:Lamia (vampire folklore) to assert that:
 * "Lamia (vampire folklore) now serves to provide attribution for content in Night World and must not be deleted so long as Night World exists."
 * Various objections raised in the AfD:, , ,
 * Plea by Fences and windows to "please, please, please stop this kind of indiscriminate inclusionism."