User:Instantnood/RFAr

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Request for assistance or mediation
As mentioned in my statement at WP:AFAr, this is a content dispute. I would like to request for possible assistance or mediation to have the problem solved, and I will appreciate. In the meanwhile, I will try to avoid getting in any new trouble with SchmuckyTheCat. &mdash; Instantnood 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Information below provide valuable evidence and other related materials of this dispute. &mdash; Instantnood 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Ongoing discussions
(Note: this list will be updated from time to time)
 * Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV
 * Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV
 * Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV
 * Categories for deletion/unresolved_China
 * Categories for deletion/unresolved_China
 * Categories for deletion/unresolved_China &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Category talk:Culture of the People's Republic of China
 * Categories for deletion
 * Categories for deletion/unresolved China
 * Categories for deletion &mdash; Instantnood 09:52, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Update on Mar 29
SchmuckyTheCat is She/he has also been moving around articles
 * depopulating category:Laws of mainland China while the discussion at WP:CFD has not been closed.
 * from category:Political parties in mainland China to category:Political parties in the People's Republic of China, and
 * from category:Youth wings of political parties of mainland China to category:Youth wings of Chinese political parties.
 * The list of airports in Mainland China was moved to list of airports in the People's Republic of China, and
 * list of political parties in mainland China to list of political parties in the People's Republic of China. &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

(Note: the lists below will be updated from time to time)

Changing titles

 * Elections in mainland China moved to Elections in the People's Republic of China #1
 * Elections in mainland China moved to Elections in the People's Republic of China #2
 * List of political parties in mainland China moved to List of political parties in the People's Republic of China #1
 * List of political parties in mainland China moved to List of political parties in the People's Republic of China #2
 * Talk:List of airports in mainland China (his comment)
 * Talk:List of airports in the People's Republic of China (his comment)
 * List of airports in mainland China moved to List of airports in the People's Republic of China #1
 * List of airports in mainland China moved to List of airports in the People's Republic of China #2 &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Depopulating categories
category:Laws of mainland China
 * Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China
 * Category:Chinese numbered policies
 * People's Republic of China's trademark law
 * Hukou
 * Anti-Secession Law of the People's Republic of China &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

category:Elections in mainland China
 * Category:Elections in mainland China (category pseudo-deleted)
 * Elections in mainland China (retitled by SchmuckyTheCat already) &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

category:Political parties in mainland China
 * Category:Political parties in mainland China (category pseudo-deleted)
 * Communist Party of China
 * Inner Mongolian People's Party
 * Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

category:Youth wings of political parties of mainland China
 * Category:Youth wings of political parties of mainland China (adding to speedy deletion)
 * Communist Youth League &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

category:Airports of mainland China
 * Category:Airports of mainland China (changed to redirect)
 * List of airports in mainland China (retitled by SchmuckyTheCat already)
 * Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Other edits

 * Template:Politics of the People's Republic of China (adding category) &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Did not respect poll result

 * Sar
 * SAR &mdash; Instantnood 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Not sticking with naming conventions regarding political NPOV
This series of edits (economy of the People's Republic of China), this edit (Chinese federalism) and this edit (Capital punishment in the People's Republic of China) by SchmuckyTheCat seems clearly not following the naming conventions. He replaced all references to "mainland China" with "China", effectively equating the two terms.

In this edit (Tian Tan Buddha), she/he's implying Taiwan not part of China, which is not a NPOV.

Changing titles
By the way, she/he's been moving list of companies in the People's Republic of China to list of companies in mainland China (at 01:41 Apr 2). I have moved it back just now.
 * Update: List of companies in mainland China is moved to list of companies in the People's Republic of China again, at 16:19, Apr 2. &mdash; Instantnood 16:31, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

She/he moved
 * communications in mainland China to communications in the People's Republic of China (at 20:58, Apr 1),
 * media in China to media in the People's Republic of China (at 20:36, Apr 1),
 * Internet in China to Internet in the Peope's Republic of China (at 20:45, Apr 1),
 * media in China to media in the People's Republic of China (at 20:47, Apr 1),
 * capital punishment in mainland China to capital punishment in the People's Republic of China (at 20:35, Apr 1)
 * cinema of mainland China to cinema of the People's Republic of China (at 19:42, Apr 1)

Moving articles between categories
She/he moved the following articles from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China
 * Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (at 20:30, Apr 1)
 * People's Bank of China (at 20:29, Apr 1)
 * Civil service of the People's Republic of China (at 19:27, Apr 1)

She/he has rewritten the PICC article, and she/he's also getting into trouble with Ran with Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China (see its discussion page). &mdash; Instantnood 08:23, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Depopulating categories
Update: SchmuckyTheCat kept depopulating category:Laws of mainland China, despite the words " Please do not remove this notice or empty the category while the question is being considered. " on the CFD template. The articles and categories being taken off from this category include:
 * Intellectual property in the People's Republic of China (diff)
 * Anti-Secession Law of the People's Republic of China (diff #1, #2, #3, #4, #5)
 * Hukou (diff #1, #2, #3, #4)
 * Category:Chinese numbered policies (diff #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
 * Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China (diff #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
 * People's Republic of China's trademark law (diff #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6)

She/he has also removed Ping An of China and PICC from category:Insurance companies of mainland China, despite an earlier decision at WP:CFD.

Moving articles between categories
Further, she/he has set up category:Culture of the People's Republic of China, and moved Chinese house church from category:Culture of mainland China to it.

See also the discussion at category talk:Culture of the People's Republic of China. &mdash; Instantnood 09:20, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Changing titles

 * Internet in China to Internet in the People's Republic of China (at 20:45, Apr 1, 2005)
 * Police in mainland China to Police in the People's Republic of China (at 15:03, Apr 5, 2005)

Moving articles between categories

 * Xinhua News Agency (from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China)
 * China News Service (from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China)
 * Ministry of Finance of the People's Republic of China (from category:Economy of mainland China to category:Economy of the People's Republic of China)

Populating disputed categories
Category:Laws of the People's Republic of China Category:Companies of the People's Republic of China
 * Law of the People's Republic of China
 * Administrative Litigation Law of the People's Republic of China
 * Custody and repatriation
 * National Judicial Exam
 * Traditional Chinese law (see also User talk:SchmuckyTheCat)
 * Norinco

New categories and populating new categories
Category:Religion in the People's Republic of China (created at 01:39, Apr 6, 2005) Category:Internet in the People's Republic of China (created at 01:03, Apr 6, 2005) Category:Culture of the People's Republic of China (created at 21:45, Apr 4, 2005) (see also category talk:Culture of the People's Republic of China)
 * Three-Self Patriotic Movement (moved from category:Religion in mainland China)
 * Chinese house church (moved from category:Religion in mainland China)
 * Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association (moved from category:Religion in mainland China)
 * Religion in China (moved from category:Religion in China)
 * Hui pan-nationalism
 * Brother Yun
 * Big mama
 * Strong Nation Forum
 * Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China
 * Internet in the People's Republic of China
 * China Youth Network Civilization Convention
 * List of words blocked by the Chinese government
 * Discipline Inspection Commission of the Communist Party of China
 * Han chauvinism
 * May Fourth Movement
 * Image:Cultrev.jpg
 * Chinese nationalism
 * Culture of Communist China
 * Maoism

New categories and populating new categories
Category:Religion in the People's Republic of China
 * Protestantism in China

Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"

 * CITIC
 * Kelly Chen
 * Economy of Benin
 * Economy of Madagascar
 * List of cemeteries
 * List of countries by rail transport network size
 * List of straits
 * List of mathematicians
 * Time zone

Changing the format of presentation of mainland China and Hong Kong
&mdash; Instantnood 06:59, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * List of railway companies
 * List of railway stations

Forcing inclusion of Hong Kong and Macao to mainland China-related articles
&mdash; Instantnood 22:37, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * List of airports in mainland China was moved to List of airports in the People's Republic of China at 04:58, 29 Mar 2005 by SchmuckyTheCat. Huaiwei added airports of Hong Kong and Macao onto the list.
 * Economy of China (with the note at the top stating the article is about economy of mainland China) was moved to Economy of the People's Republic of China at 01:03, 2 Apr 2005 by SchmuckyTheCat. Huaiwei added (and SchmuckyTheCat slightly revised a bit after that) the economies of Hong Kong and Macao.

Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"

 * Economy of Asia
 * Pacific Rim
 * List of countries and territories by current account balance
 * List of countries and territories by reserves of foreign exchange and gold
 * List of companies in the People's Republic of China (moved from list of companies in mainland China at 16:19, Apr 2, 2005 by SchmuckyTheCat)
 * Economy of Germany
 * Economy of the Democratic Republic of the Congo
 * Walnut, California
 * San Gabriel, California
 * Chinatown in Latin America
 * Economy of Togo
 * Economy of Sudan
 * Economy of Seychelles
 * Economy of South Korea
 * Economy of Myanmar
 * Economy of Mauritius
 * Economy of Laos

Moving articles between categories
&mdash; Instantnood 21:28, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Special economic zone of the People's Republic of China (from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China, and from category:Economy of mainland China to category:Economy of the People's Republic of China)
 * Chinese ecnomic reform (from category:Mainland China to category:People's Republic of China, and from category:Economy of mainland China to category:Economy of the People's Republic of China)
 * Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement (from category:Economy of mainland China to category:Economy of the People's Republic of China)
 * List of companies in the People's Republic of China (moved from category:Companies of mainland China to category:Companies of the People's Republic of China)

Changing the content from "mainland China" to "China" or "PRC"
&mdash; Instantnood 17:15, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * List of collages and universities by country (took off the words "mainland China")
 * East China Sea (effectively implying Taiwan not part of China)

My response to Requests for arbitration/Instantnood/Evidence
It is nice that SchmuckyTheCat has listed everything out in such a detailed manner. The previous RFC on myself provides precious comments from other users regarding my actions on Wikipedia.

In fact, most of the conflicts between SchmuckyTheCat and I are around the use of "mainland China", and Hong Kong-related topics. &mdash; Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Over the use of "mainland China"
Regarding " Instantnood created the category "Laws of mainland China". He began moving some articles to it, in spite of the concensus not to, and began creating new articles to populate it instead of populating Laws of the People's Republic of China. "

I have never created any articles on laws of the PRC/laws of mainland China. The only new article I have created, Shenzhen Airport, was created upon a request from Fbriere. List of airports in Mainland China (the original title before being moved by SchmuckyTheCat) was created by Caiqian. What I did was categorised it.

At category talk:Airports of mainland China I have made my position clear, that is, the previous poll at WP:CFD regarding category:Airports of the PRC does not apply.

COSCO is a TNC. It has operations in many countries. Are we going to categorised it according to the place of its incorporation, or categorised it to every single place it has business? It is pretty clear that it is a company from mainland China.

Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China, despite its official title, is only valid, applied and applicable within mainland China. I made a mistake and moved it for I did not acknowledge the title of the article is in fact the title of the law. Jiang told me at talk:Road Traffic Safety Law of the People's Republic of China, and I agree with it. I am pretty sure Jiang would agree that this law is a law within mainland China.

Furthermore, "Category:..of mainland China" and "category:..of the PRC" are not parallel structures. Mainland China &#8800; People's Republic of China. The categories for mainland China that I have created are subcategory of the PRC categories.

Like many other matters, administration of country parks is the business of the Hong Kong Government. Country parks in Hong Kong are not the national parks of the PRC. Adding country parks in Hong Kong to list of national parks of the People's Republic of China is obviously inappropriate and irrelevant, and the act has revealed she/he is either unfamiliar with the situation, or putting forward her/his hidden agenda. Indeed, she/he avoided (by saying "What?") my question twice at talk:99 Ranch Market. &mdash; Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding "  He also gamed it, the initial proposal was a discussion, not a poll. So when, two weeks later, he decided to make it a poll, those objections "didn't count". "

I stated explicitly at the top of the section Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Discussion on "China"/"PRC" vs. "mainland China" that it was a discussion and was not a poll. If I were gaming it I didn't have to state it explicitly. &mdash; Instantnood 17:42, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Victoria City
At talk:Hong Kong, there was no consensus on whether Victoria City is Hong Kong's capital. This section between some anonymous users made no consensus. The other discussion section SchmuckyTheCat took part, has no consensus either. The so called consensus was between she/he and Huaiwei.

Throughout the discussion, I did admit Victoria City's status as the capital is not a formal one, but she/he and Huaiwei declined to accept its status as de facto, regardless of the fact that many different sources support it. I have attempted to add a sentence into the articles (Hong Kong and Victoria City) that its status is disputed, and they did not agree. They insisted any reference to it as the capital as to be removed entirely. &mdash; Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

3RR
I have made my position clear here that one of the revert was not actually a revert. And probably this is the only case which I have, arguably, violated the 3RR rule. &mdash; Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Minor edits
I don't think there's any problem for marking reverts as minor edit. No content has actually been changed from previous versions. Some sysops also mark reverts as minor edits when they're rolling back. Interestingly, SchmuckyTheCat did request Jiang to stop marking reverts as minor edits. &mdash; Instantnood 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)