User:Improv/gnaa irc

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hi  dylian have you been to #gnaa,0 yet *JesuitX* sites consisting of hundreds of members such as brawl-hall.com have buckled under +us  maybe you'd like to join GNAA Improv: It's quite notable by VfD standards, and you're abusing VfD. dylain: i think people united by being in front of screens all day? virtual +worlds? This is the third time.  Improv: you QUITE obviously didn't even bother LOOKING *** Mode change "+l 63" on channel #GNAA by goat-see hmm gasjews: Pretty much. *JesuitX* let me fill you in on a little secret  dylian have you been to #GNAA,0 yet *JesuitX* wikipedia doesn't care about you heh improv: "notable" is a slippery slope  malkav_: shut up > dylain: I am violating no Wikipedia policy, and am acting in the best interests of +wikipedia people have such a funny relationship with the word 'nigger' *JesuitX* the leaders of wikipedia are making a blind profit off of internet evangelists +like yourself Improv, is the Wikipedia server out of disk space or something? improv: so you say  Improv: like the past 2 votes for deletion? improv: you are obsessive about this however *JesuitX* YOUR opinion matters to no one  Improv: you still can't claim ignorance on that *JesuitX* nor does ours Improv: No. This is the third VfD, and the past two failed. Also, you need to go +get laid. *JesuitX*> Of course not, but I care about it.  unless you just saw the title *JesuitX* nobody cares about you, you are one person You are acting in the best interest of yourself *JesuitX* nobody cares about us  and went "omg nigger" and listed it *JesuitX* we are man *JesuitX* y  Improv, how are you? By removing an article about a factual organization that +people have repeatedly found useful for understanding our organization?  because on the talk page incase you havent noticed nobody really gives a fuck about your opinion in real +life Pi: Indeed, and I think that's one of two main reasons behind this jihad. *JesuitX* wikipedia doesn't want your support to help further the "goals" of the stie  at the very top improv: do you deny that trolling is part of internet culture? so you take your anger out on wikipedia articles *JesuitX* you are there to make profiteers money timecop, he is acting in the best interests of NO ONE *JesuitX* and you're ok with this?  were TWO VfD archives Improv: PLEASE GET LAID HE IS AN IDIOT AND A NERD > Popeye: Your group's entry was not encyclopedic  dylain: can it about being laid  Improv, why not improv: isn't "our best interests" a cliche for social authoritarianism? improv: you keep repeating that, but offer no reasoning  who made you the boss of whether something is "encyclopedic" <Impi> Improv: we need to get to know each other > Knowledge is not an anarchy I can't take this anymore. I'm going back to working on calculus. improv: neither is it linear first http://www.iichan.net/b/res/21133.html wtf improv: you need to find a balance in the middle > Popeye: That's how VfD works I would just like to get to know you *JesuitX* Do you also realize the GNAA consists of over 100 members in 10 different +countries? <Popeye> Improv, the GNAA is real, it has been through the VfD three times, it is +noteworthy, what are you trying to do, other than cause trouble improv: and how it is abused *JesuitX* thats a larger organization than many listed on wikipedia *JesuitX* according to wikipedia's supposed reason for existence Improv, you should join the GNAA. It's great what you're doing to destroy +Wikipedia. <Popeye> the very fact that you are arguing with us proves that GNAA is noteworthy <Pi> Improv: you're no different than Silentcrs chaning the thing to a mockery *JesuitX* we belong on there <Pi> changing ON THE CHAN GANG *JesuitX* we ARE the internet's counterculture > reubkg: My days of writing virii and the like are over. <Impi> Improv: I don't think you are Net worthy *JesuitX* we are the ONE and ONLY trolling organization improv: don't let guilt choke you Improv, the GNAA does not write viruses. improv: but have you ever had sex with a black man? *JesuitX*> Your posturing isn't helpful <Pi> Not sure when this was last up for deletion <Popeye> Improv, you are welcome to dislike GNAA, but leave the entry alone. You have +failed to demonstrate that it is not noteworthy <Pi> He starts off with a lie. *JesuitX* try and take what im saying to consideration <Impi> YHBO HAND <Pi> POV, *JesuitX* you're attempting to assist an attempt to create censorship *JesuitX* is this what you believe in? <Pi> Wrong <Impi> right <Pi> the article was decided neutral POV last time. <Tar_Work> HELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO +SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLLC3VBHELPING TO SCROLL <Pi> and the time before that. *JesuitX*> Censorship, done carefully, is always part of knowledge. improv: RACIST!!1!! (just kidding) *JesuitX* wrong <Pi> Not notable: lie. see above. *JesuitX* that's a terrible thing to believe *JesuitX* censorhip has destroyed america my friend *JesuitX* knowledge is FREEDOM *JesuitX* censorship is NOT <Pi> I can go on. *JesuitX*> Sounds a bit bakunistic to me <Pi> but I think you see the point *whiplash* #brained is not #gnaa Improv, did you know that 100 THOUSAND people have viewed the premier GNAA shock +site project? <Pi> Improv fails at censoring the GNAA article on wikipedia *JesuitX* how do you give a child a choice when you force the 10 commandments on them *whiplash* we don't care why you listed gnaa anywhere <Popeye> yes <Popeye> it won't get deleted That is a lot of people. <Pi> He fails it harder than SilentCrs <Popeye> too many "yes" votes *JesuitX* how do you give a child a choice when you will not allow educators to teach +evolution improv: please visit the premier GNAA shock site project *JesuitX* can you tell me? > JesuitX I am atheist. Don't play that card with me. it's quite a trip *JesuitX* no, you cannot *** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by tirel *** Mode change "-v Improv" on channel #GNAA by tirel improv: do you distrust god? <Pi> too many people tired of voting to keep *** Mode change "-m" on channel #GNAA by Pi <Impi> no tirel *** Mode change "-o tirel" on channel #GNAA by Pi improv: the reason i don't like the god-concept is that it is linear > gasjews: There are no gods. <Impi> dont stoop to his fucked shriveled dickness improv: and no masters *** tirel has left channel #GNAA because ( I'm very fond of postfix stackbased +concatenative functional programming languages.) *** tirel (54514@lyc) has joined channel #GNAA *** Mode change "+o tirel" on channel #GNAA by goat-see *JesuitX*      <JesuitX>       how do you give humanity a choice when the elite few decide +what is allowed in the media and what is not? *** Signoff: Popeye (Remote host closed the connection) <Pi> tirel: don't do that while we're having a conversation there is a god too improv: the problem isn't gods being real, but the concept of gods *JesuitX* since you're about as receptive as an autistic child <Pi> wow *JesuitX* i will issue this one and final warning <Pi> I love this place *JesuitX* do not fuck with the GNAA tirel: "your cock" does not count as a god!!!11 i'm not going to fucking prove it to you faggots here, but i personally believe in +a god therefore there is one. qed *** Mode change "+l 62" on channel #GNAA by goat-see <Pi> it goes from "stop fucking with our wikipedia entry" to "god does/does not exist" *JesuitX*> I am not trying to fuck with you, I'm just trying to do what seems right. GOD WOULD WANT THE GNAA TO STAY ON WIKIPEDIA IF HE EXISTED, WHICH HE DOESN'T <Impi> GOD EXISTS <Impi> AND OWNS U ALL pi it's hilarious when you try to have any kind of serious discussions here *JesuitX* well, maybe you should consider wikipedia is not about what's right, but what's +true I FUCK YR MOM EVERY NIGHT lol @ Improv trying to philosophically rationalize censorship its so fucking funn because you know full well you can't *JesuitX* your opinion isn't meaningful enough to alter a public website > I am not going to push Trotskyism on you here. Better things to do *JesuitX* nobody's is did improve get klined yet? no improv: i don't know why people try to rationalize methods <Pi> we shouldn't cross-server kill *JesuitX*> It's a group effort. improv: trotskyism? oof, well, that explains your political bias <Pi> let's just ban him once he runs out of steam i think that's all we need to do to make a counterargument > Do you want me to leave? If you do, just say so. *JesuitX* and the GROUP decided NOT to delete hte site a long time ago <Impi> Improv: no-one here cares what you think or do... how about you fuck off Pi: i wouldn't ban him he just handed us the keys to the kingdom wtf does trotsky have to do with your desire to censor a particular group you +dont like? *JesuitX* so why can't you accept this group-dynamic you believe in so much? Improv, PLEASE JUST ADMIT YOU ARE A COMPLETE TOOL pbird: trotskyites deplore certain aspects of individualism WAIT don't waste your time insulting him who cares, he just hates the GNAA <Pi> heh this isn't about philosophy HEY I HAVE THIS IDEA: HOW ABOUT WE JUST BAN HIM this is an ideological disagreement and can be explained as such its about his personal grudge > I don't care about the GNAA. <JesuitX> penisbird, pi, secret channel bullshit you targeted the GNAA pbird: well, except that his philosophy is one that deplores things "like" the +GNAA i agree > I have no grudge against it. Look at my VfD history. improv, you targetted the GNAA improv: nothing of those hit your filter > I vote to delete things I think should be deleted. *JesuitX* well? your ideological offense-space improv: so you say *JesuitX* can you at least attempt to answer me? Improv, why would you bother to delete something if you didn't care. it's easy to just say that *JesuitX*> Sorry, too many conversations at once and the trotskyism....? that doesn't factor AT ALL in your judgment? > reubkg: Because I care about the good of the encyclopedia it would in mine *JesuitX* well stick to this one then improv: define "good" and "encyclopedia" *JesuitX* please tell me, if you believe in groupthink so much <Impi> Improv: http://www.dachte.org/ nice mugshot <Pi> Improv: I am still staggered as to how you could have ignored the last 2 votes for +deletion we come back to that disagreement *JesuitX* why cant you accept the previous decision not to delete the article? *JesuitX*> Could you conciselly repeat the question? <malkav_> improv you are a total jew > Pi: There is no consensus that VfD should not be repeated Improv, what effect does the entry have on the overall quality of Wikipedia? *JesuitX* am i not lucid enough for you? how about making a channel called #gnaaphilosophy where can we discuss this and +leave this channel to senseless flooding and bashing like it has always been? > malkav: I've dated jews, but I am not one how about making a channel called #gnaaphilosophy where can we discuss this and +leave this channel to senseless flooding and bashing like it has always been? *JesuitX* my god I vote to delete Improv. *JesuitX* you said yourself I dont like his nick/hostname/username/ircname *JesuitX* it's a group effort GOOD IDEA TIREL *JesuitX* and before, when the site was on VFD *JesuitX*> Oh, you might be making sense, I just missed it -- too much conversation <Pi> Improv: barring all else, philosoph, god, all that other fucking bullshit, how the +fuck can you miss the article being voted on twice, re list it again, withthe same fucking +failed argument as last time? *JesuitX* the GROUP (wikipedia's community) decided not to delete the article > Pi: Because that's the way Wikipedia works *JesuitX* this is exactly what you say you believe in *JesuitX* and good for you, because i believe in it too <malkav_> JEW LOER > The group can think about it, chew on it more than once. <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> JEW LOVER <malkav_> KILL THE SPY| *JesuitX* but by trying again and again to get the article delted <malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!! "Describe some significant differences Buddhism and Hinduism" <malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!! *JesuitX* you're going AGAINST that idea <malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!! <malkav_> KILL THE SPY!!!!!! *** Mode change "+v Improv" on channel #GNAA by Pi <malkav_> SPY <malkav_> SPY <malkav_> SPY *** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi <malkav_> SPY > Yes, I've loved someone who is Jewish. *** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi *** Mode change "-vo malkav_ malkav_" on channel #GNAA by Pi *JesuitX* you're making a contradiction to your own belief WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY WHY ARE YOU RATIONALIZING WITH THE ENEMY improv: me too Improv, how many times do you need to do this before it is settled? *** Mode change "+m" on channel #GNAA by Pi *** Mode change "-vo tirel tirel" on channel #GNAA by Pi *** Mode change "-o goat-see" on channel #GNAA by Pi *** malkav_ is now known as plz2plusv improv: let's talk about hinduism and buddhism *** plz2plusv is now known as plz2plusv1 *** plz2plusv1 is now known as plz2plusv2 *** Mode change "+b *!*GNAA@*.kc.rr.com" on channel #GNAA by Pi *** plz2plusv2 has been kicked off channel #GNAA by Pi (plz2plusv2) > gasjews: We can talk about that some other time. improv: it relates to this > reubkg: It's never settled. Wikipedia is always up to reconsider everything. <Impi> getting to know uuuuuu improv: besides, you are now here, and i would not normally seek you out <Impi> getting to know allllll about uuuuuuuuuuu <Impi> gettign to like uuuuuuuuuuuu impi: are you a GMAD? if so, ASL? <Impi> getting you to like meeeeeee <Impi> shut up fuckface Improv, would it be okay if I added every page in Wikipedia to VfD then? <Impi> im singing > I don't speak American Sign Language, no <Impi> speak sign laguage? *** Pi is now known as HAL9000 *JesuitX* can you please explain how you feel it is right? improv: i was asking Impi if he was a GMAD, and if so, where he was and what his +age was > Oh, Age, Sex, Location <HAL9000> This conversation can serve no useful purpose. <HAL9000> Goodbye, dave improv: if you don't know what a GMAD is, try www.gmad.org > 26, Male, Pittsburgh pittsburgh! <Impi> omgomgomgomg <Impi> i also like in Pittsburgh are you a grad student? *** Mode change "+b *!*pgunn@128.237.232.*" on channel #GNAA by HAL9000 *** You have been kicked off channel #GNAA by HAL9000 (Goodbye, dave.) *** #GNAA :Cannot join channel (+b) (You are banned) ./wikipedia.pl if you set up a database of groups that oppose each other, e.g. Indians                 Pakistanis Jews                     National Socialists if you could make "justified" complaints on behalf of each against the other heh <Impi> man why did u ban the toy delete half of wiki <Impi> god damn fuck <Pi> Improv: behave or i'll have a k-line placed kthx gasjews shhhh the spy is back > Well, it was fun. If you do want to chat, on AIM I'm dachte000, or in email, I'm +pgunn@dachte.org <JesuitX> pi <JesuitX> dont kline <JesuitX> i think Improv is capable of listening to reason > No need to k-line, I'm leaving. <Impi> we know who you are <JesuitX> not to mention *JesuitX* just now <Pi> Improv: have fun in your dream world, neo. <Impi> now run along improv: thanks for coming to discuss *JesuitX* know* > I don't like being kicked. I don't stick around afterwards. > BYe improv: best of luck *JesuitX* if you walk away from this without explaining yourself *** Improv has left channel #GNAA *JesuitX* war is declared *JesuitX* well *JesuitX* that did it *JesuitX*> When you kick, what do you expect? *JesuitX* I hereby declare war on you on behalf of the Gay Nigger Association of America *JesuitX*> You want I should just keep coming back and being kicked again and again? *JesuitX* i want you should understand how you are contradicting yourself, and leave the +GNAA article alone *JesuitX*> I believe the GNAA article is not encyclopedic *JesuitX* but OTHERS believe it IS *JesuitX* hence, it didnt get deleted BEFORE *JesuitX*> And that's the joy of the democratic process *JesuitX*> We can re-vote anytime *JesuitX*> And keep considering it whenever people are interested. *JesuitX*> That's the way Wikipedia works. *JesuitX* yeah, and then you can't have a good article *JesuitX* because all of the time spent on it is spent voting whether tod elete it or keep +it *JesuitX* democracy involves compromise *JesuitX* and sticking to decisions *JesuitX* otherwise you have anarchy *JesuitX*> That's not the way wikipedia works *JesuitX*> Our decisions are always open to reevaluation *JesuitX* yes, under the assumption that people will respect groups' decisions *JesuitX* which is something you apparently cannot do *JesuitX*> I am respecting the decisions *JesuitX*> I am inviting new ones instead of deleting the page outright. That's what it +means to respect the decisions *JesuitX*> I'm following the process. *JesuitX* you're not listening to me, my point is that a big part of keeping the site in +good working order is to respect others' decisions *Pi* hi *JesuitX* the community didnt want the article deleted *JesuitX* and that was fine *JesuitX*> I am respecting their decisions *Pi*> hi *JesuitX* wrong *JesuitX* you disprespect it *Pi* You were looking for goat-see? *JesuitX*> The way to do that is to follow the process *JesuitX* because if it gets voted to be jkept again *JesuitX* you're just going to redo it *JesuitX* and you're going to keep doing it, until it gets deleted *Pi*> I was, but I just wanted to have a conversation w/ some folks, present my side *JesuitX*> Nah, I won't redo it myself *Pi* I am goat-see *JesuitX*> Ahh, I presume you know who I am *JesuitX*> Oops *JesuitX*> Wrong conversation *Pi* I keep the nickname Pi on the irc network out of long tradition, since way before I +joined the GNAA. *Pi*> Ahh, I presume you know who I am *JesuitX*> Talking with goat-see *** Ending conversation with JesuitX *** Starting conversation with Pi *Pi* yes, I do. *Pi*> Well, I just thought I'd pop in and express my side to a few folk *Pi*> Not sure if there's much else left to say. *Pi* You're welcome back in #GNAA, but I'm not up to hearing hours of bitching and am +fairly quick to ban to make everyone shut up. *Pi*> Oh, it's ok -- I wasn't anticipating returning -- was just a onetime visit *Pi* What so bothered you about getting banned? *Pi*> I just, as a rule, don't hang around long after being kicked *Pi*> I've been using IRC for a long time -- old habit *Pi* I'm also quite interested in how you could have seen the 2 previos VfDs and listed it +anyway. The conclusion for the past 2 times was to keep, and the only reason this one is +failing is because people are just too bored of it to vote for keep, except for the +vehement anti-gnaa people who have just now started to sock-pppet. *Impi*> I work at CMU *Pi*> I am not anti-gnaa, I just don't think the article should be kept *Pi* the article was fine enough to keep the past two times *Pi* did you just not notice that? *Pi*> I have never sockpuppeted, nor encouraged such things *Pi*> Many, perhaps most of the votes came from GNAA members *Pi* a chunk of them *did*, i'm not denying that. *Pi* Also, a good portion did not *Pi*> In any case, the community is always free to change its mind *Pi* after 3 weeks? *Pi*> And I will not, myself, ever propose its deletion again (although I will likely vote +yes on other peoples attempts) *Pi*> I was unaware that it had been only 3 weeks, indeed, that it had ever been VfD'd +before, before I already had begun the process. *Pi*> Although given that I think it should be deleted, I continued even after I noticed *Pi*> I take it you approve of the efforts to hack my blog and deface my user page on +wikipedia? *Pi* I am currently taking no stance on your blog or wikipedia user page. *Pi*> Okie. Probably wise. *Pi* I just think you're thick skinned to have seen both VfDs and listed it anyway. *Pi* I wouldn't have had the bloodymindedness *Pi*> I care about what I see as the good of Wikipedia *Pi* And getting an article about a real organization deleted is good? *Pi*> I also vote to delete elementary schools *Pi*> Not everything belongs in an encyclopedia *Impi* I work for money *Pi*> Look at my VfD history -- you'll find a consistant philosophy for when I vote to +delete. I have no particular grudge against your group. *Pi* A grudge you may not have, but the fact remains *Pi* the community decided to keep it. twice. *Pi*> And I am opening the topic for reconsideration. That's kosher by the rules. *Pi* You are aware that this is a futile effort and that the article is going to end up +kept, and the book rules which you adhere so closely to will end up being modified as a +result of this. *Pi* I think a quote from Bushwhacked illustrates this point quite clearly: "If the manual +told you to stick your weiner in a light socket, would you do it?" *Pi* sometimes common sense has to win out over rules. *Pi*> I'm doing what I feel is right for the community, and it's in alignment with the +rules. The consequences don't matter so much, and I am not so sure it will survive VfD +again. *Pi* The other admins and editors seem to think that it's far too early for the article to +have been relisted. Your feelings of what's right for the community aren't even the +community's feelings. *Pi*> I am part of the community -- my feelings are part of theirs *Pi*> There are several who approve. *Pi* Funny, the only editor I see approving was The Anome, who, in a complete break of +process, speedy-deleted the article and locked it as a redirect to Slashdot Trolling +Phenomena. *Pi* that was the first VfD incident *Pi*> Ambi approves *Pi*> 1 sec, going down the line *Pi*> anthony *Pi*> Well, he kinda waffles *Pi* Anthony doesn't mention the article at all *Pi*> He talks about general policy *Pi* he is talking about the VfD process and how you relisted it. *Pi* Also, i've tried to keep a good point of view on the article *Pi*> FireStar also *Pi*> *shrug* *Pi*> It's a disputed call. So it goes. *Pi* WRONG BITCH *Pi*> Why do you need to be non-civil? *Pi* hes' contesting your listing of the article *Pi*> Childish insults don't help anything. *Pi* okay. So two editors think the article should go, instead of one. *Pi*> There are several people voting for delete. *Pi* I did notice that *Pi* I also notice they list no reasoning *Pi*> When they list no reasoning, it's generally because they agree with the proposal's +given reasons. *Pi* The ones that do are either "I voted fordeletion on the last time, so i'm going to be +stubborn and list it again" or come up with the same old "non encyclopedic vanity entry" +crap *Pi* If it were a vanity entry, it would say "COME JOIN GNAA!! WE'RE THE BEST!!" *Pi* Does it do that? *Pi*> That's what it is. A non-encyclopedic vanity entry that doesn't meet Wikipedia's +standards for notability. *Pi* No. It lists the facts in a fairly objective manner. *Pi* no, it's not. The article was decided to be a non-vanity entry both previous VfD events *Pi*> It's still blatantly vanity, even if it is not as self-aggrandizing as it could be *Pi*> And it is open for redecision. *Pi*> All such decisions are open for reexamination. That's the way things work on Wikipedia *Pi* If the issue had changed, I would agree with you more *Pi* but the article went mostly unchanged between the two votes *Pi*> Doesn't matter. *Pi* I added some crap about rolloffle, but if that were too much, it should have been +reverted *Pi* Oh? It doesn't? *Pi* Relisting the *same article* on deletion request just doesn't make sense. *Pi*> No. The people can reexamine the decision at any time w/o the page being changed. *Pi*> It's the way the Wikipedia democracy works. *Pi* Is the consensus going to be any different if the page is the same? *Pi*> Yes. *Pi*> Different people vote. *Pi*> I, for example, was not around for the first vote. *Pi* Pity. *Pi*> Anyhow, I'm heading off now -- need to focus on my fMRI analysis *Pi* Have fun *Pi* You are aware that this conversation was pasted to #GNAA, corret? *Pi*> Ahh, no, but it doesn't matter. *Pi* Ok. *** Pi is pi@is.irrational (Yakov Smirnoff) *** on channels: #brained @#goatse #goatsecx @#epsilon *** on irc via server irc.gnaa.us (gnaa > j00 fristage postage is mine) *** Pi is an IRC Operator *** Pi : End of /WHOIS list. *Pi* Have fun. *Pi*> Have a nice day. *Pi* YHBT. *Pi* YHL HAND. *Pi*> Actually, I may post this somewhere too, although your part isn't at all objectionable *Pi* on your blog? LOL. *Pi*> JesuitX has made a few suggestions that might be worth making visible. *Pi*> Possibly, although more likely on Wikipedia itself. *Pi*> Anyhow, be well. *Pi* Okay. *Pi*> Laters *** Ending conversation with Pi *Pi* See you around.