User:Ilmari Karonen/sandbox/test1

Shyam ( T / C ) 14:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The person who added Replaceable fair use disputed did not provide a reason for disputing. Since this person is still alive, it seems to me that a free image could be created to replace this one. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

This image was taken from a vantage point which no longer exists. The building of an Estates Office at Dublin City University prevents a similar photograph being taken, removing tags.


 * Please do not remove tags out of process. This should be discussed here, and the processing admin should make the decision. Regarding your statement, the article is not about one particular view of the Helix. It's about the building in general. Any image of the building, from any angle, would replace this image just as well. – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no fair use rationale about that particlular view. From some other view, similar free image could be taken. Shyam  ( T / C ) 14:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it.

What debate?, as far as I can see there was no debate. This is a particularly good image of the arts centre in question and there is no valid reason for its removal.

Arguing that an image of the building from any angle would do is like taking a photograph of Queen Elizabeth's anus and putting it up on wikipedia's entry for Queen Elizabeth arguing that it is still a photograph of the queen, regardless of the angle it was taken from.


 * No it isn't, and you have yet to explain why it is of critical importance to the article that we use an image from this particular angle to ilustrate the building. Surely a suitable photo could be created from some angle. --Sherool (talk) 15:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It is the only frontal image of this theatre in existance and the company that produced it doesn't mind us using it. Why should wikipedia have to endure substandard images when better images are freely available?

It is the only image where you can see the full building from the front, other images taken from awkward angles are deceiving to the viewer.


 * If it is impossible to take a picture of the building from this vantage, it must therefore be impossible to see the building from that vantage, therefore the image is deceptive and should not be used in any case. "doesn't mind us using it" is absolutely not a valid argument, the Wikipedia is designed to so that other users downstream may take our images and use them in any way, including disparaging the subject of the image, including it in pornography, and so forth. Images that may not be used in this way are not allowed on the Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions -- when it would be impossible to create an image that serves more or less the same purpose. OK, we get it that you like the image, but come on, it simply is against Wikipedia policy to use it. Herostratus 07:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

If I want to take an image similar to this I'd have to go on the roof of a building called the "Dublin City University Estates Office" which they won't allow anyone to do. Also, I'm pretty sure that no-one in that office is even vaguely interested in taking a photograph from that vantage point themselves. The building exists in the state as shown in the photograph, but realistically I don't think that anyone could now take a frontal photograph of the whole building in one shot without a helicopter, which I unfortunately do not have access to.