User:Improv/chuckf conversation 30nov2004

Below is a conversation on IRC on the wikipedia channel. Chuck F is Visitor-8315C

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&gt; Visitor: So chuck, why don't we take this to mediation or arbitration? Wouldn't it be simpler than these endless reverts? &lt;Vague_Rant&gt; Although evidence that it was Wik can't be released. &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; :( &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; rick is kinda mean &lt;Vague_Rant&gt; Chuck already is in ArbCom, isn't he? &gt; Visitor: I heard though that you've been banned from editing libertarian-related articles, no? &lt;Vague_Rant&gt; Rick is gone. &lt;silsor&gt; rickk is prickly but effective &lt;Vague_Rant&gt; He's on a wikivacation. &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; he'll be back sooner or later &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; i suggest you do the same chuck  &lt;Arminius&gt; Rickk will most likely be back...unless he decides to get a life &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; Actually thanks to me bringing an arbcom case against reithy and him trolling me, i'm banned from editing all +articles, which pretty much has shown me the use of talk as being ineffective now, becasue people don't have to have a reason &lt;Arminius&gt; yowza &gt; Visitor: If you're banned from editing all articles, why are you still editing articles? &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; because the articles are wrong &lt;Arminius&gt; is wal-mart paying you to do this? &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; what's was wrong with the articles chuck? &gt; Visitor: If you're not welcome to edit the articles, STOP EDITING THE ARTICLES. Geez &lt;Arminius&gt; or at least try to build up a false identity and edit that way &lt;Arminius&gt; ...actually no &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; just take breather chuck &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; Mainly the fact that these people refuse to accept the word modern mainstream as being anything but a weseal-word, +when it's quite impossible to argue against it &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; (wik-vaction) &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; vacation* &lt;Comrade_Nick&gt; brb * Submarine ignores Visitor-8315C *** Signoff: Vague_Rant (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; Submarine - thanks, But they were asking me what my problem was, I wasn't spouting off in the channel &gt; Visitor: We have a disagreement over the facts, and most people think you're wrong. Instead of abiding the rules of the site, you +act rude, dodge bans, and stuck your stuff in anyhow /whois Visitor-8315C *** Visitor-8315C is ~dasd@r019195.203112.miinet.jp (cds) *** on channels: #wikipedia *** on irc via server irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/) *** Visitor-8315C has been idle 13 seconds, signed on at Tue Nov 30 03:39:22 2004 *** Visitor-8315C : End of /WHOIS list. &lt;Arminius&gt; re rant &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; Submarine - And why do you have to mention the fact you do it? that's really rude, the only reason to mention the +fact is to be mean &lt;Arminius&gt; visitor:considering how easy it is to reverse people at wikipedia...you won't really ever "get your way" through +circumvnting bans &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; Arminius - but when they are really minor things like the fact disambigs are normally at the top not the bottom and +nobody will listen to you thanks to the fact you have a temp injuction &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; it's possible you might get your way eventually on that &gt; Visitor: Don't edit means DON'T EDIT. &gt; Visitor: Until the ban is over, your input is not welcome. &lt;Arminius&gt; visitor:is it worth risking a longer ban over sucha trivial issue? &lt;Submarine&gt; Improv, I think it's hopeless. &lt;Submarine&gt; Don't feed the troll. &lt;silsor&gt; doesn't sound like a troll to me &gt; Submarine: It's important to try to keep dialogue open in some form while he's still editwarring &lt;Arminius&gt; submarine:don't inflame the situation &gt; Submarine: If you prefer it happen elsewhere, I can understand though. &lt;silsor&gt; trolls get a kick out of your reaction, visitor is reacting &lt;silsor&gt; trolls enjoy creating controversy, visitor would rather have his own way in the controversy &lt;silsor&gt; there's a big difference &gt; For what it's worth, I don't think Chuck is a troll, I just think he has a strong point of view and he is unwilling to follow +proper process in the dispute because any other views are an abomination &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; why are you reverting wal-mart? check out the talk page, we've come to an agreement that examples of critcism belong +on another page &gt; Visitor: You are banned from editing. Any of your edits are to be reverted on sight. &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; oh, wow somebody updated the numbers &lt;silsor&gt; yes &lt;Visitor-8315C&gt; see, this is why I keep reverting improv - Because I can't discuss any changes with anybody, nobody will listen on +talk thanks to me having disagreements with reithy, who was obviously a troll &gt; Visitor: Both you and Reithy are seen as trolls. &lt;Vague_Rant&gt; Some people need to restart their computers. * Vague_Rant needs to restart his computer. &gt; Visitor: You will be unable to discuss your changes with anybody until your ban wears off, and so far, you're just making it more +and more likely to be a very long ban indeed. &gt; Visitor: Take a break, wait for it to expire, and then talk before editing, regardless of your notion of right or wrong. &gt; Visitor: You want to be listened to, you need to be civil. If you're not, you won't be listened to, and your points, no matter how +good they may be, will be ignored. &lt;Arminius&gt; improv is right, a little civility goes a long way &gt; Visitor: Geez, cut it out. You're still doing it. &lt;Arminius&gt; wow if I can postpone this presentation a day and clean this up, it will be pretty good &lt;Arminius&gt; improv:you have warned him enough IMO &gt; Arminius: I guess that's true. *** Signoff: _sj_z (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) &lt;Arminius&gt; I think theoretically you were supposed to do something after he/she admitted violating an injunction &gt; Arminius: I'm not an admin :) &lt;Arminius&gt; oh &lt;Arminius&gt; is anyone else here an admin? &gt; I am an old user, but never was nominated for Admin :) &gt; Probably some idle people &lt;gentgeen_&gt; normally &lt;silsor&gt; yes, but I'm going to bed now &lt;Arminius&gt; I am sortof out of commission right now &lt;Arminius&gt; silsor quick block *** ambi (ambi@125.b.002.gee.iprimus.net.au) has joined channel #wikipedia &lt;Arminius&gt; oh wait &lt;silsor&gt; what why where when how who &lt;Arminius&gt; improv tell ambi the IP &lt;silsor&gt; how are you out of commission? &gt; 200.226.137.10 and 200.226.137.11 *** ambi is ambi@125.b.002.gee.iprimus.net.au (ambivalenthysteria) *** on channels: #wikipedia *** on irc via server irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/) *** ambi has been idle 47 seconds, signed on at Tue Nov 30 05:00:24 2004 *** ambi : End of /WHOIS list. &lt;ambi&gt; whos IP? &lt;OldakQuill&gt; Does Rock formation refer to the actual creation of the rock - igneous etc. - or the structure that we see today +due to weathering &gt; ambi: More open webproxies Chuck F found